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9/6/2015 9:00:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
(666 & Islam)

https://youtu.be...

(Islam and the number 6)

https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com...

(Beheadings of Christians)

King James Bible
Revelation 20:4
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

-ISIS Declares War on the Cross. 21 Christians beheaded in video

http://www.ijreview.com......

-Islamic State beheads 30 Egyptian Christians in Libya

http://www.religionnews.com......

-Oklahoma woman beheaded by Muslim

http://shoebat.com......

Ohio Man Plotted to Kill Christians
"If I behead one of those mother f*****s I go to Heaven."(pardon his French)

http://www.frontpagemag.com......

King James Bible
2 Timothy 3:2
"For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy"

(For the Love of Money)

http://mobile.nytimes.com...

-Mahdi is the Antichrist. Good in Islam. Evil in Christianity. In Islam he comes at the 2nd coming of Christ to stand against Christians preceeded by a Jesus like prophet. In Christianity, Jesus comes to stand against the Antichrist in the end, and Antichrist's followers all wind up burning for eternity. In Islam Allah is God. In Christianity the followers of the evil Antichrist behead Christians, stand against Christianity and worship a "strange god their fathers knew not". In Islam beheading Christians is considered common practice and deemed normal. In Christianity the Antichrist's followers behead Christians and are damned for eternity. The Christian Bible demonizes the numbers 666. In Islam the number 6 and 666 are deemed as good numbers specifically. In Christianity, anyone who declares Jesus is not the Christ is Antichrist. The Quran and Islam declare specifically that Jesus is not the Christ/Son of God. In Christianity lying is a sin. In Islam you can lie all day to nonmuslims to protect Islam. (Notice Barrack Hussein Obama detaches from Islam in Christian America yet he was raised Muslim, had Muslim parents and speaks highly of Islam. Strangely he mocks Jesus at the Sermon on the Mount, refused usage of a Christmas tree but seems to know Islamic traditions when gone abroad to the Middle East. Notice that he declared in a Speech what it "really" means to be a Muslim. And he has such authority and inside knowledge how? There are pictures of him in Muslim attire as a kid and as the current U.S. President. Wierd? Yep. If it quacks like a duck... This is an example of the authority granted by Islam to lie to "infidels". His parents were a part of a very small Islamic sect, considered by many a cult, who's leader strangely looked just like Barrack Obama. On his mother's documents he has a different last name. That's wierd. The only known woman who could truely identify him and was in the "cult" miraculously died as soon as Barrack was elected and his "American birth" was in question. He came after the ministry of Billy Grahm's son with threats of audits and gathering of information to destroy the ministry. Against the Grahms? But he says he's a Muslim... I mean a Christian. In your dreams... or nightmares...As I said, the power of lying at all costs within Islam to "infidels".)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Back to Barack "Obama". Islam declares the Mahdi will come when the sun sets over the West. Obama is the first U.S. President to take the U.S. flag off of Airforce One and put his own symbol on it. His symbol is the sun setting over the American flag. Think about that. This guy shows actions that state what he really thinks. He thinks HE is Mahdi based on his ACTIONS. Strange? Yes. Fulfillment of Biblical prophecy? Each individual can only say based on their own beliefs or lack thereof, but it is still clear that he thinks of himself as their Messiah and a bridge from Islam over the "West". Getting really creepy around here...

And if you feel this is somehow me manipulating any part of this, then study for yourself. Don't just blindly accept my words. Google magic my friends. Good luck and God bless all. May we all make it out of here safe and content.

Jesus Christ is my Lord. The Mahdi is not nor ever will be. Oh well. My head was getting in my way anyway. :-)
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9/6/2015 9:18:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
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Islam, antichristian belief syste. Fulfills Biblical prophecy. The enemies of Christianity are fulfilling its prophecies, and not Christians themselves.
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9/6/2015 9:23:38 PM
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Also keep in mind that the Christian Bible is much older than the Islamic Quran. Muslims will claim we all serve the God of Abraham as a public PR statement. But obviously behind closed doors they are anti Jew and anti Christian. And Atheists, you are bunched up with us in Islamic perspective. Jews, Hindus, Buhdists, Christians, Sciebtologists, Wicans, Urantians, and even Atheists are ALL infidels, to be beheaded and worthy of death.
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9/7/2015 5:16:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/6/2015 9:00:19 PM, Sooner wrote:
(666 & Islam)

https://youtu.be...

