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9/26/2010 10:49:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
To most atheists, the word "faith" and the phrase "blind faith" are synonymous. I assume this is different for religious people. So what is faith to you religious people? Is is a way of separating truth from falsehood? If so, how reliable do you believe it is at doing that? Why is faith considered a good thing to have? What is the point of faith? Is it to provide consolation? Can it only provide false consolation? What do religious people think of phrases like "reason vs. faith"?
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9/26/2010 10:57:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 10:49:42 PM, vbaculum wrote:
To most atheists, the word "faith" and the phrase "blind faith" are synonymous. I assume this is different for religious people. So what is faith to you religious people? Is is a way of separating truth from falsehood? If so, how reliable do you believe it is at doing that? Why is faith considered a good thing to have? What is the point of faith? Is it to provide consolation? Can it only provide false consolation? What do religious people think of phrases like "reason vs. faith"?

Faith is believing without seeing. Gut instinct. Can't explain it but knowing it's there. Faith is Hope. Faith is knowing that it will be ok without any proof that it will. Faith is going to sleep tonight thinking about tomorrow. Faith is thinking of tomorrow.
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9/26/2010 11:24:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The antidote to frustration is a calm faith, not in your own
cleverness, or in hard toil, but in God's guidance.
- Norman Vincent Peale

Faith isn't the ability to believe long and far into the misty future.
It's simply taking God at His Word and taking the next step.
- Joni Erickson Tada

Optimism is the faith that leads to achievement. Nothing can
be done without hope and confidence.
- Helen Keller

Without faith a man can do nothing; with it all things
are possible.
- Sir William Osler

Where hope grows, miracles blossom.
- Elna Rae

I would rather err on the side of faith than on the side of doubt.
- Robert Schuller

Faith is a bird that feels dawn breaking and sings while it is
still dark.
- Rabindranath Tagore

When the heart weeps for what is lost, the spirit laughs for
what it has found.
- Sufi Aphorism

The great lesson is that the sacred is in the ordinary, that it is to
be found in one's daily life, in one's neighbors, friends, and
family, in one's backyard.
- Abraham Maslow

This then is salvation - when we marvel at the beauty of created
things and praise their beautiful Creator.
- Meister Eckart

All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have
not seen.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

The root of all difficulties is a lack of the sense of the
Presence of God.
- Emmett Fox

Have faith, knowing tomorrow will hold the blessings of God.
- Robert Schuller, Jr.

The heart that is generous and kind most resembles God.
- Robert Burns

Faith is daring the soul to go beyond what the eyes can see.
- William Newton Clark

Thank you, Lord, for the sheer joy of wanting to get up and
help the world go around.
- Roxie Gibson

Fear knocked at the door and faith answered. No one was
there.
- Old English Proverb

Everything in life is most fundamentally a gift. And you
receive it best, and you live it best, by holding it with very
open hands.
- Less O'Donavan

If the only prayer you ever say in life is "Thank you". . . that is
enough.
- Meister Eckert

The most universally awesome experience that mankind knows
is to stand alone on a clear night and look at the stars. It
was God who first set the stars in space; He is their Maker
and Master . . . such are His power and His majesty.
- J. I. Packer

There are only two ways to live . . . one is as though nothing is
a miracle. . . the other is as if everything is.
- Albert Einstein

Open your hearts to the love God instills . . . God loves you
tenderly. What He gives you is not to be kept under lock
and key, but to be shared.
- Mother Teresa

Miracles are not a contradiction of nature. They are only in
contradiction of what we know of nature.
- St. Augustine

Were there no God, we would be in this glorious world with
grateful hearts and no one to thank.
- Christina Rossetti

Allow your dreams a place in your prayers and plans. God-given
dreams can help you move into the future He is preparing
for you.
- Barbara Johnson

As you practice counting your blessings, you will find that your
faith is being suddenly revitalized.
- Robert Schuller

God moves in mysterious way His wonders to perform; He
plants his footsteps on the sea and rides upon the storm.
- William Cowper

If we just give God the little that we have, we can trust Him to
make it go around.
- Gloria Gaither

When I look at the galaxies on a clear night - when I look at the
incredible brilliance of creation, and think that this is what
God is like, then instead of feeling intimidated and diminished
by it, I am enlarged . . . I rejoice that I am a part of it.
- Madeleine L. Engle

God's fingers can touch nothing but to mold it into loveliness.
- George MacDonald

Live for today, but hold your hands open to tomorrow.
Anticipate the future and its changes with joy. There
is a seed of God's love in every event, every unpleasant
situation in which you may find yourself.
- Barbara Johnson

