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11/12/2015 10:30:49 PM
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At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

We don't know, but it's being studied.
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11/13/2015 6:27:28 AM
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At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

Well, the definition of consciousness is:

"the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings."

The above would have a huge advantage in natural selection (for predators and such), and therefore, those with consciousness would better survive, carrying it onto the next generation. Not that hard is it?
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Sorry, perhaps you wanted the simplistic, easily digestible, credulous, theistic version. Goddidit.

Was that even at all necessary to add?
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11/13/2015 9:53:12 AM
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At 11/13/2015 6:59:51 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 11/13/2015 4:23:17 AM, dee-em wrote:
Sorry, perhaps you wanted the simplistic, easily digestible, credulous, theistic version. Goddidit.

Was that even at all necessary to add?

Probably not, but I am highly skeptical of his motives given his posting history.
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11/13/2015 10:00:34 AM
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At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

It's not known yet. It's being worked out. We may or may not arrive at a satisfactory answer in the future. Anxiety from not knowing should not propel us to make an explanation up.
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11/13/2015 11:02:01 AM
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At 11/13/2015 6:59:51 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 11/13/2015 4:23:17 AM, dee-em wrote:
Sorry, perhaps you wanted the simplistic, easily digestible, credulous, theistic version. Goddidit.

Was that even at all necessary to add?

if atheists and anti-theists bother you so much, then why don't you pray and ask why doesn't your god convince us of their existence?
is your god even able to convince me of it's existence?
that is a simple yes or no.
if your god isn't able to convince me, then what happened that you were convinced?
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11/13/2015 11:36:20 AM
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At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

from monkeys, how else!!!
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11/13/2015 3:02:24 PM
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At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

In incremental stages.
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11/13/2015 3:18:46 PM
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At 11/13/2015 6:27:28 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

Well, the definition of consciousness is:

"the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings."

Those are two VERY different things, though - 'aware of' and 'responsive to'. A machine can be made responsive to its surroundings. 'Aware of' is something else entirely.


The above would have a huge advantage in natural selection (for predators and such), and therefore, those with consciousness would better survive, carrying it onto the next generation. Not that hard is it?

No, but also quite irrelevant to the evolutionary explanation. Things do not evolve because they would be a good idea or because they would confer an advantage. Things emerge only by random mutation. Then, if they happen to confer an advantage, they reproduce in larger numbers than specimens without the mutation. So the thing that must be explained is the sequence of mutations that would blindly produce consciousness.

And it's not at all obvious to me that awareness IS an evolutionary advantage. Responsiveness obviously is, but I don't see where awareness of heat is more advantageous than responding to heat. Those species without any apparent awareness seem to be surviving just fine.
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11/13/2015 3:38:51 PM
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At 11/13/2015 3:18:46 PM, v3nesl wrote:
At 11/13/2015 6:27:28 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

Well, the definition of consciousness is:

"the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings."

Those are two VERY different things, though - 'aware of' and 'responsive to'. A machine can be made responsive to its surroundings. 'Aware of' is something else entirely.


The above would have a huge advantage in natural selection (for predators and such), and therefore, those with consciousness would better survive, carrying it onto the next generation. Not that hard is it?

No, but also quite irrelevant to the evolutionary explanation. Things do not evolve because they would be a good idea or because they would confer an advantage. Things emerge only by random mutation. Then, if they happen to confer an advantage, they reproduce in larger numbers than specimens without the mutation. So the thing that must be explained is the sequence of mutations that would blindly produce consciousness.

And it's not at all obvious to me that awareness IS an evolutionary advantage. Responsiveness obviously is, but I don't see where awareness of heat is more advantageous than responding to heat. Those species without any apparent awareness seem to be surviving just fine.

Do you have any idea how many species are going extinct every day.
99% of species that have ever existed are extinct.
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11/13/2015 3:42:37 PM
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At 11/13/2015 3:38:51 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/13/2015 3:18:46 PM, v3nesl wrote:
At 11/13/2015 6:27:28 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

Well, the definition of consciousness is:

"the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings."

Those are two VERY different things, though - 'aware of' and 'responsive to'. A machine can be made responsive to its surroundings. 'Aware of' is something else entirely.


