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10/3/2015 11:17:11 AM
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.................... anymore credible than a belief in fairies, goblins, elves and unicorns? There is no verifiable evidence to support the existence of any god.
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10/3/2015 12:05:34 PM
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At 10/3/2015 11:17:11 AM, JJ50 wrote:
.................... anymore credible than a belief in fairies, goblins, elves and unicorns? There is no verifiable evidence to support the existence of any god.

Perhaps they have proofs.
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10/3/2015 12:40:42 PM
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At 10/3/2015 12:05:34 PM, uncung wrote:
At 10/3/2015 11:17:11 AM, JJ50 wrote:
.................... anymore credible than a belief in fairies, goblins, elves and unicorns? There is no verifiable evidence to support the existence of any god.

Perhaps they have proofs.

Well if they have they are very quiet about it, because no substantiated evidence to support the existence of a deity has ever been presented
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10/3/2015 2:13:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Perhaps they have proofs.

Well if they have they are very quiet about it, because no substantiated evidence to support the existence of a deity has ever been presented

God creates us and the universe.
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10/3/2015 3:54:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/3/2015 2:13:26 PM, uncung wrote:
Perhaps they have proofs.

Well if they have they are very quiet about it, because no substantiated evidence to support the existence of a deity has ever been presented

God creates us and the universe.
That is your CLAIM, please provide evidence that supports your CLAIM.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/3/2015 4:00:33 PM
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At 10/3/2015 3:54:54 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/3/2015 2:13:26 PM, uncung wrote:
Perhaps they have proofs.

Well if they have they are very quiet about it, because no substantiated evidence to support the existence of a deity has ever been presented

God creates us and the universe.
That is your CLAIM, please provide evidence that supports your CLAIM.

My scripture says so. let alone if not by God then who created the universe? you can answer it.
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10/3/2015 5:07:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/3/2015 11:17:11 AM, JJ50 wrote:
.................... anymore credible than a belief in fairies, goblins, elves and unicorns? There is no verifiable evidence to support the existence of any god.

Because Jesus actually existed in real life. Those other things do not.
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10/3/2015 5:10:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/3/2015 5:07:57 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 10/3/2015 11:17:11 AM, JJ50 wrote:
.................... anymore credible than a belief in fairies, goblins, elves and unicorns? There is no verifiable evidence to support the existence of any god.

Because Jesus actually existed in real life. Those other things do not.
And you are making claims that you can't support.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/3/2015 5:12:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/3/2015 4:00:33 PM, uncung wrote:
At 10/3/2015 3:54:54 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/3/2015 2:13:26 PM, uncung wrote:
Perhaps they have proofs.

Well if they have they are very quiet about it, because no substantiated evidence to support the existence of a deity has ever been presented

God creates us and the universe.
That is your CLAIM, please provide evidence that supports your CLAIM.


My scripture says so. let alone if not by God then who created the universe? you can answer it.

You may not understand the language I'm using.
If your scripture (written word) says so, then obviously Hogwarts exists.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/3/2015 5:12:45 PM
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If Jesus really was a figure who did not exist, in history it would be expected that some anti-Christian group would have made this known. In reality the most shielded group towards Jesus and early Christianity were the Jews, and ironically, they affirmed Jesus existence when they attempted to accuse the disciples of stealing Jesus" body from the tomb. Also we find Jesus material, and not in his favor, in the Jewish Talmud accusing him of treachery and leading Israel astray. Those that hated Christianity the most had to have discovered that Jesus was a figment of the early Christians imagination if he was, and expose it, and that should have been the end of Christianity. This is not what happened.

They knew for a fact that Jesus existed, and in reality, he was a threat to them.

Jewish polemic shared with Christians the conviction that the sepulcher was empty and then gave natural explanations for the event. Such positive evidence within a nonchristian based source is the heaviest type of evidence.

Let us ask ourselves, why did the Jews attempt to explain away Jesus" tomb if there was no Jesus in the first place? It is simply because Jesus existed.

