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10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM
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What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.
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10/6/2015 12:24:47 PM
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At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

The biblical view was that the Earth was not in motion. There was a firmament and celestial objects moved across it.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

The universe of the ancient Israelites was made up of a flat disc-shaped earth floating on water, heaven above, underworld below.[6] Humans inhabited earth during life and the underworld after death, and the underworld was morally neutral;[7] only in Hellenistic times (after c.330 BCE) did Jews begin to adopt the Greek idea that it would be a place of punishment for misdeeds, and that the righteous would enjoy an afterlife in heaven.[8] In this period too the older three-level cosmology was widely replaced by the Greek concept of a spherical earth suspended in space at the center of a number of concentric heavens.[6]
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10/6/2015 4:44:04 PM
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At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.
(emphasis mine)

Dee must have stopped reading before the bold part.

The bible does not speak about the motion of the Earth. For 2 reasons, it would have been silly to mention that. First, it is a fact which wold have only confused ancient readers as it was not on topic. The Bible's purpose is not to teach science, though God knew the time would come when people would worship science and thus fall to the fallacy that only empirical science can be truth.

Second, and even more importantly, the information would serve no purpose. Had God wanted to fill the Bible with scientific facts, He could have, but had He done that I'm betting the Bible would have died with the ages and been largely unknown now.

Luckily for us, God put in the Bible what we need, and not what limited, chrono-centric sheeple think should be in it. And it has arguably become the greatest Book ever written.

Hope it goes well for you.
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10/6/2015 5:28:51 PM
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At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources].

Bible doesn"t tell what the center of "solar system" is. And I don"t know any Bible scripture that says that sun orbits earth.
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10/6/2015 7:37:20 PM
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God does all these things. Ultimately, the details are irrelevant to theology. The details are more relevant to those who specialize in these things. You'd be better off asking those people.
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10/6/2015 9:30:38 PM
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At 10/6/2015 12:24:47 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

The biblical view was that the Earth was not in motion. There was a firmament and celestial objects moved across it.
Since there is a fabric of the universe based on current scientific theories, firmament was accurate. We call it plasma which is a result of electromagnatism, which btw, is 33^10 power stronger than gravity, or near that.
https://en.wikipedia.org...

The universe of the ancient Israelites was made up of a flat disc-shaped earth floating on water, heaven above, underworld below.[6] Humans inhabited earth during life and the underworld after death, and the underworld was morally neutral;[7] only in Hellenistic times (after c.330 BCE) did Jews begin to adopt the Greek idea that it would be a place of punishment for misdeeds, and that the righteous would enjoy an afterlife in heaven.[8] In this period too the older three-level cosmology was widely replaced by the Greek concept of a spherical earth suspended in space at the center of a number of concentric heavens.[6]
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10/6/2015 9:33:28 PM
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At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing. : :

The earth wasn't made in the way most people think. It was created as information which has to be processed through a human mind to be able to observe a piece of the earth. If you understand quantum physics, then you will understand the underlined part of verse 2 in Genesis 1.

1 Genesis:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
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10/7/2015 12:11:12 AM
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At 10/6/2015 5:28:51 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources].

Bible doesn"t tell what the center of "solar system" is. And I don"t know any Bible scripture that says that sun orbits earth.

http://rationalwiki.org...

Geocentric is suggested in several Biblical passages, depending on how these passages are interpreted. In order of appearance, the verses are:

Joshua 10:12-13: On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon." So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.

1 Chronicles 16:30: Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Psalm 19:6: It [the sun] rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is hidden from its heat.

Psalm 93:1: The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is established, that it cannot be moved.

Psalm 96:10: Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

Psalm 104:5: (Bless the LORD . . .) Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

Ecclesiastes 1:5: The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
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10/7/2015 2:39:35 AM
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At 10/6/2015 9:33:28 PM, phoungyu wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing. : :

The earth wasn't made in the way most people think. It was created as information which has to be processed through a human mind to be able to observe a piece of the earth. If you understand quantum physics, then you will understand the underlined part of verse 2 in Genesis 1.