(Islam and the number 6)

https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com...


(Beheadings of Christians)

King James Bible
Revelation 20:4
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

-ISIS Declares War on the Cross. 21 Christians beheaded in video

http://www.ijreview.com......

-Islamic State beheads 30 Egyptian Christians in Libya

http://www.religionnews.com......

-Oklahoma woman beheaded by Muslim

http://shoebat.com......

Ohio Man Plotted to Kill Christians
"If I behead one of those mother f*****s I go to Heaven."(pardon his French)

http://www.frontpagemag.com......


King James Bible
2 Timothy 3:2
"For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy"

(For the Love of Money)

http://mobile.nytimes.com...


-Mahdi is the Antichrist. Good in Islam. Evil in Christianity. In Islam he comes at the 2nd coming of Christ to stand against Christians preceeded by a Jesus like prophet. In Christianity, Jesus comes to stand against the Antichrist in the end, and Antichrist's followers all wind up burning for eternity. In Islam Allah is God. In Christianity the followers of the evil Antichrist behead Christians, stand against Christianity and worship a "strange god their fathers knew not". In Islam beheading Christians is considered common practice and deemed normal. In Christianity the Antichrist's followers behead Christians and are damned for eternity. The Christian Bible demonizes the numbers 666. In Islam the number 6 and 666 are deemed as good numbers specifically. In Christianity, anyone who declares Jesus is not the Christ is Antichrist. The Quran and Islam declare specifically that Jesus is not the Christ/Son of God. In Christianity lying is a sin. In Islam you can lie all day to nonmuslims to protect Islam. (Notice Barrack Hussein Obama detaches from Islam in Christian America yet he was raised Muslim, had Muslim parents and speaks highly of Islam. Strangely he mocks Jesus at the Sermon on the Mount, refused usage of a Christmas tree but seems to know Islamic traditions when gone abroad to the Middle East. Notice that he declared in a Speech what it "really" means to be a Muslim. And he has such authority and inside knowledge how? There are pictures of him in Muslim attire as a kid and as the current U.S. President. Wierd? Yep. If it quacks like a duck... This is an example of the authority granted by Islam to lie to "infidels". His parents were a part of a very small Islamic sect, considered by many a cult, who's leader strangely looked just like Barrack Obama. On his mother's documents he has a different last name. That's wierd. The only known woman who could truely identify him and was in the "cult" miraculously died as soon as Barrack was elected and his "American birth" was in question. He came after the ministry of Billy Grahm's son with threats of audits and gathering of information to destroy the ministry. Against the Grahms? But he says he's a Muslim... I mean a Christian. In your dreams... or nightmares...As I said, the power of lying at all costs within Islam to "infidels".)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Back to Barack "Obama". Islam declares the Mahdi will come when the sun sets over the West. Obama is the first U.S. President to take the U.S. flag off of Airforce One and put his own symbol on it. His symbol is the sun setting over the American flag. Think about that. This guy shows actions that state what he really thinks. He thinks HE is Mahdi based on his ACTIONS. Strange? Yes. Fulfillment of Biblical prophecy? Each individual can only say based on their own beliefs or lack thereof, but it is still clear that he thinks of himself as their Messiah and a bridge from Islam over the "West". Getting really creepy around here...

And if you feel this is somehow me manipulating any part of this, then study for yourself. Don't just blindly accept my words. Google magic my friends. Good luck and God bless all. May we all make it out of here safe and content.

Jesus Christ is my Lord. The Mahdi is not nor ever will be. Oh well. My head was getting in my way anyway. :-)

Jesus was a muslim, and muslims are the followers of Jesus. If jesus back then he would be a pious muslim instead of a christian.
muslims behead and kill the paganist such Christians. Jesus also will do the same thing when he back. He will kill Christians due to preach the false thing.
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9/7/2015 5:40:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
if "beheading" fulfils your ridiculous garbage you bringing here what about the english who were the biggest mass murderers of human history (learn history) they were killing poeple for centuries with their european friends and you know what? they were christians. not muslims athiests or hindues. learn history of christainity its full of bloodshed, wars and dark ages. plus of the beheading you have there rape cannibalism burning poeple... fgt :D
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9/7/2015 5:44:50 AM
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the author of revelation is anonymous... how great is that...

abot KJ version (from the RSV)
Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation

LOL
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9/7/2015 5:54:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/7/2015 5:16:04 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/6/2015 9:00:19 PM, Sooner wrote:
(666 & Islam)

https://youtu.be...

