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Mobutu
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9/3/2015 8:37:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
My dear brothers in the UK I must recommend that you join the Christian Party of the UK ( http://www.ukchristianparty.org... the link). I urge you to stand up and be counted. No other parties are willing to promote the Christian faith like the Christian party.
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9/3/2015 8:42:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

Agreed. Secular culture has put Christians in the "closet". No major party stands for Christian values.
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9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 9:06:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 8:42:22 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

Agreed. Secular culture has put Christians in the "closet". No major party stands for Christian values.

Would the be the same secular culture that allows freedom of religion and freedom of speech? And, you would like to get rid of that?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 9:07:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christians rights would be good...
RuvDraba
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9/3/2015 9:17:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:06:07 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:42:22 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

Agreed. Secular culture has put Christians in the "closet". No major party stands for Christian values.

Would the be the same secular culture that allows freedom of religion and freedom of speech? And, you would like to get rid of that?

According to a 2015 BSA survey, only 42% of the UK identifies as Christian, while some 49% profess no religion. Christians don't want rights 'back' because they already have the right to worship privately and be treated as equally as citizens.

They want their privileges back, please. The ones that let them strut around prescribing law, custom and morality without reference to evidence, transparency of methods or accountability for ignorance or error.

Hence the Christian Party's declaration of 'British' values (note: not 'Traditional Christian' or 'Sectarian Self-Interest' values. These are British values for all people in the UK, regardless of faith, and if you don't like them, please leave.)

1. Christian Conscience
2. British Constitutional Law
3. Traditional Marriage
4. Sanctity of Life

To be British, you have to live like that. Essentially, with your laws dictated by a theocracy.
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9/3/2015 9:22:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:07:29 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christians rights would be good...

What rights, exactly? You have the same rights as everyone else, so what's the problem?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 9:23:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:22:08 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:07:29 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christians rights would be good...

What rights, exactly? You have the same rights as everyone else, so what's the problem?

try telling that to the Christian b&b in Britain, the bakers in northern Ireland..
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9/3/2015 9:24:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 8:37:28 PM, Mobutu wrote:

Are you not going to answer my question here? Post #23

http://www.debate.org...
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 9:25:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:23:57 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:22:08 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:07:29 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christians rights would be good...

What rights, exactly? You have the same rights as everyone else, so what's the problem?

try telling that to the Christian b&b in Britain, the bakers in northern Ireland..

I have no idea what you're talking about. What rights do they lack from everyone else? Explain yourself.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 9:26:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:25:22 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:23:57 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:22:08 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:07:29 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christians rights would be good...

What rights, exactly? You have the same rights as everyone else, so what's the problem?

try telling that to the Christian b&b in Britain, the bakers in northern Ireland..

I have no idea what you're talking about. What rights do they lack from everyone else? Explain yourself.

the rights as Christians to live their beliefs .... i take it you don't keep up with the news too much ...
Mobutu
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9/3/2015 9:26:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christian rights.
DanneJeRusse
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9/3/2015 9:31:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:26:51 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:25:22 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:23:57 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:22:08 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:07:29 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christians rights would be good...

What rights, exactly? You have the same rights as everyone else, so what's the problem?

try telling that to the Christian b&b in Britain, the bakers in northern Ireland..

I have no idea what you're talking about. What rights do they lack from everyone else? Explain yourself.

the rights as Christians to live their beliefs .... i take it you don't keep up with the news too much ...

Christians have every right to live their beliefs, what's the problem and why can't you just come out and explain yourself?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 9:33:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:26:51 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christian rights.

What? Are you a parrot?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 9:34:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:31:48 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:26:51 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:25:22 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:23:57 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:22:08 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:07:29 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christians rights would be good...

What rights, exactly? You have the same rights as everyone else, so what's the problem?

try telling that to the Christian b&b in Britain, the bakers in northern Ireland..

I have no idea what you're talking about. What rights do they lack from everyone else? Explain yourself.

the rights as Christians to live their beliefs .... i take it you don't keep up with the news too much ...

