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9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM
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This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?
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9/22/2015 4:07:49 PM
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At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?
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9/22/2015 7:33:54 PM
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At 9/22/2015 4:07:49 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

It seems I was too vague, sorry.

If abortion is tantamount to killing a potential child, an absurd notion in itself in my opinion, then surely masturbation is just as bad. No?
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9/22/2015 7:38:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

I can say I look forward to the reply from Universal Theologian.

How do the anti-abortionists amongst us view Numbers 5:11-31?

"
The Test for an Unfaithful Wife

11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: "If a man"s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure"or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure" 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 ""The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, "If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband"" 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse""may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries."

""Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."

23 ""The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

29 ""This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin."

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9/22/2015 7:42:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/22/2015 7:38:59 PM, Hitchian wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

I can say I look forward to the reply from Universal Theologian.

How do the anti-abortionists amongst us view Numbers 5:11-31?

"
The Test for an Unfaithful Wife

11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: "If a man"s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure"or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure" 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 ""The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, "If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband"" 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse""may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries."

""Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."

23 ""The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

29 ""This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin."

"

Scripture is meaningless to me, it's not relevant in this day and age. The same book that advoocates slavery and murdering gay people has no place in a debate about morals in 2015. Please write something original, or not at all.
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9/22/2015 7:47:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

Are sperm human life? No the don't have a human genome.

Do natural abortions of human life occur? Yes

Are natural abortions premeditated and by conscious decision? No

If every woman in the world consciously chose to abort thier pregnancies would that end human species? Yes

Do we have a moral obligation to legally address conscious action that harm human life? Yes

So we have a rational and moral reason to be anti induced abortion.
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9/22/2015 7:51:28 PM
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At 9/22/2015 7:47:06 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

Are sperm human life? No the don't have a human genome.

Do natural abortions of human life occur? Yes

Are natural abortions premeditated and by conscious decision? No

If every woman in the world consciously chose to abort thier pregnancies would that end human species? Yes

Do we have a moral obligation to legally address conscious action that harm human life? Yes

So we have a rational and moral reason to be anti induced abortion.

Should men have control over women's bodies?
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9/22/2015 8:03:31 PM
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At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

No, it is an abuse of the sexual faculties.
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9/22/2015 8:05:12 PM
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At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

No it's not. Until the sperm meets the egg, it is not a baby or a human being.
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9/22/2015 8:05:16 PM
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At 9/22/2015 7:51:28 PM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2015 7:47:06 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

Are sperm human life? No the don't have a human genome.

Do natural abortions of human life occur? Yes

Are natural abortions premeditated and by conscious decision? No

If every woman in the world consciously chose to abort thier pregnancies would that end human species? Yes

Do we have a moral obligation to legally address conscious action that harm human life? Yes

So we have a rational and moral reason to be anti induced abortion.

Should men have control over women's bodies?

But women own the bodies of the unborn inside them?
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9/22/2015 8:05:49 PM
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At 9/22/2015 7:33:54 PM, Impartial wrote:
At 9/22/2015 4:07:49 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

It seems I was too vague, sorry.

If abortion is tantamount to killing a potential child, an absurd notion in itself in my opinion, then surely masturbation is just as bad. No?

Abortion is killing a child, not a potential child.
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9/22/2015 8:07:54 PM
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At 9/22/2015 7:51:28 PM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2015 7:47:06 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

Are sperm human life? No the don't have a human genome.

Do natural abortions of human life occur? Yes

Are natural abortions premeditated and by conscious decision? No

If every woman in the world consciously chose to abort thier pregnancies would that end human species? Yes

Do we have a moral obligation to legally address conscious action that harm human life? Yes

So we have a rational and moral reason to be anti induced abortion.

Should men have control over women's bodies?

No, but that question is a red herring. It's like me advocating for a murderer to be put in prison, and you bashing me for trying to control that person.
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9/22/2015 8:08:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/22/2015 7:38:59 PM, Hitchian wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

I can say I look forward to the reply from Universal Theologian.

How do the anti-abortionists amongst us view Numbers 5:11-31?

"
The Test for an Unfaithful Wife

11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: "If a man"s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure"or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure" 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 ""The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, "If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband"" 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse""may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries."

""Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."

23 ""The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

29 ""This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin."

"

Ahh yes, god loves abortion. He performs over sixty percent of all abortions worldwide.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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9/22/2015 8:08:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/22/2015 7:47:06 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

This is the kind of response I was after, one with a bit of thought put into it. Thank you.

Are sperm human life? No the don't have a human genome.