John Crossan, of the "Radical Jesus" Seminar, writes:

"That he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be."

Gerd Ludemann, known Atheist said this:

"Jesus" death as a result of crucifixion is indisputable."

Quadratus was an Athenian bishop and direct disciple of the actual Apostles. He is often seen as the first Christian apologist because of his defense he gave to Emperor Hadrian during early church history.He points out that some who were healed and resurrected by Jesus lived until modern times. (They would be eye witnesses of the man Jesus)

"The deeds of our Savior were always before you, for they were true miracles. Those that were healed, those that were raised from the dead, who were seen, not only when healed and when raised, but were always present. They remained living a long time, not only while our Lord was on earth, but likewise when he had left the earth. So that some of them have also lived to our own times."
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10/3/2015 5:16:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/3/2015 5:12:40 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/3/2015 4:00:33 PM, uncung wrote:
At 10/3/2015 3:54:54 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/3/2015 2:13:26 PM, uncung wrote:
Perhaps they have proofs.

Well if they have they are very quiet about it, because no substantiated evidence to support the existence of a deity has ever been presented

God creates us and the universe.
That is your CLAIM, please provide evidence that supports your CLAIM.


My scripture says so. let alone if not by God then who created the universe? you can answer it.

You may not understand the language I'm using.
If your scripture (written word) says so, then obviously Hogwarts exists.

Hogs sometimes do have warts. You know this. What does hog warts have to do with God?
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10/3/2015 5:20:34 PM
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At 10/3/2015 5:16:10 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 10/3/2015 5:12:40 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/3/2015 4:00:33 PM, uncung wrote:
At 10/3/2015 3:54:54 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/3/2015 2:13:26 PM, uncung wrote:
Perhaps they have proofs.

Well if they have they are very quiet about it, because no substantiated evidence to support the existence of a deity has ever been presented

God creates us and the universe.
That is your CLAIM, please provide evidence that supports your CLAIM.


My scripture says so. let alone if not by God then who created the universe? you can answer it.

You may not understand the language I'm using.
If your scripture (written word) says so, then obviously Hogwarts exists.

Hogs sometimes do have warts. You know this. What does hog warts have to do with God?

Do you enjoy demonstrating your ignorance of the English language?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/3/2015 5:23:34 PM
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At 10/3/2015 5:12:45 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If Jesus really was a figure who did not exist, in history it would be expected that some anti-Christian group would have made this known. In reality the most shielded group towards Jesus and early Christianity were the Jews, and ironically, they affirmed Jesus existence when they attempted to accuse the disciples of stealing Jesus" body from the tomb. Also we find Jesus material, and not in his favor, in the Jewish Talmud accusing him of treachery and leading Israel astray. Those that hated Christianity the most had to have discovered that Jesus was a figment of the early Christians imagination if he was, and expose it, and that should have been the end of Christianity. This is not what happened.

They knew for a fact that Jesus existed, and in reality, he was a threat to them.

Jewish polemic shared with Christians the conviction that the sepulcher was empty and then gave natural explanations for the event. Such positive evidence within a nonchristian based source is the heaviest type of evidence.

Let us ask ourselves, why did the Jews attempt to explain away Jesus" tomb if there was no Jesus in the first place? It is simply because Jesus existed.

John Crossan, of the "Radical Jesus" Seminar, writes:

"That he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be."

Gerd Ludemann, known Atheist said this:

"Jesus" death as a result of crucifixion is indisputable."

Quadratus was an Athenian bishop and direct disciple of the actual Apostles. He is often seen as the first Christian apologist because of his defense he gave to Emperor Hadrian during early church history.He points out that some who were healed and resurrected by Jesus lived until modern times. (They would be eye witnesses of the man Jesus)

"The deeds of our Savior were always before you, for they were true miracles. Those that were healed, those that were raised from the dead, who were seen, not only when healed and when raised, but were always present. They remained living a long time, not only while our Lord was on earth, but likewise when he had left the earth. So that some of them have also lived to our own times."

