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JohnSmith_2
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11/7/2015 2:17:57 PM
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Yes. Religion is an outdated way of controlling people. In years past, there were no police, and thus no enforcement of rules or order. Telling the masses that murder was wrong, was not enough to stop people, so religion or "ideals and morals" were taught to people using stories (the bible, etc). This meant that people feared an all mighty invisible being that would doom them to hell if they were to follow any immoral practices. It was very effective and still is used to this day, but is slowly becoming less and less prominent.
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11/7/2015 3:31:12 PM
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In years past, there were no police, and thus no enforcement of rules or order.

I can see history was not one of your favorite subjects.
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11/7/2015 4:21:53 PM
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At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

Based on what? Religion has brought us hospitals, the university system, and the scientific method.
If that was the only issue, then vote moderation could be avoided more often, since a vote in which the voter does explain sufficiently how at least one point a debater made swung their vote, would be considered sufficient. -Airmax
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11/7/2015 4:29:53 PM
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At 11/7/2015 4:21:53 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

Based on what? Religion has brought us hospitals, the university system, and the scientific method.

So it has outlived whatever slight usefulness it may have had.
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11/7/2015 4:37:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

Religion should be kept around like memorials, a testament and reminder of the ignorance, hatred and barbarism of mankind many centuries ago.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
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11/7/2015 6:02:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 2:17:57 PM, JohnSmith_2 wrote:
Yes. Religion is an outdated way of controlling people. In years past, there were no police, and thus no enforcement of rules or order. Telling the masses that murder was wrong, was not enough to stop people, so religion or "ideals and morals" were taught to people using stories (the bible, etc). This meant that people feared an all mighty invisible being that would doom them to hell if they were to follow any immoral practices. It was very effective and still is used to this day, but is slowly becoming less and less prominent.

So what you are saying is, because a police state is the more modern way, then religion has no place. You should only know and believe what the police state tells you. Correct?
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11/7/2015 6:09:38 PM
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Eradicate a very strong and to me distasteful word. After all there are all sorts of attitudes we might like to eradicate but then we would be running a police state.
Manipulation is something very much alive in the modern world and not just used by religious groups. The media and politicians are masters of the art. No lets present our case and allow others to freely present their case. The rules of society must decide what can or cannot be tolerated. Those of us lucky enough to live in the democratic west must not become tyrants.
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11/7/2015 7:32:50 PM
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At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

'Should eradicate' implies 'could eradicate', Smeli.

But is that true?

Magical thinking is understood to be innate to a healthy human mind.

What is religious dogma but magical thinking propagated by people who believe that colluding on it gives it more authority?

And how would you eradicate it? Would you:
1) try to eliminate magical thinking from human thought, whatever psychological harm that might do? Or
2) forbid people to collude in magical thinking? If so, how?
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11/7/2015 7:43:56 PM
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At 11/7/2015 4:29:53 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/7/2015 4:21:53 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

Based on what? Religion has brought us hospitals, the university system, and the scientific method.

So it has outlived whatever slight usefulness it may have had.

Or it brings comfort and peace to billions.
If that was the only issue, then vote moderation could be avoided more often, since a vote in which the voter does explain sufficiently how at least one point a debater made swung their vote, would be considered sufficient. -Airmax
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11/7/2015 7:55:53 PM
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Yay, time for the hypocritical anti-theists to swoop in.
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11/7/2015 8:54:29 PM
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At 11/7/2015 7:43:56 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 4:29:53 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/7/2015 4:21:53 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

Based on what? Religion has brought us hospitals, the university system, and the scientific method.

So it has outlived whatever slight usefulness it may have had.

Or it brings comfort and peace to billions.

By flying planes into skyscrapers.
dsjpk5
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11/7/2015 9:44:03 PM
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At 11/7/2015 8:54:29 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:43:56 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 4:29:53 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/7/2015 4:21:53 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

Based on what? Religion has brought us hospitals, the university system, and the scientific method.

So it has outlived whatever slight usefulness it may have had.

Or it brings comfort and peace to billions.

By flying planes into skyscrapers.

No, by feeding the hungry, comforting the sick, clothing the naked, and visiting the infirmed.
If that was the only issue, then vote moderation could be avoided more often, since a vote in which the voter does explain sufficiently how at least one point a debater made swung their vote, would be considered sufficient. -Airmax
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11/7/2015 10:21:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
And then raping kids.

