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9/24/2015 2:36:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Hello brothers & sisters,

Due to the abysmal state the Religion Forum has been suffering from for a long while now, this is an initiative aimed at pumping the life back into it & awakening its true purpose. Called, the [Truce] initiative.

The Religion Forum holds the most discussions & hosts the most number of users, yet it is the nastiest, messiest, trashiest section in the entire website. You all know what I am talking about, this place is basically a sh*thole!

.
= Purpose of the Religion Forum =

- The main purposes of this forum are:
1. Interfaith dialogue.
2. Religious exchange.
3. Religious exploration.

.
= Purpose of the [Truce] initiative =

- Subsequently, this initiative has 3 purposes:
1. Tolerance with the other.
2. Awareness of the other's beliefs.
3. Betterment of the self.
=> With these three goals achieved, the Religion Forum will reach its true potential. That is, creating a healthy & fruitful environment for interfaith dialogue & religious exchange.

.
= Format of the [Truce] initiative =

- Every thread the title of which starts or ends with the word [Truce] will be deemed part of the [Truce] initiative. Example, if the Topic "Objective morality argument" starts with [Truce], i.e. "[Truce] Objective morality argument", it will be considered a [Truce] thread, thus will be subject to its regulations.

- The [Truce] initiative will consist of 3 categories of threads:
1. Dialogue threads.
2. Theme threads.
3. Social threads.

1. Dialogue threads: aimed for general discussions about all the various Religion-related topics. Labeled: [Truce_D], or simply: [Truce].

2. Theme threads: where comments submitted by members from various religious background have to do with the proposed theme of the thread. labeled: [Truce_T].
(+) Examples of themes:
* Love & Compassion, in which case, members from different backgrounds get to express their religion's stance on the subject. For instance, christians would bring up quotes from the Bible about Love & Compassion ; muslims would mention quotes from the Qur'an ; hindus, quotes from their scriptures or by their icons...etc. Members may express their own stance on the subject as well.
* Parents.
* Neighbours.
* Charity.
* War.
* God.
* Sacrifice.
* Justice & Fairness.
* Piety.
...etc.
=> The purpose of the Theme threads is sharing one's beliefs & learning about other's, to bring people together. No criticism or arguments are allowed.

3. Social threads: aimed at socialising with & knowing more about other members & their beliefs. Labeled: [Truce_S].

.
= Clauses of the [Truce] initiative =

+ The purposes of the [Truce] initiative shall be sought after.
+ The format of the [Truce] initiative shall be respected.
+ There shall be no insults. Anyone who makes a hateful comment (such as saying, "idiot") shall either apologise, or will + be subject to the same insult from the whole community.
+ Every post shall start with greetings & shall end with "peace".
+ Every person shall be referred to as "brother [x]", "sister [x]" or "dear [x]"... We are all brothers in humanity!
+ Every off-topic post shall be ignored. Every troll shall be reported by the whole community.
+ None shall speak for other than his own faith, past or present, unless to defend another's. Catholics, past or present, shall speak for Catholicism, muslims for Islam, atheists for Atheism, & so on.
+ Every reference shall be sourced when requested. Every claim shall be established when demanded.
+ Every inquiry shall be assisted by the concerned party. Every inquiry post shall specify the relevant mentions: "inquiry", or "issue" ; & "party concerned"...
+ Every criticism shall be substantiated & justified. Every critical post shall specify the relevant mentions: "claim", "evidence" ; & "justification" or "reasoning"...
+ Everyone shall attempt to have pride in one's beliefs & open-mindedness to other's beliefs.

.
= The [Truce] Hall =

- A specific thread that will incorporate links to all [Truce] threads. This is to facilitate access within the religious Forum. No need to scroll through all the terrible topics in the Religion Forum to find what you're looking for. Topics should range from spiritual to intellectual to worldly issues.
- At the end of each month, based on the degree of preservation (or not) of the purposes of the [Truce] initiative, two polls will be created for:
1. The best [Truce] participant, who will be included in the [Truce] Hall of Fame.
2. The worst [Truce] participant, who will be included in the [Truce] Hall of Notoriety.

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=> More?

