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10/30/2015 11:45:12 PM
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At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys.

Haha, no.

So can you date one ethically?

What does this have to do with the prior sentence?
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10/31/2015 1:08:06 AM
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At 10/30/2015 11:45:12 PM, pakicetus wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys.

Haha, no.

So can you date one ethically?

What does this have to do with the prior sentence?

I'm just curious why homosexuality is ethical but cat relations is wrong? We can't usethe "it's not natural" excuse. Right?
RuvDraba
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10/31/2015 1:36:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Bonobos won't socialise with you unless you fondle their genitals.

(Not everyone, Gritty - just you :D)

Also the common name for 'evolutionist' is 'biologist'
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10/31/2015 1:56:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/31/2015 1:08:06 AM, GrittyWorm wrote:
homosexuality is ethical

According to who?

We can't usethe "it's not natural" excuse. Right?

Well, it -is- a fallacy. You can use it, but that would be wrong.
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10/31/2015 2:19:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Ask your mother.
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10/31/2015 2:48:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/31/2015 2:19:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Ask your mother.

Though in line with your usual harshness and abrasiveness, and so not quite commendable :D , I do recognize that was, well, funny!
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10/31/2015 3:47:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/31/2015 1:36:48 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Bonobos won't socialise with you unless you fondle their genitals.

(Not everyone, Gritty - just you :D)

Also the common name for 'evolutionist' is 'biologist'

Is that right? Wel... the "Biologist", and Atheist, Richard Dawkins says and I quote,"we don't know how it all happened.". He does give a fascinating revelation on a possible footprint of intelligent design as well. There might have been a "first self replicating molecule but no one knows how that happened either." So Biologists have the answer to well...nothing. You can reference my previous posts.
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10/31/2015 10:20:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/31/2015 1:08:06 AM, GrittyWorm wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:45:12 PM, pakicetus wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys.

Haha, no.

So can you date one ethically?

What does this have to do with the prior sentence?

I'm just curious why homosexuality is ethical but cat relations is wrong? We can't usethe "it's not natural" excuse. Right?

Because the Cat can't consent.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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10/31/2015 3:18:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/31/2015 1:08:06 AM, GrittyWorm wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:45:12 PM, pakicetus wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys.

Haha, no.

So can you date one ethically?

What does this have to do with the prior sentence?

I'm just curious why homosexuality is ethical but cat relations is wrong? We can't usethe "it's not natural" excuse. Right?

An animal cannot give its consent in the way that humans can!
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10/31/2015 3:23:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

first off, Biologist claim way more than "we came from apes and monkeys". you're something like 50% related to a fruit fly, 20% related to a virus, 5% related to a tree.

This have some in a simplified way pose a two interesting questions:

Question 1: At what part to the Taxonomy chart do we consider it too farfetched to consider it ethical to attempt to breed with?

Species: Homo sapien
Genus: Homo
Family: Hominid
Order: Primate
Class: Mammal
Phylum: Chordate
Kingdom: Animal

We do have DNA and fossil evidence that suggests that Homo Sapien (modern man) did successfully breed with Homo Neanderthalensis and Homo Heidelbergensis. So that is evidence for mating in the genus.

Question 2: Is it a sapient creature that makes it ok to attempt to mate with?