1 Genesis:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Dee em doesn't want to think in quantums. Hemight have to consider a creator.
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10/7/2015 4:16:08 AM
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At 10/7/2015 2:39:35 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 10/6/2015 9:33:28 PM, phoungyu wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing. : :

The earth wasn't made in the way most people think. It was created as information which has to be processed through a human mind to be able to observe a piece of the earth. If you understand quantum physics, then you will understand the underlined part of verse 2 in Genesis 1.

1 Genesis:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Dee em doesn't want to think in quantums. Hemight have to consider a creator. : :

God confused all the inhabitants of this earth who cannot keep themselves alive. Information is more important than what most inhabitants believe.
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10/7/2015 8:01:08 PM
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At 10/7/2015 12:11:12 AM, dee-em wrote:
Joshua 10:12-13: On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon." So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.

Also in modern time it is common to say that sun sets and moves on sky. It doesn"t mean that people claim that sun orbits earth. It just tells the matter as it is seen from this point of view.

1 Chronicles 16:30: Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

What means world in that context?

Psalm 19:6: It [the sun] rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is hidden from its heat.

That is what happens. It is not necessary claim about solar system.

Psalm 104:5: (Bless the LORD . . .) Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

And what are foundations of the earth? What would happen to earth, if its foundations would be removed?
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10/7/2015 10:20:24 PM
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At 10/7/2015 8:01:08 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 10/7/2015 12:11:12 AM, dee-em wrote:
Joshua 10:12-13: On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon." So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.

Also in modern time it is common to say that sun sets and moves on sky. It doesn"t mean that people claim that sun orbits earth. It just tells the matter as it is seen from this point of view.

1 Chronicles 16:30: Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

What means world in that context?

Psalm 19:6: It [the sun] rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is hidden from its heat.

That is what happens. It is not necessary claim about solar system.

Psalm 104:5: (Bless the LORD . . .) Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

And what are foundations of the earth? What would happen to earth, if its foundations would be removed?

You need to understand how the ancients, including the Hebrew people, envisaged the universe. The wikipedia article I linked to above had a diagram. Here is another:

http://www.internetmonk.com...

There are references to this cosmology scattered throughout the OT. They are easy to miss or dismiss if you don't understand how they pictured the earth and the heavens.

According to the Harper's Bible Dictionary, "The ancient Hebrews imagined the world as flat and round, covered by the great solid dome of the firmament which was held up by mountain pillars, (Job 26:11; 37:18). The blue color of the sky was attributed to the chaotic waters that the firmament separated from the earth (Gen. 1:7). The earth was thus surrounded by waters above and below (Gen. 1:6,7; cf. Psalms 24:2; 148:4, Deut. 5:8). The firmament was thought to be substantial; it had pillars (Job 26:11) and foundations (2 Sam. 22:8). When the windows of it were opened, rain fell (Gen. 7:11-12; 8:2). The sun, moon, and stars moved across or were fixed in the firmament (Gen. 1:14-19; Ps. 19:4,6). It was also the abode of the birds (Gen. 1:20; Deut. 4:17). Within the earth lay Sheol, the realm of the dead (Num. 16:30-33; Isa. 14:9,15)."

Look up the verses if you like. You can see for yourself that this was the cosmological model of biblical times before the Greeks improved on it a little. The Earth was fixed and immovable and celestial objects tracked across the firmament except for the stars which were somewhat fixed. God appears to have made no effort to correct the Hebrew people in their misconceptions. That may be because God had no input into the Bible. Just saying.
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10/7/2015 11:38:52 PM
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At 10/6/2015 9:30:38 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 10/6/2015 12:24:47 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

The biblical view was that the Earth was not in motion. There was a firmament and celestial objects moved across it.

Since there is a fabric of the universe based on current scientific theories, firmament was accurate. We call it plasma which is a result of electromagnatism, which btw, is 33^10 power stronger than gravity, or near that.