Our Creator would never have made such lovely days, and
given us the deep hearts to enjoy them, above and beyond
all thought, unless we were meant to be immortal.
- Nathaniel Hawthorne

Faith is no irresponsible shot in the dark. It is a responsible
trust in God, who knows the desires of your hearts, the
dreams you are given, and the goals you have set. He will
guide your paths right.
- Robert Schuller

Make two homes for thyself, my daughter. One actual home . . .
and the other a spiritual home which thou are to carry with
thee always.
- Catherine of Sienna

Grace and gratitude belong together like heaven and earth.
Gratitude evokes grace like the voice and echo. Gratitude
follows grace as thunder follows lightning.
- Karl Barth

Listen to your life. See it for the fathomless mystery that it is.
Touch, taste, smell your way to the holy and hidden heart
of it because in the last analysis all moments are sacred
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9/26/2010 11:24:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Faith is reacting positively to a negative situation.
- Dr. Robert Schuller

To have faith in the Creator to provide all your needs and
desires is to be borne along through the difficulties of life
as on wings of air.

Eating lunch with a friend, hearing the rain patter against the
window. There is no event so commonplace but that God
is present within it, always hidden, always leaving room to
recognize Him or not to recognize Him.

We are at peace with God and all mankind when we hear the
silence and do not feel alone.

Those who have faith need no explanation, for those who
have no faith, no explanation is possible.

Sorrow looks back, worry looks around, faith looks up.

Fear ends where faith begins.

When we let go of fear, only then can we gracefully move from
what was into the miracle of what can be.

It is such comfort to drop the tangles of life into God's
hands and leave them there.

The Lord will either calm your storm . . . or allow it to rage while
He calms you.

Calmness is the way we show that we are trusting in God.

Childlike faith focuses on our Heavenly Father - not on our fears.
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9/26/2010 11:36:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 10:57:51 PM, jharry wrote:
At 9/26/2010 10:49:42 PM, vbaculum wrote:
To most atheists, the word "faith" and the phrase "blind faith" are synonymous. I assume this is different for religious people. So what is faith to you religious people? Is is a way of separating truth from falsehood? If so, how reliable do you believe it is at doing that? Why is faith considered a good thing to have? What is the point of faith? Is it to provide consolation? Can it only provide false consolation? What do religious people think of phrases like "reason vs. faith"?

Faith is believing without seeing. Gut instinct. Can't explain it but knowing it's there. Faith is Hope. Faith is knowing that it will be ok without any proof that it will. Faith is going to sleep tonight thinking about tomorrow. Faith is thinking of tomorrow.

Except to most people that is idiotic. Not that I agree with them, I'm just sayin'.
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9/26/2010 11:40:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
This looks like a question for innomen.

@jharry

Many of those quotes had nothing to do with faith and especially that Einstien quote, that seemed to undermine the religious attitude, not support it.
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9/26/2010 11:41:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 11:40:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
This looks like a question for innomen.

@jharry

Many of those quotes had nothing to do with faith and especially that Einstien quote, that seemed to undermine the religious attitude, not support it.

I'm sure he will do much better then I.
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9/26/2010 11:43:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 11:40:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
This looks like a question for innomen.

@jharry

Many of those quotes had nothing to do with faith and especially that Einstien quote, that seemed to undermine the religious attitude, not support it.

Never said it did either. Wasn't trying to support anything. Just answering a question. Which ones didn't have anything to do with faith?
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9/26/2010 11:44:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I forgot the verse, I just read it the other day at bible study, but here's a paraphrase:

To believe with certainty what you hope.
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9/26/2010 11:45:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 11:44:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I forgot the verse, I just read it the other day at bible study, but here's a paraphrase:

To believe with certainty what you hope.

Hmmm. Not sure which one that is. Are you sure it has hope and believe in the same verse?
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9/26/2010 11:46:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 10:57:51 PM, jharry wrote:
At 9/26/2010 10:49:42 PM, vbaculum wrote:
To most atheists, the word "faith" and the phrase "blind faith" are synonymous. I assume this is different for religious people. So what is faith to you religious people? Is is a way of separating truth from falsehood? If so, how reliable do you believe it is at doing that? Why is faith considered a good thing to have? What is the point of faith? Is it to provide consolation? Can it only provide false consolation? What do religious people think of phrases like "reason vs. faith"?

Faith is believing without seeing. Gut instinct. Can't explain it but knowing it's there. Faith is Hope. Faith is knowing that it will be ok without any proof that it will. Faith is going to sleep tonight thinking about tomorrow. Faith is thinking of tomorrow.