We see this in science fiction and fantasy all the time, even though the alien is in not we related to humans, we see someone to wanting to bond with them from time to time. One could say that it is a representation of the strength of their relationship and that is what the artist is trying to convey. Even though the possibility of their sexual organs could be a stretch in itself.
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10/31/2015 10:04:31 PM
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It's not immoral, as long as you don't hurt the monkey and its willing, but why would you want to? You have certain chemicals in your body that cause you to be attracted to a member of the opposite sex that looks like you. Having sex with monkeys, or whales, or giraffes wouldn't make any sense. You're testosterone or estrogen would find no delight in it. Those who do practice monkey sex either have a mental problem, or their biological chemicals aren't working. Funny how atheists don't have any more monkey sex than Christians, or any other group. There just isn't any sexual excitement with monkeys.
If we saw someone having sex with monkeys we would ostracize them. We would sense that something was wrong with them, and that if they are willing to have sex with monkeys, they might try it with our kids, or our 90 year old grandma. So tribes ostracized these people in the past, and we still do it today. Any government, or left-winger who tells you that monkey sex is normal, is lying to you. You should not listen to them.
Your propensity for sex is just as natural as a mallard ducks, or a wolf. Both of these animals are monogamous. One mate for life dude. We are monogamous also. However, because our ancestors were a branch off of monkeys, we still do hold onto to our natural propensity to have recreational sex. However, our strongest drive is for one mate for life. Because of this we refrain from sexual Olympics with others because we naturally want to please our mate for life.
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10/31/2015 10:35:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Dawkins thinks one way to find out if it is possible to interbreed with Chimpanzees is to actually proceed with the hybrid scientific experiment.
http://www.theguardian.com...

Chimpanzees are more intelligent than monkeys. For humans who are descendants of monkeys where monkeys are their common ancestors, the experiment might help them produce smarter offsprings being genetically paired with the smarter chimpanzees.

But unfortunately there were more volunteers willing to mate with a pig if it helped produce better bacon.
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11/1/2015 12:40:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/31/2015 10:35:54 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Dawkins thinks one way to find out if it is possible to interbreed with Chimpanzees is to actually proceed with the hybrid scientific experiment.
http://www.theguardian.com...

Chimpanzees are more intelligent than monkeys. For humans who are descendants of monkeys where monkeys are their common ancestors, the experiment might help them produce smarter offsprings being genetically paired with the smarter chimpanzees.

But unfortunately there were more volunteers willing to mate with a pig if it helped produce better bacon.

How do you know that we came from monkeys?
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11/1/2015 10:14:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/31/2015 10:35:54 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Dawkins thinks one way to find out if it is possible to interbreed with Chimpanzees is to actually proceed with the hybrid scientific experiment.
http://www.theguardian.com...

Chimpanzees are more intelligent than monkeys. For humans who are descendants of monkeys where monkeys are their common ancestors, the experiment might help them produce smarter offsprings being genetically paired with the smarter chimpanzees.

But unfortunately there were more volunteers willing to mate with a pig if it helped produce better bacon.

Did you actually read that article? Here is the last paragraph.

I have laid out four possibilities that would, if realised, change everything. I have not said that I hope any of them will be realised. That would require further thought. But I will admit to a frisson of enjoyment whenever we are forced to question the hitherto unquestioned.

At no point in the article did Professor Dawkins even mention Human / chimp sex.
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11/1/2015 1:45:31 PM
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At 11/1/2015 12:40:22 AM, GrittyWorm wrote:
At 10/31/2015 10:35:54 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Dawkins thinks one way to find out if it is possible to interbreed with Chimpanzees is to actually proceed with the hybrid scientific experiment.
http://www.theguardian.com...

Chimpanzees are more intelligent than monkeys. For humans who are descendants of monkeys where monkeys are their common ancestors, the experiment might help them produce smarter offsprings being genetically paired with the smarter chimpanzees.

But unfortunately there were more volunteers willing to mate with a pig if it helped produce better bacon.

How do you know that we came from monkeys?

The whole theory of evolution is built on Darwin's evidence of common ancestry and natural selection. The human race is divided between creationists and evolutionist or monkey believers/atheists.

Darwin wrote in the Descent of Man:"The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded."
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11/1/2015 2:35:05 PM
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At 11/1/2015 10:14:31 AM, desmac wrote:
At 10/31/2015 10:35:54 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Dawkins thinks one way to find out if it is possible to interbreed with Chimpanzees is to actually proceed with the hybrid scientific experiment.
http://www.theguardian.com...

Chimpanzees are more intelligent than monkeys. For humans who are descendants of monkeys where monkeys are their common ancestors, the experiment might help them produce smarter offsprings being genetically paired with the smarter chimpanzees.