Christians have every right to live their beliefs, what's the problem and why can't you just come out and explain yourself?

so the Christian b&b that used it's own home as a B&b decided to make a rule that only married people could sleep at their home, that's all they wanted, why wasn't that their right....?
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9/3/2015 9:39:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:33:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:26:51 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christian rights.

What? Are you a parrot?

We have had enough of Atheist oppression. We have been discriminated against enough! Christians are forced not to speak about their faith while atheists parrot on about it! We are being FORCED to go against our faith on a daily basis by marrying the gays in our churches! The Sabbath is being violated by big business under the Tories not only going against faith but also against workers rights! And there is so much more!
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9/3/2015 9:47:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:34:38 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:31:48 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:26:51 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:25:22 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:23:57 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:22:08 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:07:29 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christians rights would be good...

What rights, exactly? You have the same rights as everyone else, so what's the problem?

try telling that to the Christian b&b in Britain, the bakers in northern Ireland..

I have no idea what you're talking about. What rights do they lack from everyone else? Explain yourself.

the rights as Christians to live their beliefs .... i take it you don't keep up with the news too much ...

Christians have every right to live their beliefs, what's the problem and why can't you just come out and explain yourself?

so the Christian b&b that used it's own home as a B&b decided to make a rule that only married people could sleep at their home, that's all they wanted, why wasn't that their right....?

Do you have a link to that story? I need more details in order to know what exactly you're talking about as your example is quite vague.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 9:51:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:47:32 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:34:38 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:31:48 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:26:51 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:25:22 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:23:57 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:22:08 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:07:29 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christians rights would be good...

What rights, exactly? You have the same rights as everyone else, so what's the problem?

try telling that to the Christian b&b in Britain, the bakers in northern Ireland..

I have no idea what you're talking about. What rights do they lack from everyone else? Explain yourself.

the rights as Christians to live their beliefs .... i take it you don't keep up with the news too much ...

Christians have every right to live their beliefs, what's the problem and why can't you just come out and explain yourself?

so the Christian b&b that used it's own home as a B&b decided to make a rule that only married people could sleep at their home, that's all they wanted, why wasn't that their right....?

Do you have a link to that story? I need more details in order to know what exactly you're talking about as your example is quite vague.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...
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9/3/2015 9:52:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:39:44 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:33:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:26:51 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christian rights.

What? Are you a parrot?

We have had enough of Atheist oppression.

You're being rather silly, there's no such thing as atheist oppression.

We have been discriminated against enough!

No, you haven't. You have the very same rights as everyone else. You are not being oppressed.

Christians are forced not to speak about their faith while atheists parrot on about it!

Where are atheists parroting about it? Where are you being forced not to speak about your faith?

We are being FORCED to go against our faith on a daily basis by marrying the gays in our churches!

Sorry, but no one has the right to discriminate, which is what you're talking about.

The Sabbath is being violated by big business under the Tories not only going against faith but also against workers rights!

Sorry, there are no workers rights being violated. No one is going against your faith.

And there is so much more!

So far, you provided nothing of value or relevance, but have merely offered an emotional rant.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 9:57:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:51:08 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:47:32 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:34:38 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:31:48 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:26:51 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:25:22 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:23:57 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:22:08 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:07:29 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christians rights would be good...

What rights, exactly? You have the same rights as everyone else, so what's the problem?

try telling that to the Christian b&b in Britain, the bakers in northern Ireland..

I have no idea what you're talking about. What rights do they lack from everyone else? Explain yourself.

the rights as Christians to live their beliefs .... i take it you don't keep up with the news too much ...

Christians have every right to live their beliefs, what's the problem and why can't you just come out and explain yourself?

so the Christian b&b that used it's own home as a B&b decided to make a rule that only married people could sleep at their home, that's all they wanted, why wasn't that their right....?

Do you have a link to that story? I need more details in order to know what exactly you're talking about as your example is quite vague.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

Thank you for that, here are the relevant quotes:

"Ms Wilkinson, a Christian, said her religious beliefs dictated her decision.