(Islam and the number 6)

https://heavenawaits.wordpress.com...


(Beheadings of Christians)

King James Bible
Revelation 20:4
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

-ISIS Declares War on the Cross. 21 Christians beheaded in video

http://www.ijreview.com......

-Islamic State beheads 30 Egyptian Christians in Libya

http://www.religionnews.com......

-Oklahoma woman beheaded by Muslim

http://shoebat.com......

Ohio Man Plotted to Kill Christians
"If I behead one of those mother f*****s I go to Heaven."(pardon his French)

http://www.frontpagemag.com......


King James Bible
2 Timothy 3:2
"For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy"

(For the Love of Money)

http://mobile.nytimes.com...


-Mahdi is the Antichrist. Good in Islam. Evil in Christianity. In Islam he comes at the 2nd coming of Christ to stand against Christians preceeded by a Jesus like prophet. In Christianity, Jesus comes to stand against the Antichrist in the end, and Antichrist's followers all wind up burning for eternity. In Islam Allah is God. In Christianity the followers of the evil Antichrist behead Christians, stand against Christianity and worship a "strange god their fathers knew not". In Islam beheading Christians is considered common practice and deemed normal. In Christianity the Antichrist's followers behead Christians and are damned for eternity. The Christian Bible demonizes the numbers 666. In Islam the number 6 and 666 are deemed as good numbers specifically. In Christianity, anyone who declares Jesus is not the Christ is Antichrist. The Quran and Islam declare specifically that Jesus is not the Christ/Son of God. In Christianity lying is a sin. In Islam you can lie all day to nonmuslims to protect Islam. (Notice Barrack Hussein Obama detaches from Islam in Christian America yet he was raised Muslim, had Muslim parents and speaks highly of Islam. Strangely he mocks Jesus at the Sermon on the Mount, refused usage of a Christmas tree but seems to know Islamic traditions when gone abroad to the Middle East. Notice that he declared in a Speech what it "really" means to be a Muslim. And he has such authority and inside knowledge how? There are pictures of him in Muslim attire as a kid and as the current U.S. President. Wierd? Yep. If it quacks like a duck... This is an example of the authority granted by Islam to lie to "infidels". His parents were a part of a very small Islamic sect, considered by many a cult, who's leader strangely looked just like Barrack Obama. On his mother's documents he has a different last name. That's wierd. The only known woman who could truely identify him and was in the "cult" miraculously died as soon as Barrack was elected and his "American birth" was in question. He came after the ministry of Billy Grahm's son with threats of audits and gathering of information to destroy the ministry. Against the Grahms? But he says he's a Muslim... I mean a Christian. In your dreams... or nightmares...As I said, the power of lying at all costs within Islam to "infidels".)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Back to Barack "Obama". Islam declares the Mahdi will come when the sun sets over the West. Obama is the first U.S. President to take the U.S. flag off of Airforce One and put his own symbol on it. His symbol is the sun setting over the American flag. Think about that. This guy shows actions that state what he really thinks. He thinks HE is Mahdi based on his ACTIONS. Strange? Yes. Fulfillment of Biblical prophecy? Each individual can only say based on their own beliefs or lack thereof, but it is still clear that he thinks of himself as their Messiah and a bridge from Islam over the "West". Getting really creepy around here...

And if you feel this is somehow me manipulating any part of this, then study for yourself. Don't just blindly accept my words. Google magic my friends. Good luck and God bless all. May we all make it out of here safe and content.

Jesus Christ is my Lord. The Mahdi is not nor ever will be. Oh well. My head was getting in my way anyway. :-)

Jesus was a muslim, and muslims are the followers of Jesus. If jesus back then he would be a pious muslim instead of a christian.
muslims behead and kill the paganist such Christians. Jesus also will do the same thing when he back. He will kill Christians due to preach the false thing.