See, this is getting me no where. You're saying faith is:
Believing without seeing (blind faith)
Instinct
Intuition
Hope
Consolation
"Thinking of tomorrow"

So, what is one suppose to do with this response?
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9/26/2010 11:46:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 11:44:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I forgot the verse, I just read it the other day at bible study, but here's a paraphrase:

To believe with certainty what you hope.

Romans 4:18
Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, "So shall your offspring be."

1 Timothy 4:10
(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

1 Peter 1:21
Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

????
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9/26/2010 11:50:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 11:46:39 PM, vbaculum wrote:
At 9/26/2010 10:57:51 PM, jharry wrote:
At 9/26/2010 10:49:42 PM, vbaculum wrote:
To most atheists, the word "faith" and the phrase "blind faith" are synonymous. I assume this is different for religious people. So what is faith to you religious people? Is is a way of separating truth from falsehood? If so, how reliable do you believe it is at doing that? Why is faith considered a good thing to have? What is the point of faith? Is it to provide consolation? Can it only provide false consolation? What do religious people think of phrases like "reason vs. faith"?

Faith is believing without seeing. Gut instinct. Can't explain it but knowing it's there. Faith is Hope. Faith is knowing that it will be ok without any proof that it will. Faith is going to sleep tonight thinking about tomorrow. Faith is thinking of tomorrow.

See, this is getting me no where. You're saying faith is:
Believing without seeing (blind faith)
Instinct
Intuition
Hope
Consolation
"Thinking of tomorrow"

So, what is one suppose to do with this response?

The quotes say it far better then I can ever hope too. Your responding to what I wrote.

To me faith is knowing that what I have learned and experienced is correct. That what has been written is true and accurate. And in that I have hope. Someone can learn so much from books and science, but until you live a while and experience all that life has in store for you it becomes clearer what truth really is.
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9/26/2010 11:56:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 11:46:39 PM, vbaculum wrote:
At 9/26/2010 10:57:51 PM, jharry wrote:
At 9/26/2010 10:49:42 PM, vbaculum wrote:
To most atheists, the word "faith" and the phrase "blind faith" are synonymous. I assume this is different for religious people. So what is faith to you religious people? Is is a way of separating truth from falsehood? If so, how reliable do you believe it is at doing that? Why is faith considered a good thing to have? What is the point of faith? Is it to provide consolation? Can it only provide false consolation? What do religious people think of phrases like "reason vs. faith"?

Faith is believing without seeing. Gut instinct. Can't explain it but knowing it's there. Faith is Hope. Faith is knowing that it will be ok without any proof that it will. Faith is going to sleep tonight thinking about tomorrow. Faith is thinking of tomorrow.

See, this is getting me no where. You're saying faith is:
Believing without seeing (blind faith)
Instinct
Intuition
Hope
Consolation
"Thinking of tomorrow"

So, what is one suppose to do with this response?

To me personally most of the people here are like geniuses to me. Yall are some of the smartest people I've ever had the privilege of meeting. But at the same exact time yall can be some of the most ignorant people I have ever met. Not ignorant like dumb, far from dumb. Or even farther from low IQ's and vast knowledge on many topics and learning. I mean ignorant in life in general. Yeah you can quote so many people and studies but have never lived any of them or experienced half of what this life means. I know I'm destroying this but I've never been good at putting words into writing. Sorry.

I'm sure innomen can make it much clearer then I.
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9/26/2010 11:56:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 11:45:27 PM, jharry wrote:
At 9/26/2010 11:44:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I forgot the verse, I just read it the other day at bible study, but here's a paraphrase:

To believe with certainty what you hope.

Hmmm. Not sure which one that is. Are you sure it has hope and believe in the same verse?

Yeah. I think it was NIV but I'm not sure. If I find it I'll post it.
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9/26/2010 11:57:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 11:56:25 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 9/26/2010 11:45:27 PM, jharry wrote:
At 9/26/2010 11:44:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I forgot the verse, I just read it the other day at bible study, but here's a paraphrase:

To believe with certainty what you hope.

Hmmm. Not sure which one that is. Are you sure it has hope and believe in the same verse?

Yeah. I think it was NIV but I'm not sure. If I find it I'll post it.

Alright, I'm interested.
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9/27/2010 12:05:21 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 11:57:31 PM, jharry wrote:
At 9/26/2010 11:56:25 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 9/26/2010 11:45:27 PM, jharry wrote:
At 9/26/2010 11:44:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I forgot the verse, I just read it the other day at bible study, but here's a paraphrase:

To believe with certainty what you hope.

Hmmm. Not sure which one that is. Are you sure it has hope and believe in the same verse?

Yeah. I think it was NIV but I'm not sure. If I find it I'll post it.

