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9/23/2015 10:15:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
~The ISIS- troubling in between factual woes~

- extreme sectarian group with such extreme ideas that Al-Qaeda divorced it
- estimated to have a net worth of over $2 billion with funding from "sources" in KSA, Kuwait and Qatar, all strong regional allies of USA (subservient to its will?)
- was initially ISI (Islamic State in Iraq) which was born out of the US invasion of Iraq(?)
- leader Abu-Baker al Baghdadi is a little known shadowy figure who is hardly ever pictured and relies on audio rather than video messages. The little known history of Mr Baghdadi includes him being a highly qualified individual who served time in the infamous American "terror" prisons. He was released quietly by the US after which he became active in ISIS.
- US Vice President Joe Biden suggested division of Iraq a few years back into sunni, shia and Kurdish states. This is exactly what"s happening now with ISIS focusing on capturing mainly sunni areas while the Kurds have already attained significant autonomy. [Although USA denied Biden"s statement after the ensuing outcry, many journalists and writers continue to vouch for its validity. This should help you start putting pieces together.]
- "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant", where Levant consists of Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, and parts of southern Turkey, not the so-called state of Israel?
- ISIS hyperactive ideology for shia-sunni conflicting divide & aggressive in arousing intolerance as depicted by media they use [strategy unleashed like elimination of the Ottoman "Khilafat" using the divide and rule policy along racial lines between Arabs and Turks!]
- ISIS's supportive social network working without any effective blockage policy?
- "Global ire" over the deaths of three Israeli occupiers in occupied Palestinian territory [though no mention if deaths of 15 Palestinians lost to the attention of the Imperialist powers]. Yet USA so calm over the ISIS threat to Israel [though having concerns over Iran"s nuclear program threat to Israel?]
- USA even denied air-support to the Iraqi government against ISIS, citing potential civilian damage as this never prevented the USA before, not in its air raids on Iraq itself, not during the drone strikes in Pakistan and not in its bombing campaigns elsewhere[?]
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
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9/23/2015 10:37:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
- ISIS was and is not funded by anyone nor by KSA and friends.
- ISIS was born due to invasion by USA and friends.
- USA constantly drop bombs to ISIS areas. That's why Shia militia able to seize Tiikrit with assisting by USA air forces. USA also help Kurds took over Kobane with their bombs from aircrafts.
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9/23/2015 11:05:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/23/2015 10:37:38 AM, uncung wrote:
- ISIS was and is not funded by anyone nor by KSA and friends.

- ISIS was born due to invasion by USA and friends.

Exactly when? ISIS has existed since the 1980's.

- USA constantly drop bombs to ISIS areas. That's why Shia militia able to seize Tiikrit with assisting by USA air forces. USA also help Kurds took over Kobane with their bombs from aircrafts.
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9/23/2015 1:33:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/23/2015 11:05:02 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 9/23/2015 10:37:38 AM, uncung wrote:
- ISIS was and is not funded by anyone nor by KSA and friends.

- ISIS was born due to invasion by USA and friends.

Exactly when? ISIS has existed since the 1980's.
That's 1999 when Zarqawi's JTJ started out in Jordan, whose attacks are noted dire after 2003 Iraq invasion & rising in 2004, most of which are on Iraq's nationals guards or civilians. But since 2007, JTJ gained rapid popularity as ISIS which was known as ISI before then.

Point is; Zarqawi reportedly declared: "Shiites should be executed", & same motto is ISIS using for urging its network. If shities claim due to ISIS that Sunnis are killing us, it would be as lame as claiming, Islam is such & so because ISIS is doing so.

- USA constantly drop bombs to ISIS areas. That's why Shia militia able to seize Tiikrit with assisting by USA air forces. USA also help Kurds took over Kobane with their bombs from aircrafts.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
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9/23/2015 2:04:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/23/2015 1:33:24 PM, Dazz wrote:
At 9/23/2015 11:05:02 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 9/23/2015 10:37:38 AM, uncung wrote:
- ISIS was and is not funded by anyone nor by KSA and friends.

- ISIS was born due to invasion by USA and friends.

Exactly when? ISIS has existed since the 1980's.
That's 1999 when Zarqawi's JTJ started out in Jordan, whose attacks are noted dire after 2003 Iraq invasion & rising in 2004, most of which are on Iraq's nationals guards or civilians. But since 2007, JTJ gained rapid popularity as ISIS which was known as ISI before then.

Point is; Zarqawi reportedly declared: "Shiites should be executed", & same motto is ISIS using for urging its network. If shities claim due to ISIS that Sunnis are killing us, it would be as lame as claiming, Islam is such & so because ISIS is doing so.