That's wierd. Doesn't the Quaran say the Gospel of the Bible is true?(rhetorical question)
The "Gospel" of Christianity says that Jesus is the Son of God and that Ishmael and his seed are a curse to the Earth. That same Gospel was 600 years old before the Quaran was written. What was Allah doing for that 600 years? Even Muhammed declares Jesus is the "Messiah". (But not the Son of God)(So what is the difference?)
Allah allowed 600 years of Jesus being declared the Son of God before giving us the "final non edited Quaran" yet the Quaran is missing pieces and pages according to the Hadiths and Amoms. So just how big is the religion's lie? (Rhetorical again)
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9/7/2015 5:59:28 AM
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Jesus was a muslim, and muslims are the followers of Jesus. If jesus back then he would be a pious muslim instead of a christian.
muslims behead and kill the paganist such Christians. Jesus also will do the same thing when he back. He will kill Christians due to preach the false thing.

That's wierd. Doesn't the Quaran say the Gospel of the Bible is true?(rhetorical question)
The "Gospel" of Christianity says that Jesus is the Son of God and that Ishmael and his seed are a curse to the Earth. That same Gospel was 600 years old before the Quaran was written. What was Allah doing for that 600 years? Even Muhammed declares Jesus is the "Messiah". (But not the Son of God)(So what is the difference?)
Allah allowed 600 years of Jesus being declared the Son of God before giving us the "final non edited Quaran" yet the Quaran is missing pieces and pages according to the Hadiths and Amoms. So just how big is the religion's lie? (Rhetorical again)

Yes the Gospel was used to be true, however not anymore. The existing Gospel today is the mixing of God's words and men's.
There is no such missing pages in Quran.
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9/7/2015 6:09:11 AM
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At 9/7/2015 5:40:31 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if "beheading" fulfils your ridiculous garbage you bringing here what about the english who were the biggest mass murderers of human history (learn history) they were killing poeple for centuries with their european friends and you know what? they were christians. not muslims athiests or hindues. learn history of christainity its full of bloodshed, wars and dark ages. plus of the beheading you have there rape cannibalism burning poeple... fgt :D

My forfathers defeated the English, abolished slavery, gave women the right to vote before any other nation and defeated the Nazis and Hitler. Rape is not a "Christian" teaching therefore not "Christian. Neither is cannabalism. Christianity is not burning anyone alive as of even semi modern times and to do so would be against Biblical teachings. And that is the difference. Islam is beheading today in real time, in real life today, right now. And these beheadings are commanded in the Quran. None of the so claimed madness of past "Christianity" is "Christlike" or taught in the Bible. Satan comes fromall directions and rules Islamby fear. I don't live in a constant state of fear. The Quran demands constant fear. :-)
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9/7/2015 6:13:18 AM
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At 9/7/2015 5:59:28 AM, uncung wrote:
Jesus was a muslim, and muslims are the followers of Jesus. If jesus back then he would be a pious muslim instead of a christian.
muslims behead and kill the paganist such Christians. Jesus also will do the same thing when he back. He will kill Christians due to preach the false thing.

That's wierd. Doesn't the Quaran say the Gospel of the Bible is true?(rhetorical question)
The "Gospel" of Christianity says that Jesus is the Son of God and that Ishmael and his seed are a curse to the Earth. That same Gospel was 600 years old before the Quaran was written. What was Allah doing for that 600 years? Even Muhammed declares Jesus is the "Messiah". (But not the Son of God)(So what is the difference?)
Allah allowed 600 years of Jesus being declared the Son of God before giving us the "final non edited Quaran" yet the Quaran is missing pieces and pages according to the Hadiths and Amoms. So just how big is the religion's lie? (Rhetorical again)

Yes the Gospel was used to be true, however not anymore. The existing Gospel today is the mixing of God's words and men's.
There is no such missing pages in Quran.

The Gospel used to be true? Then Jesus was the Son of God for 600 pre Muhammed years. But after Muhammed, Jesus got demoted from devine to magician prophet who did miracles that Muhammed never did, yet Muhammed the non miracle worker is above Jesus who could raise the dead? Somebody cue the ice cream truck music.
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9/7/2015 6:13:38 AM
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At 9/6/2015 9:18:31 PM, Sooner wrote:
http://youtu.be...