The above would have a huge advantage in natural selection (for predators and such), and therefore, those with consciousness would better survive, carrying it onto the next generation. Not that hard is it?

No, but also quite irrelevant to the evolutionary explanation. Things do not evolve because they would be a good idea or because they would confer an advantage. Things emerge only by random mutation. Then, if they happen to confer an advantage, they reproduce in larger numbers than specimens without the mutation. So the thing that must be explained is the sequence of mutations that would blindly produce consciousness.

And it's not at all obvious to me that awareness IS an evolutionary advantage. Responsiveness obviously is, but I don't see where awareness of heat is more advantageous than responding to heat. Those species without any apparent awareness seem to be surviving just fine.

Do you have any idea how many species are going extinct every day.
99% of species that have ever existed are extinct.

Interesting factoid, but I think it factors off both side of the consciousness equation. I don't see any reason to think man will outlive the cockroach.
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11/13/2015 5:35:46 PM
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When God created Adam and Eve, they were living in oblivious bliss. But after eating of the forbidden fruit of knowledge they became aware for the first time of their nakedness.
So consciousness did it evolve, it was instantaneous.
According to Darwin the process was much slower because he begins with in his theory of evolution natural selection and common ancestry.
Darwin wrote in the Descent of Man:"The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded."
Consciousness development is a gradual and long process if your common ancestor was a monkey.
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11/15/2015 3:09:26 AM
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At 11/13/2015 3:18:46 PM, v3nesl wrote:
At 11/13/2015 6:27:28 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

Well, the definition of consciousness is:

"the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings."

Those are two VERY different things, though - 'aware of' and 'responsive to'. A machine can be made responsive to its surroundings. 'Aware of' is something else entirely.

Really? Well what does "aware" mean?

Aware: "having knowledge or perception of a situation or fact."
Having perception, though not FULLY implemented in robots, is definitely in things such as robots. Even some advanced robots can recall being in a similar situation and proceeds to do what it perceives should be done for that situation.

If robots had NO knowledge or perception of their surroundings, they wouldn't work at all.

The above would have a huge advantage in natural selection (for predators and such), and therefore, those with consciousness would better survive, carrying it onto the next generation. Not that hard is it?

No, but also quite irrelevant to the evolutionary explanation. Things do not evolve because they would be a good idea or because they would confer an advantage. Things emerge only by random mutation. Then, if they happen to confer an advantage, they reproduce in larger numbers than specimens without the mutation. So the thing that must be explained is the sequence of mutations that would blindly produce consciousness.

I am aware of this, and I was giving a very basic rundown on how it would have effected the organism. Perceiving and being aware of your surroundings (consciousness) is made up of many things such as feelings, eyes, ears and more. All of these components together would create consciousness.

And it's not at all obvious to me that awareness IS an evolutionary advantage. Responsiveness obviously is, but I don't see where awareness of heat is more advantageous than responding to heat. Those species without any apparent awareness seem to be surviving just fine.

Well, is you simply responded to heat every time you encountered heat, that would be considered stupid. If your aware of heat, you would try not to make the same mistake of touching something hot again, rather than doing it over and over again. Same goes for predators.
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11/15/2015 4:49:28 AM
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At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

Are you actually interested in how consciousness evolved?

I suspect your asking because you know you'll get one of two answers:

- A speculative, or potentially partially supported set of explanations that are justifiable and reasonable which you will either find some way to pick holes in and then claim evolution can't explain consciousness.

or

- We are honest and say that we aren't sure exactly, and you will claim something along the lines of evolution doesn't know how absolutely everything evolved in every way shape or form, and so therefore claim that we must be wrong about everything.

In the first case, as you're not asking the question in good faith, your simply picking an area in which scientific understanding is limited, and trying to present it as justification for your belief that scientific understanding in other aspects are unknown too; without actually trying to deal with that science.

I'm sure you will also ingrain your answer with a number of assumptions for which you will provide no justification in order to try and push people in a direction of having to deal with your faulty assumptions rather than keeping on topic and discussing how consciousness may or may not evolve. Of course, once these assumptions are dealt with, you won't go back and address the original argument, but you will find fault in the arguments against those assumptions; and when your counter arguments are refuted, you again will not go back and address the original point.

This leads to simply a drag off topic of the conversation where you won't have to go back and address any of the faulty arguments you have made before.