Back in reality land, the ancients believed that the firmament was a solid dome and had gates which were opened regularly to allow the waters above (which gave the sky its blue colour) to fall as rain.

We return you now to the bizarro world of htraE:

https://en.wikipedia.org...
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10/8/2015 2:22:51 AM
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At 10/7/2015 11:38:52 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/6/2015 9:30:38 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 10/6/2015 12:24:47 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

The biblical view was that the Earth was not in motion. There was a firmament and celestial objects moved across it.

Since there is a fabric of the universe based on current scientific theories, firmament was accurate. We call it plasma which is a result of electromagnatism, which btw, is 33^10 power stronger than gravity, or near that.

Back in reality land, the ancients believed that the firmament was a solid dome and had gates which were opened regularly to allow the waters above (which gave the sky its blue colour) to fall as rain.

We return you now to the bizarro world of htraE:

https://en.wikipedia.org...
Back in the world where words have evolved lets consider limited usages of limited words that meant numerous things in ancient times and I once again refer you to current scientific thinking. Plasma is what the fabric of space is now called. I.e. "there is a fabric of space" currently and eventually scientists will, I assume, come up with a more applicable word than "fabric", unless you think in 200 years we will call it denim. Your laughable attempt at translation is enjoyable but shows a complete lack of understanding of the intention of the choice of words. Study ancient civilizations then comeback with something more engaging. Better yet, don't, you have no point.
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10/8/2015 2:35:01 AM
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At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

Motion is relative to the frame of reference.

The bible is written from the human frame of reference here on Earth.
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10/8/2015 2:40:07 AM
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At 10/8/2015 2:35:01 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

Motion is relative to the frame of reference.

The bible is written from the human frame of reference here on Earth.

That would conclude the Bible was written by men and is not the word of God, of course, unless God's reference frame is here on Earth and God doesn't know anything about the universe He allegedly created.
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10/8/2015 2:45:12 AM
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At 10/8/2015 2:35:01 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

Motion is relative to the frame of reference.

The bible is written from the human frame of reference here on Earth.
So it's not god's word at all.
Easy peasy.
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10/8/2015 2:48:15 AM
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At 10/6/2015 9:33:28 PM, phoungyu wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing. : :

The earth wasn't made in the way most people think. It was created as information which has to be processed through a human mind to be able to observe a piece of the earth. If you understand quantum physics, then you will understand the underlined part of verse 2 in Genesis 1.

1 Genesis:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Should be plural "heavens"

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

It is a play on words meant to rhyme. Tohu wa bohu. It is like Timey Wimey or Itsy Bitsy
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10/8/2015 2:49:28 AM
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At 10/8/2015 2:40:07 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/8/2015 2:35:01 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

Motion is relative to the frame of reference.

The bible is written from the human frame of reference here on Earth.

That would conclude the Bible was written by men and is not the word of God, of course, unless God's reference frame is here on Earth and God doesn't know anything about the universe He allegedly created.
They do it all the time.
We tell 'em it was written by ignorant goatherds and they tell us it's the word of god.
We point out a blatant physical error and they claim it's the best ignorant goatherds could come up with.
LMFAO.
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10/8/2015 2:51:59 AM
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At 10/8/2015 2:22:51 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 10/7/2015 11:38:52 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/6/2015 9:30:38 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 10/6/2015 12:24:47 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

The biblical view was that the Earth was not in motion. There was a firmament and celestial objects moved across it.

Since there is a fabric of the universe based on current scientific theories, firmament was accurate. We call it plasma which is a result of electromagnatism, which btw, is 33^10 power stronger than gravity, or near that.

Back in reality land, the ancients believed that the firmament was a solid dome and had gates which were opened regularly to allow the waters above (which gave the sky its blue colour) to fall as rain.

We return you now to the bizarro world of htraE:

https://en.wikipedia.org...
Back in the world where words have evolved lets consider limited usages of limited words that meant numerous things in ancient times and I once again refer you to current scientific thinking. Plasma is what the fabric of space is now called.

