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9/15/2010 9:35:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Pro Choice proponents.

What is the answer to a expecting father when he asks, "but it is my child too"?

I've never actually discussed this with pro choice people before. I don't know what I would do in a situation like this, I was wondering if anyone has thought about this or actually gave an answer to a expecting father. Thanks.
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9/15/2010 9:47:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
It is the woman's body, and ultimately her choice.
The male may have an influence, as it is his sperm that he contributed, but the woman is the one who carries, endures, and ultimately bears the baby.
Her decision is final.
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9/15/2010 10:01:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/15/2010 9:47:53 PM, Atheism wrote:
It is the woman's body, and ultimately her choice.
The male may have an influence, as it is his sperm that he contributed, but the woman is the one who carries, endures, and ultimately bears the baby.
Her decision is final.

Thats's pretty fvcking sick my friend. I generally don't cuss.
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9/15/2010 10:02:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/15/2010 9:47:53 PM, Atheism wrote:
It is the woman's body, and ultimately her choice.
The male may have an influence, as it is his sperm that he contributed, but the woman is the one who carries, endures, and ultimately bears the baby.
Her decision is final.

Oh, sorry. I didn't check you profile before I said that. Any one else.
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9/16/2010 6:40:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/15/2010 9:47:53 PM, Atheism wrote:
It is the woman's body, and ultimately her choice.
No it's not, you own what you are and what you a purchase is made. A woman, presently, cannot create a child by her own faculties, and therefore unless the man sells his sperm to her, it's a duel responsibility of two.
The male may have an influence, as it is his sperm that he contributed, but the woman is the one who carries, endures, and ultimately bears the baby.
She chooses to.
Her decision is final.
Arbitrary.
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9/16/2010 6:42:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/15/2010 10:01:49 PM, jharry wrote:

Thats's pretty fvcking sick my friend. I generally don't cuss.
Avoid, emotional arguments dude. I'd like to see how you respond to other people on site, we have potential baby eaters here.
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9/16/2010 6:46:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 6:42:37 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 9/15/2010 10:01:49 PM, jharry wrote:

Thats's pretty fvcking sick my friend. I generally don't cuss.
Avoid, emotional arguments dude. I'd like to see how you respond to other people on site, we have potential baby eaters here.

Who? My wifey cooks babieested.

In any case I agree with Atheism on this, although I believe that she should take the father into consideration too. Not as much as some are forced to. :,( damn I was supposed to be an abortion but dad wouldn't let her, I'm so pissed he had so much say.
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9/16/2010 6:59:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
IMO the father has just as much say as the mother. Women can not give birth by themselves, so essentially the whole reason why she is pregnant in the first place is because the man gave her sperm. Hence it's the mans child as he is essentially the one that gave it life.
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9/16/2010 7:01:41 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/15/2010 9:35:04 PM, jharry wrote:
Pro Choice proponents.

What is the answer to a expecting father when he asks, "but it is my child too"?

I've never actually discussed this with pro choice people before. I don't know what I would do in a situation like this, I was wondering if anyone has thought about this or actually gave an answer to a expecting father. Thanks.

Naah, you have the obligation to pay for it if it arrives, but no right to decide whether or not it's coming. It's gender equality innit.
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9/16/2010 7:05:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 7:00:21 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 6:47:21 AM, lovelife wrote:
*cooks babiesif anyone is interested

maybe if you lrn2space

My mouse and keyboard both mess up. Sometimes just typing 5 words takes about 10 mins because of it. Then sometimes no problems. -_- makes no sense.

Anyway he would have more say if he had to go through pregnancy/giving birth imo. You can't say he gets just as much say just because he deposited the sperm. Sure in a loving relationship she'd take him into consideration just as much, but ultimately the decision should be her's.
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9/16/2010 7:07:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 7:01:41 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/15/2010 9:35:04 PM, jharry wrote:
Pro Choice proponents.

What is the answer to a expecting father when he asks, "but it is my child too"?

I've never actually discussed this with pro choice people before. I don't know what I would do in a situation like this, I was wondering if anyone has thought about this or actually gave an answer to a expecting father. Thanks.

Naah, you have the obligation to pay for it if it arrives, but no right to decide whether or not it's coming. It's gender equality innit.

Well paying like 5% of your paycheck tends to not be deadly.
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9/16/2010 7:07:51 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 7:05:58 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:00:21 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 6:47:21 AM, lovelife wrote:
*cooks babiesif anyone is interested

maybe if you lrn2space

My mouse and keyboard both mess up. Sometimes just typing 5 words takes about 10 mins because of it. Then sometimes no problems. -_- makes no sense.

Anyway he would have more say if he had to go through pregnancy/giving birth imo. You can't say he gets just as much say just because he deposited the sperm. Sure in a loving relationship she'd take him into consideration just as much, but ultimately the decision should be her's.