Islam, antichristian belief syste. Fulfills Biblical prophecy. The enemies of Christianity are fulfilling its prophecies, and not Christians themselves. : :

Antichrist does not mean antichristian. Most Christians are antichrists.
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9/7/2015 6:18:07 AM
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At 9/7/2015 5:44:50 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
the author of revelation is anonymous... how great is that...

abot KJ version (from the RSV)
Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation

LOL

The book of Revelation was written by John. It says this in the...

Book of Revelation...
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9/7/2015 6:19:30 AM
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The missing verses of the Quran are found with Abu Khuzaimah
During the caliphate of Abu Bakr mention is made by Zaid of two verses which he said he found only with Abu Khuzaimah al-Ansari. The full text of the hadith on this subject reads as follows: "I found the last verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima al- Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The verse is: "Verily there has come to you an Apostle from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty " (Sahib al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, p. 478).
Insofar as the text speaks for itself without further enquiry, we can see quite plainly that, in his search for the Quran, Zaid was dependent on one source alone for the last two verses of Surat at-Tauba. At face value this evidence suggests that no one else knew these verses and that, had they not been found with Abu Khuzaimah, they would have been omitted from the Quran text. The incident suggests immediately that, far from there being numerous huffaz who knew the whole Quran off by heart to the last letter, it was, in fact, so widely spread that some passages were only known to a few of the companions " in this case, only one.
This ex facie interpretation of the narrative naturally undermines the popular sentiment among Muslims of later generations that the Quran was preserved intact because its contents were all known perfectly by all the sahaba of Muhammad who had undertaken to memorise it.
A more convenient explanation for the hadith had to be found and we find it expressed in the following quotation from Desai" s booklet: The meaning of the above statement of Hadhrat Zaid should now be very clear that among those who had written the verses under the direct command and supervision of Rasulullah Khuzaimah was the only person from whom he ( Zaid) found the last two verses of Surah Baqraah written, (Desai, The Quraan Unimpeachable, p. 20).
Although the hadith as recorded by al-Bukhari makes no mention of this, Desai claims that the statement that Abu Khuzaima alone had the last two verses of Surat at-Tauba "means that he was in fact the only one who had them in writing under Muhammad" s direct supervision. He goes on to say: It was known beyond the slightest shadow of doubt that these two verses were part of the Quran. Hundreds of Sahabah knew the verses from memory. Furthermore, those Sahabah who had in their possession the complete recording of the Quran in writing also had these particular verses in their written records. But, as far as having written them under the direct supervision of Rasulullah was concerned; only Abu Khuzaimah had these verses. ( Desai, The Quran Unimpeachable, p. 21).
The maulana gives no evidences whatsoever in support of these statements. Nowhere in the earliest records of the Hadith literature is there any suggestion that hundreds of Muhammad"s companions knew these verses and that others had them in writing, and that what Zaid intended to say was that Abu Khuzaima alone had them in writing directly from Muhammad. Desai"s omission of any documentation for his statement is, in the circumstances, most significant.