Errrm, no.

plasma
noun
1. the colourless fluid part of blood, lymph, or milk, in which corpuscles or fat globules are suspended.
2. an ionized gas consisting of positive ions and free electrons in proportions resulting in more or less no overall electric charge, typically at low pressures (as in the upper atmosphere and in fluorescent lamps) or at very high temperatures (as in stars and nuclear fusion reactors).
"the current passed through a column of plasma"


i.e. "there is a fabric of space" currently and eventually scientists will, I assume, come up with a more applicable word than "fabric", unless you think in 200 years we will call it denim. Your laughable attempt at translation is enjoyable but shows a complete lack of understanding of the intention of the choice of words. Study ancient civilizations then comeback with something more engaging. Better yet, don't, you have no point.

No problem. Lol.
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10/8/2015 2:55:38 AM
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At 10/8/2015 2:35:01 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

Motion is relative to the frame of reference.

The bible is written from the human frame of reference here on Earth.

The first line of the Bible is "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth" Once the Earth is made then the scripture continues from a perspective of Earth.

Just like when you read an English book you don't run into paragraphs about Calculus.

The Bible doesn't have all the details about angels, demons, devil, or Jesus. Because it's theme is a relationship between God and Mankind.

The idea that because the perspective is from Earth then it must not be from God is a non-sequitor. there is no inference from earth bound perspective with being not being God breathed.
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10/8/2015 3:15:32 AM
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At 10/8/2015 2:55:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/8/2015 2:35:01 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

Motion is relative to the frame of reference.

The bible is written from the human frame of reference here on Earth.

The first line of the Bible is "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth" Once the Earth is made then the scripture continues from a perspective of Earth.

Just like when you read an English book you don't run into paragraphs about Calculus.

The Bible doesn't have all the details about angels, demons, devil, or Jesus. Because it's theme is a relationship between God and Mankind.

The idea that because the perspective is from Earth then it must not be from God is a non-sequitor. there is no inference from earth bound perspective with being not being God breathed.

You keep at it mhyk, you'll catch that tail one day.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/8/2015 3:27:27 AM
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At 10/8/2015 2:55:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/8/2015 2:35:01 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

Motion is relative to the frame of reference.

The bible is written from the human frame of reference here on Earth.

The first line of the Bible is "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth" Once the Earth is made then the scripture continues from a perspective of Earth.

Unfortunately the Earth wasn't created in the beginning. There was no matter in the beginning. The Earth formed 9,000,000,000 years later (count them) after several generations of stars had exploded and died to hurl out heavy matter into our galaxy. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. Keep believing that Earth was there in the beginning despite there being 9 billion years of heavens without any Earth.
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10/8/2015 3:53:11 AM
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At 10/8/2015 3:27:27 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/8/2015 2:55:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/8/2015 2:35:01 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

Motion is relative to the frame of reference.

The bible is written from the human frame of reference here on Earth.

The first line of the Bible is "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth" Once the Earth is made then the scripture continues from a perspective of Earth.

Unfortunately the Earth wasn't created in the beginning. There was no matter in the beginning. The Earth formed 9,000,000,000 years later (count them) after several generations of stars had exploded and died to hurl out heavy matter into our galaxy. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. Keep believing that Earth was there in the beginning despite there being 9 billion years of heavens without any Earth.

Don't be so dull.

If the point is to talk about a relationship between mankind and God, then "the beginning" is all the time before mankind and Earth were around.

When I write a biography about Abraham Lincoln do I have to BEGIN with a preamble talking about the cooling of the Earth and the evolution of monkeys till CONGRATS we have the 16th President of the United States.

Seriously how is this a hard concept to understand. The point of ANY BOOK is it's theme, it's topic, it's subject matter.

Hint hint the topic and subject of scripture is a relationship between mankind and God.

The first line for "In the beginning" is simply to establish the stage the rest is set upon. It is the opening of a curtain.