- USA constantly drop bombs to ISIS areas. That's why Shia militia able to seize Tiikrit with assisting by USA air forces. USA also help Kurds took over Kobane with their bombs from aircrafts.

Perhaps because Zarqawi followed the hadith where Prophet Muhammad commanded muslims to eradicate Syiah.
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9/23/2015 2:15:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/23/2015 2:04:33 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/23/2015 1:33:24 PM, Dazz wrote:
At 9/23/2015 11:05:02 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 9/23/2015 10:37:38 AM, uncung wrote:
- ISIS was and is not funded by anyone nor by KSA and friends.

- ISIS was born due to invasion by USA and friends.

Exactly when? ISIS has existed since the 1980's.
That's 1999 when Zarqawi's JTJ started out in Jordan, whose attacks are noted dire after 2003 Iraq invasion & rising in 2004, most of which are on Iraq's nationals guards or civilians. But since 2007, JTJ gained rapid popularity as ISIS which was known as ISI before then.

Point is; Zarqawi reportedly declared: "Shiites should be executed", & same motto is ISIS using for urging its network. If shities claim due to ISIS that Sunnis are killing us, it would be as lame as claiming, Islam is such & so because ISIS is doing so.

- USA constantly drop bombs to ISIS areas. That's why Shia militia able to seize Tiikrit with assisting by USA air forces. USA also help Kurds took over Kobane with their bombs from aircrafts.


Perhaps because Zarqawi followed the hadith where Prophet Muhammad commanded muslims to eradicate Syiah.
I really don't know what you're imaging. Before you refer anything to My Prophet [peace & blessing be upon him], let's talk within your caliber of understanding. Going against Muslim governments for mutiny, blasting in Muslim markets and public places, & mosques [not for syias but to sunnis also] & then still proclaiming, it's for Islamic cause, is hilarious argument.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
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9/23/2015 2:32:08 PM
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Perhaps because Zarqawi followed the hadith where Prophet Muhammad commanded muslims to eradicate Syiah.
I really don't know what you're imaging. Before you refer anything to My Prophet [peace & blessing be upon him], let's talk within your caliber of understanding. Going against Muslim governments for mutiny, blasting in Muslim markets and public places, & mosques [not for syias but to sunnis also] & then still proclaiming, it's for Islamic cause, is hilarious argument.

Against the government, destroying the mosques, markets, and so on are not always the bad things in Islamic sense. They are justified when they deserve it.
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9/23/2015 2:56:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/23/2015 2:32:08 PM, uncung wrote:
Perhaps because Zarqawi followed the hadith where Prophet Muhammad commanded muslims to eradicate Syiah.
I really don't know what you're imaging. Before you refer anything to My Prophet [peace & blessing be upon him], let's talk within your caliber of understanding. Going against Muslim governments for mutiny, blasting in Muslim markets and public places, & mosques [not for syias but to sunnis also] & then still proclaiming, it's for Islamic cause, is hilarious argument.

Against the government, destroying the mosques, markets, and so on are not always the bad things in Islamic sense. They are justified when they deserve it.

Once again, you provide more reasons why Islam is dangerous as it allows Muslims to commit acts of violence because they perceive the justification for it. They become judge, jury and executioner simply because of a "clause" in Islam allowing them to do so. What they should obviously see as morally reprehensible on one hand becomes a justification for violence on the other.

Islam must be reformed, and one of the first things it requires is the removal of all clauses that allow any acts of violence.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/23/2015 3:43:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/23/2015 2:56:16 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/23/2015 2:32:08 PM, uncung wrote:
Perhaps because Zarqawi followed the hadith where Prophet Muhammad commanded muslims to eradicate Syiah.
I really don't know what you're imaging. Before you refer anything to My Prophet [peace & blessing be upon him], let's talk within your caliber of understanding. Going against Muslim governments for mutiny, blasting in Muslim markets and public places, & mosques [not for syias but to sunnis also] & then still proclaiming, it's for Islamic cause, is hilarious argument.

Against the government, destroying the mosques, markets, and so on are not always the bad things in Islamic sense. They are justified when they deserve it.

Once again, you provide more reasons why Islam is dangerous as it allows Muslims to commit acts of violence because they perceive the justification for it. They become judge, jury and executioner simply because of a "clause" in Islam allowing them to do so. What they should obviously see as morally reprehensible on one hand becomes a justification for violence on the other.

Islam must be reformed, and one of the first things it requires is the removal of all clauses that allow any acts of violence. : :

The reformers who started the Protestant churches helped stop the Vatican's lies and judgment that it performed over those who rejected the Roman Catholic Church. All you have to do is ask native Americans how the Christians came to their lands to steal and kill in the name of their Jesus.
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9/23/2015 3:54:20 PM
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Against the government, destroying the mosques, markets, and so on are not always the bad things in Islamic sense. They are justified when they deserve it.