Siddique, in his article in Al-Balaagh ( p. 2), also claims that when Zaid said " I could not find a verse" he actually meant he could not find it in writing. As said before, there is nothing in the hadith text itself to yield such an interpretation. From what source, then, do these learned authors obtain this view? It is derived from the following extract which is taken from the Fath al- Baari fi Sharh al-Bukhari of Ahmad ibn Ali ibn Muhammad al-Asqalani ibn Hajar, the translation appearing in Burton"s The Collection of the Qur an on pages 127 and 128:"It does not follow from Zaid" s saying that he had failed to find the aya from Surat at Tauba in the possession of anyone else, that at that time it was not among those who had learnt their Qur an from the Companions, but had not heard it direct from the Prophet. What Zaid was seeking was the evidence of those who had their Qur" an texts direct from the Prophet. " The correct interpretation of Zaid" s remark that he had failed to find the aya with anyone else is that he had failed to find it in writing, not that he had failed to find those who bore it in their memories. (Fath al-Baari, Vol. 9, p. 12)."
The source from which Desai and Siddique derive their opinions is not from the earliest records of the compilation of the Quran but a much later commentary on the Sahih al-Bukhari done by the famous Muslim author al- sqalani ibn Hajar who was born in 773 A. H. (1372 A. D.) and died in 852 A. H. The earliest source for the interpretation that Zaid was looking for the verses only in authorised written sources thus dates no less than eight centuries after Muhammad"s death by which time, as is the case to this day, it had become fashionable to hold the view that the Quran had been widely known to perfection by all the companions of Muhammad who had memorised it. It is, therefore, a convenient interpretation read into the text of the hadith to sustain a more recent supposition. There is nothing in the text of the hadith itself, however, to support this interpretation. The extract continues with some very interesting comments:
"Besides, it is probable that when Zaid found it with Abu Khuzaima the other companions recalled having heard it. Zaid himself certainly recalled that he had heard it. (Fath al- Baari, op. cit.)". While Desai boldly states that it was known "beyond the slightest shadow of doubt" that the last two verses of Surat at-Tauba were part of the Quran and that they were known by "hundreds of Sahabah" in their memories and by others who had recorded them in writing, his source only goes so far as to suggest that it is "probable" that when Zaid produced them from Abu Khuzaima, the other companions recalled having heard them. A cautious suggestion that the others may have recalled having heard the verses has been transformed by Desai into a bold declaration that they were known by hundreds of them without the aid of recollection "beyond the slightest shadow of doubt".
Here is clear evidence that modern Muslim writers are out to establish a cherished hypothesis " the unquestionable perfection of the Quran text " instead of objectively assessing the factual evidences as they stand. Desai"s source is only a comparatively recent work of interpretation and yet, even here, he cannot resist the temptation to expand it into wholesale allegations of fact.
The collection of the Quran by Zaid under Abu Bakr was a gathering together of the texts of the Quran from widely divergent sources and materials where the Quran was scattered, so divergent that at the Battle of Yamama some passages were irretrievably lost and, in another case, only one of Muhammad" s companions was aware of the text. "I searched for the Quran"" Zaid declared, indicating that he did not expect to find all the texts of the book in the memory of any one man or on written materials in any one place.
The Quran thus compiled was the product of a widespread search for what was known in the memories of many men and had been inscribed upon various materials. This type of source-material hardly supports the notion and claim that the Quran, as eventually collected, was perfect to the last dot and letter. The Muslim hypothesis is the product of wishful sentiment; it is not based on an objective and realistic assessment of the facts contained in the earliest historical records of the initial collection of the Quran.
Abridged from Jam "al-Quran by John Gilchrist
message4muslims.org.uk
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9/7/2015 6:25:35 AM
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At 9/7/2015 5:40:31 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if "beheading" fulfils your ridiculous garbage you bringing here what about the english who were the biggest mass murderers of human history (learn history) they were killing poeple for centuries with their european friends and you know what? they were christians. not muslims athiests or hindues. learn history of christainity its full of bloodshed, wars and dark ages. plus of the beheading you have there rape cannibalism burning poeple... fgt :D