But unfortunately there were more volunteers willing to mate with a pig if it helped produce better bacon.

Did you actually read that article? Here is the last paragraph.

I have laid out four possibilities that would, if realised, change everything. I have not said that I hope any of them will be realised. That would require further thought. But I will admit to a frisson of enjoyment whenever we are forced to question the hitherto unquestioned.

At no point in the article did Professor Dawkins even mention Human / chimp sex.

You don't read very good.

Dawkins wrote: " 2.. A successful hybridisation between a human between a human and a chimpanzee. Even if the hybrid were infertile like a mule, the shock waves that would be sent through society would be salutary. This is why a distinguished biologist described this possibility as the most immoral scientific experiment he could imagine: it would change everything! It cannot be ruled out as impossible, but it would be surprising."
http://www.theguardian.com...

What do you think Dawkin's meant when he wrote: "a successful hybridization between a human and a chimpanzee"?
Get an education or get help.
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11/1/2015 4:49:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/1/2015 2:35:05 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 11/1/2015 10:14:31 AM, desmac wrote:
At 10/31/2015 10:35:54 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Dawkins thinks one way to find out if it is possible to interbreed with Chimpanzees is to actually proceed with the hybrid scientific experiment.
http://www.theguardian.com...

Chimpanzees are more intelligent than monkeys. For humans who are descendants of monkeys where monkeys are their common ancestors, the experiment might help them produce smarter offsprings being genetically paired with the smarter chimpanzees.

But unfortunately there were more volunteers willing to mate with a pig if it helped produce better bacon.

Did you actually read that article? Here is the last paragraph.

I have laid out four possibilities that would, if realised, change everything. I have not said that I hope any of them will be realised. That would require further thought. But I will admit to a frisson of enjoyment whenever we are forced to question the hitherto unquestioned.

At no point in the article did Professor Dawkins even mention Human / chimp sex.

You don't read very good.

Dawkins wrote: " 2.. A successful hybridisation between a human between a human and a chimpanzee. Even if the hybrid were infertile like a mule, the shock waves that would be sent through society would be salutary. This is why a distinguished biologist described this possibility as the most immoral scientific experiment he could imagine: it would change everything! It cannot be ruled out as impossible, but it would be surprising."
http://www.theguardian.com...

What do you think Dawkin's meant when he wrote: "a successful hybridization between a human and a chimpanzee"?
Get an education or get help.

I assume that he meant what he wrote, " an experimental chimera in an embryology lab"
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11/1/2015 9:48:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/1/2015 4:49:44 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/1/2015 2:35:05 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 11/1/2015 10:14:31 AM, desmac wrote:
At 10/31/2015 10:35:54 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Dawkins thinks one way to find out if it is possible to interbreed with Chimpanzees is to actually proceed with the hybrid scientific experiment.
http://www.theguardian.com...

Chimpanzees are more intelligent than monkeys. For humans who are descendants of monkeys where monkeys are their common ancestors, the experiment might help them produce smarter offsprings being genetically paired with the smarter chimpanzees.

But unfortunately there were more volunteers willing to mate with a pig if it helped produce better bacon.

Did you actually read that article? Here is the last paragraph.

I have laid out four possibilities that would, if realised, change everything. I have not said that I hope any of them will be realised. That would require further thought. But I will admit to a frisson of enjoyment whenever we are forced to question the hitherto unquestioned.

At no point in the article did Professor Dawkins even mention Human / chimp sex.

You don't read very good.

Dawkins wrote: " 2.. A successful hybridisation between a human between a human and a chimpanzee. Even if the hybrid were infertile like a mule, the shock waves that would be sent through society would be salutary. This is why a distinguished biologist described this possibility as the most immoral scientific experiment he could imagine: it would change everything! It cannot be ruled out as impossible, but it would be surprising."
http://www.theguardian.com...

What do you think Dawkin's meant when he wrote: "a successful hybridization between a human and a chimpanzee"?
Get an education or get help.