However, you will sit there puffy chested and feel like you've got an answer for everything anyone says, when in actuality, your simply placing bad argument after bad argument; without going back and addressing any failure in logic that you have made up until your last post.

In the second scenario, you will comfortably ignore the fact that science doesn't know everything, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing, and conflate it with science not knowing ANYTHING. While there is no detailed, well evidenced scientific explanation one can wave out of the bag, this is of no matter to you; because it is obvious that while you are demanding a well evidenced, detailed, justified and empirically determinable explanation (indeed one that may never be possible to obtain provided you keep changing the goalposts to the point where the only explanation that you would deem valid is if we see emergent consciousness from a lower level life form before our eyes); you are quite willing to be convinced by whatever position you already hold that isn't based on any evidence at all.

So rather than go through this charade, again, lets skip to the chase and deal with the real reason you made this post, and the whole premise by which you are almost certainly going to continue to argue it from now on.

1.) If we don't know how consciousness evolved; is that a problem? Does that mean it can't have evolved, or even likely didn't evolve. Does it mean we will never know? If so, why?

2.) Would reasonable, plausible explanations involving processes, facts, theories and other established science that is speculative, but justifiable help validate that consciousness evolving is not outside the realms of possibility? If not, why not?

3.) I'm sure you are adamant that consciousness didn't evolve, otherwise you would have asked this question in something akin to good faith; something I am almost certain you have not done. With this in mind, what IS consciousness exactly, not simply how it presents itself, but what is the very substance and nature of consciousness itself? what evidence or justification do you have for such a position? how can you tell? Do we even know whether consciousness is a real thing rather than an illusion, and if so, how can we experimentally verify that? What properties of consciousness have you ascertained, can demonstrate really exist rather than being illusory, and can fully justify why they could not have evolved?
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11/15/2015 9:29:00 AM
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At 11/13/2015 5:35:46 PM, Harikrish wrote:
When God created Adam and Eve, they were living in oblivious bliss. But after eating of the forbidden fruit of knowledge they became aware for the first time of their nakedness.
So consciousness did it evolve, it was instantaneous.
According to Darwin the process was much slower because he begins with in his theory of evolution natural selection and common ancestry.
Darwin wrote in the Descent of Man:"The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded."
Consciousness development is a gradual and long process if your common ancestor was a monkey.

It did indeed take a long time, millions of years.
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11/15/2015 12:50:56 PM
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At 11/15/2015 9:29:00 AM, desmac wrote:
At 11/13/2015 5:35:46 PM, Harikrish wrote:
When God created Adam and Eve, they were living in oblivious bliss. But after eating of the forbidden fruit of knowledge they became aware for the first time of their nakedness.
So consciousness did not evolve, it was instantaneous.
According to Darwin the process was much slower because he begins with in his theory of evolution natural selection and common ancestry.
Darwin wrote in the Descent of Man:"The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded."

Consciousness development is a gradual and long process if your common ancestor was a monkey.

You responded with:

It did indeed take a long time, millions of years.

That is if your common ancestor was a monkey. I take it your response was a confirmation.
There is another development that is gradual and a long process if your common ancestor was a monkey and that is "intelligence".
So what is rapid development for those whose ancestors were monkeys based on inherited genetic traits. The obvious answer would be tree climbing skills.
Just look at those monkey believers go!!!

https://m.youtube.com...

Now compare
Humans swinging.
https://m.youtube.com...

Chimp swings clumsily into a rock.
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11/15/2015 9:20:26 PM
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At 11/13/2015 6:27:28 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

Well, the definition of consciousness is:

"the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings."

The above would have a huge advantage in natural selection (for predators and such), and therefore, those with consciousness would better survive, carrying it onto the next generation. Not that hard is it?

And how did that happen?
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11/15/2015 9:24:03 PM
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At 11/13/2015 5:35:46 PM, Harikrish wrote:
When God created Adam and Eve, they were living in oblivious bliss. But after eating of the forbidden fruit of knowledge they became aware for the first time of their nakedness.
So consciousness did it evolve, it was instantaneous.
According to Darwin the process was much slower because he begins with in his theory of evolution natural selection and common ancestry.
Darwin wrote in the Descent of Man:"The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded."
Consciousness development is a gradual and long process if your common ancestor was a monkey.