A police state run well is better than our awful democracies. See Gadaffi's brilliant, beautiful country (which the US felt the need to f*ck up as usual)
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11/7/2015 10:32:01 PM
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At 11/7/2015 7:32:50 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

'Should eradicate' implies 'could eradicate', Smeli.

But is that true?

Magical thinking is understood to be innate to a healthy human mind.

What is religious dogma but magical thinking propagated by people who believe that colluding on it gives it more authority?

And how would you eradicate it? Would you:
1) try to eliminate magical thinking from human thought, whatever psychological harm that might do? Or
2) forbid people to collude in magical thinking? If so, how?

"Magical thinking is understood to be innate to a healthy human mind."
Only a christian would say something like that.

I believe that Christian morals hold people back, as well as silly vegetarian/vegans.
Imagine the great bounds of science we could make without vegetarians stopping it. "Well I'd rather you save one mouse then cure cancer, you awful human being. I hope you die, scum."

The Christians aren't any better. They occupy everything in our lives. Your birthday is a christian event, christmas is a christian event, a lot of weddings.
The Bible (and Torah and Quh'ran) all teach that women are inferior. Even Nazis didn't do that.
It also convinces children who are indoctrinated by their parents lies that science is bad, since scientists disprove what their parents think. Psychology is also heavily challenged by religious people, who just say everything is because of demons.
Some religions don't even accept medical help, letting innocent children who WANT to be helped to DIE because of the religious maniacs mad and cruel beliefs.

On the subject of harming children, I could go to jail for hitting someone, but a Jew can saw off a child's penis' skin with a knife, mutilating him for life, in exchange for money? Circumscision should be ILLEGAL in all western society! So should attempting to drown your child at birth!

Religion also seeks to censor and fight against offense. Our greatest tools are freedom to speak our mind and to say whatever we want. If I want to call Christians c*nts, I can call Christians c*nts. I can also say God, Jesus and Holy Spirit, despite the bible saying I can't. I've not been struck by fire and brimstone (yet).

Also, religion caused a war because a 15 year old girl was schizophrenic and "Muslims are evil".
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11/7/2015 10:32:20 PM
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At 11/7/2015 9:44:03 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 8:54:29 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:43:56 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 4:29:53 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/7/2015 4:21:53 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

Based on what? Religion has brought us hospitals, the university system, and the scientific method.

So it has outlived whatever slight usefulness it may have had.

Or it brings comfort and peace to billions.

By flying planes into skyscrapers.

No, by feeding the hungry, comforting the sick, clothing the naked, and visiting the infirmed.

What does religion have to do with any of that?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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11/7/2015 11:32:36 PM
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At 11/7/2015 10:32:20 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:44:03 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 8:54:29 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:43:56 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 4:29:53 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/7/2015 4:21:53 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

Based on what? Religion has brought us hospitals, the university system, and the scientific method.

So it has outlived whatever slight usefulness it may have had.

Or it brings comfort and peace to billions.

By flying planes into skyscrapers.

No, by feeding the hungry, comforting the sick, clothing the naked, and visiting the infirmed.

What does religion have to do with any of that?

Many followers of Jesus Christ are inspired by their religion to do such activities.
If that was the only issue, then vote moderation could be avoided more often, since a vote in which the voter does explain sufficiently how at least one point a debater made swung their vote, would be considered sufficient. -Airmax
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11/8/2015 1:36:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 10:32:01 PM, smelisox wrote:


I believe that Christian morals hold people back,
Many Judeo Christian morals encourage self-control,honesty and modesty.
For example, among the ten commandments include:

"Thou shalt not steal"

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods"

"Thou shalt not bear false witness" so on and so forth.

Imagine the great bounds of science we could make without vegetarians stopping it. "Well I'd rather you save one mouse then cure cancer, you awful human being. I hope you die, scum."

They only make up an extreme minority in vegetarians. Also, their protests do little to signifigantly curb the use of animal testing.

Your birthday is a christian event, christmas is a christian event, a lot of weddings.
There is a reason why the holiday was originally called "Christ Mass", of course it would be labelled a christian even, because it was originally a CHristian Holiday (after the Romans at least).