Alright, I'm interested.

Okay, I was wrong, it didn't have the word "believe". But here it is.

"Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see."
~ Hebrews 11:1
GRAND POOBAH OF DDO

fnord
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9/27/2010 12:06:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 11:40:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
This looks like a question for innomen.

@jharry

Many of those quotes had nothing to do with faith and especially that Einstien quote, that seemed to undermine the religious attitude, not support it.

See, Geo. I don't think that I have to prove anything, I'm at complete peace with all I believe. I have all I will ever need for my time on this earth, it's all right here inside of me. If I did want to prove anything it would be nothing more then a pass time or a good conversation. I need nothing more then I already have, faith gives me that. I feel like that if I was forced to try and prove anything it wouldn't be from any outside force, it would be nothing more then an internal battle with myself.
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9/27/2010 12:08:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/27/2010 12:05:21 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 9/26/2010 11:57:31 PM, jharry wrote:
At 9/26/2010 11:56:25 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 9/26/2010 11:45:27 PM, jharry wrote:
At 9/26/2010 11:44:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I forgot the verse, I just read it the other day at bible study, but here's a paraphrase:

To believe with certainty what you hope.

Hmmm. Not sure which one that is. Are you sure it has hope and believe in the same verse?

Yeah. I think it was NIV but I'm not sure. If I find it I'll post it.

Alright, I'm interested.

Okay, I was wrong, it didn't have the word "believe". But here it is.

"Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see."
~ Hebrews 11:1

Great verse!
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9/27/2010 12:10:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/27/2010 12:07:59 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Faith: belief in something based on unidentified feelings about its truth-value.

Pretty much it.
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9/27/2010 12:13:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 11:36:11 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Except to most people that is idiotic. Not that I agree with them, I'm just sayin'.

You were against faith, now you're for it?

I thought you are against faith which is why you take the Agnostic position. You said that to take the Theist or Atheist position you are taking an extreme position based on knowledge you don't have, which in other words means you are against both positions because they're faith based.
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9/27/2010 12:14:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/27/2010 12:13:39 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/26/2010 11:36:11 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Except to most people that is idiotic. Not that I agree with them, I'm just sayin'.

You were against faith, now you're for it?

I thought you are against faith which is why you take the Agnostic position. You said that to take the Theist or Atheist position you are taking an extreme position based on knowledge you don't have, which in other words means you are against both positions because they're faith based.

I am generally against extreme faith. I'm not saying other people can't have faith though.
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9/27/2010 12:15:48 AM
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At 9/26/2010 11:36:11 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/26/2010 10:57:51 PM, jharry wrote:
At 9/26/2010 10:49:42 PM, vbaculum wrote:
To most atheists, the word "faith" and the phrase "blind faith" are synonymous. I assume this is different for religious people. So what is faith to you religious people? Is is a way of separating truth from falsehood? If so, how reliable do you believe it is at doing that? Why is faith considered a good thing to have? What is the point of faith? Is it to provide consolation? Can it only provide false consolation? What do religious people think of phrases like "reason vs. faith"?

Faith is believing without seeing. Gut instinct. Can't explain it but knowing it's there. Faith is Hope. Faith is knowing that it will be ok without any proof that it will. Faith is going to sleep tonight thinking about tomorrow. Faith is thinking of tomorrow.

Except to most people that is idiotic. Not that I agree with them, I'm just sayin'.

Sorry I missed your post somehow. Most people? Surely you don't consider this site most people?
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9/27/2010 12:17:03 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/26/2010 11:56:04 PM, jharry wrote:
I'm sure innomen can make it much clearer then I.

Just an fyi, I wasn't implying that innomen could answer better than you, just that innomen seems to talk about faith the most.
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9/27/2010 12:18:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/27/2010 12:15:48 AM, jharry wrote:

Sorry I missed your post somehow. Most people? Surely you don't consider this site most people?

I will admit, most people I have ever talked to about religion have only been online. I only know Christians and a few Atheists in real life so I don't get much interaction with people of other faiths.
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9/27/2010 12:18:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/27/2010 12:17:03 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 9/26/2010 11:56:04 PM, jharry wrote:
I'm sure innomen can make it much clearer then I.

Just an fyi, I wasn't implying that innomen could answer better than you, just that innomen seems to talk about faith the most.

Thank you, I think. But innomen is far more skilled then I when it comes to translating thought to writing. I'm a dumb hick, and proud of it. But nevertheless, I agree even if you don't. :)
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9/27/2010 12:19:41 AM
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Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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9/27/2010 12:20:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/27/2010 12:19:41 AM, wush wrote:
Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Very good quote, thank you.
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