Darwin also said that bears evolved into blue whales. JS
Just sayin...
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11/15/2015 9:25:56 PM
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At 11/15/2015 3:09:26 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 3:18:46 PM, v3nesl wrote:
At 11/13/2015 6:27:28 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

Well, the definition of consciousness is:

"the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings."

Those are two VERY different things, though - 'aware of' and 'responsive to'. A machine can be made responsive to its surroundings. 'Aware of' is something else entirely.

Really? Well what does "aware" mean?

Aware: "having knowledge or perception of a situation or fact."
Having perception, though not FULLY implemented in robots, is definitely in things such as robots. Even some advanced robots can recall being in a similar situation and proceeds to do what it perceives should be done for that situation.

If robots had NO knowledge or perception of their surroundings, they wouldn't work at all.

The above would have a huge advantage in natural selection (for predators and such), and therefore, those with consciousness would better survive, carrying it onto the next generation. Not that hard is it?

No, but also quite irrelevant to the evolutionary explanation. Things do not evolve because they would be a good idea or because they would confer an advantage. Things emerge only by random mutation. Then, if they happen to confer an advantage, they reproduce in larger numbers than specimens without the mutation. So the thing that must be explained is the sequence of mutations that would blindly produce consciousness.

I am aware of this, and I was giving a very basic rundown on how it would have effected the organism. Perceiving and being aware of your surroundings (consciousness) is made up of many things such as feelings, eyes, ears and more. All of these components together would create consciousness.

And it's not at all obvious to me that awareness IS an evolutionary advantage. Responsiveness obviously is, but I don't see where awareness of heat is more advantageous than responding to heat. Those species without any apparent awareness seem to be surviving just fine.

Well, is you simply responded to heat every time you encountered heat, that would be considered stupid. If your aware of heat, you would try not to make the same mistake of touching something hot again, rather than doing it over and over again. Same goes for predators.

Sensors, computer coded programs, and self conscious awareness are not the same thing.
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11/15/2015 9:37:08 PM
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At 11/15/2015 9:25:56 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 11/15/2015 3:09:26 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 3:18:46 PM, v3nesl wrote:
At 11/13/2015 6:27:28 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

Well, the definition of consciousness is:

"the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings."

Those are two VERY different things, though - 'aware of' and 'responsive to'. A machine can be made responsive to its surroundings. 'Aware of' is something else entirely.

Really? Well what does "aware" mean?

Aware: "having knowledge or perception of a situation or fact."
Having perception, though not FULLY implemented in robots, is definitely in things such as robots. Even some advanced robots can recall being in a similar situation and proceeds to do what it perceives should be done for that situation.

If robots had NO knowledge or perception of their surroundings, they wouldn't work at all.

The above would have a huge advantage in natural selection (for predators and such), and therefore, those with consciousness would better survive, carrying it onto the next generation. Not that hard is it?

No, but also quite irrelevant to the evolutionary explanation. Things do not evolve because they would be a good idea or because they would confer an advantage. Things emerge only by random mutation. Then, if they happen to confer an advantage, they reproduce in larger numbers than specimens without the mutation. So the thing that must be explained is the sequence of mutations that would blindly produce consciousness.

I am aware of this, and I was giving a very basic rundown on how it would have effected the organism. Perceiving and being aware of your surroundings (consciousness) is made up of many things such as feelings, eyes, ears and more. All of these components together would create consciousness.

And it's not at all obvious to me that awareness IS an evolutionary advantage. Responsiveness obviously is, but I don't see where awareness of heat is more advantageous than responding to heat. Those species without any apparent awareness seem to be surviving just fine.

Well, is you simply responded to heat every time you encountered heat, that would be considered stupid. If your aware of heat, you would try not to make the same mistake of touching something hot again, rather than doing it over and over again. Same goes for predators.

Sensors, computer coded programs, and self conscious awareness are not the same thing.