Marriage is only a christian event if you are in a christian family.

The Bible (and Torah and Quh'ran) all teach that women are inferior. Even Nazis didn't do that.
THis claim is made with no reference to any verses from those three scriptures.

Also, the Nazi's were quite sexist towards woman. They were seen as little then objects of pleasure and reproduction. http://www.academia.edu...

It also convinces children who are indoctrinated by their parents lies that science is bad, since scientists disprove what their parents think.

The inventor of Algebra was a Muslim, the discoverer of the Big Bang was Catholic priest, the inventor of the scientific method was also a Catholic, Astronomy, Medicine and Science all thrived under the Abbasid Caliphate, an Islamic theocracy.

challenged by religious people, who just say everything is because of demons.

Blatant straw man, nothing more to be said.
Some religions don't even accept medical help, letting innocent children who WANT to be helped to DIE because of the religious maniacs mad and cruel beliefs.

Key word, *some*. The vast majority of religions do not hold this belief. So it makes little sense to blame all religions for that.

On the subject of harming children, I could go to jail for hitting someone, but a Jew can saw off a child's penis' skin with a knife, mutilating him for life, in exchange for money?
Circumscision should be ILLEGAL in all western society!

Circumcision has numerous medical benefits. Including the lowered risk of penile cancer, UTI's and numerous Sexually transmitted infections.
Also, religion caused a war because a 15 year old girl was schizophrenic and "Muslims are evil".

And this is in reference to?
"Praise Allah."
~YYW
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11/8/2015 2:55:48 AM
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If religion was so bad, how is it that atheists have higher rates of suicide?

http://www.adherents.com...

According to a recent study published in The American Journal of Psychiatry religious affiliation is associated with significantly lower levels of suicide compared to religiously unaffiliated people, atheists and agnostics. Source: Kanita Dervic, Maria A. Oquendo, Michael F. Grunebaum, Steve Ellis, Ainsley K. Burke, and J. John Mann. "Religious Affiliation and Suicide Attempt" (161:2303-2308, December 2004).
Full article online: http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org...
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11/8/2015 9:43:25 AM
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Very simply because theistfags think they go to hell if they commit suicide. Only atheists can commit suicide, in that case.
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11/8/2015 10:08:03 AM
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At 11/7/2015 10:32:01 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:32:50 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

'Should eradicate' implies 'could eradicate', Smeli.

But is that true?

Magical thinking is understood to be innate to a healthy human mind.

What is religious dogma but magical thinking propagated by people who believe that colluding on it gives it more authority?

And how would you eradicate it? Would you:
1) try to eliminate magical thinking from human thought, whatever psychological harm that might do? Or
2) forbid people to collude in magical thinking? If so, how?

"Magical thinking is understood to be innate to a healthy human mind."
Only a christian would say something like that.

Actually, psychologists do. [https://www.psychologytoday.com...]

The overwhelming evidence is that people will think magically regardless, and that this helps to cushion people psychologically. So whatever you're considering, you need to take that into account. Else, you're pursuing blind ideology, intolerance and indifference.

It's not true that all magical thinking is religious, but once people think magically in collusion, how does that not become religion?
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11/8/2015 10:14:38 AM
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At 11/8/2015 2:55:48 AM, Harikrish wrote:
If religion was so bad, how is it that atheists have higher rates of suicide?

http://www.adherents.com...

According to a recent study published in The American Journal of Psychiatry religious affiliation is associated with significantly lower levels of suicide compared to religiously unaffiliated people, atheists and agnostics. Source: Kanita Dervic, Maria A. Oquendo, Michael F. Grunebaum, Steve Ellis, Ainsley K. Burke, and J. John Mann. "Religious Affiliation and Suicide Attempt" (161:2303-2308, December 2004).
Full article online: http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org...

Can you please tell us how many atheists, and how many theists commit suicide every year?
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11/8/2015 10:17:16 AM
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At 11/8/2015 2:55:48 AM, Harikrish wrote:
If religion was so bad, how is it that atheists have higher rates of suicide?

http://www.adherents.com...

