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Madeline1698
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9/30/2015 8:31:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I hate how if a christian kills 15 people, everyone says "Oh he was mentally ill" but if a satanist kills even 2 people everyone says "Satanists are evil, and we have to protect the children from such evil." I know quiet a few satanists and I am a satanist myself, and trust me satanism isn't at all about killing. Satanism is about loving yourself, and loving Satan, and Satanism can be misinterpreted and used as an excuse to kill just like every other religion in existence. Just because you don't understand why I am a satanist doesn't mean that there for i must be evil and want to kill. At the very least before you judge someone on their religion people should talk to someone of that religion.
Be kind and fair.
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9/30/2015 8:33:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/30/2015 8:31:46 PM, Madeline1698 wrote:
I hate how if a christian kills 15 people, everyone says "Oh he was mentally ill" but if a satanist kills even 2 people everyone says "Satanists are evil, and we have to protect the children from such evil." I know quiet a few satanists and I am a satanist myself, and trust me satanism isn't at all about killing. Satanism is about loving yourself, and loving Satan, and Satanism can be misinterpreted and used as an excuse to kill just like every other religion in existence. Just because you don't understand why I am a satanist doesn't mean that there for i must be evil and want to kill. At the very least before you judge someone on their religion people should talk to someone of that religion.

Ok then. WHY are you a satanist?
I am a huge asSSS!
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9/30/2015 8:42:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/30/2015 8:31:46 PM, Madeline1698 wrote:
I am a satanist doesn't mean that there for i must be evil and want to kill.
What is evil, Madeline? Why is it undesirable (if it is), and how is it best avoided?
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9/30/2015 8:44:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I'm going to assume that this is pertaining to LaVeyan Satanism, in which case, it is atheistic.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

I find their Sins somewhat intriguing. When they refer to "magic", I believe it is just referring to influencing and/or manipulating others. Not literal magic.

1. Stupidity
The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It"s too bad that stupidity isn"t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

2. Pretentiousness
Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn"t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone"s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

3. Solipsism
Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won"t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of "Do unto others as they do unto you." It"s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

4. Self-deceit
It"s in the "Nine Satanic Statements" but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it"s fun, and with awareness. But then, it"s not self-deceit!

5. Herd Conformity
That"s obvious from a Satanic stance. It"s all right to conform to a person"s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6. Lack of Perspective
Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints"know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies
Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it"s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

8. Counterproductive Pride
That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you"ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I"m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

9. Lack of Aesthetics
This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It"s not what"s supposed to be pleasing"it"s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one"s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.
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9/30/2015 9:40:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/30/2015 8:31:46 PM, Madeline1698 wrote:
I hate how if a christian kills 15 people, everyone says "Oh he was mentally ill" but if a satanist kills even 2 people everyone says "Satanists are evil, and we have to protect the children from such evil." I know quiet a few satanists and I am a satanist myself, and trust me satanism isn't at all about killing. Satanism is about loving yourself, and loving Satan, and Satanism can be misinterpreted and used as an excuse to kill just like every other religion in existence. Just because you don't understand why I am a satanist doesn't mean that there for i must be evil and want to kill. At the very least before you judge someone on their religion people should talk to someone of that religion.

What do your beliefs entail?
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9/30/2015 11:22:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/30/2015 8:44:56 PM, Chaosism wrote:
I'm going to assume that this is pertaining to LaVeyan Satanism, in which case, it is atheistic.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

I find their Sins somewhat intriguing. When they refer to "magic", I believe it is just referring to influencing and/or manipulating others. Not literal magic.


Magic is the utilization of belief as a tool. It can also be understood as indirect means to receive results. Magic is a real thing that you will all over the place in day to day life. The world practically runs on magic.

People tend to understand magic as something that defies nature and physics. Quite the contrary, magic is the utilization of physics that is hidden to most people. The common understanding of the concept is superstitious and detached from the reality of things.

The "occult" has to do with the understanding of things that are secret or hidden from the average person. Magic is occultic in the sense that it not only utilizes hidden things, but it also tends to be in a magician's best interest for people to be ignorant about the workings of their craft.

Satanism is the worship of the self. There is an inevitable corruption that comes from this position, which stems from pride. Satanism is inherently prideful. A sincere Satanist is eventually going to come to the inevitable conclusion that the light bringer is not to be mistaken for the light. They are pagans.
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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer
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10/1/2015 12:42:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/30/2015 8:31:46 PM, Madeline1698 wrote:
I hate how if a christian kills 15 people, everyone says "Oh he was mentally ill" but if a satanist kills even 2 people everyone says "Satanists are evil, and we have to protect the children from such evil." I know quiet a few satanists and I am a satanist myself, and trust me satanism isn't at all about killing. Satanism is about loving yourself, and loving Satan, and Satanism can be misinterpreted and used as an excuse to kill just like every other religion in existence. Just because you don't understand why I am a satanist doesn't mean that there for i must be evil and want to kill. At the very least before you judge someone on their religion people should talk to someone of that religion.

You're not a satanist. They are elitest by their very nature and you don't qualify.
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10/1/2015 12:43:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/30/2015 8:40:46 PM, Madeline1698 wrote:
Because it makes me happy, I feel Satan's love and acceptance. It feels right.