Lawyers for Mrs Wilkinson argued that a person offering bed and breakfast in their own home was entitled to refuse to allow people who were not married or in a civil partnership to share a double bed.

The couple are not in a civil partnership. In these circumstances, there was no direct or indirect discrimination, Mrs Wilkinson's lawyers said.

Mr Black and Mr Morgan's case was taken up by lawyers from the human rights organisation Liberty.

They argued it was unlawful for a person concerned with the provision of services to the public to discriminate against a person on the grounds of their sexual orientation."

It would appear like yet another case of discrimination according to the courts decision. Are you therefore asking for the right to discriminate against people on the grounds of their sexual orientation?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 10:20:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:52:43 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:39:44 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:33:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:26:51 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christian rights.

What? Are you a parrot?

We have had enough of Atheist oppression.

You're being rather silly, there's no such thing as atheist oppression.

We have been discriminated against enough!

No, you haven't. You have the very same rights as everyone else. You are not being oppressed.

Christians are forced not to speak about their faith while atheists parrot on about it!

Where are atheists parroting about it? Where are you being forced not to speak about your faith?

We are being FORCED to go against our faith on a daily basis by marrying the gays in our churches!

Sorry, but no one has the right to discriminate, which is what you're talking about.

The Sabbath is being violated by big business under the Tories not only going against faith but also against workers rights!

Sorry, there are no workers rights being violated. No one is going against your faith.

And there is so much more!

So far, you provided nothing of value or relevance, but have merely offered an emotional rant.

1) You have "Atheist privilege" to not suffer the discrimination and the bullying us religious people face every day. Of course you are so mired in this privilege it has become invisible to you.
2) According to a study evangelical christians are often un-conconciously discriminated against in job applications.
3) Have you seen the press coverage that rat Dawkins gets? However the moment a religious person opens their mouth the foul atheist descends with accusations of "idiot" and "freak" and many other derogatory phrases designed to disempower them.
4) If it is against our faith to defile the sanctity of marriage then why not get an atheist to do it? There are enough of them around it seems.
5) Surely workers are entitled to a day of rest (and prayer for some)?
6) You have not successfully attacked my arguments.
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9/3/2015 10:27:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:06:07 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:42:22 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

Agreed. Secular culture has put Christians in the "closet". No major party stands for Christian values.

Would the be the same secular culture that allows freedom of religion and freedom of speech? And, you would like to get rid of that?

No the kind of secular culture that tells religious people to shut up and drink the atheist Kool aid. The kind that encourages young girls to drink and whore themselves out like a prostitute. The kind that tell young men to shag 10 women a day. This sick and per se hedonist evil. Thank god for the Polish Catholics and the Africans. Maybe they will beat sense into the Atheist man. Literally...
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9/3/2015 10:32:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 10:20:25 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:52:43 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:39:44 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:33:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:26:51 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christian rights.

What? Are you a parrot?

We have had enough of Atheist oppression.

You're being rather silly, there's no such thing as atheist oppression.

We have been discriminated against enough!

No, you haven't. You have the very same rights as everyone else. You are not being oppressed.

Christians are forced not to speak about their faith while atheists parrot on about it!

Where are atheists parroting about it? Where are you being forced not to speak about your faith?

We are being FORCED to go against our faith on a daily basis by marrying the gays in our churches!

Sorry, but no one has the right to discriminate, which is what you're talking about.

The Sabbath is being violated by big business under the Tories not only going against faith but also against workers rights!

Sorry, there are no workers rights being violated. No one is going against your faith.

And there is so much more!

So far, you provided nothing of value or relevance, but have merely offered an emotional rant.

1) You have "Atheist privilege" to not suffer the discrimination and the bullying us religious people face every day. Of course you are so mired in this privilege it has become invisible to you.

You're lying, you are not being discriminated or bullied.

2) According to a study evangelical christians are often un-conconciously discriminated against in job applications.

What study? Show it to us.

3) Have you seen the press coverage that rat Dawkins gets?