- If you have any suggestions or questions, please go ahead. Had enough of the Religion Forum & want to participate in this initiative? Sign up with a comment.
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UniversalTheologian
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9/24/2015 2:39:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Good luck in your endeavor. I hope that it produces good fruit.
"There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true." ~ Niels Bohr

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer
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9/24/2015 2:41:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 2:36:14 AM, Yassine wrote:
Hello brothers & sisters,

Due to the abysmal state the Religion Forum has been suffering from for a long while now, this is an initiative aimed at pumping the life back into it & awakening its true purpose. Called, the [Truce] initiative.

The Religion Forum holds the most discussions & hosts the most number of users, yet it is the nastiest, messiest, trashiest section in the entire website. You all know what I am talking about, this place is basically a sh*thole!

.
= Purpose of the Religion Forum =

- The main purposes of this forum are:
1. Interfaith dialogue.
2. Religious exchange.
3. Religious exploration.

.
= Purpose of the [Truce] initiative =

- Subsequently, this initiative has 3 purposes:
1. Tolerance with the other.
2. Awareness of the other's beliefs.
3. Betterment of the self.
=> With these three goals achieved, the Religion Forum will reach its true potential. That is, creating a healthy & fruitful environment for interfaith dialogue & religious exchange.

.
= Format of the [Truce] initiative =

- Every thread the title of which starts or ends with the word [Truce] will be deemed part of the [Truce] initiative. Example, if the Topic "Objective morality argument" starts with [Truce], i.e. "[Truce] Objective morality argument", it will be considered a [Truce] thread, thus will be subject to its regulations.

- The [Truce] initiative will consist of 3 categories of threads:
1. Dialogue threads.
2. Theme threads.
3. Social threads.

1. Dialogue threads: aimed for general discussions about all the various Religion-related topics. Labeled: [Truce_D], or simply: [Truce].

2. Theme threads: where comments submitted by members from various religious background have to do with the proposed theme of the thread. labeled: [Truce_T].
(+) Examples of themes:
* Love & Compassion, in which case, members from different backgrounds get to express their religion's stance on the subject. For instance, christians would bring up quotes from the Bible about Love & Compassion ; muslims would mention quotes from the Qur'an ; hindus, quotes from their scriptures or by their icons...etc. Members may express their own stance on the subject as well.
* Parents.
* Neighbours.
* Charity.
* War.
* God.
* Sacrifice.
* Justice & Fairness.
* Piety.
...etc.
=> The purpose of the Theme threads is sharing one's beliefs & learning about other's, to bring people together. No criticism or arguments are allowed.

3. Social threads: aimed at socialising with & knowing more about other members & their beliefs. Labeled: [Truce_S].

.
= Clauses of the [Truce] initiative =

+ The purposes of the [Truce] initiative shall be sought after.
+ The format of the [Truce] initiative shall be respected.
+ There shall be no insults. Anyone who makes a hateful comment (such as saying, "idiot") shall either apologise, or will + be subject to the same insult from the whole community.
+ Every post shall start with greetings & shall end with "peace".
+ Every person shall be referred to as "brother [x]", "sister [x]" or "dear [x]"... We are all brothers in humanity!
+ Every off-topic post shall be ignored. Every troll shall be reported by the whole community.
+ None shall speak for other than his own faith, past or present, unless to defend another's. Catholics, past or present, shall speak for Catholicism, muslims for Islam, atheists for Atheism, & so on.
+ Every reference shall be sourced when requested. Every claim shall be established when demanded.
+ Every inquiry shall be assisted by the concerned party. Every inquiry post shall specify the relevant mentions: "inquiry", or "issue" ; & "party concerned"...
+ Every criticism shall be substantiated & justified. Every critical post shall specify the relevant mentions: "claim", "evidence" ; & "justification" or "reasoning"...
+ Everyone shall attempt to have pride in one's beliefs & open-mindedness to other's beliefs.

.
= The [Truce] Hall =

- A specific thread that will incorporate links to all [Truce] threads. This is to facilitate access within the religious Forum. No need to scroll through all the terrible topics in the Religion Forum to find what you're looking for. Topics should range from spiritual to intellectual to worldly issues.
- At the end of each month, based on the degree of preservation (or not) of the purposes of the [Truce] initiative, two polls will be created for:
1. The best [Truce] participant, who will be included in the [Truce] Hall of Fame.
2. The worst [Truce] participant, who will be included in the [Truce] Hall of Notoriety.

