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Religion is humanities biggest problem

beng100
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9/3/2015 12:28:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Throughout human history religion was used to explain many things. Existence, purpose, meaning and many others. It provided answers to evolving humans who begun to develop the intelligence that animals do not possess, to question their existence and wonder why life exists. Religion has developed, changed and evolved as humanity has developed in the same way language, culture, race and intelligence has. Early religions practiced in ancient times were replaced by more modern, more recorded, more documented and greater followed religions such as today's abrahamic religions. Religion provided early humans a reason to survive, defend themselves and their culture. It gave them reason to go to war, to fight to the death. Humans believed fighting for their god would make them martyrs. It also gave them hope that death wouldent mean death and an afterlife exists. These factors were evolutionary advantages for early humans as religion gave them a reason to exist, something to fight for and something to turn to in hard times. It is deeply engrained in each human to instinctively look out for a type of religion to follow. Generally children learn and follow their parents religion, although generally more followed religions receive more converts from smaller or less followed one's. It is not natural for humans to be atheists, but factors such as atheist parents, secular education, secular culture and above average intelligence increase the likelihood of athiesm. It is impossible to eliminate religion as it is deeply engrained in humanity but governments need to marginalize it to improve the human races future. Realism is needed in the modern world, not outlandish fantasies, fiction and myths. Issues such as religious wars, religios violence, human rights, sexually transmitted diseases, overpopulation, gay rights, women's rights and terrorism are major problems for humanity. They are completely nneccessary. Reducing religion is key to solving these problems and creating a fairer more prosperous society.
Leugen9001
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9/3/2015 12:47:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Exactly! Christianity has been one of the most bigoted religions in the world. True Christians (TM) who drink the Kool aid do not see how flawed their religion is. Atheists are no more absurd than a-unicornists. The Bible says that insects have 4 legs and that pi is 3. True Christians (TM), however, ignore this fact and use apologetics (TM), also known as insane drivel, to cover things up.
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9/3/2015 12:53:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 12:28:30 AM, beng100 wrote:
Throughout human history religion was used to explain many things. Existence, purpose, meaning and many others. It provided answers to evolving humans who begun to develop the intelligence that animals do not possess, to question their existence and wonder why life exists. Religion has developed, changed and evolved as humanity has developed in the same way language, culture, race and intelligence has. Early religions practiced in ancient times were replaced by more modern, more recorded, more documented and greater followed religions such as today's abrahamic religions. Religion provided early humans a reason to survive, defend themselves and their culture. It gave them reason to go to war, to fight to the death. Humans believed fighting for their god would make them martyrs. It also gave them hope that death wouldent mean death and an afterlife exists. These factors were evolutionary advantages for early humans as religion gave them a reason to exist, something to fight for and something to turn to in hard times. It is deeply engrained in each human to instinctively look out for a type of religion to follow. Generally children learn and follow their parents religion, although generally more followed religions receive more converts from smaller or less followed one's. It is not natural for humans to be atheists, but factors such as atheist parents, secular education, secular culture and above average intelligence increase the likelihood of athiesm. It is impossible to eliminate religion as it is deeply engrained in humanity but governments need to marginalize it to improve the human races future. Realism is needed in the modern world, not outlandish fantasies, fiction and myths. Issues such as religious wars, religios violence, human rights, sexually transmitted diseases, overpopulation, gay rights, women's rights and terrorism are major problems for humanity. They are completely nneccessary. Reducing religion is key to solving these problems and creating a fairer more prosperous society.

Few issues: evolutionary changes don't occur for any particular reason. Evolution results in the survival of more species rather than less, but that result is completely unintended. Using evolution, an unembodied process, to explain *why* natural phenomena occurs, like the role of religion, is a mistake.

Secondly, making statements about how humanity ought to act is a meritless opinion unless humanity has inherent purpose, which ironically would require God's existence.
beng100
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9/3/2015 1:10:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I'm saying that religion is something developed by humans at some stage in the species early development, that obviously was an evolutionary advantage as it is still around today. I'm suggesting creating a less religious society to eliminate/ reduce the problems I stated in this post.

