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janesix
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9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Where does your sense of right and wrong come from? Are you just a meat machine, a slave to your genetics and random natural processes that made you who you are?

I like to think my morality comes from a higher source, and not the random evolutionary forces supposed by those who deny a creator.
Chaosism
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9/17/2015 9:06:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
Where does your sense of right and wrong come from? Are you just a meat machine, a slave to your genetics and random natural processes that made you who you are?

Yup. :)

I like to think my morality comes from a higher source, and not the random evolutionary forces supposed by those who deny a creator.

I thought about that, too, but then your morality is not yours. You only have it because it was given to you. We didn't created ourselves, so no matter how you look at it, we were created by something else to be exactly who we are.

On a side note, do you find the concept of theistic evolution is implausible?
janesix
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9/17/2015 10:08:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/17/2015 9:06:45 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
Where does your sense of right and wrong come from? Are you just a meat machine, a slave to your genetics and random natural processes that made you who you are?

Yup. :)

I like to think my morality comes from a higher source, and not the random evolutionary forces supposed by those who deny a creator.

I thought about that, too, but then your morality is not yours. You only have it because it was given to you. We didn't created ourselves, so no matter how you look at it, we were created by something else to be exactly who we are.

On a side note, do you find the concept of theistic evolution is implausible?

No, I don't think theistic evolution is implausible. Although I do see a lot of problems with evolution in general.
bulproof
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9/17/2015 10:12:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/17/2015 10:08:30 PM, janesix wrote:
At 9/17/2015 9:06:45 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
Where does your sense of right and wrong come from? Are you just a meat machine, a slave to your genetics and random natural processes that made you who you are?

Yup. :)

I like to think my morality comes from a higher source, and not the random evolutionary forces supposed by those who deny a creator.

I thought about that, too, but then your morality is not yours. You only have it because it was given to you. We didn't created ourselves, so no matter how you look at it, we were created by something else to be exactly who we are.

On a side note, do you find the concept of theistic evolution is implausible?

No, I don't think theistic evolution is implausible. Although I do see a lot of problems with evolution in general.

Yes namely that you are not so special that you are not dead when you die. You are just an evolved animal like all the rest......................oooooooooooohhh frightening isn't it.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
janesix
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9/17/2015 10:14:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/17/2015 10:12:21 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/17/2015 10:08:30 PM, janesix wrote:
At 9/17/2015 9:06:45 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
Where does your sense of right and wrong come from? Are you just a meat machine, a slave to your genetics and random natural processes that made you who you are?

Yup. :)

I like to think my morality comes from a higher source, and not the random evolutionary forces supposed by those who deny a creator.

I thought about that, too, but then your morality is not yours. You only have it because it was given to you. We didn't created ourselves, so no matter how you look at it, we were created by something else to be exactly who we are.

On a side note, do you find the concept of theistic evolution is implausible?

No, I don't think theistic evolution is implausible. Although I do see a lot of problems with evolution in general.

Yes namely that you are not so special that you are not dead when you die. You are just an evolved animal like all the rest......................oooooooooooohhh frightening isn't it.

Of course I'm an evolved animal. What's so frightening about that?
bulproof
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9/17/2015 10:36:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/17/2015 10:14:07 PM, janesix wrote:
At 9/17/2015 10:12:21 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/17/2015 10:08:30 PM, janesix wrote:
At 9/17/2015 9:06:45 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
Where does your sense of right and wrong come from? Are you just a meat machine, a slave to your genetics and random natural processes that made you who you are?

Yup. :)

I like to think my morality comes from a higher source, and not the random evolutionary forces supposed by those who deny a creator.

I thought about that, too, but then your morality is not yours. You only have it because it was given to you. We didn't created ourselves, so no matter how you look at it, we were created by something else to be exactly who we are.

On a side note, do you find the concept of theistic evolution is implausible?

No, I don't think theistic evolution is implausible. Although I do see a lot of problems with evolution in general.

Yes namely that you are not so special that you are not dead when you die. You are just an evolved animal like all the rest......................oooooooooooohhh frightening isn't it.

Of course I'm an evolved animal. What's so frightening about that?
Because the promise of eternal paradise is linked to the fictional Adam and Eve, they never existed and neither does the paradise.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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9/17/2015 11:49:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
Where does your sense of right and wrong come from? Are you just a meat machine, a slave to your genetics and random natural processes that made you who you are?

I like to think my morality comes from a higher source, and not the random evolutionary forces supposed by those who deny a creator. : :

God didn't make anything right and wrong. He made everything perfectly. The problem His people have is they don't listen to His voice and learn how He created everything. Once you learn how He created everything, then all the good and evil disappears because it's only an illusion that isn't real at all. You will learn that we won't understand the contrast of good and evil in the New Heaven and Earth, which is the next part of His program called Eternal Life. We won't know what entropy means.
janesix
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9/18/2015 6:10:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/17/2015 10:36:51 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/17/2015 10:14:07 PM, janesix wrote:
At 9/17/2015 10:12:21 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/17/2015 10:08:30 PM, janesix wrote:
At 9/17/2015 9:06:45 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
Where does your sense of right and wrong come from? Are you just a meat machine, a slave to your genetics and random natural processes that made you who you are?