.
=> More?

- If you have any suggestions or questions, please go ahead. Had enough of the Religion Forum & want to participate in this initiative? Sign up with a comment. : :

The Lord has spoken, "There will be no peace in this world until all the inhabitants on this earth have been killed".
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9/24/2015 2:41:50 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 2:39:31 AM, UniversalTheologian wrote:
Good luck in your endeavor. I hope that it produces good fruit.

- Hello brother. You interested?

Peace.
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9/24/2015 2:45:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 2:36:14 AM, Yassine wrote:
The Religion Forum holds the most discussions & hosts the most number of users, yet it is the nastiest, messiest, trashiest section in the entire website. You all know what I am talking about, this place is basically a sh*thole!

I agree.

= Purpose of the Religion Forum =

- The main purposes of this forum are:
1. Interfaith dialogue.
2. Religious exchange.
3. Religious exploration.

I agree with that too.

= Purpose of the [Truce] initiative =

- Subsequently, this initiative has 3 purposes:
1. Tolerance with the other.
2. Awareness of the other's beliefs.
3. Betterment of the self.
=> With these three goals achieved, the Religion Forum will reach its true potential. That is, creating a healthy & fruitful environment for interfaith dialogue & religious exchange.

Sounds good.

= Format of the [Truce] initiative =

- Every thread the title of which starts or ends with the word [Truce] will be deemed part of the [Truce] initiative. Example, if the Topic "Objective morality argument" starts with [Truce], i.e. "[Truce] Objective morality argument", it will be considered a [Truce] thread, thus will be subject to its regulations.

Interesting idea.

- The [Truce] initiative will consist of 3 categories of threads:
1. Dialogue threads.
2. Theme threads.
3. Social threads.

1. Dialogue threads: aimed for general discussions about all the various Religion-related topics. Labeled: [Truce_D], or simply: [Truce].

2. Theme threads: where comments submitted by members from various religious background have to do with the proposed theme of the thread. labeled: [Truce_T].
(+) Examples of themes:
* Love & Compassion, in which case, members from different backgrounds get to express their religion's stance on the subject. For instance, christians would bring up quotes from the Bible about Love & Compassion ; muslims would mention quotes from the Qur'an ; hindus, quotes from their scriptures or by their icons...etc. Members may express their own stance on the subject as well.
* Parents.
* Neighbours.
* Charity.
* War.
* God.
* Sacrifice.
* Justice & Fairness.
* Piety.
...etc.
=> The purpose of the Theme threads is sharing one's beliefs & learning about other's, to bring people together. No criticism or arguments are allowed.

3. Social threads: aimed at socialising with & knowing more about other members & their beliefs. Labeled: [Truce_S].

This is an interesting idea. There are some aspects of it I don't agree with, but it's coming from exactly the right place, and the ends towards which the idea is oriented is highly necessary.

You have in the past been a provocateur of hostility, as have I. If you are wiling to make the leap in good faith, then I'll do the same. I think that's fair. It may take time to figure out how to make this work, but I think that this is a step in the right direction nevertheless.

There will be nay-sayers, of course. I expect that.

In any event, actions speak louder than words.
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9/24/2015 3:00:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 2:45:47 AM, YYW wrote:

Hi brother YYW,

This is an interesting idea. There are some aspects of it I don't agree with, but it's coming from exactly the right place, and the ends towards which the idea is oriented is highly necessary.

- Share your thoughts with us. This is supposed to be a group initiative. What would you change or add?

You have in the past been a provocateur of hostility, as have I.

- I am hostile against Ignorance, particularly of my own religion. I have always been interested in sincere dialogue. I have never attacked any religion or religious beliefs. On the contrary, when I see fellow muslims use Bible quotes to attack Christians I warn them that it's not allowed. I even once forfeited a debate because I felt I had to quote the Bible to prove my point, which I didn't like to do.

If you are wiling to make the leap in good faith, then I'll do the same.

- This is a good start. Clean slate.

I think that's fair. It may take time to figure out how to make this work, but I think that this is a step in the right direction nevertheless.

- I welcome any suggestions.

There will be nay-sayers, of course. I expect that.

- I tried to minimise the troll ratio by adding the rules you see above. If you think other rules might help as well, share with us.

In any event, actions speak louder than words.