And how would an "English beheading" be in line with Jesus' command to love your enemy?(rhetorical question)
Jesus himself said,"not everyone who calls me Lord will be saved. I will say depart from me you workers of iniquity. I never knew you." Professed "Christians" who are wolves in sheeps clothing according to Jesus himself. Your claim is very Christian Bible fulfilling.
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9/7/2015 6:25:48 AM
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Yes the Gospel was used to be true, however not anymore. The existing Gospel today is the mixing of God's words and men's.
There is no such missing pages in Quran.

The Gospel used to be true? Then Jesus was the Son of God for 600 pre Muhammed years. But after Muhammed, Jesus got demoted from devine to magician prophet who did miracles that Muhammed never did, yet Muhammed the non miracle worker is above Jesus who could raise the dead? Somebody cue the ice cream truck music.

All prophets performed miracles, not special for Jesus only. The miracles by prophet muhammd for instance were much more than by Jesus.
However we muslims don't really rely on the ancient miracles, since they have nothing to do with our salvation in hereafter. You cannot prove at all the miracles of jesus, if you propose them to Atheists they must ask you the tangible proofs that you cannot provide.
Nor the evidence of jesus rising from death. It is not different with some ancient myths.
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9/7/2015 6:28:22 AM
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At 9/7/2015 5:44:50 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
the author of revelation is anonymous... how great is that...

abot KJ version (from the RSV)
Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation

LOL

So my claim got your attention but Unkung advocating beheading today in real life right now gets no response from you. That is truely blind and sad. I wish better thinking than that for you.
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9/7/2015 6:29:42 AM
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The existing quran is already fixed. No matter the way the companions compiled it. That's why one cannot find the other version of quran. It is not the same with Bible, one can find it versions even in the same language.
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9/7/2015 6:30:57 AM
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At 9/7/2015 6:25:48 AM, uncung wrote:
Yes the Gospel was used to be true, however not anymore. The existing Gospel today is the mixing of God's words and men's.
There is no such missing pages in Quran.

The Gospel used to be true? Then Jesus was the Son of God for 600 pre Muhammed years. But after Muhammed, Jesus got demoted from devine to magician prophet who did miracles that Muhammed never did, yet Muhammed the non miracle worker is above Jesus who could raise the dead? Somebody cue the ice cream truck music.

All prophets performed miracles, not special for Jesus only. The miracles by prophet muhammd for instance were much more than by Jesus.
However we muslims don't really rely on the ancient miracles, since they have nothing to do with our salvation in hereafter. You cannot prove at all the miracles of jesus, if you propose them to Atheists they must ask you the tangible proofs that you cannot provide.
Nor the evidence of jesus rising from death. It is not different with some ancient myths.

Jesus raised the dead, caused the blind to see, and healed diseases. What miracle greater than that did Muhammed perform?
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9/7/2015 6:33:27 AM
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At 9/7/2015 6:29:42 AM, uncung wrote:
The existing quran is already fixed. No matter the way the companions compiled it. That's why one cannot find the other version of quran. It is not the same with Bible, one can find it versions even in the same language.

As the Amoms keep making modern Hadiths. The Quran has that brother, the Suna, and Hadiths beyond number. The Quran does not Islamically stand alone. I'm well versed on Islam even more so than its followers.
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9/7/2015 6:35:07 AM
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At 9/7/2015 6:29:42 AM, uncung wrote:
The existing quran is already fixed. No matter the way the companions compiled it. That's why one cannot find the other version of quran. It is not the same with Bible, one can find it versions even in the same language.

What is interesting in the Quran is how Muhammed starts out as Jew and Christian lover. Then he hates Jews eventually. Then he hates Christians later. Schizophrenia?
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9/7/2015 6:36:13 AM
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The fact that Muhammed liked 12 year old girls should have been the first clue.
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9/7/2015 6:37:51 AM
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At 9/7/2015 5:40:31 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if "beheading" fulfils your ridiculous garbage you bringing here what about the english who were the biggest mass murderers of human history (learn history) they were killing poeple for centuries with their european friends and you know what? they were christians. not muslims athiests or hindues. learn history of christainity its full of bloodshed, wars and dark ages. plus of the beheading you have there rape cannibalism burning poeple... fgt :D

I teach History at Fort Sill. You?
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9/7/2015 6:41:16 AM
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At 9/7/2015 6:33:27 AM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/7/2015 6:29:42 AM, uncung wrote:
The existing quran is already fixed. No matter the way the companions compiled it. That's why one cannot find the other version of quran. It is not the same with Bible, one can find it versions even in the same language.

As the Amoms keep making modern Hadiths. The Quran has that brother, the Suna, and Hadiths beyond number. The Quran does not Islamically stand alone. I'm well versed on Islam even more so than its followers.

what do you mean modern hadiths? who is Amoms?
I am pleasant to know the new hadith or Quran, if any.
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9/7/2015 6:41:35 AM
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At 9/7/2015 6:33:27 AM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/7/2015 6:29:42 AM, uncung wrote:
The existing quran is already fixed. No matter the way the companions compiled it. That's why one cannot find the other version of quran. It is not the same with Bible, one can find it versions even in the same language.

As the Amoms keep making modern Hadiths. The Quran has that brother, the Suna, and Hadiths beyond number. The Quran does not Islamically stand alone. I'm well versed on Islam even more so than its followers.