Please find at least ONE credible historian who will state categorically that the magical Jesus presented in the great book of nomads ACTUALLY EXISTED.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/3/2015 5:36:45 PM
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Scholars who specialize in the origins of Christianity agree on very little, but they do generally agree that it is most likely that a historical preacher, on whom the Christian figure "Jesus Christ" is based, did exist." The numbers of professional scholars, out of the many thousands in this and related fields, who don't accept this consensus, can be counted on the fingers of one hand."

https://www.quora.com...
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10/3/2015 5:39:28 PM
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At 10/3/2015 5:20:34 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/3/2015 5:16:10 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 10/3/2015 5:12:40 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/3/2015 4:00:33 PM, uncung wrote:
At 10/3/2015 3:54:54 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/3/2015 2:13:26 PM, uncung wrote:
Perhaps they have proofs.

Well if they have they are very quiet about it, because no substantiated evidence to support the existence of a deity has ever been presented

God creates us and the universe.
That is your CLAIM, please provide evidence that supports your CLAIM.


My scripture says so. let alone if not by God then who created the universe? you can answer it.

You may not understand the language I'm using.
If your scripture (written word) says so, then obviously Hogwarts exists.

Hogs sometimes do have warts. You know this. What does hog warts have to do with God?

Do you enjoy demonstrating your ignorance of the English language?

I know what a wart hog is. I also know Harry Potter is.
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10/3/2015 5:40:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/3/2015 5:23:34 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/3/2015 5:12:45 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If Jesus really was a figure who did not exist, in history it would be expected that some anti-Christian group would have made this known. In reality the most shielded group towards Jesus and early Christianity were the Jews, and ironically, they affirmed Jesus existence when they attempted to accuse the disciples of stealing Jesus" body from the tomb. Also we find Jesus material, and not in his favor, in the Jewish Talmud accusing him of treachery and leading Israel astray. Those that hated Christianity the most had to have discovered that Jesus was a figment of the early Christians imagination if he was, and expose it, and that should have been the end of Christianity. This is not what happened.

They knew for a fact that Jesus existed, and in reality, he was a threat to them.

Jewish polemic shared with Christians the conviction that the sepulcher was empty and then gave natural explanations for the event. Such positive evidence within a nonchristian based source is the heaviest type of evidence.

Let us ask ourselves, why did the Jews attempt to explain away Jesus" tomb if there was no Jesus in the first place? It is simply because Jesus existed.

John Crossan, of the "Radical Jesus" Seminar, writes:

"That he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be."

Gerd Ludemann, known Atheist said this:

"Jesus" death as a result of crucifixion is indisputable."

Quadratus was an Athenian bishop and direct disciple of the actual Apostles. He is often seen as the first Christian apologist because of his defense he gave to Emperor Hadrian during early church history.He points out that some who were healed and resurrected by Jesus lived until modern times. (They would be eye witnesses of the man Jesus)

"The deeds of our Savior were always before you, for they were true miracles. Those that were healed, those that were raised from the dead, who were seen, not only when healed and when raised, but were always present. They remained living a long time, not only while our Lord was on earth, but likewise when he had left the earth. So that some of them have also lived to our own times."

Please find at least ONE credible historian who will state categorically that the magical Jesus presented in the great book of nomads ACTUALLY EXISTED.

I am having a beautiful day today. How about you bulproof?
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10/3/2015 5:42:32 PM
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At 10/3/2015 5:40:55 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 10/3/2015 5:23:34 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/3/2015 5:12:45 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If Jesus really was a figure who did not exist, in history it would be expected that some anti-Christian group would have made this known. In reality the most shielded group towards Jesus and early Christianity were the Jews, and ironically, they affirmed Jesus existence when they attempted to accuse the disciples of stealing Jesus" body from the tomb. Also we find Jesus material, and not in his favor, in the Jewish Talmud accusing him of treachery and leading Israel astray. Those that hated Christianity the most had to have discovered that Jesus was a figment of the early Christians imagination if he was, and expose it, and that should have been the end of Christianity. This is not what happened.