Woman+__no man__= no baby
Woman+ man = baby

^^^^Notice the key factor here being MAN.
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9/16/2010 7:15:10 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 7:07:51 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:05:58 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:00:21 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 6:47:21 AM, lovelife wrote:
*cooks babiesif anyone is interested

maybe if you lrn2space

My mouse and keyboard both mess up. Sometimes just typing 5 words takes about 10 mins because of it. Then sometimes no problems. -_- makes no sense.

Anyway he would have more say if he had to go through pregnancy/giving birth imo. You can't say he gets just as much say just because he deposited the sperm. Sure in a loving relationship she'd take him into consideration just as much, but ultimately the decision should be her's.

Woman+__no man__= no baby
Woman+ man = baby

^^^^Notice the key factor here being MAN.

So? Man doesn't have to go through the potentially life threatening process of it <unless you include STDs which are just as risky for either> I'm not just talking about where she might not live long enough to give birth because of it, I'm talking about heart conditions linked directly to child birth <common in my family, for females on my mom's side> PTSD, depression etc. Its easy for the male to say "well whatever I did half of the "work" so I get half say"
I support true gender equality, but with this issue the woman should have more say, since she has to do more, and go through more. Its not even an option for him to go through it instead, so he should have less say then her.
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9/16/2010 7:16:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Saying they should have the same amount of say....
What if she said she wanted it, and he said he didn't, who gets the final say?
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9/16/2010 7:20:53 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 6:46:50 AM, lovelife wrote:
In any case I agree with Atheism on this, although I believe that she should take the father into consideration too. Not as much as some are forced to. :,( damn I was supposed to be an abortion but dad wouldn't let her, I'm so pissed he had so much say.

Me too.
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9/16/2010 7:23:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 7:15:10 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:07:51 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:05:58 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:00:21 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 6:47:21 AM, lovelife wrote:
*cooks babiesif anyone is interested

maybe if you lrn2space

My mouse and keyboard both mess up. Sometimes just typing 5 words takes about 10 mins because of it. Then sometimes no problems. -_- makes no sense.

Anyway he would have more say if he had to go through pregnancy/giving birth imo. You can't say he gets just as much say just because he deposited the sperm. Sure in a loving relationship she'd take him into consideration just as much, but ultimately the decision should be her's.

Woman+__no man__= no baby
Woman+ man = baby

^^^^Notice the key factor here being MAN.

So? Man doesn't have to go through the potentially life threatening process of it <unless you include STDs which are just as risky for either> I'm not just talking about where she might not live long enough to give birth because of it, I'm talking about heart conditions linked directly to child birth <common in my family, for females on my mom's side> PTSD, depression etc. Its easy for the male to say "well whatever I did half of the "work" so I get half say"
I support true gender equality, but with this issue the woman should have more say, since she has to do more, and go through more. Its not even an option for him to go through it instead, so he should have less say then her.

Well I suppose then you have to get down to the point of WHY is she pregnant?

Did the condom break?
Did she forget to take birth control?
Did neither happen and both people were simply careless?

With the 2nd option the man should without a doubt have a choice. If she forgot to take birth control and perhaps didn't tell the man (which is most likely going to happen) then it is in no way the mans fault if she gets pregnant and should then fall into the mans lap about deciding if he wants to terminate.

If the condom broke then yes both should have a say. But definitely the man should have a large say. Why did it break? Most likely because the women did something to cause it to break.. hence it being her fault. Once again it comes down to the man getting decision.

Finally was their no condom, and no birth control. In this case the man should decide. Once again, the woman can't give be pregnant without the man, hence it's the mans choice.
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9/16/2010 7:23:48 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 7:20:53 AM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 9/16/2010 6:46:50 AM, lovelife wrote:
In any case I agree with Atheism on this, although I believe that she should take the father into consideration too. Not as much as some are forced to. :,( damn I was supposed to be an abortion but dad wouldn't let her, I'm so pissed he had so much say.

Me too.

^^^lol 10/10

inb4 LL derails
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9/16/2010 7:26:44 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 7:23:01 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:15:10 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:07:51 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:05:58 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:00:21 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 6:47:21 AM, lovelife wrote:
*cooks babiesif anyone is interested

maybe if you lrn2space

My mouse and keyboard both mess up. Sometimes just typing 5 words takes about 10 mins because of it. Then sometimes no problems. -_- makes no sense.

Anyway he would have more say if he had to go through pregnancy/giving birth imo. You can't say he gets just as much say just because he deposited the sperm. Sure in a loving relationship she'd take him into consideration just as much, but ultimately the decision should be her's.

Woman+__no man__= no baby
Woman+ man = baby

^^^^Notice the key factor here being MAN.