- True.

Peace.
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9/24/2015 3:00:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 2:41:50 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 9/24/2015 2:39:31 AM, UniversalTheologian wrote:
Good luck in your endeavor. I hope that it produces good fruit.

- Hello brother. You interested?

Peace.

If it keeps the atheist troll bots from spamming threads with their foolishness, it might allow some meaningful dialog, which I would be more interested in.

Also, I can see this especially benefiting Muslims, because they unfortunately have to deal not only with the troll bots, but Christians who have been convinced by all the propaganda they've been fed that anything to do with Islam is satanic.
"There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true." ~ Niels Bohr

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer
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9/24/2015 3:04:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 3:00:09 AM, UniversalTheologian wrote:

If it keeps the atheist troll bots from spamming threads with their foolishness, it might allow some meaningful dialog, which I would be more interested in.

- Atheist trolls might be more prevalent, but there are trolls from every corner.

Also, I can see this especially benefiting Muslims, because they unfortunately have to deal not only with the troll bots, but Christians who have been convinced by all the propaganda they've been fed that anything to do with Islam is satanic.

- This should benefit all parties. Although Muslims & Islam are the most misunderstood among all others, but they are not many in this Forum. So, Christians & others will probably benefit more.

Peace.
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9/24/2015 9:48:31 AM
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In other words can those nasty atheists, free thinkers, etc etc stop putting our religious beliefs under scrutiny and pointing out the double standards, ad hoc rationalisations, lack of evidence etc etc in regards to various religious propositions.
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9/24/2015 11:27:31 AM
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Now if you can just get those pesky atheists to give up their right to free speech, everyone will be happy.
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9/24/2015 12:53:59 PM
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At 9/24/2015 9:48:31 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:

In other words can those nasty atheists, free thinkers, etc etc stop putting our religious beliefs under scrutiny and pointing out the double standards, ad hoc rationalisations, lack of evidence etc etc in regards to various religious propositions.

- There is nothing wrong with thinking & reasoning based on evidence. That's what interfaith dialogue is all about. The problem arises when dialogue & exchange of ideas is replaced by ignorance, name calling & pointing fingers.
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9/24/2015 12:54:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 11:27:31 AM, desmac wrote:
Now if you can just get those pesky atheists to give up their right to free speech, everyone will be happy.

- You maybe. They certainly wouldn't.
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9/24/2015 3:36:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 3:00:08 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 9/24/2015 2:45:47 AM, YYW wrote:

Hi brother YYW,

This is an interesting idea. There are some aspects of it I don't agree with, but it's coming from exactly the right place, and the ends towards which the idea is oriented is highly necessary.

- Share your thoughts with us. This is supposed to be a group initiative. What would you change or add?

You have in the past been a provocateur of hostility, as have I.

- I am hostile against Ignorance, particularly of my own religion. I have always been interested in sincere dialogue. I have never attacked any religion or religious beliefs. On the contrary, when I see fellow muslims use Bible quotes to attack Christians I warn them that it's not allowed. I even once forfeited a debate because I felt I had to quote the Bible to prove my point, which I didn't like to do.

If you are wiling to make the leap in good faith, then I'll do the same.

- This is a good start. Clean slate.

I think that's fair. It may take time to figure out how to make this work, but I think that this is a step in the right direction nevertheless.

- I welcome any suggestions.

There will be nay-sayers, of course. I expect that.

- I tried to minimise the troll ratio by adding the rules you see above. If you think other rules might help as well, share with us.

In any event, actions speak louder than words.

- True.

Peace.

I'm sorry, but there's no way I'm going to be able to take posts seriously where people are addressing each other as "brother" and prefixing/suffixing everything they say with pleasantries. The general idea is good, but those two rules, specifically, are a bit much...
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9/24/2015 4:24:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Greetings!

I noticed, Yassine, you made no mention of intellectual honesty, something that everyone gets accused and is behind much of the driving force of discontent and malice.

Could you please formulate what you would understand as being intellectually honest and how the community will handle such cases in your rules? Thank you.

Peace
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9/24/2015 6:35:34 PM
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The idea of someone who denies the existence of Truth being honest is patently ridiculous.
"There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true." ~ Niels Bohr

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer
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9/24/2015 6:45:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 6:35:34 PM, UniversalTheologian wrote:
The idea of someone who denies the existence of Truth being honest is patently ridiculous.