Yes, he is a brilliant biological evolutionist. I have met and spoken with him personally.

However the moment a religious person opens their mouth the foul atheist descends with accusations of "idiot" and "freak" and many other derogatory phrases designed to disempower them.

What does that have to do with rights? Talk is cheap. Sticks and stones.

4) If it is against our faith to defile the sanctity of marriage then why not get an atheist to do it? There are enough of them around it seems.

No one is defiling the sanctity of marriage.

5) Surely workers are entitled to a day of rest (and prayer for some)?

Sorry, are you being forced to work every single day?

6) You have not successfully attacked my arguments.

You haven't provided any valid arguments, merely emotional rants.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 10:34:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 10:27:59 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:06:07 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:42:22 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

Agreed. Secular culture has put Christians in the "closet". No major party stands for Christian values.

Would the be the same secular culture that allows freedom of religion and freedom of speech? And, you would like to get rid of that?

No the kind of secular culture that tells religious people to shut up and drink the atheist Kool aid.

Sorry, but no one is telling you to shut up, you have the freedom to practice your religion.

The kind that encourages young girls to drink and whore themselves out like a prostitute. The kind that tell young men to shag 10 women a day. This sick and per se hedonist evil.

Clearly, you're just ranting again. Try collect your thoughts and respond without all the bs.

Thank god for the Polish Catholics and the Africans. Maybe they will beat sense into the Atheist man. Literally...

Ah, so now you want to resort to violence. Is that another right that you want? To beat people up?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 10:36:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 9:17:28 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:06:07 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:42:22 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

Agreed. Secular culture has put Christians in the "closet". No major party stands for Christian values.

Would the be the same secular culture that allows freedom of religion and freedom of speech? And, you would like to get rid of that?

According to a 2015 BSA survey, only 42% of the UK identifies as Christian, while some 49% profess no religion. Christians don't want rights 'back' because they already have the right to worship privately and be treated as equally as citizens.

They want their privileges back, please. The ones that let them strut around prescribing law, custom and morality without reference to evidence, transparency of methods or accountability for ignorance or error.

Hence the Christian Party's declaration of 'British' values (note: not 'Traditional Christian' or 'Sectarian Self-Interest' values. These are British values for all people in the UK, regardless of faith, and if you don't like them, please leave.)

1. Christian Conscience
2. British Constitutional Law
3. Traditional Marriage
4. Sanctity of Life

To be British, you have to live like that. Essentially, with your laws dictated by a theocracy.

Thank Ruv. I knew all that but wanted to hear it from the horses mouth, so to speak.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 10:44:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 10:32:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 10:20:25 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:52:43 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:39:44 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:33:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:26:51 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:05:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

And, what exactly are you standing up against?

Christian rights.

What? Are you a parrot?

We have had enough of Atheist oppression.

You're being rather silly, there's no such thing as atheist oppression.

We have been discriminated against enough!

No, you haven't. You have the very same rights as everyone else. You are not being oppressed.

Christians are forced not to speak about their faith while atheists parrot on about it!

Where are atheists parroting about it? Where are you being forced not to speak about your faith?

We are being FORCED to go against our faith on a daily basis by marrying the gays in our churches!

Sorry, but no one has the right to discriminate, which is what you're talking about.

The Sabbath is being violated by big business under the Tories not only going against faith but also against workers rights!

Sorry, there are no workers rights being violated. No one is going against your faith.

And there is so much more!

So far, you provided nothing of value or relevance, but have merely offered an emotional rant.

1) You have "Atheist privilege" to not suffer the discrimination and the bullying us religious people face every day. Of course you are so mired in this privilege it has become invisible to you.

You're lying, you are not being discriminated or bullied.

2) According to a study evangelical christians are often un-conconciously discriminated against in job applications.

What study? Show it to us.

3) Have you seen the press coverage that rat Dawkins gets?

Yes, he is a brilliant biological evolutionist. I have met and spoken with him personally.

However the moment a religious person opens their mouth the foul atheist descends with accusations of "idiot" and "freak" and many other derogatory phrases designed to disempower them.