I assume that he meant what he wrote, " an experimental chimera in an embryology lab"

Why assume, learn to read instead. A chimera is a monstrous hybrid. Humans and chimpanzees would make a monstrous hybrid.

We already have according to Darwin descendants of ancestor monkeys we call monkey believers/atheists. We don't need to expand their gene pool to include chimpanzee genes.
Chimpanzees have already proven to have superior cognitive functions in lab test than college students.

https://www.newscientist.com...
Chimp/ human hybrids might help raise tbe intelligents of humans. But education and eugenics might be just as effective with fewer side effects.
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11/2/2015 7:30:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Questions:
1. Do you think it is possible to "mate" with a monkey?
2. Where would you take your simian "date"?
3. Do you actually think "evolutionists" claim we are descended from monkeys?

I look forward to your answers.
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11/2/2015 9:43:26 AM
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At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

I very much doubt that a monkey would want to mate with a worm.
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11/2/2015 11:09:14 AM
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At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Yes, but I don't date blacks.
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11/2/2015 11:10:47 AM
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At 10/31/2015 2:19:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Ask your mother.

You calling me a monkey Bro?
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11/3/2015 4:29:15 AM
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At 10/31/2015 1:08:06 AM, GrittyWorm wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:45:12 PM, pakicetus wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys.

Haha, no.

So can you date one ethically?

What does this have to do with the prior sentence?

I'm just curious why homosexuality is ethical but cat relations is wrong? We can't usethe "it's not natural" excuse. Right?

because adults can consent to sex
but animals and children can not consent to sex
i don't understand why that is so hard for so many people to understand
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11/3/2015 6:45:40 AM
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At 10/31/2015 3:47:16 AM, GrittyWorm wrote:
At 10/31/2015 1:36:48 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Bonobos won't socialise with you unless you fondle their genitals.

(Not everyone, Gritty - just you :D)

Also the common name for 'evolutionist' is 'biologist'

Is that right? Wel... the "Biologist", and Atheist, Richard Dawkins says and I quote,"we don't know how it all happened.". He does give a fascinating revelation on a possible footprint of intelligent design as well. There might have been a "first self replicating molecule but no one knows how that happened either." So Biologists have the answer to well...nothing. You can reference my previous posts.

I like that you don't trust a man who will honestly admit what they don't know, but will show you the real world evidence to support what they do claim to know - compared to a person who will tell you they have all the answers via the Bible, but rely on faith rather than hard evidence.
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11/6/2015 3:07:13 AM
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At 10/31/2015 2:19:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/30/2015 11:39:09 PM, GrittyWorm wrote:
Evolutionists claim we came from monkeys. So can you date one ethically?

Ask your mother.

She said to ask you.
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11/6/2015 3:10:36 AM
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At 10/31/2015 10:04:31 PM, j50wells wrote:
It's not immoral, as long as you don't hurt the monkey and its willing, but why would you want to? You have certain chemicals in your body that cause you to be attracted to a member of the opposite sex that looks like you. Having sex with monkeys, or whales, or giraffes wouldn't make any sense. You're testosterone or estrogen would find no delight in it. Those who do practice monkey sex either have a mental problem, or their biological chemicals aren't working. Funny how atheists don't have any more monkey sex than Christians, or any other group. There just isn't any sexual excitement with monkeys.
If we saw someone having sex with monkeys we would ostracize them. We would sense that something was wrong with them, and that if they are willing to have sex with monkeys, they might try it with our kids, or our 90 year old grandma. So tribes ostracized these people in the past, and we still do it today. Any government, or left-winger who tells you that monkey sex is normal, is lying to you. You should not listen to them.
Your propensity for sex is just as natural as a mallard ducks, or a wolf. Both of these animals are monogamous. One mate for life dude. We are monogamous also. However, because our ancestors were a branch off of monkeys, we still do hold onto to our natural propensity to have recreational sex. However, our strongest drive is for one mate for life. Because of this we refrain from sexual Olympics with others because we naturally want to please our mate for life.

How do you know sex with a monkey isn't exciting?