They knew for a fact that Jesus existed, and in reality, he was a threat to them.

Jewish polemic shared with Christians the conviction that the sepulcher was empty and then gave natural explanations for the event. Such positive evidence within a nonchristian based source is the heaviest type of evidence.

Let us ask ourselves, why did the Jews attempt to explain away Jesus" tomb if there was no Jesus in the first place? It is simply because Jesus existed.

John Crossan, of the "Radical Jesus" Seminar, writes:

"That he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be."

Gerd Ludemann, known Atheist said this:

"Jesus" death as a result of crucifixion is indisputable."

Quadratus was an Athenian bishop and direct disciple of the actual Apostles. He is often seen as the first Christian apologist because of his defense he gave to Emperor Hadrian during early church history.He points out that some who were healed and resurrected by Jesus lived until modern times. (They would be eye witnesses of the man Jesus)

"The deeds of our Savior were always before you, for they were true miracles. Those that were healed, those that were raised from the dead, who were seen, not only when healed and when raised, but were always present. They remained living a long time, not only while our Lord was on earth, but likewise when he had left the earth. So that some of them have also lived to our own times."

Please find at least ONE credible historian who will state categorically that the magical Jesus presented in the great book of nomads ACTUALLY EXISTED.

I am having a beautiful day today. How about you bulproof?

Well that answered my question.
Thanks.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/3/2015 5:49:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/3/2015 5:42:32 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/3/2015 5:40:55 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 10/3/2015 5:23:34 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/3/2015 5:12:45 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If Jesus really was a figure who did not exist, in history it would be expected that some anti-Christian group would have made this known. In reality the most shielded group towards Jesus and early Christianity were the Jews, and ironically, they affirmed Jesus existence when they attempted to accuse the disciples of stealing Jesus" body from the tomb. Also we find Jesus material, and not in his favor, in the Jewish Talmud accusing him of treachery and leading Israel astray. Those that hated Christianity the most had to have discovered that Jesus was a figment of the early Christians imagination if he was, and expose it, and that should have been the end of Christianity. This is not what happened.

They knew for a fact that Jesus existed, and in reality, he was a threat to them.

Jewish polemic shared with Christians the conviction that the sepulcher was empty and then gave natural explanations for the event. Such positive evidence within a nonchristian based source is the heaviest type of evidence.

Let us ask ourselves, why did the Jews attempt to explain away Jesus" tomb if there was no Jesus in the first place? It is simply because Jesus existed.

John Crossan, of the "Radical Jesus" Seminar, writes:

"That he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be."

Gerd Ludemann, known Atheist said this:

"Jesus" death as a result of crucifixion is indisputable."

Quadratus was an Athenian bishop and direct disciple of the actual Apostles. He is often seen as the first Christian apologist because of his defense he gave to Emperor Hadrian during early church history.He points out that some who were healed and resurrected by Jesus lived until modern times. (They would be eye witnesses of the man Jesus)

"The deeds of our Savior were always before you, for they were true miracles. Those that were healed, those that were raised from the dead, who were seen, not only when healed and when raised, but were always present. They remained living a long time, not only while our Lord was on earth, but likewise when he had left the earth. So that some of them have also lived to our own times."

Please find at least ONE credible historian who will state categorically that the magical Jesus presented in the great book of nomads ACTUALLY EXISTED.

I am having a beautiful day today. How about you bulproof?

Well that answered my question.
Thanks.

I am here for you once you calm down and stop carrying on.
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10/3/2015 10:48:46 PM
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At 10/3/2015 5:49:29 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:

Why can't a world like Harry Potter exist? Even more interesting... what if Paradise to someone is a world like Harry Potter? Would they get this world? I like your defense of Jesus and i think he was a real person... however, i do not think he was any more magical than i am.
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10/4/2015 1:40:16 AM
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My scripture says so. let alone if not by God then who created the universe? you can answer it.