Greetings!

First of all, you didn't start your post with "Greetings".
Secondly, you made a claim but never followed through with supporting it.
And lastly, you never ended your post with "Peace"

So, who has denied the existence of truth? If I may provide a definition for you...

Truth:

- that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
- a fact or belief that is accepted as true.

Peace
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9/24/2015 9:26:36 PM
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At 9/24/2015 3:36:24 PM, Romanii wrote:

Greetings,

I'm sorry, but there's no way I'm going to be able to take posts seriously where people are addressing each other as "brother" and prefixing/suffixing everything they say with pleasantries. The general idea is good, but those two rules, specifically, are a bit much...

- The rule I mentioned reads: "Every person shall be referred to as "brother [x]", "sister [x]" or "dear [x]" ... etc". You don't have to refer to your interlocutor as "brother", you can chose your own respectful manner to address him/her. You can say for instance, Mr. [x] or the like as well. The idea is to push ourselves to be civil in our manners. Politeness helps, greatly, dialogue. The Religion Forum is tense enough, anything that helps cool it down a little bit is good. Btw, I am well aware you're of the more civil & reasonable persons in this Forum.

Peace.
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9/24/2015 9:33:40 PM
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While an interesting idea, it does rely greatly on people in order to work. DDO already encourages cordial discussion and calm debate, however in an unchecked anonymous forum that falls away as soon as someone decides to be a tw@. This is a further extension of formality that has the same weakness, you'd be better able to do this if you hosted your own website and can enforce these rules personally.

Also, the unwarranted referral of strangers by familial titles is off-putting to many people. It may be different to whatever culture you surround yourself with, I apologise but I don't know you from Adam, but in the mainstream it's not socially appropriate.
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9/24/2015 9:37:43 PM
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At 9/24/2015 4:24:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Hello brother,

I noticed, Yassine, you made no mention of intellectual honesty, something that everyone gets accused and is behind much of the driving force of discontent and malice.

- My attempts at the format & regulation of the [Truce] initiative have to do with the environment of the threads, not their content. That is because contents are disputed & diversified. Plus, people make mistakes, & they have different levels of intellect & understanding. We don't wanna exclude anyone who is willing to be polite from participating.

- However, there are rules that deal with the issue you brought up:
+ Every reference shall be sourced when requested. Every claim shall be established when demanded.
+ Every criticism shall be substantiated & justified. Every critical post shall specify the relevant mentions: "claim", "evidence" ; & "justification" or "reasoning"...
=> If someone commits intellectual dishonesty, then he should either provide the source or establish the argument when asked to do so.
=> If someone is criticising the other or the other's idea, then he should bring along proof for his criticism.

Could you please formulate what you would understand as being intellectually honest and how the community will handle such cases in your rules? Thank you.

- Why don't you tell me how you would do it?

Peace.
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9/24/2015 9:48:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 9:33:40 PM, MaxSterling wrote:

Hi there,

While an interesting idea, it does rely greatly on people in order to work. DDO already encourages cordial discussion and calm debate, however in an unchecked anonymous forum that falls away as soon as someone decides to be a tw@.

- Indeed. All this falls down to the group initiative of the community here. If many chose to participate, they'll be willing to act against those who violate the rules & thus minimising these violations. For instance, if a number of people are willing to participate in a such a thread, then, by putting pressure on those who use derogatory words they'll insure an environment where members can participate without having to insult anyone or be insulted by anyone.

This is a further extension of formality that has the same weakness, you'd be better able to do this if you hosted your own website and can enforce these rules personally.

- True. But, we can also try that here. Moderators can help out, I think.

Also, the unwarranted referral of strangers by familial titles is off-putting to many people. It may be different to whatever culture you surround yourself with, I apologise but I don't know you from Adam, but in the mainstream it's not socially appropriate.

- As I said before. You don't have to use "brother" while addressing another. You can use your own respectful or formal reference, such as, Mr. X.

Peace.
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9/24/2015 9:55:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 9:48:35 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 9/24/2015 9:33:40 PM, MaxSterling wrote:

Hi there,

While an interesting idea, it does rely greatly on people in order to work. DDO already encourages cordial discussion and calm debate, however in an unchecked anonymous forum that falls away as soon as someone decides to be a tw@.

