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kowalskil
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10/29/2015 1:57:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Those who read my online "What is God" essay at:

< http://pages.csam.montclair.edu... >

might be interested in my more recent contribution at:

< http://pages.csam.montclair.edu... >

Please feel free to forward this email message (or only the above two links) to people who might be interested, especially to students (if appropriate).

Comments on this forum will also be appreciated.

Thank you in advance,

Ludwik Kowalski, Ph.D (see Wikipedia)
Ludwik Kowalski, author of "Diary of a Former Communist: Thoughts, Feelings, Reality." <http://csam.montclair.edu...

http://csam.montclair.edu...

It is a testimony based on a diary kept between 1946 and 2004 (in the USSR, Poland, France and the USA).

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10/29/2015 2:36:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 1:57:14 AM, kowalskil wrote:
Those who read my online "What is God" essay at:

< http://pages.csam.montclair.edu... >

might be interested in my more recent contribution at:

< http://pages.csam.montclair.edu... >

Please feel free to forward this email message (or only the above two links) to people who might be interested, especially to students (if appropriate).

Comments on this forum will also be appreciated.

Thank you in advance,

Ludwik Kowalski, Ph.D (see Wikipedia) : :

It's a good thing that God used science to find his invisible kingdom. Otherwise, we would still be listening to stupid religious people waiting for Jesus to come back in the clouds after they killed the servants who understood that we came from an invisible realm.
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10/29/2015 3:40:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
"A feud about existence or nonexistence of God is impossible unless we agree on God's attributes."

I completely agree, but how could we objectively determine characteristics of a being said to be beyond what we know? Should we arbitrarily assign characteristics?
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10/29/2015 3:44:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 3:40:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
"A feud about existence or nonexistence of God is impossible unless we agree on God's attributes."

I completely agree, but how could we objectively determine characteristics of a being said to be beyond what we know? Should we arbitrarily assign characteristics? : :

Forget God's attributes. If you don't listen to God or obey his commandments, you will never get to understand why you're in disagreement with each other.
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10/29/2015 4:06:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 3:44:36 AM, scuzz wrote:
At 10/29/2015 3:40:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
"A feud about existence or nonexistence of God is impossible unless we agree on God's attributes."

I completely agree, but how could we objectively determine characteristics of a being said to be beyond what we know? Should we arbitrarily assign characteristics? : :

Forget God's attributes. If you don't listen to God or obey his commandments, you will never get to understand why you're in disagreement with each other.

Hey, BoG, is that you? I am unable to believe in something that cannot be defined - much less know how to listen to or obey it. The attributes can only be "forgotten" if God is as well.
This thread is like eavesdropping on a conversation in a mental asylum. - Bulproof

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What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
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10/29/2015 4:09:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 4:02:37 AM, uncung wrote:
God is the creator of the universe.

Okay, so what characteristics does that entail - the ability to create? That's not really very helpful.
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10/29/2015 4:11:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 4:06:22 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 10/29/2015 3:44:36 AM, scuzz wrote:
At 10/29/2015 3:40:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
"A feud about existence or nonexistence of God is impossible unless we agree on God's attributes."

I completely agree, but how could we objectively determine characteristics of a being said to be beyond what we know? Should we arbitrarily assign characteristics? : :

Forget God's attributes. If you don't listen to God or obey his commandments, you will never get to understand why you're in disagreement with each other.

Hey, BoG, is that you? I am unable to believe in something that cannot be defined - much less know how to listen to or obey it. The attributes can only be "forgotten" if God is as well. : :

That's why religious people keep listening to each other instead of listening to God because they have no clue who God is. They practice pagan worshiping of false gods and deities instead. None of them listen to his voice or obey his commandments.
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10/29/2015 4:37:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 4:09:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:02:37 AM, uncung wrote:
God is the creator of the universe.

Okay, so what characteristics does that entail - the ability to create? That's not really very helpful.

God created the universe by the word, "be" then it is.
When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is." (Qur'an 2:117)
"And it is We who have built the universe with (Our creative) power; and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it" (Quran 51:47).

Hope it is helpful.
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10/29/2015 4:47:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 4:37:23 AM, uncung wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:09:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:02:37 AM, uncung wrote:
God is the creator of the universe.

Okay, so what characteristics does that entail - the ability to create? That's not really very helpful.

God created the universe by the word, "be" then it is.
When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is." (Qur'an 2:117)
"And it is We who have built the universe with (Our creative) power; and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it" (Quran 51:47).