What does that have to do with rights? Talk is cheap. Sticks and stones.

4) If it is against our faith to defile the sanctity of marriage then why not get an atheist to do it? There are enough of them around it seems.

No one is defiling the sanctity of marriage.

5) Surely workers are entitled to a day of rest (and prayer for some)?

Sorry, are you being forced to work every single day?

6) You have not successfully attacked my arguments.

You haven't provided any valid arguments, merely emotional rants.

1) http://www.premier.org.uk... We are mocked and bullied on a daily basis for showing our faith.
2) Just because you are not aware of your privilege and our oppression does not mean it doesn't exist. In fact you denying my lived experience as non existent is one of the many christian oppressions.
3) Are you aware of the degrading power of words? Imagine everyone calling you an "idiot", "bible basher", "god botherer", "lunatic", "stupid", "frigid" and a "bigot" any time you even make any display of faith. Now you've lived a life as a christian in Liberal Europe. However the moment we say a single word about the immorality of say a gay person (not like fire and brimstone crap) like: Is it really okay to sleep with men?, The liberal and they gay bombard you with calls of homophobe and bigot and then you are a monster. Nothing you do changes that. They isolate you and wear you down. And we have had enough. I want to see the end of this liberal, gay agenda to destroy religion. That's why we're fighting back, in the courts, the political systems and all over. For instance if the SNP dies we can make moves to take a constituency in the Western Isles of Scotland. We got 6.6% lf the vote in 2015 so maybe we can try and expand.
4) gay marriage threatens the sanctity of christian marriage.
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9/3/2015 10:49:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 10:34:48 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 10:27:59 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 9:06:07 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:42:22 PM, Mobutu wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:40:34 PM, graceofgod wrote:
about time Christians stood up for their faith..

Agreed. Secular culture has put Christians in the "closet". No major party stands for Christian values.

Would the be the same secular culture that allows freedom of religion and freedom of speech? And, you would like to get rid of that?

No the kind of secular culture that tells religious people to shut up and drink the atheist Kool aid.

Sorry, but no one is telling you to shut up, you have the freedom to practice your religion.

The kind that encourages young girls to drink and whore themselves out like a prostitute. The kind that tell young men to shag 10 women a day. This sick and per se hedonist evil.

Clearly, you're just ranting again. Try collect your thoughts and respond without all the bs.

Thank god for the Polish Catholics and the Africans. Maybe they will beat sense into the Atheist man. Literally...

Ah, so now you want to resort to violence. Is that another right that you want? To beat people up?

1) In theory yes, however once we do we are mocked and belittled. However this has always been the way, Christians have always been persecuted and this is no different. However we are resurging mass immigration and birth rates are on our side.
2) I'm pointing out a truth in our hedonist sexual society.
3) I don't want violence however eventually you will erupt the ire of the Muslims (who HATE gays and liberalism.). And they have been known for their violence. More a warning than a threat.
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9/3/2015 10:53:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 8:37:28 PM, Mobutu wrote:
My dear brothers in the UK I must recommend that you join the Christian Party of the UK ( http://www.ukchristianparty.org... the link). I urge you to stand up and be counted. No other parties are willing to promote the Christian faith like the Christian party.

From the link under the Education platform:

"Reinstate mandatory Christian religious education in schools."

You realize, of course, that will never happen. The UK is already a melting pot of various cultures and religions. Dream on.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/3/2015 10:56:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/3/2015 10:53:42 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/3/2015 8:37:28 PM, Mobutu wrote:
My dear brothers in the UK I must recommend that you join the Christian Party of the UK ( http://www.ukchristianparty.org... the link). I urge you to stand up and be counted. No other parties are willing to promote the Christian faith like the Christian party.

From the link under the Education platform:

"Reinstate mandatory Christian religious education in schools."

You realize, of course, that will never happen. The UK is already a melting pot of various cultures and religions. Dream on.

We're still the dominant faith us Christians. Also the country is almost 85% white. The only place this might be problematic is Londonistan.