You know I was going to go on by why bother with you. I put you in the same group as Bulpoop and DJ.
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10/8/2015 3:56:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/8/2015 3:27:27 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 10/8/2015 2:55:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/8/2015 2:35:01 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

Motion is relative to the frame of reference.

The bible is written from the human frame of reference here on Earth.

The first line of the Bible is "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth" Once the Earth is made then the scripture continues from a perspective of Earth.

Unfortunately the Earth wasn't created in the beginning. There was no matter in the beginning. The Earth formed 9,000,000,000 years later (count them) after several generations of stars had exploded and died to hurl out heavy matter into our galaxy. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. Keep believing that Earth was there in the beginning despite there being 9 billion years of heavens without any Earth.

Don't reply to my threads please, I find them to add nothing to the conversation.

Thank you I would appreciate this. And in return I will make a concerted effort not to reply to your posts.

thank you, good bye.
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10/8/2015 1:34:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/8/2015 3:53:11 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
If the point is to talk about a relationship between mankind and God, then "the beginning" is all the time before mankind and Earth were around.
I just love how they need to declare their beliefs wrong in order that their beliefs are right for everybody.
So when your god said "in the beginning" he was lying.
Can you guys ever support your silly book without proving your silly book wrong and your god a liar?
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10/8/2015 1:49:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/8/2015 2:55:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/8/2015 2:35:01 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

Motion is relative to the frame of reference.

The bible is written from the human frame of reference here on Earth.

The first line of the Bible is "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth" Once the Earth is made then the scripture continues from a perspective of Earth.

Of course, this can be confirmed from Scriptures, or is it something you personally made up in order to support your claim?

Just like when you read an English book you don't run into paragraphs about Calculus.

That isn't even remotely the same thing.

The Bible doesn't have all the details about angels, demons, devil, or Jesus. Because it's theme is a relationship between God and Mankind.

So, you therefore once again conclude the Bible is not the word of God, but the perspective of men?

The idea that because the perspective is from Earth then it must not be from God is a non-sequitor. there is no inference from earth bound perspective with being not being God breathed.

There's no reference to anything you've claimed thus far. You're just making it all up.
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10/8/2015 1:52:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/8/2015 1:49:28 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/8/2015 2:55:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/8/2015 2:35:01 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 10/6/2015 11:42:03 AM, Dazz wrote:
What is the scholarly view of Christianity about the motion of earth [according to Bible or scriptural sources]. I really need a scholarly view from a Christian scholar or religious follower as much knowledgeable as to provide valid information.

Thanks for sharing.

Motion is relative to the frame of reference.

The bible is written from the human frame of reference here on Earth.

The first line of the Bible is "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth" Once the Earth is made then the scripture continues from a perspective of Earth.

Of course, this can be confirmed from Scriptures, or is it something you personally made up in order to support your claim?

Just like when you read an English book you don't run into paragraphs about Calculus.

That isn't even remotely the same thing.

The Bible doesn't have all the details about angels, demons, devil, or Jesus. Because it's theme is a relationship between God and Mankind.

So, you therefore once again conclude the Bible is not the word of God, but the perspective of men?

The idea that because the perspective is from Earth then it must not be from God is a non-sequitor. there is no inference from earth bound perspective with being not being God breathed.

There's no reference to anything you've claimed thus far. You're just making it all up.

Dontcha just hate that?
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10/8/2015 3:45:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/7/2015 10:20:24 PM, dee-em wrote:
Look up the verses if you like. You can see for yourself that this was the cosmological model of biblical times before the Greeks improved on it a little. The Earth was fixed and immovable and celestial objects tracked across the firmament except for the stars which were somewhat fixed. God appears to have made no effort to correct the Hebrew people in their misconceptions. That may be because God had no input into the Bible. Just saying.

The descriptions that Bible give can be applied also to round object. Here is some principal images of it:

http://www.kolumbus.fi...

It seems to me that not many people can really understand 3 dimensions.

But probably you are correct and ancient people have had wrong ideas. I don"t think Bible gives them. They are born when people misunderstand things, or try to twist them to their own assumptions.