So? Man doesn't have to go through the potentially life threatening process of it <unless you include STDs which are just as risky for either> I'm not just talking about where she might not live long enough to give birth because of it, I'm talking about heart conditions linked directly to child birth <common in my family, for females on my mom's side> PTSD, depression etc. Its easy for the male to say "well whatever I did half of the "work" so I get half say"
I support true gender equality, but with this issue the woman should have more say, since she has to do more, and go through more. Its not even an option for him to go through it instead, so he should have less say then her.

Well I suppose then you have to get down to the point of WHY is she pregnant?

Did the condom break?
Did she forget to take birth control?
Did neither happen and both people were simply careless?

With the 2nd option the man should without a doubt have a choice. If she forgot to take birth control and perhaps didn't tell the man (which is most likely going to happen) then it is in no way the mans fault if she gets pregnant and should then fall into the mans lap about deciding if he wants to terminate.

If the condom broke then yes both should have a say. But definitely the man should have a large say. Why did it break? Most likely because the women did something to cause it to break.. hence it being her fault. Once again it comes down to the man getting decision.

Finally was their no condom, and no birth control. In this case the man should decide. Once again, the woman can't give be pregnant without the man, hence it's the mans choice.

Or the birth control was ineffective.
And no condom breaking and forgetting don't mean he gets more say.

And just so you know I'm not derailing sh*t, I was ignoring his pathetic attempt at making it derail.
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9/16/2010 7:34:47 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 7:26:44 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:23:01 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:15:10 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:07:51 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:05:58 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:00:21 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 6:47:21 AM, lovelife wrote:
*cooks babiesif anyone is interested

maybe if you lrn2space

My mouse and keyboard both mess up. Sometimes just typing 5 words takes about 10 mins because of it. Then sometimes no problems. -_- makes no sense.

Anyway he would have more say if he had to go through pregnancy/giving birth imo. You can't say he gets just as much say just because he deposited the sperm. Sure in a loving relationship she'd take him into consideration just as much, but ultimately the decision should be her's.

Woman+__no man__= no baby
Woman+ man = baby

^^^^Notice the key factor here being MAN.

So? Man doesn't have to go through the potentially life threatening process of it <unless you include STDs which are just as risky for either> I'm not just talking about where she might not live long enough to give birth because of it, I'm talking about heart conditions linked directly to child birth <common in my family, for females on my mom's side> PTSD, depression etc. Its easy for the male to say "well whatever I did half of the "work" so I get half say"
I support true gender equality, but with this issue the woman should have more say, since she has to do more, and go through more. Its not even an option for him to go through it instead, so he should have less say then her.

Well I suppose then you have to get down to the point of WHY is she pregnant?

Did the condom break?
Did she forget to take birth control?
Did neither happen and both people were simply careless?

With the 2nd option the man should without a doubt have a choice. If she forgot to take birth control and perhaps didn't tell the man (which is most likely going to happen) then it is in no way the mans fault if she gets pregnant and should then fall into the mans lap about deciding if he wants to terminate.

If the condom broke then yes both should have a say. But definitely the man should have a large say. Why did it break? Most likely because the women did something to cause it to break.. hence it being her fault. Once again it comes down to the man getting decision.

Finally was their no condom, and no birth control. In this case the man should decide. Once again, the woman can't give be pregnant without the man, hence it's the mans choice.

Or the birth control was ineffective.
And no condom breaking and forgetting don't mean he gets more say.

And just so you know I'm not derailing sh*t, I was ignoring his pathetic attempt at making it derail.

I can't believe you are taking me seriously....
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9/16/2010 7:44:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Aren't women property? Can't the man do what he wishes with his property?
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9/16/2010 7:46:51 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 7:44:42 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
Aren't women property? Can't the man do what he wishes with his property?

Thats what I'm getting at (sort of).

The man owns his sperm, therefore he owns the baby, the baby is now inside the woman so he owns the woman.

his choice
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9/16/2010 7:51:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 7:34:47 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:26:44 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:23:01 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:15:10 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:07:51 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:05:58 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:00:21 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 6:47:21 AM, lovelife wrote:
*cooks babiesif anyone is interested

maybe if you lrn2space

My mouse and keyboard both mess up. Sometimes just typing 5 words takes about 10 mins because of it. Then sometimes no problems. -_- makes no sense.

Anyway he would have more say if he had to go through pregnancy/giving birth imo. You can't say he gets just as much say just because he deposited the sperm. Sure in a loving relationship she'd take him into consideration just as much, but ultimately the decision should be her's.

Woman+__no man__= no baby
Woman+ man = baby

^^^^Notice the key factor here being MAN.