At 9/3/2015 12:53:00 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 9/3/2015 12:28:30 AM, beng100 wrote:
Throughout human history religion was used to explain many things. Existence, purpose, meaning and many others. It provided answers to evolving humans who begun to develop the intelligence that animals do not possess, to question their existence and wonder why life exists. Religion has developed, changed and evolved as humanity has developed in the same way language, culture, race and intelligence has. Early religions practiced in ancient times were replaced by more modern, more recorded, more documented and greater followed religions such as today's abrahamic religions. Religion provided early humans a reason to survive, defend themselves and their culture. It gave them reason to go to war, to fight to the death. Humans believed fighting for their god would make them martyrs. It also gave them hope that death wouldent mean death and an afterlife exists. These factors were evolutionary advantages for early humans as religion gave them a reason to exist, something to fight for and something to turn to in hard times. It is deeply engrained in each human to instinctively look out for a type of religion to follow. Generally children learn and follow their parents religion, although generally more followed religions receive more converts from smaller or less followed one's. It is not natural for humans to be atheists, but factors such as atheist parents, secular education, secular culture and above average intelligence increase the likelihood of athiesm. It is impossible to eliminate religion as it is deeply engrained in humanity but governments need to marginalize it to improve the human races future. Realism is needed in the modern world, not outlandish fantasies, fiction and myths. Issues such as religious wars, religios violence, human rights, sexually transmitted diseases, overpopulation, gay rights, women's rights and terrorism are major problems for humanity. They are completely nneccessary. Reducing religion is key to solving these problems and creating a fairer more prosperous society.

Few issues: evolutionary changes don't occur for any particular reason. Evolution results in the survival of more species rather than less, but that result is completely unintended. Using evolution, an unembodied process, to explain *why* natural phenomena occurs, like the role of religion, is a mistake.

Secondly, making statements about how humanity ought to act is a meritless opinion unless humanity has inherent purpose, which ironically would require God's existence.
RuvDraba
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9/3/2015 1:45:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 12:28:30 AM, beng100 wrote:
Issues such as religious wars, religios violence, human rights, sexually transmitted diseases, overpopulation, gay rights, women's rights and terrorism are major problems for humanity. They are completely nneccessary. Reducing religion is key to solving these problems and creating a fairer more prosperous society.

Our world benefits from empiricism, compassion and contested thought -- that's how we improve things for ourselves and our loved ones, our society and our species.

While religion claims to offer compassion, it is not necessary for compassion. Moreover, religion frequently contaminates thought with dogma, obscurity, superstition, and resistance to evidence, and evades accountability for its own demonstrable ignorance and error.

The key culprit for all these things is not religious hope or faith, but its theology. That is to say, its claims of authority through revelation -- typically revelations attributed to gods, but also attributed to demigods like prophets and saints. Reluctant to sacrifice their authority, religion frequently compromises on compassion, evidence and accountability just to maintain its claims of inspiration, the power of its clergy, and the influence of its dogma over men.

Religion sometimes inflicts evil by corruptly seeking to serve its own authority, but even more often it opposes new ideas that its dogma does not understand, or which contests its unchallenged dogma, or for which its dogma cannot claim credit.

Religion claims to be a balloon, lifting the human spirit. But the 'balloony' parts of religion are just human artefacts: art, philosophy and community. We do not need religion for those.

The rest of it -- the theology, the claims to authority, the cynical, self-serving institutions -- are a millstone on the mind, and a corruption of the human spirit.

Religion is not the worst thing humanity can suffer. Ignorance and indifference are, and we must oppose them constantly. However religion spends too much of its time fighting for ignorance and indifference, rather than against it.

I agree, Beng: we are better off without it.
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9/3/2015 2:06:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 12:47:26 AM, Leugen9001 wrote:
Exactly! Christianity has been one of the most bigoted religions in the world. True Christians (TM) who drink the Kool aid do not see how flawed their religion is. Atheists are no more absurd than a-unicornists. The Bible says that insects have 4 legs and that pi is 3. True Christians (TM), however, ignore this fact and use apologetics (TM), also known as insane drivel, to cover things up.

Apologetics? You mean like this?

The Bible critic will sometimes make the claim that the Bible isn't scientific because it says that insects have four legs.

Leviticus 11:20-23 - Every winged swarming creature that goes on all fours is a loathsome thing to you. Only this is what you may eat of all the winged swarming creatures that go upon all fours, those that have leaper legs above their feet with which to leap upon the earth. These are the ones of them you may eat of: the migratory locust according to its kind, and the edible locust after its kind, and the cricket according to its kind, and the grasshopper according to its kind. And every other winged swarming creature that does have four legs is a loathsome thing to you.

