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DanneJeRusse
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8/31/2015 12:16:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

Center for the Study of Global Christianity

LOL. Yeah, those guys are trustworthy.
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8/31/2015 12:25:34 AM
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At 8/31/2015 12:16:24 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

Center for the Study of Global Christianity

LOL. Yeah, those guys are trustworthy.

That doesn't make their point invalid. The global south is pumping out christians like there's no tomorrow and atheists have pitifully low birth rates (With muslims and evangelicals ranking in the highest) and low retention rates.
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8/31/2015 12:38:16 AM
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Generally atheism is slowly rising in most but not all parts of the world. I am fortunate enough to live in one of the least religious places in the world. Most people in Powys, Wales, UK are non religious or athiest, It seems incredible how most other areas of the world are still 80% religious
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8/31/2015 12:39:02 AM
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At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

How is that good to see?
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8/31/2015 12:41:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2015 12:39:02 AM, difference wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

How is that good to see?

I'm a fundamentalist christian...
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8/31/2015 12:42:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2015 12:38:16 AM, beng100 wrote:
Generally atheism is slowly rising in most but not all parts of the world. I am fortunate enough to live in one of the least religious places in the world. Most people in Powys, Wales, UK are non religious or athiest, It seems incredible how most other areas of the world are still 80% religious

I'm not that far from wales (Only in Plymouth) and can confirm that many are irreligious in our country. Hopefully I might help to change that (street preaching).
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8/31/2015 1:00:11 AM
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At 8/31/2015 12:42:57 AM, Mobutu wrote:

I'm not that far from wales (Only in Plymouth) and can confirm that many are irreligious in our country. Hopefully I might help to change that (street preaching).
Keep up the good work. Takes some guts to street preach.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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8/31/2015 1:15:46 AM
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At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.
Thank you, Mobutu for a transparently independent study of religion by the... uh... Center for the Study of Global Christianity, housed in the Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, a school of -- you guessed it -- evangelical denomination -- a denomination known of course for its abundant love of atheists. Gordon-Conwell headlines its institutional faith statements with this doozy:

The sixty-six canonical books of the Bible as originally written were inspired of God, hence free from error. They constitute the only infallible guide in faith and practice. [http://www.gordonconwell.edu...]

Gotcha! Down with empiricism then, eh? Out with any statistical methodologies not pioneered by Moses too, I expect.

There are no prizes for guessing the position of this impartial and erudite institution on evolution in its Christian Apologetics course. [http://www.gordonconwell.edu...] I imagine its demographic science is of comparable calibre to its biology, with independence attested by the impartial way it considers the risk of child sex abuse cross Christian denominations. [http://www.christianitytoday.com...]

In short, I wouldn't be looking for a Nobel Prize in sociology awarded to this joint any time soon, Mobutu. My suggestion: consult Pew or some other transparent, reputable and independent religious survey group.
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8/31/2015 1:30:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/31/2015 1:00:11 AM, tstor wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:42:57 AM, Mobutu wrote:

I'm not that far from wales (Only in Plymouth) and can confirm that many are irreligious in our country. Hopefully I might help to change that (street preaching).
Keep up the good work. Takes some guts to street preach.

I'm not doing it now although I would like to take it up in the future.
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8/31/2015 1:48:28 AM
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This statistic, if true, can be attributed to several factors:
-Low birth rates in countries which have large atheist populations (Europe, China, etc).
-High birth rates for Muslims.

The total number of atheists, however, will definitely grow. Most of this growth will be due to Christians (and, to a smaller extent, Muslims) abandoning their faith.
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8/31/2015 1:55:12 AM
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At 8/31/2015 1:48:28 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
This statistic, if true, can be attributed to several factors:
-Low birth rates in countries which have large atheist populations (Europe, China, etc).
-High birth rates for Muslims.

The total number of atheists, however, will definitely grow. Most of this growth will be due to Christians (and, to a smaller extent, Muslims) abandoning their faith.

Atheism is condemned to live it's days in Europe and North America. Atheists don't engage in any of the proselytizing that christians do in places like Latin America or Africa.
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8/31/2015 2:55:42 AM
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At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

Good news indeed!! But we all know it was only a matter of time. God has been showing Himself to more and more people over the past couple of Decades than ever before, since the times of the Hebrews and their Prophets. Science has felt the brunt of this and has gone backwards or been totally derailed in some of its aspects. (I have mentioned them before, with links, several times here so I wont go into detail now.) I don't need to! LOL.

Within our life time we will see Irrefutable proof of God. Oddly, it will be Science that finds him. Probably in QM or in Cosmology. (I am speaking of as far as atheists are concerned. Of course WE have already found God. Well, in my case he found me! LOL

More and more formerly atheistic men of science are turning to believe in God, as their materialistic modes of research hit the wall. Nobel Prize winner Francis Collins--the human genome guy, is only one example. Many MDs who work with aspects of the mind and Death Experiences have been converted. Evolutionists STILL cannot explain how life even BEGAN without a GOD! LOL. God drives Evolution, as he does DNA--in some cases. God is indeed in the details!! LOL. Science cant even tell ya how or why a protein folds into 3D to replicate! Say what??? You would be amazed at the basic things it cannot explain .(I have done posts on this too!)