Hope it is helpful.

Just because an illiterate 6th century camel trader said so doesn't make it so.
Find out what Luke Skywalker says about it.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/29/2015 4:51:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Just because an illiterate 6th century camel trader said so doesn't make it so.
Find out what Luke Skywalker says about it.

Just because an illiterate 6th century camel trader said so doesn't make it is not worth true.
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10/29/2015 4:52:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 4:47:23 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:37:23 AM, uncung wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:09:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:02:37 AM, uncung wrote:
God is the creator of the universe.

Okay, so what characteristics does that entail - the ability to create? That's not really very helpful.

God created the universe by the word, "be" then it is.
When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is." (Qur'an 2:117)
"And it is We who have built the universe with (Our creative) power; and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it" (Quran 51:47).

Hope it is helpful.

Just because an illiterate 6th century camel trader said so doesn't make it so.
Find out what Luke Skywalker says about it. : :

We have computer programmers today who can speak code into a voice recognition program and create visible objects that can be viewed on a video screen. This is a perfect way to teach the characters on this earth how they were created.
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10/29/2015 8:21:03 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 3:44:36 AM, scuzz wrote:
At 10/29/2015 3:40:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
"A feud about existence or nonexistence of God is impossible unless we agree on God's attributes."

I completely agree, but how could we objectively determine characteristics of a being said to be beyond what we know? Should we arbitrarily assign characteristics? : :

Forget God's attributes. If you don't listen to God or obey his commandments, you will never get to understand why you're in disagreement with each other.

it's too bad your gods doesn't bother to speak and make themselves known
but then neither do Zues or Odin
which religion are you?
and what method did you use to determine that your religion is correct?
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10/29/2015 8:22:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 4:02:37 AM, uncung wrote:
God is the creator of the universe.

the flying spaghetti monster is the creator of the universe
this is obvious since planets, stars, black holes etc. are all shaped like meat balls
why do you deny the evidence right in front of you?
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10/29/2015 8:27:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 4:37:23 AM, uncung wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:09:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:02:37 AM, uncung wrote:
God is the creator of the universe.

Okay, so what characteristics does that entail - the ability to create? That's not really very helpful.

God created the universe by the word, "be" then it is.
When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is." (Qur'an 2:117)
"And it is We who have built the universe with (Our creative) power; and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it" (Quran 51:47).

Hope it is helpful.

so your god is a witch
an incantation is using magic words to make something come from nothing
i love a good magic trick, what other tricks can your god perform?
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10/29/2015 9:16:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 8:22:59 AM, DanMGTOW wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:02:37 AM, uncung wrote:
God is the creator of the universe.

the flying spaghetti monster is the creator of the universe
this is obvious since planets, stars, black holes etc. are all shaped like meat balls
why do you deny the evidence right in front of you?

what is the flying spaghetti monster?
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10/29/2015 9:18:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 8:27:27 AM, DanMGTOW wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:37:23 AM, uncung wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:09:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:02:37 AM, uncung wrote:
God is the creator of the universe.

Okay, so what characteristics does that entail - the ability to create? That's not really very helpful.

God created the universe by the word, "be" then it is.
When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is." (Qur'an 2:117)
"And it is We who have built the universe with (Our creative) power; and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it" (Quran 51:47).

Hope it is helpful.

so your god is a witch
an incantation is using magic words to make something come from nothing
i love a good magic trick, what other tricks can your god perform?

yes it is sound like a magic since the universe was created from "nothing".
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10/29/2015 9:30:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 9:16:45 AM, uncung wrote:
At 10/29/2015 8:22:59 AM, DanMGTOW wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:02:37 AM, uncung wrote:
God is the creator of the universe.

the flying spaghetti monster is the creator of the universe
this is obvious since planets, stars, black holes etc. are all shaped like meat balls
why do you deny the evidence right in front of you?

what is the flying spaghetti monster?

the flying spaghetti monster is the creator of the universe
i just said that in the last post
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10/29/2015 10:03:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
what is the flying spaghetti monster?

the flying spaghetti monster is the creator of the universe
i just said that in the last post

Who told you so?
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10/29/2015 10:34:16 AM
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At 10/29/2015 10:03:20 AM, uncung wrote:
what is the flying spaghetti monster?

the flying spaghetti monster is the creator of the universe
i just said that in the last post

Who told you so?