Yup. :)

I like to think my morality comes from a higher source, and not the random evolutionary forces supposed by those who deny a creator.

I thought about that, too, but then your morality is not yours. You only have it because it was given to you. We didn't created ourselves, so no matter how you look at it, we were created by something else to be exactly who we are.

On a side note, do you find the concept of theistic evolution is implausible?

No, I don't think theistic evolution is implausible. Although I do see a lot of problems with evolution in general.

Yes namely that you are not so special that you are not dead when you die. You are just an evolved animal like all the rest......................oooooooooooohhh frightening isn't it.

Of course I'm an evolved animal. What's so frightening about that?
Because the promise of eternal paradise is linked to the fictional Adam and Eve, they never existed and neither does the paradise.

I agree.
Otokage
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9/18/2015 6:18:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
I like to think my morality comes from a higher source

I don't.
janesix
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9/18/2015 7:55:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/18/2015 6:18:56 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
I like to think my morality comes from a higher source

I don't.

Where do your morals come from? Did they "evolve"? If so, how?
Otokage
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9/18/2015 8:19:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/18/2015 7:55:19 PM, janesix wrote:
At 9/18/2015 6:18:56 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
I like to think my morality comes from a higher source

I don't.

Where do your morals come from? Did they "evolve"? If so, how?

The capacity of being moral is indeed a product of evolution, as any other behaviour/capacity any life form manifests.

About my particular morals, they are, of course, a result of my life experiences. I have read the Tanakh though, although I must say my morals did not change one bit because of it.
janesix
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9/18/2015 9:36:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/18/2015 8:19:04 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 9/18/2015 7:55:19 PM, janesix wrote:
At 9/18/2015 6:18:56 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
I like to think my morality comes from a higher source

I don't.

Where do your morals come from? Did they "evolve"? If so, how?

The capacity of being moral is indeed a product of evolution, as any other behaviour/capacity any life form manifests.

About my particular morals, they are, of course, a result of my life experiences. I have read the Tanakh though, although I must say my morals did not change one bit because of it.

How did humans evolve altruism?
DanneJeRusse
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9/18/2015 9:47:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
Where does your sense of right and wrong come from? Are you just a meat machine, a slave to your genetics and random natural processes that made you who you are?

I like to think my morality comes from a higher source, and not the random evolutionary forces supposed by those who deny a creator.

So, you've never heard of a brain and how to use it? Someone else needs to tell you how to behave? Just a robot that requires some programming?

That sux.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
janesix
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9/18/2015 9:50:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/18/2015 9:47:42 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
Where does your sense of right and wrong come from? Are you just a meat machine, a slave to your genetics and random natural processes that made you who you are?

I like to think my morality comes from a higher source, and not the random evolutionary forces supposed by those who deny a creator.

So, you've never heard of a brain and how to use it? Someone else needs to tell you how to behave? Just a robot that requires some programming?

That sux.

No one "tells you" how to behave. We are part of the same life force. A part of God.
DanneJeRusse
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9/18/2015 11:44:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/18/2015 9:50:00 PM, janesix wrote:
At 9/18/2015 9:47:42 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
Where does your sense of right and wrong come from? Are you just a meat machine, a slave to your genetics and random natural processes that made you who you are?

I like to think my morality comes from a higher source, and not the random evolutionary forces supposed by those who deny a creator.

So, you've never heard of a brain and how to use it? Someone else needs to tell you how to behave? Just a robot that requires some programming?

That sux.

No one "tells you" how to behave.

You admitted you had to be told, hence you don't know how to use your brain to figure it out yourself.

We are part of the same life force. A part of God.

No, we're not, that's just an irrational belief.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
Otokage
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9/19/2015 12:01:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/18/2015 9:36:53 PM, janesix wrote:
At 9/18/2015 8:19:04 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 9/18/2015 7:55:19 PM, janesix wrote:
At 9/18/2015 6:18:56 PM, Otokage wrote:
At 9/17/2015 8:51:54 PM, janesix wrote:
I like to think my morality comes from a higher source

I don't.

Where do your morals come from? Did they "evolve"? If so, how?

The capacity of being moral is indeed a product of evolution, as any other behaviour/capacity any life form manifests.

About my particular morals, they are, of course, a result of my life experiences. I have read the Tanakh though, although I must say my morals did not change one bit because of it.

How did humans evolve altruism?

I don't think altruism, as a whole, can be explained by a single hypothesis. But if you specify which altruistic situation you have in mind, surely we can come with something logical that fits evolution without much problem.