So? Man doesn't have to go through the potentially life threatening process of it <unless you include STDs which are just as risky for either> I'm not just talking about where she might not live long enough to give birth because of it, I'm talking about heart conditions linked directly to child birth <common in my family, for females on my mom's side> PTSD, depression etc. Its easy for the male to say "well whatever I did half of the "work" so I get half say"
I support true gender equality, but with this issue the woman should have more say, since she has to do more, and go through more. Its not even an option for him to go through it instead, so he should have less say then her.

Well I suppose then you have to get down to the point of WHY is she pregnant?

Did the condom break?
Did she forget to take birth control?
Did neither happen and both people were simply careless?

With the 2nd option the man should without a doubt have a choice. If she forgot to take birth control and perhaps didn't tell the man (which is most likely going to happen) then it is in no way the mans fault if she gets pregnant and should then fall into the mans lap about deciding if he wants to terminate.

If the condom broke then yes both should have a say. But definitely the man should have a large say. Why did it break? Most likely because the women did something to cause it to break.. hence it being her fault. Once again it comes down to the man getting decision.

Finally was their no condom, and no birth control. In this case the man should decide. Once again, the woman can't give be pregnant without the man, hence it's the mans choice.

Or the birth control was ineffective.
And no condom breaking and forgetting don't mean he gets more say.

And just so you know I'm not derailing sh*t, I was ignoring his pathetic attempt at making it derail.

I can't believe you are taking me seriously....

I'm not even sure what part I'm not supposed to take seriously.
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9/16/2010 8:09:27 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 7:46:51 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:44:42 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
Aren't women property? Can't the man do what he wishes with his property?

Thats what I'm getting at (sort of).

The man owns his sperm, therefore he owns the baby, the baby is now inside the woman so he owns the woman.

his choice

That makes sense. I think that once he puts his pen!s inside her, whether she wants it there or not, then he owns her!
WOS
: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
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9/16/2010 8:11:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 8:09:27 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:46:51 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:44:42 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
Aren't women property? Can't the man do what he wishes with his property?

Thats what I'm getting at (sort of).

The man owns his sperm, therefore he owns the baby, the baby is now inside the woman so he owns the woman.

his choice

That makes sense. I think that once he puts his pen!s inside her, whether she wants it there or not, then he owns her!

wtf...I have a question. If a guy rapes you does he own you too? lol
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9/16/2010 8:37:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 8:11:16 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 8:09:27 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:46:51 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:44:42 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
Aren't women property? Can't the man do what he wishes with his property?

Thats what I'm getting at (sort of).

The man owns his sperm, therefore he owns the baby, the baby is now inside the woman so he owns the woman.

his choice

That makes sense. I think that once he puts his pen!s inside her, whether she wants it there or not, then he owns her!

wtf...I have a question. If a guy rapes you does he own you too? lol

Pew! That's gay! He can try, though he'll find it quite difficult to do so! Also, how can he find love in a man's harry @ss? I just don't get it?
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: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
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9/16/2010 8:43:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 8:37:35 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 9/16/2010 8:11:16 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 8:09:27 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:46:51 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:44:42 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
Aren't women property? Can't the man do what he wishes with his property?

Thats what I'm getting at (sort of).

The man owns his sperm, therefore he owns the baby, the baby is now inside the woman so he owns the woman.

his choice

That makes sense. I think that once he puts his pen!s inside her, whether she wants it there or not, then he owns her!

wtf...I have a question. If a guy rapes you does he own you too? lol

Pew! That's gay! He can try, though he'll find it quite difficult to do so! Also, how can he find love in a man's harry @ss? I just don't get it?

Doesn't need to be love to be rape.
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9/16/2010 8:48:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 8:09:27 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:46:51 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:44:42 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
Aren't women property? Can't the man do what he wishes with his property?

Thats what I'm getting at (sort of).

The man owns his sperm, therefore he owns the baby, the baby is now inside the woman so he owns the woman.

his choice

That makes sense. I think that once he puts his pen!s inside her, whether she wants it there or not, then he owns her!

Oh without a doubt, he has pretty much marked what is his by even taking his dick out in her presence.
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9/16/2010 9:03:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 8:48:50 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 8:09:27 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:46:51 AM, xxdarkxx wrote:
At 9/16/2010 7:44:42 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
Aren't women property? Can't the man do what he wishes with his property?

Thats what I'm getting at (sort of).

The man owns his sperm, therefore he owns the baby, the baby is now inside the woman so he owns the woman.

his choice

That makes sense. I think that once he puts his pen!s inside her, whether she wants it there or not, then he owns her!

Oh without a doubt, he has pretty much marked what is his by even taking his dick out in her presence.

I guess she does the same by taking her boobs out in his pressence.
Without Royal there is a hole inside of me, I have no choice but to leave