According to a recent study published in The American Journal of Psychiatry religious affiliation is associated with significantly lower levels of suicide compared to religiously unaffiliated people, atheists and agnostics. Source: Kanita Dervic, Maria A. Oquendo, Michael F. Grunebaum, Steve Ellis, Ainsley K. Burke, and J. John Mann. "Religious Affiliation and Suicide Attempt" (161:2303-2308, December 2004).
Full article online: http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org...

Please supply the suicide figures for atheists and religionists.
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11/8/2015 10:19:53 AM
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At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

"Religion" is too broad. I would suggest you be more specific as to what you think should be eradicated.

I think the main problems that need to be combated within religion include....

1) Dogmatism/Not scaling beliefs according to reason & evidence/auto matic rejection of things that contradict said dogmas regardless of their merit and lack of merit for the dogma.
2) Deny other people various things using the God excuse eg, same sex marriage/abortion/contraception
3) Resistance of being subject to critical thinking/examination that we would use anywhere else (eg it's a matter of faith................)
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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11/8/2015 10:33:06 PM
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At 11/8/2015 10:17:16 AM, desmac wrote:
At 11/8/2015 2:55:48 AM, Harikrish wrote:
If religion was so bad, how is it that atheists have higher rates of suicide?

http://www.adherents.com...

According to a recent study published in The American Journal of Psychiatry religious affiliation is associated with significantly lower levels of suicide compared to religiously unaffiliated people, atheists and agnostics. Source: Kanita Dervic, Maria A. Oquendo, Michael F. Grunebaum, Steve Ellis, Ainsley K. Burke, and J. John Mann. "Religious Affiliation and Suicide Attempt" (161:2303-2308, December 2004).
Full article online: http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org...

Please supply the suicide figures for atheists and religionists.

It is given in one of the links. You need to read the links provided.
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11/8/2015 11:27:38 PM
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At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

by progressive I assume you mean a culture berated into submission by media messages of inadequacy (your not good enough unless you buy this), racism (everything is black or white race), bigotry (if you don't allow this you are a bigot), ect... to make a society of sheeple that are too scared to stand up for any moral belief or against the corrosion of freedoms that government should be protecting for them.

By modern I assume you mean a society not governed by morally responsible adults but a society ruled by a parliament of politicians and scientist. While you think religion is an assembly with too much control you are happy to give that control to a different group.

Maybe by "progressive' you mean a society in which anything anyone wants to do should be allowed as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else... Well except the desire to shoot a gun, build a garden, protect life, protect property, grow food, drink room temperature milk, ect...

Or maybe by Modern you mean in a society in which we all interface with devices and technology more than other human beings. In this regard religion that proposes we love each other and assemble as a group of people to promote positive change then religion would be out-dated. Because "modern" societies don't have human bonds and relationships.
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11/9/2015 12:30:11 AM
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Hedonism is very marketable. Indeed, the type of people who want to make money off of you will encourage you along this way of living. Eradicating religion would be in the best interests of the people who are REALLY trying to extort and control you.

Certainly, there are those who use religion for power and profit, but the scriptures state very clearly to withdraw from such people. A good disciple lives modestly, is sincere in their faith, honest with others, charitable towards the needy, and is more inclined to forgive someone than prosecute them.
"There are trivial truths and the great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true." ~ Niels Bohr

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer
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11/9/2015 7:22:13 AM
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At 11/8/2015 11:27:38 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 11/7/2015 8:17:52 AM, smelisox wrote:
There's just no place for religion in a progressive, modern society.

by progressive I assume you mean a culture berated into submission by media messages of inadequacy (your not good enough unless you buy this), racism (everything is black or white race), bigotry (if you don't allow this you are a bigot), ect... to make a society of sheeple that are too scared to stand up for any moral belief or against the corrosion of freedoms that government should be protecting for them.

By modern I assume you mean a society not governed by morally responsible adults but a society ruled by a parliament of politicians and scientist. While you think religion is an assembly with too much control you are happy to give that control to a different group.

Maybe by "progressive' you mean a society in which anything anyone wants to do should be allowed as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else... Well except the desire to shoot a gun, build a garden, protect life, protect property, grow food, drink room temperature milk, ect...

Or maybe by Modern you mean in a society in which we all interface with devices and technology more than other human beings. In this regard religion that proposes we love each other and assemble as a group of people to promote positive change then religion would be out-dated. Because "modern" societies don't have human bonds and relationships.

Four strawmen in one post. Are you going for a record?