Once again, you provide more reasons why Islam is dangerous as it allows Muslims to commit acts of violence because they perceive the justification for it. They become judge, jury and executioner simply because of a "clause" in Islam allowing them to do so. What they should obviously see as morally reprehensible on one hand becomes a justification for violence on the other.

Islam must be reformed, and one of the first things it requires is the removal of all clauses that allow any acts of violence.

Yes, Islam is dangerous towards the disbelievers, the sinners and their helpers or who ever collaborate with them in opposing Islam.
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9/23/2015 4:08:47 PM
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At 9/23/2015 3:54:20 PM, uncung wrote:

Against the government, destroying the mosques, markets, and so on are not always the bad things in Islamic sense. They are justified when they deserve it.

Once again, you provide more reasons why Islam is dangerous as it allows Muslims to commit acts of violence because they perceive the justification for it. They become judge, jury and executioner simply because of a "clause" in Islam allowing them to do so. What they should obviously see as morally reprehensible on one hand becomes a justification for violence on the other.

Islam must be reformed, and one of the first things it requires is the removal of all clauses that allow any acts of violence.

Yes, Islam is dangerous towards the disbelievers, the sinners and their helpers or who ever collaborate with them in opposing Islam.

So, you are in favor of violence, no surprise there. And, you didn't even read what I said, which was about reform, not opposition. You are a prime example of why Islam in it's current form is dangerous.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/23/2015 4:11:21 PM
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Yes, Islam is dangerous towards the disbelievers, the sinners and their helpers or who ever collaborate with them in opposing Islam.

So, you are in favor of violence, no surprise there. And, you didn't even read what I said, which was about reform, not opposition. You are a prime example of why Islam in it's current form is dangerous.

Violence is not always the bad thing just like the justified killing of Osama bin Laden.
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9/23/2015 4:28:42 PM
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At 9/23/2015 4:11:21 PM, uncung wrote:
Yes, Islam is dangerous towards the disbelievers, the sinners and their helpers or who ever collaborate with them in opposing Islam.

So, you are in favor of violence, no surprise there. And, you didn't even read what I said, which was about reform, not opposition. You are a prime example of why Islam in it's current form is dangerous.

Violence is not always the bad thing just like the justified killing of Osama bin Laden.

So, you equate the destruction of mosques and markets with the killing of a mass murderer? In other words, the clause in Islam to justify violence is far reaching and widespread as opposed to the elimination of mass murderers? For you, there is no difference?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/23/2015 4:31:53 PM
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Violence is not always the bad thing just like the justified killing of Osama bin Laden.

So, you equate the destruction of mosques and markets with the killing of a mass murderer? In other words, the clause in Islam to justify violence is far reaching and widespread as opposed to the elimination of mass murderers? For you, there is no difference?

They are not equal what soever, they belong to their own justified reasons.
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9/23/2015 4:54:16 PM
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At 9/23/2015 4:31:53 PM, uncung wrote:
Violence is not always the bad thing just like the justified killing of Osama bin Laden.

So, you equate the destruction of mosques and markets with the killing of a mass murderer? In other words, the clause in Islam to justify violence is far reaching and widespread as opposed to the elimination of mass murderers? For you, there is no difference?

They are not equal what soever, they belong to their own justified reasons.

According to you they are the same. You will use violence to solve whatever problems you can justify with violence, that is the problem with Islam and why it needs reform.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/23/2015 4:55:06 PM
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At 9/23/2015 4:33:10 PM, uncung wrote:
I mean each brings its own justification.

And, you will always find justification to use violence, hence the problem.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/23/2015 5:39:03 PM
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At 9/23/2015 4:55:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/23/2015 4:33:10 PM, uncung wrote:
I mean each brings its own justification.

And, you will always find justification to use violence, hence the problem.

Yes the violence can be justified.
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9/23/2015 5:39:26 PM
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They are not equal what soever, they belong to their own justified reasons.

According to you they are the same. You will use violence to solve whatever problems you can justify with violence, that is the problem with Islam and why it needs reform.

Do you mean killing Osama by USA is the same with killing the people by ISIS?
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9/23/2015 5:56:54 PM
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At 9/23/2015 5:39:03 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/23/2015 4:55:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/23/2015 4:33:10 PM, uncung wrote:
I mean each brings its own justification.

And, you will always find justification to use violence, hence the problem.

Yes the violence can be justified.

And, that's why Islam is very dangerous, thank you for making that point.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/23/2015 5:58:21 PM
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At 9/23/2015 5:56:54 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/23/2015 5:39:03 PM, uncung wrote:
At 9/23/2015 4:55:06 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/23/2015 4:33:10 PM, uncung wrote:
I mean each brings its own justification.

