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Joseph, a Jew, accepts a son from God?

dee-em
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10/17/2015 1:18:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Joseph was a Jew. Matthew tells us that he was faithful to the law. Judaism is a monotheistic religion and the God of Abraham was it. There were no other gods or demi-gods. Your average Jew with any kind of Jewish upbringing should have been disgusted by the idea of a union between God and a human woman. Pagans on the other hand just lapped up things like demi-gods, gods having intercourse with humans, and virgins giving birth. Such claims meant something to pagans, and they were already familiar with such beliefs from their own cultures. Yet Joseph was not a pagan which makes the following mystifying:

Matthew 1
18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about[d]: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet[e] did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[f] because he will save his people from their sins."
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24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife.


Joseph, a law abiding Jew, meekly complies with the request and accepts that God had sex with his wife-to-be. How is this possible? Shouldn't Joseph have at least been questioning what was diametrically opposite to his core beliefs? Jews mocked pagans for their pantheon of gods and demi-gods. Yet Joseph makes not the slightest hint of an objection.

Luke takes it a step further:

Luke 1
26 In the sixth month of Elizabeth"s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin"s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."

29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob"s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end."

34 "How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"

35 The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[b] the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail."

38 "I am the Lord"s servant," Mary answered. "May your word to me be fulfilled." Then the angel left her.

39 At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, 40 where she entered Zechariah"s home and greeted Elizabeth. 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary"s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!"


So now we have at least three Jewish people and not a single one of them expresses concern (quite the opposite) that this is a blasphemous situation. No-one suggests they consult with a Jewish priest. Nothing. It is almost as if the Christian writing these verses has forgotten about Judaism and treats these people as being Christians!
dee-em
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10/18/2015 10:10:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I guess that settles it, Christians cannot defend their own holy book. They must agree that the Jesus birth narrative is fabricated.
JJ50
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10/18/2015 10:42:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
If the deity got that poor kid Mary pregnant, it would be considered a paedophile today, as she was likely to have been a young teenager and below the age of consent! Much more likely of course Mary had sex in the usual way with Joseph or another!

It annoys me that in times past, and even today, some Christians are very nasty about a girl getting pregnant before marriage, when Mary was in the same boat!
Wylted
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10/18/2015 12:17:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/18/2015 10:10:36 AM, dee-em wrote:
I guess that settles it, Christians cannot defend their own holy book. They must agree that the Jesus birth narrative is fabricated.

The Jews aren't really immune to joining cults that branched from their religion
dee-em
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10/18/2015 11:37:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/18/2015 12:17:04 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/18/2015 10:10:36 AM, dee-em wrote:
I guess that settles it, Christians cannot defend their own holy book. They must agree that the Jesus birth narrative is fabricated.

The Jews aren't really immune to joining cults that branched from their religion

Think for a minute, Wylted. What cult? Joseph was a Jew who followed the law. Matthew clearly states this. Mary was a young Jewish girl. They were both Jews.