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11/10/2015 4:56:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com...
https://www.youtube.com...

How is it we can have a prominent politician running for the presidency making comments like "Any president who doesn"t begin every day on his knees isn't fit to be commander-in-chief of this country" (at a religious liberties convention discussing Christian persecution ironically) and there is no outrage at the bigotry and intolerance, but if a private company doesn't have "Merry Christmas" or Christmas symbols on their coffee cups Christians are being persecuted? (never mind the fact that there was never any symbols of Christianity on their cups to begin with)

If the situation we reversed and we had an atheist saying believers were not fit to be the president of the US, there would be outrage, and rightly so. We can point to many presidents who were believers and did a good job, and some not so much. If being an atheist makes one a bad president, then conversely being a believer should make one a good president and that is demonstrably false. We can't assume someone is right for the job just because they are a believer or vice versa. Additionally, to knock an entire group, and claim them unfit for a *secular* position because they are ...secular, is completely moronic.

I'm not here to bash Christians, but rather the double standard that is so prominent. "Christians are being persecuted" is a common meme, but in my day to day life I see Christians persecuting Muslims/atheists (social media), but somehow, it is the Christians being persecuted when someone fires back. I see illegal symbols of Christianity at government facilities being removed, but somehow, the Christians are being persecuted. I see Christians refusing to acknowledge the law (homosexuality) and being subject to the consequences of that decision, but somehow, it is the Christian being persecuted. The bottom line is stop stirring the pot with other faiths/non believers, don't break the law, and you won't have to worry about the troublesome consequences - which, for @#%!'s sake, is not persecution.

I really hope no one believes Feuerstein has a point about Starbucks, but if you want back that horse, I would be interested to hear what you have to say on that as well.

/rant over.
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11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM
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That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...
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11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.
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11/10/2015 6:56:25 AM
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At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Agreed. But then, shouldn't it have been called a "Christian liberties conference"?

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.
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11/10/2015 7:48:48 AM
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" right-wing pastor Kevin Swanson introduced Cruz to the stage to ask him how important it was for candidates to submit to Jesus Christ as "the king of the President of the United States."

Vote for the guy who has the invisible friend telling him what to do..........................
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11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM
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At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.
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11/10/2015 10:37:05 AM
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At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

god told them to.
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11/10/2015 1:23:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

Not a valid reason.
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11/10/2015 4:49:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 1:23:10 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

Not a valid reason.

Since when did christians need valid reasons for anything?
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11/10/2015 5:04:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 1:23:10 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

Not a valid reason.

That would probably depend on who's judging the validity of the reason. But do you think that generally atheists are more trustworthy than Muslims?
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11/10/2015 5:06:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 10:37:05 AM, desmac wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

god told them to.

Right. As long as you never have to take a close look at yourself.
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11/10/2015 5:08:57 PM
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At 11/10/2015 4:49:40 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/10/2015 1:23:10 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

Not a valid reason.

Since when did christians need valid reasons for anything?

Atheists rank lower than Muslims even when non-Christians are polled. But the problem is certainly with the rest of the world, not you. You're fine. The world is bonkers.
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11/10/2015 5:16:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 5:08:57 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 4:49:40 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/10/2015 1:23:10 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

Not a valid reason.

Since when did christians need valid reasons for anything?

Atheists rank lower than Muslims even when non-Christians are polled. But the problem is certainly with the rest of the world, not you. You're fine. The world is bonkers

Maybe the goddess who created the world was bonkers then.
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11/10/2015 5:21:19 PM
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At 11/10/2015 5:16:02 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:08:57 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 4:49:40 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/10/2015 1:23:10 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

Not a valid reason.

Since when did christians need valid reasons for anything?

Atheists rank lower than Muslims even when non-Christians are polled. But the problem is certainly with the rest of the world, not you. You're fine. The world is bonkers

Maybe the goddess who created the world was bonkers then.

As long as the problem is never you.
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11/10/2015 5:31:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 4:56:07 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com...
https://www.youtube.com...

How is it we can have a prominent politician running for the presidency making comments like "Any president who doesn"t begin every day on his knees isn't fit to be commander-in-chief of this country" (at a religious liberties convention discussing Christian persecution ironically) and there is no outrage at the bigotry and intolerance, but if a private company doesn't have "Merry Christmas" or Christmas symbols on their coffee cups Christians are being persecuted? (never mind the fact that there was never any symbols of Christianity on their cups to begin with)

If the situation we reversed and we had an atheist saying believers were not fit to be the president of the US, there would be outrage, and rightly so. We can point to many presidents who were believers and did a good job, and some not so much. If being an atheist makes one a bad president, then conversely being a believer should make one a good president and that is demonstrably false. We can't assume someone is right for the job just because they are a believer or vice versa. Additionally, to knock an entire group, and claim them unfit for a *secular* position because they are ...secular, is completely moronic.