You may not understand the language I'm using.
If your scripture (written word) says so, then obviously Hogwarts exists.

Who is she? Hogwarts?
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10/4/2015 1:41:18 AM
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At 10/3/2015 10:48:46 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 10/3/2015 5:49:29 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:


Why can't a world like Harry Potter exist? Even more interesting... what if Paradise to someone is a world like Harry Potter? Would they get this world? I like your defense of Jesus and i think he was a real person... however, i do not think he was any more magical than i am.

Does she exist?
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10/4/2015 3:38:46 AM
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At 10/3/2015 11:17:11 AM, JJ50 wrote:
.................... anymore credible than a belief in fairies, goblins, elves and unicorns? There is no verifiable evidence to support the existence of any god.

There is plenty of verifiable evidence for the existence of God, depending on one's understanding and definition of "God".

And by the way, there's plenty of verifiable evidence for the existence of fairies, goblins, elves and unicorns, too, depending on how one understands and defines them.
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10/4/2015 3:56:47 AM
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At 10/4/2015 1:40:16 AM, uncung wrote:
My scripture says so. let alone if not by God then who created the universe? you can answer it.

You may not understand the language I'm using.
If your scripture (written word) says so, then obviously Hogwarts exists.

Who is she? Hogwarts?

Hogwarts is a magical place in the Harry Potter movies.
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10/4/2015 4:58:31 AM
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At 10/4/2015 1:41:18 AM, uncung wrote:
At 10/3/2015 10:48:46 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 10/3/2015 5:49:29 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:


Why can't a world like Harry Potter exist? Even more interesting... what if Paradise to someone is a world like Harry Potter? Would they get this world? I like your defense of Jesus and i think he was a real person... however, i do not think he was any more magical than i am.

Does she exist?

Why are you asking me? You are the one that decides.
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10/4/2015 5:14:16 AM
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At 10/3/2015 2:13:26 PM, uncung wrote:
Perhaps they have proofs.

Well if they have they are very quiet about it, because no substantiated evidence to support the existence of a deity has ever been presented

God creates us and the universe.

why do you assume the universe was created?
what created your god?
if your god didn't need a creator, then i find it much more likely that the universe was always here
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10/4/2015 5:18:34 AM
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At 10/3/2015 11:17:11 AM, JJ50 wrote:
.................... anymore credible than a belief in fairies, goblins, elves and unicorns? There is no verifiable evidence to support the existence of any god.

Never heard this one before.

What do you believe in that has this so called "verifiable evidence"?

Are you aware of how often scientist have been wrong in the last 100 years?

Great rock to build on for the next 100 years. Or a normal human life span.

Yeah let me spend my time and conform my life to what some stranger is telling me is "true". A truth that hasn't been the same story in any generation.
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10/4/2015 5:26:56 AM
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At 10/4/2015 5:14:16 AM, DanMGTOW wrote:
At 10/3/2015 2:13:26 PM, uncung wrote:
Perhaps they have proofs.

Well if they have they are very quiet about it, because no substantiated evidence to support the existence of a deity has ever been presented

God creates us and the universe.

why do you assume the universe was created?

Because it isn't infinitely old. We know this because it isn't homogeneous and cold.

what created your god?

Don't be another douche bag.

if your god didn't need a creator, then i find it much more likely that the universe was always here

Those don't even relate. The evidence is against this universe always being here. There is significant indications that the universe came from a single point.
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10/4/2015 7:06:17 AM
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God creates us and the universe.

why do you assume the universe was created?
what created your god?
if your god didn't need a creator, then i find it much more likely that the universe was always here

It is not assumption rather a logic. The organized nature was created by someone that is we call as God.
God was not created. If God was created then the creator of God is the true God.
Universe and God are the two different things. Universe is visionable while God not.
Universe scientifically is proven had a beginning, while God not.