In Leviticus 11:22 a the Hebrew word arbeh is translated "locust" and is the migratory locust, fully developed and winged. The Hebrew word yeleq refers to the creeping, wingless locust, the immature undeveloped locust. (Joel 1:4) and the Hebrew term solam refers to the edible locust as in Leviticus 11:22 b. That is a leper locust rather than a flier. The Greek akris is rendered "insect locust" and "locust." (Matthew 3:4 / Revelation 9:7)

The leaper insect has two pairs of wings, four walking legs and two much longer leaper legs.

The question put forth by the Bible critic is, does the Bible say that insects have four legs when it says that they are 'going on all fours?' The answer of course is no. The writers of the Bible - in this case, Moses - were not scientist of entomology and botany, but we are talking about Moses' dietary restrictions. They ate the insects. They would have noticed how many legs they had and would have been capable of making the distinction between a leaper insect that actually had six legs but walked on four, or in fact would not have been far removed from using the expression even when considering six legged insects who walk as if on all fours like a four legged creature. We would use the term walking on all four legs in application to a two legged human doing the same.

Bible skeptics often conclude that the Bible writers of 1 Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2, where the circular molten sea in the courtyard of Solomon's temple was ten cubits from brim to brim and that "it took a line of thirty cubits to circle all around it" can't be correct because it is impossible to have a circle with these two values.

Bible commentator Christian Wordsworth: "Up to the time of Archimedes [third century B.C.E.], the circumference of a circle was always measured in straight lines by the radius; and Hiram would naturally describe the sea as thirty cubits round, measuring it, as was then invariably the practice, by its radius, or semi diameter, of five cubits, which being applied six times round the perimeter, or 'brim,' would give the thirty cubits stated. There was evidently no intention in the passage but to give the dimensions of the Sea, in the usual language that every one would understand, measuring the circumference in the way in which all skilled workers, like Hiram, did measure circles at that time. He, of course, must however have known perfectly well, that as the polygonal hexagon thus inscribed by the radius was thirty cubits, the actual curved circumference would be somewhat more."

The molten sea was 10 cubits (15 feet) in diameter and it took a line of 30 cubits (45 feet) to encompass it. A ratio of one to three was adequate for the sake of a record.
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9/3/2015 2:44:44 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 12:28:30 AM, beng100 wrote:
Throughout human history religion was used to explain many things. Existence, purpose, meaning and many others. It provided answers to evolving humans who begun to develop the intelligence that animals do not possess, to question their existence and wonder why life exists. Religion has developed, changed and evolved as humanity has developed in the same way language, culture, race and intelligence has. Early religions practiced in ancient times were replaced by more modern, more recorded, more documented and greater followed religions such as today's abrahamic religions. Religion provided early humans a reason to survive, defend themselves and their culture. It gave them reason to go to war, to fight to the death. Humans believed fighting for their god would make them martyrs. It also gave them hope that death wouldent mean death and an afterlife exists. These factors were evolutionary advantages for early humans as religion gave them a reason to exist, something to fight for and something to turn to in hard times. It is deeply engrained in each human to instinctively look out for a type of religion to follow. Generally children learn and follow their parents religion, although generally more followed religions receive more converts from smaller or less followed one's. It is not natural for humans to be atheists, but factors such as atheist parents, secular education, secular culture and above average intelligence increase the likelihood of athiesm. It is impossible to eliminate religion as it is deeply engrained in humanity but governments need to marginalize it to improve the human races future. Realism is needed in the modern world, not outlandish fantasies, fiction and myths. Issues such as religious wars, religios violence, human rights, sexually transmitted diseases, overpopulation, gay rights, women's rights and terrorism are major problems for humanity. They are completely nneccessary. Reducing religion is key to solving these problems and creating a fairer more prosperous society.

I agree. Religion was most definately once an evolutionary advantage. It is rapidly becoming a disadvantage and will eventually go the way of the dodo, unless that is we cause our own extinction through ignorance first. Abrahamic religions are very dangerous promoting and willfully ushering in self fulfilling prophesies. It may sound fatalistic for me to say that, but there is an uncomfortable truth in it.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."