I'm not here to bash Christians, but rather the double standard that is so prominent. "Christians are being persecuted" is a common meme, but in my day to day life I see Christians persecuting Muslims/atheists (social media), but somehow, it is the Christians being persecuted when someone fires back. I see illegal symbols of Christianity at government facilities being removed, but somehow, the Christians are being persecuted. I see Christians refusing to acknowledge the law (homosexuality) and being subject to the consequences of that decision, but somehow, it is the Christian being persecuted. The bottom line is stop stirring the pot with other faiths/non believers, don't break the law, and you won't have to worry about the troublesome consequences - which, for @#%!'s sake, is not persecution.

I really hope no one believes Feuerstein has a point about Starbucks, but if you want back that horse, I would be interested to hear what you have to say on that as well.

/rant over.

If you are looking for what one might perceive as fairness in politics and or business. You don"t have a grip on the reality of human nature, and the freedoms in this country. They will use what ever means, to win what they value.

And it"s agreed in this country (the USA) "in so many words" that all is fair in politics and money. No ethical logic required. No intelligence required. Just winning.

It doesn"t matter to the predator how he gets his victim, if he"s eating it. And nobody complains about the bad play calling by the ref"s, even against thier own team, if their team wins the game.
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11/10/2015 5:32:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

Of course. If people held certain opinions for no reason whatsoever, that would be a much more profound observation. And if people believed what they do for logical rather than emotional reasons, then that would be still more profound-- and even more unlikely.
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11/10/2015 6:29:22 PM
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At 11/10/2015 5:32:45 PM, Fly wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

Of course. If people held certain opinions for no reason whatsoever, that would be a much more profound observation. And if people believed what they do for logical rather than emotional reasons, then that would be still more profound-- and even more unlikely.

Is your reason logical or emotional?
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11/10/2015 6:51:48 PM
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At 11/10/2015 6:29:22 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:32:45 PM, Fly wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

Of course. If people held certain opinions for no reason whatsoever, that would be a much more profound observation. And if people believed what they do for logical rather than emotional reasons, then that would be still more profound-- and even more unlikely.

Is your reason logical or emotional?

My reason for what, exactly?

For future reference, it isn't necessarily a strict "either/or" proposition. Reasons for holding certain opinions can ALSO have a mixture of logical and emotional basis.
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11/10/2015 7:07:44 PM
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At 11/10/2015 5:21:19 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:16:02 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:08:57 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 4:49:40 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/10/2015 1:23:10 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

Not a valid reason.

Since when did christians need valid reasons for anything?

Atheists rank lower than Muslims even when non-Christians are polled. But the problem is certainly with the rest of the world, not you. You're fine. The world is bonkers

Maybe the goddess who created the world was bonkers then.

As long as the problem is never you.

Religion has a fine, millennia-long history of blaming the victim for its vilification.

Ethan is not only willing to keep that history alive, he resents the idea that some religious people tolerate rejection of their faith.
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11/10/2015 7:09:14 PM
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At 11/10/2015 5:04:43 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 1:23:10 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

Not a valid reason.

That would probably depend on who's judging the validity of the reason. But do you think that generally atheists are more trustworthy than Muslims?

I would think Muslims, Atheists, and Christians are comparably trustworthy. If you think differently, then show us your valid reason(s) and the evidence that lead you to them.
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11/10/2015 7:17:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 5:08:57 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 4:49:40 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/10/2015 1:23:10 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:19:28 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:52:27 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Well, I dont know if we could go that far - it was a Christian audience.

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

Yup.

There is a reason why they do.

Not a valid reason.

Since when did christians need valid reasons for anything?

Atheists rank lower than Muslims even when non-Christians are polled. But the problem is certainly with the rest of the world, not you. You're fine. The world is bonkers.

You do know what "valid" means, right? An argument from popularity is not a rational basis for your "valid" reason.
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11/10/2015 7:20:56 PM
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At 11/10/2015 5:31:58 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 11/10/2015 4:56:07 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com...
https://www.youtube.com...

How is it we can have a prominent politician running for the presidency making comments like "Any president who doesn"t begin every day on his knees isn't fit to be commander-in-chief of this country" (at a religious liberties convention discussing Christian persecution ironically) and there is no outrage at the bigotry and intolerance, but if a private company doesn't have "Merry Christmas" or Christmas symbols on their coffee cups Christians are being persecuted? (never mind the fact that there was never any symbols of Christianity on their cups to begin with)

If the situation we reversed and we had an atheist saying believers were not fit to be the president of the US, there would be outrage, and rightly so. We can point to many presidents who were believers and did a good job, and some not so much. If being an atheist makes one a bad president, then conversely being a believer should make one a good president and that is demonstrably false. We can't assume someone is right for the job just because they are a believer or vice versa. Additionally, to knock an entire group, and claim them unfit for a *secular* position because they are ...secular, is completely moronic.