They...like the Atheists of the world in general, are fast approaching the God Wall! LOL.

God Bless!!!
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8/31/2015 2:58:49 AM
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At 8/31/2015 12:16:24 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

Center for the Study of Global Christianity

LOL. Yeah, those guys are trustworthy.

Yeah they are.

So is CBS News! LOL.

How many is this? Five for me? LOL. Knocking your godless ego down a peg or two is one of my great joys here on DDO, Danger Mouse. I do this FOR your own good of course, since diminished ego is the prime necessity before being able to Know God!

Who, of course, blesses you--if you let him! God Bless.

http://www.cnsnews.com...
Tomorrow's forecast: God reigns and the Son shines!
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8/31/2015 3:15:06 AM
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I've just noticed that the report is over 2 years old.
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8/31/2015 3:37:36 AM
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At 8/31/2015 2:58:49 AM, August_Burns_Red wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:16:24 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

Center for the Study of Global Christianity

LOL. Yeah, those guys are trustworthy.

Yeah they are.

So is CBS News! LOL.

How many is this? Five for me?

Are you referring to how many time you've lied? Shown your monumental stupidity? Bored us with your inane life stories? Treated us to insults?

No, many, many more times for each of those. Five is usually on any given day, at least.a

You must be proud of yourself.

LOL. Knocking your godless ego down a peg or two is one of my great joys here on DDO, Danger Mouse. I do this FOR your own good of course, since diminished ego is the prime necessity before being able to Know God!

Who, of course, blesses you--if you let him! God Bless.

http://www.cnsnews.com...
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a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
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8/31/2015 4:51:22 AM
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It appears that Christianity is dying too... Their birth rates aren't as high as the Muslims so they must be dying off.

Anyway the primary source of atheists who are born to Christian families and are converted. Atheism is less than a hundred years old. Even on an exponential growth curve they wouldn't be far. Birth is not the source of religious numbers though. Atheism isn't information available at birth and neither is Christianity.
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8/31/2015 10:04:19 AM
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At 8/31/2015 4:51:22 AM, glory_lyfe wrote:
It appears that Christianity is dying too... Their birth rates aren't as high as the Muslims so they must be dying off.

Anyway the primary source of atheists who are born to Christian families and are converted. Atheism is less than a hundred years old. Even on an exponential growth curve they wouldn't be far. Birth is not the source of religious numbers though. Atheism isn't information available at birth and neither is Christianity.

Christianity certainly isn't dying in places like Africa. According to Al-Jazeera 6 million Muslims roughly convert to Christ every year. Also muslim birth rates are declining rapidly (although they're still high).
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8/31/2015 10:07:56 AM
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At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

thats a joke....
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8/31/2015 10:17:10 AM
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At 8/31/2015 10:07:56 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

thats a joke....
Most atheists hold on to the "folk logic" that you can't prove a negative. Well, if you claim you are an atheist because you "lack a belief in any gods", you can't prove you're an atheist because lacking a belief is a negative claim.
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8/31/2015 10:32:10 AM
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At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

I am not so sure.

I see evidence of the opposite, and feel that maybe it is like a bubble, which will keep growing until Jehovah steps in and bursts it.

Of course I could be wrong, because whilst this thought is based on scripture, it is only very loosely based on it.

Not all faiths are dying out though, the two most strongly opposed are both growing, which is an interesting situation in itself.
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8/31/2015 11:49:40 AM
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At 8/31/2015 12:25:34 AM, Mobutu wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:16:24 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

Center for the Study of Global Christianity

LOL. Yeah, those guys are trustworthy.

That doesn't make their point invalid. The global south is pumping out christians like there's no tomorrow and atheists have pitifully low birth rates (With muslims and evangelicals ranking in the highest) and low retention rates.

"That doesn't make their point invalid. The global south is pumping out christians like there's no tomorrow and atheists have pitifully low birth rates (With muslims and evangelicals ranking in the highest) and low retention rates."

Are these actual scientific statistics? You imply that religious people are popping kids out left and right, and that nonreligious people are not having children. You also imply that it matters to most nonreligious that they're out numbered by theists. Is it possible that most athiests wouldn't give two beans to share their lack of interest in religious matters? No interest means just that.

Religious statistics are based on the opinions of those who care enough about their convictions, or lack there of, to even comment. So, it stands to reason that most nonreligious people have better things to do than to argue something that is of no consequence to them.
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8/31/2015 12:20:59 PM
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At 8/31/2015 10:32:10 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

I am not so sure.