- Indeed. All this falls down to the group initiative of the community here. If many chose to participate, they'll be willing to act against those who violate the rules & thus minimising these violations. For instance, if a number of people are willing to participate in a such a thread, then, by putting pressure on those who use derogatory words they'll insure an environment where members can participate without having to insult anyone or be insulted by anyone.
While the threat of social ostracism would work in a more personal context, it isn't much of a deterrent when any one of us can hold dozens of accounts for whatever motive. Perhaps if you organised a regular event a few people could moderate in real time, such as a hangout, then I would say all you would have to bring here is possible discussion topics for the group to discuss.
This is a further extension of formality that has the same weakness, you'd be better able to do this if you hosted your own website and can enforce these rules personally.

- True. But, we can also try that here. Moderators can help out, I think.
I'd like to reiterate that I'm not against the idea.
Also, the unwarranted referral of strangers by familial titles is off-putting to many people. It may be different to whatever culture you surround yourself with, I apologise but I don't know you from Adam, but in the mainstream it's not socially appropriate.

- As I said before. You don't have to use "brother" while addressing another. You can use your own respectful or formal reference, such as, Mr. X.

Peace.
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9/24/2015 11:32:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I'll do it, but none of that formal stuff. I keep it loose-goosey, bra.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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9/25/2015 1:13:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 11:32:34 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

Greetings, Brother Skeppy.

I'll do it, but none of that formal stuff. I keep it loose-goosey, bra.

Brother Skeppy, I'll have you know that the formalities are absolutely essential to the success of this program! Loose-gooseyness is precisely what has brought the religion forum down to where it currently is.

Peace.
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9/25/2015 1:30:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 9:37:43 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 9/24/2015 4:24:13 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

Hello brother,

I noticed, Yassine, you made no mention of intellectual honesty, something that everyone gets accused and is behind much of the driving force of discontent and malice.

- My attempts at the format & regulation of the [Truce] initiative have to do with the environment of the threads, not their content. That is because contents are disputed & diversified. Plus, people make mistakes, & they have different levels of intellect & understanding. We don't wanna exclude anyone who is willing to be polite from participating.

- However, there are rules that deal with the issue you brought up:
+ Every reference shall be sourced when requested. Every claim shall be established when demanded.
+ Every criticism shall be substantiated & justified. Every critical post shall specify the relevant mentions: "claim", "evidence" ; & "justification" or "reasoning"...
=> If someone commits intellectual dishonesty, then he should either provide the source or establish the argument when asked to do so.
=> If someone is criticising the other or the other's idea, then he should bring along proof for his criticism.

Greetings. That is fair enough, thanks for the clarification. Peace

Could you please formulate what you would understand as being intellectually honest and how the community will handle such cases in your rules? Thank you.

- Why don't you tell me how you would do it?

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9/25/2015 1:37:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/25/2015 1:13:35 AM, Romanii wrote:
At 9/24/2015 11:32:34 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

Greetings, Brother Skeppy.

I'll do it, but none of that formal stuff. I keep it loose-goosey, bra.

Brother Skeppy, I'll have you know that the formalities are absolutely essential to the success of this program! Loose-gooseyness is precisely what has brought the religion forum down to where it currently is.

Peace.

Alright, I'll draw on my moral nihilism and general Hobbesian views of human nature.

I will address everyone as 'marginally conscious meatbag born of accident and toil x' and end every post with 'the fact that life is nasty, brutish and short without a militant source of authority makes peace ultimately unobtainable'.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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9/25/2015 4:10:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/24/2015 11:32:34 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

Hi brother Skeppy,

I'll do it, but none of that formal stuff. I keep it loose-goosey, bra.

- The point is being polite & showing politeness, unless you think there are other better ways to improve dialogue;

Peace.
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9/25/2015 9:52:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/25/2015 4:10:04 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 9/24/2015 11:32:34 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:

Hi brother Skeppy,

I'll do it, but none of that formal stuff. I keep it loose-goosey, bra.

- The point is being polite & showing politeness, unless you think there are other better ways to improve dialogue;

Peace.

It would seem to be more like everyone needing to respect any nonsense that someone posts, simply because you and they consider they have a right to post nonsense without being called on that nonsense.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin