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annanicole
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9/14/2015 5:42:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/14/2015 5:12:34 AM, bills_friend wrote:
Does God or Alcoholics Anonymous make you sober?

Absolutely not. I have looked into it extensively, and I can assure you that every well-constructed study with controls gives the same results: attendance at AA/NA/etc does not even reduce alcohol/drug intake, much less eliminate it. I refer you to the Cochrane Study, a sort-of "study of the studies", in which the Cochrane Foundation analyzed studies regarding the efficacy of AA. Forced attendance is even worse.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
bills_friend
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9/14/2015 7:28:44 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/14/2015 5:42:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:12:34 AM, bills_friend wrote:
Does God or Alcoholics Anonymous make you sober?

Absolutely not. I have looked into it extensively, and I can assure you that every well-constructed study with controls gives the same results: attendance at AA/NA/etc does not even reduce alcohol/drug intake, much less eliminate it. I refer you to the Cochrane Study, a sort-of "study of the studies", in which the Cochrane Foundation analyzed studies regarding the efficacy of AA. Forced attendance is even worse. : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?
annanicole
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9/14/2015 12:50:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/14/2015 7:28:44 AM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:42:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:12:34 AM, bills_friend wrote:
Does God or Alcoholics Anonymous make you sober?

Absolutely not. I have looked into it extensively, and I can assure you that every well-constructed study with controls gives the same results: attendance at AA/NA/etc does not even reduce alcohol/drug intake, much less eliminate it. I refer you to the Cochrane Study, a sort-of "study of the studies", in which the Cochrane Foundation analyzed studies regarding the efficacy of AA. Forced attendance is even worse. : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

Not through a quack "program" like AA. Does God make them drunk?
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
Electric-Eccentric
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9/14/2015 1:12:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
you people are silly with your invisible things and parrot programming that you seek.

why not leave all the childish ways behind and "get REAL"?

yes, I do know WHY you don't choose to "get REAL",

it's because invisible make believe Gods and made up sci-fi theories are far more FUN.

so tell me this, people...

are YOU having as much FUN as you expected from what you viewed as reality in the past and the now?

or does the REAL FUN come at some unknown future date and maybe another place that is mostly unknown?

or are you mostly building pyramids for invisible things and modern advancement of poisons and pollution as a daydreaming slave in debt might?

Noah didn't need any AA crutches as he had power tools and a plan.
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
bills_friend
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9/14/2015 3:15:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/14/2015 12:50:33 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 7:28:44 AM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:42:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:12:34 AM, bills_friend wrote:
Does God or Alcoholics Anonymous make you sober?

Absolutely not. I have looked into it extensively, and I can assure you that every well-constructed study with controls gives the same results: attendance at AA/NA/etc does not even reduce alcohol/drug intake, much less eliminate it. I refer you to the Cochrane Study, a sort-of "study of the studies", in which the Cochrane Foundation analyzed studies regarding the efficacy of AA. Forced attendance is even worse. : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

Not through a quack "program" like AA. Does God make them drunk? : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?
bills_friend
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9/14/2015 3:16:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/14/2015 1:12:47 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
you people are silly with your invisible things and parrot programming that you seek.

why not leave all the childish ways behind and "get REAL"?

yes, I do know WHY you don't choose to "get REAL",

it's because invisible make believe Gods and made up sci-fi theories are far more FUN.

so tell me this, people...


are YOU having as much FUN as you expected from what you viewed as reality in the past and the now?

or does the REAL FUN come at some unknown future date and maybe another place that is mostly unknown?

or are you mostly building pyramids for invisible things and modern advancement of poisons and pollution as a daydreaming slave in debt might?

Noah didn't need any AA crutches as he had power tools and a plan. : :

Noah knew God and his power.
bulproof
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9/14/2015 3:18:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/14/2015 3:15:06 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 12:50:33 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 7:28:44 AM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:42:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:12:34 AM, bills_friend wrote:
Does God or Alcoholics Anonymous make you sober?

Absolutely not. I have looked into it extensively, and I can assure you that every well-constructed study with controls gives the same results: attendance at AA/NA/etc does not even reduce alcohol/drug intake, much less eliminate it. I refer you to the Cochrane Study, a sort-of "study of the studies", in which the Cochrane Foundation analyzed studies regarding the efficacy of AA. Forced attendance is even worse. : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

Not through a quack "program" like AA. Does God make them drunk? : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

No.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
bills_friend
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9/14/2015 3:18:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/14/2015 3:18:12 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:15:06 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 12:50:33 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 7:28:44 AM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:42:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:12:34 AM, bills_friend wrote:
Does God or Alcoholics Anonymous make you sober?

Absolutely not. I have looked into it extensively, and I can assure you that every well-constructed study with controls gives the same results: attendance at AA/NA/etc does not even reduce alcohol/drug intake, much less eliminate it. I refer you to the Cochrane Study, a sort-of "study of the studies", in which the Cochrane Foundation analyzed studies regarding the efficacy of AA. Forced attendance is even worse. : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

Not through a quack "program" like AA. Does God make them drunk? : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

No. : :

Does A.A. make you sober?
annanicole
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9/14/2015 3:45:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/14/2015 3:18:51 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:18:12 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:15:06 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 12:50:33 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 7:28:44 AM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:42:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:12:34 AM, bills_friend wrote:
Does God or Alcoholics Anonymous make you sober?

Absolutely not. I have looked into it extensively, and I can assure you that every well-constructed study with controls gives the same results: attendance at AA/NA/etc does not even reduce alcohol/drug intake, much less eliminate it. I refer you to the Cochrane Study, a sort-of "study of the studies", in which the Cochrane Foundation analyzed studies regarding the efficacy of AA. Forced attendance is even worse. : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

Not through a quack "program" like AA. Does God make them drunk? : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

No. : :

Does A.A. make you sober?

Look, ya idiot, God doesn't "make you sober". God doesn't "make you sober" through AA. AA doesn't "make you sober."

What "makes you sober" is not consuming drugs or alcohol. That'll do it every time.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
bills_friend
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9/14/2015 3:47:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/14/2015 3:45:13 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:18:51 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:18:12 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:15:06 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 12:50:33 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 7:28:44 AM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:42:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:12:34 AM, bills_friend wrote:
Does God or Alcoholics Anonymous make you sober?

Absolutely not. I have looked into it extensively, and I can assure you that every well-constructed study with controls gives the same results: attendance at AA/NA/etc does not even reduce alcohol/drug intake, much less eliminate it. I refer you to the Cochrane Study, a sort-of "study of the studies", in which the Cochrane Foundation analyzed studies regarding the efficacy of AA. Forced attendance is even worse. : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

Not through a quack "program" like AA. Does God make them drunk? : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

No. : :

Does A.A. make you sober?

Look, ya idiot, God doesn't "make you sober". God doesn't "make you sober" through AA. AA doesn't "make you sober."

What "makes you sober" is not consuming drugs or alcohol. That'll do it every time. : :

Should I report you for calling me an idiot?
Electric-Eccentric
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9/14/2015 4:44:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/14/2015 3:16:51 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 1:12:47 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
you people are silly with your invisible things and parrot programming that you seek.

why not leave all the childish ways behind and "get REAL"?

yes, I do know WHY you don't choose to "get REAL",

it's because invisible make believe Gods and made up sci-fi theories are far more FUN.

so tell me this, people...


are YOU having as much FUN as you expected from what you viewed as reality in the past and the now?

or does the REAL FUN come at some unknown future date and maybe another place that is mostly unknown?

or are you mostly building pyramids for invisible things and modern advancement of poisons and pollution as a daydreaming slave in debt might?

Noah didn't need any AA crutches as he had power tools and a plan. : :

Noah knew God and his power.

EE: as do I as I sip on a cold Budweiser the KING of beers.
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
annanicole
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9/14/2015 4:48:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/14/2015 3:47:44 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:45:13 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:18:51 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:18:12 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:15:06 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 12:50:33 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 7:28:44 AM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:42:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:12:34 AM, bills_friend wrote:
Does God or Alcoholics Anonymous make you sober?

Absolutely not. I have looked into it extensively, and I can assure you that every well-constructed study with controls gives the same results: attendance at AA/NA/etc does not even reduce alcohol/drug intake, much less eliminate it. I refer you to the Cochrane Study, a sort-of "study of the studies", in which the Cochrane Foundation analyzed studies regarding the efficacy of AA. Forced attendance is even worse. : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

Not through a quack "program" like AA. Does God make them drunk? : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

No. : :

Does A.A. make you sober?

Look, ya idiot, God doesn't "make you sober". God doesn't "make you sober" through AA. AA doesn't "make you sober."

What "makes you sober" is not consuming drugs or alcohol. That'll do it every time. : :

Should I report you for calling me an idiot?

Be my guest. I'd encourage it.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
bills_friend
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9/14/2015 7:26:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/14/2015 4:48:44 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:47:44 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:45:13 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:18:51 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:18:12 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:15:06 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 12:50:33 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 7:28:44 AM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:42:37 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 9/14/2015 5:12:34 AM, bills_friend wrote:
Does God or Alcoholics Anonymous make you sober?

Absolutely not. I have looked into it extensively, and I can assure you that every well-constructed study with controls gives the same results: attendance at AA/NA/etc does not even reduce alcohol/drug intake, much less eliminate it. I refer you to the Cochrane Study, a sort-of "study of the studies", in which the Cochrane Foundation analyzed studies regarding the efficacy of AA. Forced attendance is even worse. : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

Not through a quack "program" like AA. Does God make them drunk? : :

Does God make an alcoholic sober?

No. : :

Does A.A. make you sober?

Look, ya idiot, God doesn't "make you sober". God doesn't "make you sober" through AA. AA doesn't "make you sober."

What "makes you sober" is not consuming drugs or alcohol. That'll do it every time. : :

Should I report you for calling me an idiot?

Be my guest. I'd encourage it. : :

It helps to be one of the gang.
bills_friend
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9/14/2015 7:27:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/14/2015 4:44:42 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
At 9/14/2015 3:16:51 PM, bills_friend wrote:
At 9/14/2015 1:12:47 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
you people are silly with your invisible things and parrot programming that you seek.

why not leave all the childish ways behind and "get REAL"?

yes, I do know WHY you don't choose to "get REAL",

it's because invisible make believe Gods and made up sci-fi theories are far more FUN.

so tell me this, people...


are YOU having as much FUN as you expected from what you viewed as reality in the past and the now?

or does the REAL FUN come at some unknown future date and maybe another place that is mostly unknown?

or are you mostly building pyramids for invisible things and modern advancement of poisons and pollution as a daydreaming slave in debt might?

Noah didn't need any AA crutches as he had power tools and a plan. : :

Noah knew God and his power.

EE: as do I as I sip on a cold Budweiser the KING of beers. : :

God makes some of his people believe they're alcoholics.