I'm not here to bash Christians, but rather the double standard that is so prominent. "Christians are being persecuted" is a common meme, but in my day to day life I see Christians persecuting Muslims/atheists (social media), but somehow, it is the Christians being persecuted when someone fires back. I see illegal symbols of Christianity at government facilities being removed, but somehow, the Christians are being persecuted. I see Christians refusing to acknowledge the law (homosexuality) and being subject to the consequences of that decision, but somehow, it is the Christian being persecuted. The bottom line is stop stirring the pot with other faiths/non believers, don't break the law, and you won't have to worry about the troublesome consequences - which, for @#%!'s sake, is not persecution.

I really hope no one believes Feuerstein has a point about Starbucks, but if you want back that horse, I would be interested to hear what you have to say on that as well.

/rant over.

If you are looking for what one might perceive as fairness in politics and or business. You don"t have a grip on the reality of human nature, and the freedoms in this country. They will use what ever means, to win what they value.

And it"s agreed in this country (the USA) "in so many words" that all is fair in politics and money. No ethical logic required. No intelligence required. Just winning.

It doesn"t matter to the predator how he gets his victim, if he"s eating it. And nobody complains about the bad play calling by the ref"s, even against thier own team, if their team wins the game.

I generally agree with you, but I am no longer content to ignore it and hope it goes away.
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11/10/2015 8:17:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 7:20:56 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
I generally agree with you, but I am no longer content to ignore it and hope it goes away.

Hypocrisy is ingrained in human nature and the ones that admit their hypocrisy have some promise. As one who is a Christian understands that human beings are liars from their youth, me included of course, and sees that both sides of any political effort, business, human activity, one can expect people to be in their comfort zone of what is human nature.

It"s not in, or a part of human nature to keep an agreement (be ethical), as in keep his end of the bargain, so to speak. The only way mankind keeps an agreement, is for fear of consequence, or love for that which they are in agreement with. So it"s an us and them scenario at all times. And one is not in agreement with the enemy. One is in agreement with the "us", not the "them".

Its fair if the, "we" win and the "we" were robed when the "they" win. It doesn"t matter what side you are on, in the, "what is fair" category of things. And it seems that all thats being done here, is to rally hate for the perceived enemy of what one values, trying muster the us and them scenario. No different then what I have seen in many churches. Same human nature cloaked in different flags.
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11/10/2015 10:25:49 PM
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I don't feel persecuted by Starbucks, and couldn't care less what Starbucks does, much like most all Christians.

We are persecuted, but not by Starbucks.
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11/10/2015 10:27:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

If ISIS beheading Christians isn't persecution, then I don't know what is.
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11/10/2015 11:03:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 10:27:47 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

If ISIS beheading Christians isn't persecution, then I don't know what is.

You should glean from the context that I was referring to the trend within the USA.
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11/11/2015 3:00:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/10/2015 11:03:21 PM, Fly wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:27:47 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

If ISIS beheading Christians isn't persecution, then I don't know what is.

You should glean from the context that I was referring to the trend within the USA.

Okay. Christian kids in school being killed after asked if they believed in Jesus or God.
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11/11/2015 4:22:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/11/2015 3:00:16 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 11:03:21 PM, Fly wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:27:47 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

If ISIS beheading Christians isn't persecution, then I don't know what is.

You should glean from the context that I was referring to the trend within the USA.

Okay. Christian kids in school being killed after asked if they believed in Jesus or God.

Good to know that I am immune from being shot by such biased mass shooters.

You are exemplifying what I am talking about rather than refuting it, btw.
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11/12/2015 2:17:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/11/2015 4:22:25 AM, Fly wrote:
At 11/11/2015 3:00:16 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 11:03:21 PM, Fly wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:27:47 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

If ISIS beheading Christians isn't persecution, then I don't know what is.

You should glean from the context that I was referring to the trend within the USA.

Okay. Christian kids in school being killed after asked if they believed in Jesus or God.

Good to know that I am immune from being shot by such biased mass shooters.

You are exemplifying what I am talking about rather than refuting it, btw.

Christ taught love. You stand against the belief, as do many. We get it.
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11/12/2015 2:33:03 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/12/2015 2:17:01 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 11/11/2015 4:22:25 AM, Fly wrote:
At 11/11/2015 3:00:16 AM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 11:03:21 PM, Fly wrote:
At 11/10/2015 10:27:47 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 11/10/2015 5:34:15 AM, Fly wrote:
That's the extreme irony of the persecution complex-- loss of dominance is perceived as persecution. Good to know that Cruz would be OK with a Muslim prez, unlike at least one of his GOP opponents... right...

Polls show that atheists rate lower than Muslims in trustworthiness, though. That's messed up...

If ISIS beheading Christians isn't persecution, then I don't know what is.

You should glean from the context that I was referring to the trend within the USA.

Okay. Christian kids in school being killed after asked if they believed in Jesus or God.

Good to know that I am immune from being shot by such biased mass shooters.

You are exemplifying what I am talking about rather than refuting it, btw.

Christ taught love. You stand against the belief, as do many. We get it.

Using percentages, how many? And from what I have gathered, Christians decidedly do NOT get nonbelief.
"You don't have a right to be a jerk."
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