They're living and they all have their own genomes, just like a foetus.

Do natural abortions of human life occur? Yes

If by human life you mean a foetus up to 24 weeks old (in the UK), yes. I wouldn't call it a human life. It's a potential human life.

Are natural abortions premeditated and by conscious decision? No

They can be. There are many natural ways to bring on an abortion.

If every woman in the world consciously chose to abort thier pregnancies would that end human species? Yes

A very odd statement but I agree. Not that they all would...

Do we have a moral obligation to legally address conscious action that harm human life? Yes

I agree. This is the debate though isn't it. My point is that sperm also has the potential to create a human being, just as a foetus does. So do we have a moral obligation to make sure that every man who masturbates must impregnate a woman?

So we have a rational and moral reason to be anti induced abortion.

You have a purely emotional reason to be anti induced abortion because you use the term 'human life' to blur the line between an actual human being and a foetus and even a sperm.
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9/22/2015 8:08:37 PM
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At 9/22/2015 8:03:31 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

No, it is an abuse of the sexual faculties.

Come on, I use baby lotion and am gentle with it.
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9/22/2015 8:09:56 PM
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At 9/22/2015 8:03:31 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

No, it is an abuse of the sexual faculties.

Geogeer, could you please expand on this?
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9/22/2015 8:11:10 PM
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At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

No. Whatever the morality of masturbation, it is not genocide. It does nothing to kill a fertilized sperm-egg combination (known as an embryo).
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9/22/2015 8:11:43 PM
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At 9/22/2015 8:05:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

No it's not. Until the sperm meets the egg, it is not a baby or a human being.
Well it takes a few more months for that process to occur.
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9/22/2015 8:12:17 PM
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At 9/22/2015 8:05:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

No it's not. Until the sperm meets the egg, it is not a baby or a human being.

Why is the time it takes to fertilise an egg, so important in this process?
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9/22/2015 8:14:47 PM
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At 9/22/2015 8:12:17 PM, Impartial wrote:
At 9/22/2015 8:05:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

No it's not. Until the sperm meets the egg, it is not a baby or a human being.

Why is the time it takes to fertilise an egg, so important in this process?

At some point a human life is formed. It's typically after an egg and a sperm meet and become one. I'm not sure what you're asking. I never referred to the time period it takes to fertilize an egg
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9/22/2015 8:15:13 PM
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At 9/22/2015 8:05:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/22/2015 7:33:54 PM, Impartial wrote:
At 9/22/2015 4:07:49 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

It seems I was too vague, sorry.

If abortion is tantamount to killing a potential child, an absurd notion in itself in my opinion, then surely masturbation is just as bad. No?

Abortion is killing a child, not a potential child.

To say that a fertilised egg is a child, is a rather trivial and melodramatic way of looking at it. This is a serious subject.
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9/22/2015 8:15:40 PM
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At 9/22/2015 8:05:16 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 9/22/2015 7:51:28 PM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2015 7:47:06 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

Are sperm human life? No the don't have a human genome.

Do natural abortions of human life occur? Yes

Are natural abortions premeditated and by conscious decision? No

If every woman in the world consciously chose to abort thier pregnancies would that end human species? Yes

Do we have a moral obligation to legally address conscious action that harm human life? Yes

So we have a rational and moral reason to be anti induced abortion.

Should men have control over women's bodies?

But women own the bodies of the unborn inside them?

They own their own bodies, nobody who understands abortion would consider that there is a body inside that someone owns.
You godbotherers really need to get out more or read more or both.
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9/22/2015 8:18:33 PM
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At 9/22/2015 8:11:10 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

No. Whatever the morality of masturbation, it is not genocide. It does nothing to kill a fertilized sperm-egg combination (known as an embryo).

But for those people who think a fertilised egg is a baby, why does it matter if the sperm and egg have fertilised? A fertilised egg has the potential to be a child, but so does a sperm and an egg...
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9/22/2015 8:21:33 PM
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At 9/22/2015 8:15:13 PM, Impartial wrote:
At 9/22/2015 8:05:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/22/2015 7:33:54 PM, Impartial wrote:
At 9/22/2015 4:07:49 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

It seems I was too vague, sorry.

If abortion is tantamount to killing a potential child, an absurd notion in itself in my opinion, then surely masturbation is just as bad. No?

Abortion is killing a child, not a potential child.

To say that a fertilised egg is a child, is a rather trivial and melodramatic way of looking at it. This is a serious subject.

How is it trivial and melodramatic?