This sentence right here tells me you're not Satanic. Get your Joy of Satan psuedo Satanic Asss out of here.
Wylted
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10/1/2015 12:45:28 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/30/2015 8:44:56 PM, Chaosism wrote:
I'm going to assume that this is pertaining to LaVeyan Satanism, in which case, it is atheistic.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

She is probably referring to that Joy of Satan stuff, which is a joke.

I find their Sins somewhat intriguing. When they refer to "magic", I believe it is just referring to influencing and/or manipulating others. Not literal magic.

You're right and wrong. Lesser magic would be manipulating others, while greater magic is manipulating your own psychology.

1. Stupidity
The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It"s too bad that stupidity isn"t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

2. Pretentiousness
Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn"t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone"s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

3. Solipsism
Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won"t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of "Do unto others as they do unto you." It"s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

4. Self-deceit
It"s in the "Nine Satanic Statements" but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it"s fun, and with awareness. But then, it"s not self-deceit!

5. Herd Conformity
That"s obvious from a Satanic stance. It"s all right to conform to a person"s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6. Lack of Perspective
Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints"know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies
Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it"s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

8. Counterproductive Pride
That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you"ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I"m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

9. Lack of Aesthetics
This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It"s not what"s supposed to be pleasing"it"s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one"s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

This list is inaccurate.
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10/1/2015 12:45:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Satanism isn't even a religion. Virtually all Satanists reject God's existence; it's more of a hip philosophy and lifestyle which emulates Satan's example. They use satanic imagery and terminology largely because they enjoy shocking people.
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10/1/2015 12:47:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
There is theistic and atheistic satanists, but the op qualifies as neither. When these individuals start talking of Satan's love it's a classic sign they don't know what they're talking about.
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10/1/2015 3:56:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/30/2015 8:31:46 PM, Madeline1698 wrote:
I hate how if a christian kills 15 people, everyone says "Oh he was mentally ill" but if a satanist kills even 2 people everyone says "Satanists are evil, and we have to protect the children from such evil." I know quiet a few satanists and I am a satanist myself, and trust me satanism isn't at all about killing. Satanism is about loving yourself, and loving Satan, and Satanism can be misinterpreted and used as an excuse to kill just like every other religion in existence. Just because you don't understand why I am a satanist doesn't mean that there for i must be evil and want to kill. At the very least before you judge someone on their religion people should talk to someone of that religion. : :

Satanism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are just like all the other pagan religions of this world. They all love their material possessions that make them feel secure.
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10/1/2015 12:23:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/1/2015 12:45:28 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/30/2015 8:44:56 PM, Chaosism wrote:
I'm going to assume that this is pertaining to LaVeyan Satanism, in which case, it is atheistic.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

She is probably referring to that Joy of Satan stuff, which is a joke.

I find their Sins somewhat intriguing. When they refer to "magic", I believe it is just referring to influencing and/or manipulating others. Not literal magic.

You're right and wrong. Lesser magic would be manipulating others, while greater magic is manipulating your own psychology.

Thank you for the correction.

<snipped out list of sins>
This list is inaccurate.

Really? This is where I got it: http://www.churchofsatan.com...
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10/1/2015 3:08:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/1/2015 12:23:52 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 10/1/2015 12:45:28 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/30/2015 8:44:56 PM, Chaosism wrote:
I'm going to assume that this is pertaining to LaVeyan Satanism, in which case, it is atheistic.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

She is probably referring to that Joy of Satan stuff, which is a joke.

I find their Sins somewhat intriguing. When they refer to "magic", I believe it is just referring to influencing and/or manipulating others. Not literal magic.

You're right and wrong. Lesser magic would be manipulating others, while greater magic is manipulating your own psychology.

Thank you for the correction.

<snipped out list of sins>
This list is inaccurate.

Really? This is where I got it: http://www.churchofsatan.com...

This is the more common list, I'm not sure where that one came from. When somebody says the "9 Satanic Sins" this is what they're usually referring to. http://www.churchofsatan.com...
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10/1/2015 3:16:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/1/2015 3:08:10 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/1/2015 12:23:52 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 10/1/2015 12:45:28 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/30/2015 8:44:56 PM, Chaosism wrote:
I'm going to assume that this is pertaining to LaVeyan Satanism, in which case, it is atheistic.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

She is probably referring to that Joy of Satan stuff, which is a joke.

I find their Sins somewhat intriguing. When they refer to "magic", I believe it is just referring to influencing and/or manipulating others. Not literal magic.

You're right and wrong. Lesser magic would be manipulating others, while greater magic is manipulating your own psychology.

Thank you for the correction.

<snipped out list of sins>
This list is inaccurate.

Really? This is where I got it: http://www.churchofsatan.com...

This is the more common list, I'm not sure where that one came from. When somebody says the "9 Satanic Sins" this is what they're usually referring to. http://www.churchofsatan.com...

From what I've seen, those are the Nine Satanic Statements, which is different from the Nine Satanic Sins, each of which is apart from the Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth. Wiki illustrates this distinction. (https://en.wikipedia.org...)
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10/1/2015 4:22:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The satanic bible was quite a fun read. It certainly appealed to me more than most Christian teachings at the time.
In the end however, it is objectivism mixed with mysticism.
And after some thought, it's some pretty bad ethics.
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