How can you tell?
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11/15/2015 10:01:45 PM
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At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

Human consciousness developed through time. I mean the basics, like intelligence, self awareness, etc. Humans being the first conscious beings had to do it gradually. You cannot have our intelligence now and be born into a cave man era. I don't mean intelligence by what we know, i mean what we have the ability to know. For early humans to be able to set the platform to have us, they must have played their role. The very first humans were more intelligent than other animals, but nowhere near where we are now. I am speculating it had to be that way so those humans can deal with what cards they were dealt. It would be easier to survive into the future. Our consciousness is where it needs to be for every time in the present we have to deal with. Our consciousness has been evolving and still is in this sense.
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11/15/2015 10:35:55 PM
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At 11/15/2015 10:01:45 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

Human consciousness developed through time. I mean the basics, like intelligence, self awareness, etc. Humans being the first conscious beings had to do it gradually. You cannot have our intelligence now and be born into a cave man era. I don't mean intelligence by what we know, i mean what we have the ability to know. For early humans to be able to set the platform to have us, they must have played their role. The very first humans were more intelligent than other animals, but nowhere near where we are now. I am speculating it had to be that way so those humans can deal with what cards they were dealt. It would be easier to survive into the future. Our consciousness is where it needs to be for every time in the present we have to deal with. Our consciousness has been evolving and still is in this sense.

Not mine. My consciousness grew legs, leaped out of my head, and entered a baboon. Thus you are talking to a baboon now.
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11/15/2015 11:48:04 PM
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At 11/15/2015 10:35:55 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 11/15/2015 10:01:45 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

Human consciousness developed through time. I mean the basics, like intelligence, self awareness, etc. Humans being the first conscious beings had to do it gradually. You cannot have our intelligence now and be born into a cave man era. I don't mean intelligence by what we know, i mean what we have the ability to know. For early humans to be able to set the platform to have us, they must have played their role. The very first humans were more intelligent than other animals, but nowhere near where we are now. I am speculating it had to be that way so those humans can deal with what cards they were dealt. It would be easier to survive into the future. Our consciousness is where it needs to be for every time in the present we have to deal with. Our consciousness has been evolving and still is in this sense.

Not mine. My consciousness grew legs, leaped out of my head, and entered a baboon. Thus you are talking to a baboon now.

Well played.
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11/16/2015 2:50:30 AM
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At 11/15/2015 10:35:55 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 11/15/2015 10:01:45 PM, Outplayz wrote:
At 11/12/2015 7:28:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
How did consciousness evolve. How did that happen?

Human consciousness developed through time. I mean the basics, like intelligence, self awareness, etc. Humans being the first conscious beings had to do it gradually. You cannot have our intelligence now and be born into a cave man era. I don't mean intelligence by what we know, i mean what we have the ability to know. For early humans to be able to set the platform to have us, they must have played their role. The very first humans were more intelligent than other animals, but nowhere near where we are now. I am speculating it had to be that way so those humans can deal with what cards they were dealt. It would be easier to survive into the future. Our consciousness is where it needs to be for every time in the present we have to deal with. Our consciousness has been evolving and still is in this sense.

Not mine. My consciousness grew legs, leaped out of my head, and entered a baboon. Thus you are talking to a baboon now.

I am one of the few trying to contribute to your post and you act like a child? Then again, you are the only one that can define you... and, if you think you are that weak... then, that's what you are.
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11/16/2015 3:56:28 AM
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At 11/15/2015 9:24:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 11/13/2015 5:35:46 PM, Harikrish wrote:
When God created Adam and Eve, they were living in oblivious bliss. But after eating of the forbidden fruit of knowledge they became aware for the first time of their nakedness.
So consciousness did it evolve, it was instantaneous.
According to Darwin the process was much slower because he begins with in his theory of evolution natural selection and common ancestry.
Darwin wrote in the Descent of Man:"The Simiadae then branched off into two great stems, the New World and Old World monkeys; and from the latter, at a remote period, Man, the wonder and glory of the Universe, proceeded."
Consciousness development is a gradual and long process if your common ancestor was a monkey.

Darwin also said that bears evolved into blue whales. JS
Just sayin...

Even if that were true, he lived over 200 years ago. We have advanced since then.
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11/16/2015 4:11:07 AM
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Also, everyone please note that consciousness is different from self-awareness. All living things have a certain degree of consciousness. Only the most intelligent animals like humans, magpies and dolphins have self awareness.
"Evolution proves necessity is the mother of invention" - David Henson

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Jerry947: "They give them the option of marriage."

Matt8800: "Correct! You won idiot of the year award!"

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