Well we know who told you that your god created the universe, a 6th century camel trader.
That doesn't convince many.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/29/2015 10:53:28 AM
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At 10/29/2015 10:34:16 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/29/2015 10:03:20 AM, uncung wrote:
what is the flying spaghetti monster?

the flying spaghetti monster is the creator of the universe
i just said that in the last post

Who told you so?

Well we know who told you that your god created the universe, a 6th century camel trader.
That doesn't convince many.

That camel trader told the truth.
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10/29/2015 12:05:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 10:53:28 AM, uncung wrote:
At 10/29/2015 10:34:16 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/29/2015 10:03:20 AM, uncung wrote:
what is the flying spaghetti monster?

the flying spaghetti monster is the creator of the universe
i just said that in the last post

Who told you so?

Well we know who told you that your god created the universe, a 6th century camel trader.
That doesn't convince many.

That camel trader told the truth.
Says you.
I'm sorry but that is the entirety of your argument and it can be dismissed for the same reason that my claim to the existence of vampire monkeys with wings can be denied by you.
Do you understand that?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/29/2015 12:21:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 12:05:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/29/2015 10:53:28 AM, uncung wrote:
At 10/29/2015 10:34:16 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/29/2015 10:03:20 AM, uncung wrote:
what is the flying spaghetti monster?

the flying spaghetti monster is the creator of the universe
i just said that in the last post

Who told you so?

Well we know who told you that your god created the universe, a 6th century camel trader.
That doesn't convince many.

That camel trader told the truth.
Says you.
I'm sorry but that is the entirety of your argument and it can be dismissed for the same reason that my claim to the existence of vampire monkeys with wings can be denied by you.
Do you understand that?

You simply dismiss the truth since I do not speak but the truth.
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10/29/2015 12:24:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 12:21:31 PM, uncung wrote:
At 10/29/2015 12:05:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/29/2015 10:53:28 AM, uncung wrote:
At 10/29/2015 10:34:16 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/29/2015 10:03:20 AM, uncung wrote:
what is the flying spaghetti monster?

the flying spaghetti monster is the creator of the universe
i just said that in the last post

Who told you so?

Well we know who told you that your god created the universe, a 6th century camel trader.
That doesn't convince many.

That camel trader told the truth.
Says you.
I'm sorry but that is the entirety of your argument and it can be dismissed for the same reason that my claim to the existence of vampire monkeys with wings can be denied by you.
Do you understand that?

You simply dismiss the truth since I do not speak but the truth.
Do you believe that vampire monkeys with wings exist?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/29/2015 12:25:41 PM
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You simply dismiss the truth since I do not speak but the truth.
Do you believe that vampire monkeys with wings exist?

Are they real?
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10/29/2015 1:35:35 PM
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At 10/29/2015 12:25:41 PM, uncung wrote:
You simply dismiss the truth since I do not speak but the truth.
Do you believe that vampire monkeys with wings exist?

Are they real?

Yes
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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10/29/2015 2:35:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 1:35:35 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/29/2015 12:25:41 PM, uncung wrote:
You simply dismiss the truth since I do not speak but the truth.
Do you believe that vampire monkeys with wings exist?

Are they real?

Yes

Good.
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10/29/2015 3:08:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 4:37:23 AM, uncung wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:09:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 10/29/2015 4:02:37 AM, uncung wrote:
God is the creator of the universe.

Okay, so what characteristics does that entail - the ability to create? That's not really very helpful.

God created the universe by the word, "be" then it is.
When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is." (Qur'an 2:117)
"And it is We who have built the universe with (Our creative) power; and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it" (Quran 51:47).

Hope it is helpful.

Well, that still falls short. What characteristics should a creator have? Magical ability? Technologically advanced? There is no explanation of 'creation' there, only an assertion that god is responsible for it. Secondly, why should we accept the Quran, or any holy book, as an authority? Where did this information come from, and why should it be considered knowledge?
This thread is like eavesdropping on a conversation in a mental asylum. - Bulproof

You can call your invisible friends whatever you like. - Desmac

What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
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10/29/2015 4:07:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/29/2015 10:03:20 AM, uncung wrote:
what is the flying spaghetti monster?

the flying spaghetti monster is the creator of the universe
i just said that in the last post

Who told you so?

no one needs to tell you, the FSM writes on your heart and you know it to be true
many religions are greedy so they try and destroy historical records of the FSM