And this is why I so easily reject it. It's based on common sense. The Quran depicts the words of a man who can't decide what he believes. Muhammed suffered from split personality disorder based off of the words of the Quran and Suna. Oh yeah. I forgot. Shhhhh. The Suna doesn't exist. I forgot.
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9/7/2015 6:42:28 AM
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At 9/7/2015 6:36:13 AM, Sooner wrote:
The fact that Muhammed liked 12 year old girls should have been the first clue.

Is that wrong? she was his wife.
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9/7/2015 6:44:52 AM
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At 9/7/2015 6:41:35 AM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/7/2015 6:33:27 AM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/7/2015 6:29:42 AM, uncung wrote:
The existing quran is already fixed. No matter the way the companions compiled it. That's why one cannot find the other version of quran. It is not the same with Bible, one can find it versions even in the same language.

As the Amoms keep making modern Hadiths. The Quran has that brother, the Suna, and Hadiths beyond number. The Quran does not Islamically stand alone. I'm well versed on Islam even more so than its followers.

And this is why I so easily reject it. It's based on common sense. The Quran depicts the words of a man who can't decide what he believes. Muhammed suffered from split personality disorder based off of the words of the Quran and Suna. Oh yeah. I forgot. Shhhhh. The Suna doesn't exist. I forgot.

Quran purely is the God's words. There is nowhere men's therein. What do you mean split personally disorder? elaborate it.
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9/7/2015 6:45:49 AM
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And seeing Muhammed was illiterate, who knows whether these are even his actual words from "Alah" the great!!! (While a scary version of Gabriel cornered him in a cave, he hopped on a mythological creature, and flew to Alah in a "dream" like state. Then in his inability to read or write we somehow came about a "holy book" that is reliable even 1,400 years later. :-/
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9/7/2015 6:49:59 AM
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At 9/7/2015 6:44:52 AM, uncung wrote:
At 9/7/2015 6:41:35 AM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/7/2015 6:33:27 AM, Sooner wrote:
At 9/7/2015 6:29:42 AM, uncung wrote:
The existing quran is already fixed. No matter the way the companions compiled it. That's why one cannot find the other version of quran. It is not the same with Bible, one can find it versions even in the same language.

As the Amoms keep making modern Hadiths. The Quran has that brother, the Suna, and Hadiths beyond number. The Quran does not Islamically stand alone. I'm well versed on Islam even more so than its followers.

And this is why I so easily reject it. It's based on common sense. The Quran depicts the words of a man who can't decide what he believes. Muhammed suffered from split personality disorder based off of the words of the Quran and Suna. Oh yeah. I forgot. Shhhhh. The Suna doesn't exist. I forgot.

Quran purely is the God's words. There is nowhere men's therein. What do you mean split personally disorder? elaborate it.

He acts like Christianity is great and Jews at first. Then after Jews and Christians rejected him, now everyone is the enemy of Islam. It's like he later declares "screw em all! I know I said good things earlier, but they've made me very angry, so now I say different. Now I say kill them!"
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9/7/2015 6:56:07 AM
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If Alah wanted "slaves", why didn't he just make robots instead of flawed humans? Interesting those handbands cleanse sin which is what the Bible says Jesus did. Does Islam ever get tired of plagiarising Christianity's and Judaism's fundamental concepts? If god !as Alah, I would morally obligated as a human being to stand against him. If Alah is so angry and dictatorial, what is the Shaitan lik? Is Satan morally superior to Alah? He couldn't even exist if the Islamic version of Alah were true. Angry, intollerant, slave seeking Alah would not allow Satan to exist. He would have beheaded him in the beginning for opposing him in his intollerance, and tossed him into Hell.
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9/7/2015 7:03:30 AM
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At 9/7/2015 6:45:49 AM, Sooner wrote:
And seeing Muhammed was illiterate, who knows whether these are even his actual words from "Alah" the great!!! (While a scary version of Gabriel cornered him in a cave, he hopped on a mythological creature, and flew to Alah in a "dream" like state. Then in his inability to read or write we somehow came about a "holy book" that is reliable even 1,400 years later. :-/

It was his miracle he could not read nor write, yet he able "to produce" such everlasting book. Yes Allah is great. the alleged Jesus also screamed on the cross: Allah Allah Allah lamma sabactanii...