And, you will always find justification to use violence, hence the problem.

Yes the violence can be justified.

And, that's why Islam is very dangerous, thank you for making that point.

Exactly.
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9/23/2015 6:00:45 PM
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At 9/23/2015 5:39:26 PM, uncung wrote:
They are not equal what soever, they belong to their own justified reasons.

According to you they are the same. You will use violence to solve whatever problems you can justify with violence, that is the problem with Islam and why it needs reform.

Do you mean killing Osama by USA is the same with killing the people by ISIS?

ISIS is the problem of Muslims and they should be doing something about it so that the US doesn't have to step in, but they're cowards when it comes to dealing with that. There are a total of 5 million soldiers in the combined Muslim countries in and around where ISIS has established itself, yet there are only 30,000 ISIS soldiers.

5 million Muslim soldiers against 30,000 ISIS soldiers, yet the Muslim soldiers run away like cowards.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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9/23/2015 6:09:29 PM
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At 9/23/2015 4:31:53 PM, uncung wrote:
Violence is not always the bad thing just like the justified killing of Osama bin Laden.

So, you equate the destruction of mosques and markets with the killing of a mass murderer? In other words, the clause in Islam to justify violence is far reaching and widespread as opposed to the elimination of mass murderers? For you, there is no difference?

They are not equal what soever, they belong to their own justified reasons.

All religios will find justification for killing people.
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9/23/2015 6:12:36 PM
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At 9/23/2015 2:56:16 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/23/2015 2:32:08 PM, uncung wrote:
Perhaps because Zarqawi followed the hadith where Prophet Muhammad commanded muslims to eradicate Syiah.
I really don't know what you're imaging. Before you refer anything to My Prophet [peace & blessing be upon him], let's talk within your caliber of understanding. Going against Muslim governments for mutiny, blasting in Muslim markets and public places, & mosques [not for syias but to sunnis also] & then still proclaiming, it's for Islamic cause, is hilarious argument.

Against the government, destroying the mosques, markets, and so on are not always the bad things in Islamic sense. They are justified when they deserve it.

Once again, you provide more reasons why Islam is dangerous as it allows Muslims to commit acts of violence because they perceive the justification for it. They become judge, jury and executioner simply because of a "clause" in Islam allowing them to do so. What they should obviously see as morally reprehensible on one hand becomes a justification for violence on the other.
Thanks for explanation. They became jury & thus implying their fault over Islam is a huge generalization.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
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9/23/2015 6:14:13 PM
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At 9/23/2015 2:32:08 PM, uncung wrote:
Perhaps because Zarqawi followed the hadith where Prophet Muhammad commanded muslims to eradicate Syiah.
I really don't know what you're imaging. Before you refer anything to My Prophet [peace & blessing be upon him], let's talk within your caliber of understanding. Going against Muslim governments for mutiny, blasting in Muslim markets and public places, & mosques [not for syias but to sunnis also] & then still proclaiming, it's for Islamic cause, is hilarious argument.

Against the government, destroying the mosques, markets, and so on are not always the bad things in Islamic sense. They are justified when they deserve it.
You know I'm talking about market where I shop. May be some day I invite you there too.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
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9/23/2015 6:15:29 PM
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At 9/23/2015 6:09:29 PM, desmac wrote:
At 9/23/2015 4:31:53 PM, uncung wrote:
Violence is not always the bad thing just like the justified killing of Osama bin Laden.

So, you equate the destruction of mosques and markets with the killing of a mass murderer? In other words, the clause in Islam to justify violence is far reaching and widespread as opposed to the elimination of mass murderers? For you, there is no difference?

They are not equal what soever, they belong to their own justified reasons.

All religios will find justification for killing people.

Topic is ISIS.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
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9/23/2015 6:26:28 PM
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At 9/23/2015 6:00:45 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 9/23/2015 5:39:26 PM, uncung wrote:
They are not equal what soever, they belong to their own justified reasons.

According to you they are the same. You will use violence to solve whatever problems you can justify with violence, that is the problem with Islam and why it needs reform.

Do you mean killing Osama by USA is the same with killing the people by ISIS?

ISIS is the problem of Muslims and they should be doing something about it so that the US doesn't have to step in, but they're cowards when it comes to dealing with that. There are a total of 5 million soldiers in the combined Muslim countries in and around where ISIS has established itself, yet there are only 30,000 ISIS soldiers.

5 million Muslim soldiers against 30,000 ISIS soldiers, yet the Muslim soldiers run away like cowards.
Wow, what if most developed & high-tech armies don't want it to happen? Can't they do it more earlier? Or they really don't want to eradicate it because they're the master-minds back? Label the cowardliness where the capacity to exercise your plan exists more effectively, yet they're failed. Why? That's exactly the OP.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~