Let me ask you a question. Is murder generally wrong? Yes or no?
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9/22/2015 8:21:54 PM
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At 9/22/2015 7:51:28 PM, desmac wrote:
At 9/22/2015 7:47:06 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

Are sperm human life? No the don't have a human genome.

Do natural abortions of human life occur? Yes

Are natural abortions premeditated and by conscious decision? No

If every woman in the world consciously chose to abort thier pregnancies would that end human species? Yes

Do we have a moral obligation to legally address conscious action that harm human life? Yes

So we have a rational and moral reason to be anti induced abortion.

Should men have control over women's bodies?

The fetus is not the womans body it is a seperate human life in a stage of human development cuased by the actions of the woman having sex.

Even if the sex was unconsensual does that mean the human life who had no decision in the matter forfeit their life? No.

Ofcourse my reasoning and comments had nothing to do with sex. Had nothing to do with men controlling a woman's body. Just society regulating conscious actions that harm human life. Such regulations are applied to men as well.

Are you of such sheep koolaid poisoned intellect that every issue is seen throuh a lens of sex, race or sexuality? Is that how small your comprehension of reality is?

Don't answer. You've demonstrated fully you can't address your rebuttals to the premises I make. Troll much?
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9/22/2015 8:22:31 PM
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At 9/22/2015 8:14:47 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/22/2015 8:12:17 PM, Impartial wrote:
At 9/22/2015 8:05:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

No it's not. Until the sperm meets the egg, it is not a baby or a human being.

Why is the time it takes to fertilise an egg, so important in this process?

At some point a human life is formed.

It's called an embryo.

It's typically after an egg and a sperm meet and become one. I'm not sure what you're asking. I never referred to the time period it takes to fertilize an egg.

Why not before fertilisation? Procreation happens many hours before. Surely that is the act of creating a human life as your god intended. Isn't that why the religious are so against contraception?
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9/22/2015 8:22:57 PM
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At 9/22/2015 8:09:56 PM, Impartial wrote:
At 9/22/2015 8:03:31 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

No, it is an abuse of the sexual faculties.

Geogeer, could you please expand on this?

An act of abortion is the killing of a new human after the gametes (sperm & ovum) have joined. To kill an egg or a sperm is not murder because they are potential humans - they have the potential to join and create a new human being.

Sex is an act that naturally fulfills two primary goals.
1) Procreation
2) Unity of the couple

As masturbation accomplishes neither of these natural ends, it is by definition an abuse of the natural functions of sex.
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9/22/2015 8:23:43 PM
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At 9/22/2015 8:18:33 PM, Impartial wrote:
At 9/22/2015 8:11:10 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

No. Whatever the morality of masturbation, it is not genocide. It does nothing to kill a fertilized sperm-egg combination (known as an embryo).

But for those people who think a fertilised egg is a baby, why does it matter if the sperm and egg have fertilised? A fertilised egg has the potential to be a child, but so does a sperm and an egg...

It's separate entities when separated, when they come together they become one single entity. I'm not the atoms of my body when they are separated, only when they are together.
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9/22/2015 8:25:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/22/2015 8:22:31 PM, Impartial wrote:
At 9/22/2015 8:14:47 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/22/2015 8:12:17 PM, Impartial wrote:
At 9/22/2015 8:05:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/22/2015 3:53:41 PM, Impartial wrote:
This is for the anti abortion lot. Is masturbation (on its own) essentially genocide?

No it's not. Until the sperm meets the egg, it is not a baby or a human being.

Why is the time it takes to fertilise an egg, so important in this process?

At some point a human life is formed.

It's called an embryo.

Who cares what it's called? Whether it's called embryo or teenager or the elderly?

It's typically after an egg and a sperm meet and become one. I'm not sure what you're asking. I never referred to the time period it takes to fertilize an egg.

Why not before fertilisation? Procreation happens many hours before. Surely that is the act of creating a human life as your god intended. Isn't that why the religious are so against contraception?

I'm atheist, and I would absolutely destroy you in an abortion debate.
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9/22/2015 8:28:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/22/2015 8:22:57 PM, Geogeer wrote:

Sex is an act that naturally fulfills two primary goals.
1) Procreation
2) Unity of the couple

As masturbation accomplishes neither of these natural ends, it is by definition an abuse of the natural functions of sex.

I think by your own definition masturbation doesn't qualify as sex. But you've got some explaining to do:

1 ) Why doesn't the Bible ever mention masturbation, let alone condem it? ( coitus interruptus is not the same thing, not by any stretch)

2 ) Why do most primates masturbate?