I see evidence of the opposite, and feel that maybe it is like a bubble, which will keep growing until Jehovah steps in and bursts it.

Of course I could be wrong, because whilst this thought is based on scripture, it is only very loosely based on it.

Not all faiths are dying out though, the two most strongly opposed are both growing, which is an interesting situation in itself.
The faith is mostly dying in the western democracies (like England) among the whites. However immigrant communities (like the evangelical Africans and the Catholic Poles) are keeping numbers stable here. Meanwhile in the global south Evangelical Christianity is booming, so much so Islam is being displaced.
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8/31/2015 1:11:45 PM
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At 8/31/2015 12:41:30 AM, Mobutu wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:39:02 AM, difference wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

How is that good to see?

I'm a fundamentalist christian...

And yet you are not aware of one of the most fundamental teachings of Christianity?
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8/31/2015 1:12:15 PM
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At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

If there is a silver lining in the news for atheists is they remain both mentally healthier and less likely to engage in criminal activity. Whereas 80% of convicts in federal prisons are Christians. Atheists make up less than 1 %
http://dailyatheistquote.blogspot.ca...

http://www.holysmoke.org...

American Psychological Association To Classify Belief in God As a Mental Illness

http://www.thenewsnerd.com...

Kathleen Taylor, Neuroscientist, Says Religious Fundamentalism Could Be Treated As A Mental Illness

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An Oxford University researcher and author specializing in neuroscience has suggested that one day religious fundamentalism may be treated as a curable mental illness.
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8/31/2015 1:19:07 PM
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At 8/31/2015 12:42:57 AM, Mobutu wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:38:16 AM, beng100 wrote:
Generally atheism is slowly rising in most but not all parts of the world. I am fortunate enough to live in one of the least religious places in the world. Most people in Powys, Wales, UK are non religious or athiest, It seems incredible how most other areas of the world are still 80% religious

I'm not that far from wales (Only in Plymouth) and can confirm that many are irreligious in our country. Hopefully I might help to change that (street preaching).

I'm even closer, living in darkest North Central Cornwall, lol.
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8/31/2015 1:21:16 PM
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At 8/31/2015 10:04:19 AM, Mobutu wrote:
At 8/31/2015 4:51:22 AM, glory_lyfe wrote:
It appears that Christianity is dying too... Their birth rates aren't as high as the Muslims so they must be dying off.

Anyway the primary source of atheists who are born to Christian families and are converted. Atheism is less than a hundred years old. Even on an exponential growth curve they wouldn't be far. Birth is not the source of religious numbers though. Atheism isn't information available at birth and neither is Christianity.

Christianity certainly isn't dying in places like Africa. According to Al-Jazeera 6 million Muslims roughly convert to Christ every year. Also muslim birth rates are declining rapidly (although they're still high).

Doesn't make any difference.

No-one is born Christian, it is something they have to learn to be as they grow and commit themselves to when old enough to make a conscious and informed decision.
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8/31/2015 1:26:05 PM
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At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

But evilutionists are raising. They use natural selection to kill christians and other religious people. Anyone that competes with them for any resource is instantly killed or relegated to miserable ecological niches where they slowly become extinct. They have kidnapped mainstream science and use it for their personal agenda. They don't even respect their close cousins (atheists) and they have infiltrated a lot of religious groups to destroy them from the inside (the pope is an evolutionist fyi).

Oh my poor fellow Christians, you were so busy fighting atheists! only for the underlying threat to spread and win enormous power! It is already too late to fight them! Pray and wait for your destination of oblivion, PRAY!
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8/31/2015 1:27:20 PM
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At 8/31/2015 12:20:59 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 8/31/2015 10:32:10 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 8/31/2015 12:02:07 AM, Mobutu wrote:
http://m.cnsnews.com... excellent. Good to see they're dying out. So much for atheism being the future.

I am not so sure.

I see evidence of the opposite, and feel that maybe it is like a bubble, which will keep growing until Jehovah steps in and bursts it.

Of course I could be wrong, because whilst this thought is based on scripture, it is only very loosely based on it.

Not all faiths are dying out though, the two most strongly opposed are both growing, which is an interesting situation in itself.
The faith is mostly dying in the western democracies (like England) among the whites. However immigrant communities (like the evangelical Africans and the Catholic Poles) are keeping numbers stable here. Meanwhile in the global south Evangelical Christianity is booming, so much so Islam is being displaced.

Ah, but how many of them are truly Christian?

How many worship the God that Christ worshiped, and the Apostles after him?

How many give due credit to The God that Christ worshiped for their salvation instead of to Christ himself, who is not the source of our salvation but simply the means by which it can be established, as the Apostles taught?

How many realist that, as Paul and the other Apostles taught, it is Jehovah we need to call on for salvation not Christ? Joel 2:32; Romans 10:13-15.

How many even know or use that holy name, the one Jesus made known to all his followers? John 17:6.