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missmedic
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11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM
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How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?
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11/17/2015 1:50:02 AM
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At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?
I don't believe one can respect dishonest, conceited or lazy thought, Miss M.

One can respect sincere, diligent, humble and honest inquiry though -- even if it draws incorrect conclusions.

So the question must take into account how one reaches one's conclusions, and not just the conclusions one draws.

This can be difficult. Good people can say and do some pretty bad things sometimes, just because they don't have the right information.
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11/17/2015 2:16:03 AM
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At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

By being polite. If you must insult, be tactful, sarcasm mixed with humor works. TheThinkingAtheist is an example.
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11/17/2015 2:17:42 AM
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At 11/17/2015 1:50:02 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?
I don't believe one can respect dishonest, conceited or lazy thought, Miss M.

*raises an eyebrow*

One can respect sincere, diligent, humble and honest inquiry though -- even if it draws incorrect conclusions.

Okay.
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11/18/2015 3:24:26 PM
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At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

It is easy to respect someone's religious beliefs because these beliefs have been passed down for thousands of years. They have been tested, applied and passed on because of its positive effects and value.
On the other hand trending fashions and fleeting social movements are temporary and ill conceived with lasting detrimental consequences.
There is a separation of state and religion. So bad governance should be held accountable for the damage caused to society. Whereas religion has served man and guided him through the darkest periods in his development.
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11/18/2015 3:41:35 PM
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At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

how do we have human rights for those who chose not to act like a human being...??
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11/18/2015 4:25:39 PM
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At 11/18/2015 3:24:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

It is easy to respect someone's religious beliefs because these beliefs have been passed down for thousands of years. They have been tested, applied and passed on because of its positive effects and value.
On the other hand trending fashions and fleeting social movements are temporary and ill conceived with lasting detrimental consequences.
There is a separation of state and religion. So bad governance should be held accountable for the damage caused to society. Whereas religion has served man and guided him through the darkest periods in his development.

Religion is more than belief. It's power, and it's influence. And that influence affects all of us, every day, regardless of your own belief. Despite the enormous influence of religion on the world today, we hold them to a different standard of scrutiny and accountability than any other sector of our society.
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11/18/2015 5:26:11 PM
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I don't respect beliefs I find to be baseless, particularly when they are so often contradicted by fact.
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11/18/2015 5:28:32 PM
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At 11/18/2015 3:24:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

It is easy to respect someone's religious beliefs because these beliefs have been passed down for thousands of years. They have been tested, applied and passed on because of its positive effects and value.
On the other hand trending fashions and fleeting social movements are temporary and ill conceived with lasting detrimental consequences.
There is a separation of state and religion. So bad governance should be held accountable for the damage caused to society. Whereas religion has served man and guided him through the darkest periods in his development.

Religion has been beneficial, but it has also been the source of in incredible about of misery and death and it continues to be that source. As long as believers feel it is their right, even their duty, to force others to believe as they do and act as they feel proper, religion will be a detriment to the human race as a whole.
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11/18/2015 5:42:22 PM
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At 11/18/2015 5:28:32 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 11/18/2015 3:24:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

It is easy to respect someone's religious beliefs because these beliefs have been passed down for thousands of years. They have been tested, applied and passed on because of its positive effects and value.
On the other hand trending fashions and fleeting social movements are temporary and ill conceived with lasting detrimental consequences.
There is a separation of state and religion. So bad governance should be held accountable for the damage caused to society. Whereas religion has served man and guided him through the darkest periods in his development.

Religion has been beneficial, but it has also been the source of in incredible about of misery and death and it continues to be that source. As long as believers feel it is their right, even their duty, to force others to believe as they do and act as they feel proper, religion will be a detriment to the human race as a whole.

You are free to believe you are a monkey. As a creationists I am happy to call you a monkey. I also feed your ancestory when I am at the zoo. Just more proof how far creationists have evolved. We even line our streets with trees for your benefit. What is your beef!!!!
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11/18/2015 10:02:19 PM
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At 11/18/2015 3:24:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

It is easy to respect someone's religious beliefs because these beliefs have been passed down for thousands of years. They have been tested, applied and passed on because of its positive effects and value.
On the other hand trending fashions and fleeting social movements are temporary and ill conceived with lasting detrimental consequences.
There is a separation of state and religion. So bad governance should be held accountable for the damage caused to society. Whereas religion has served man and guided him through the darkest periods in his development.

And is doing a great job of so doing in the Middle East.
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11/18/2015 11:44:47 PM
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At 11/18/2015 10:02:19 PM, desmac wrote:
At 11/18/2015 3:24:26 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

It is easy to respect someone's religious beliefs because these beliefs have been passed down for thousands of years. They have been tested, applied and passed on because of its positive effects and value.
On the other hand trending fashions and fleeting social movements are temporary and ill conceived with lasting detrimental consequences.
There is a separation of state and religion. So bad governance should be held accountable for the damage caused to society. Whereas religion has served man and guided him through the darkest periods in his development.

And is doing a great job of so doing in the Middle East.

The problem in the Middle East is bad unstable governments and ruthless despotic leaders.
Saddam Hussein, Hosni Mubarak, Muammar Gaddafi, Bashar al-Assad and others were despotic ruthless leaders that killed their own people in the thousands. What you are seeing is a people's revolution/uprising and civi war.
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11/19/2015 3:32:27 AM
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At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

You don't have to respect anyone's religious beliefs. You just have to respect their right to believe them, if you believe in freedom.
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11/19/2015 4:18:37 AM
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At 11/18/2015 5:26:11 PM, dhardage wrote:
I don't respect beliefs I find to be baseless, particularly when they are so often contradicted by fact.

How can it contradict fact if it is fact?
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11/19/2015 4:19:49 AM
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At 11/18/2015 3:41:35 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

how do we have human rights for those who chose not to act like a human being...??

Whether you act like a human does not change that you are a human...
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11/19/2015 8:26:52 AM
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At 11/19/2015 4:19:49 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 11/18/2015 3:41:35 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

how do we have human rights for those who chose not to act like a human being...??

Whether you act like a human does not change that you are a human...

I beg to differ, surely human rights are rights for human beings, those who rape, murder, terrorise, blow themselves up to kill others are clearly not human beings..

so why should the law protect their rights??
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11/19/2015 9:22:54 AM
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At 11/19/2015 8:26:52 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/19/2015 4:19:49 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 11/18/2015 3:41:35 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

how do we have human rights for those who chose not to act like a human being...??

Whether you act like a human does not change that you are a human...

I beg to differ, surely human rights are rights for human beings, those who rape, murder, terrorise, blow themselves up to kill others are clearly not human beings..

so why should the law protect their rights??

For someone who claims to be a christian you don't seem to comprehend forgiveness and turn the other cheek very well do you?
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11/19/2015 9:25:26 AM
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At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

that is easy, DON'T RESPECT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
if someone believes in something that is ridiculous then they should be ridiculed.
if they don't like it, then they can pray to their gods, and their gods can sort it out.

for instance. . . a religious couple has a sick kid, instead of taking the kid to a hospital, the parents pray over the kid, and the kid dies. . . apparently their god was trying to clean the gene pool
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11/19/2015 9:28:20 AM
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At 11/19/2015 9:22:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/19/2015 8:26:52 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/19/2015 4:19:49 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 11/18/2015 3:41:35 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

how do we have human rights for those who chose not to act like a human being...??

Whether you act like a human does not change that you are a human...

I beg to differ, surely human rights are rights for human beings, those who rape, murder, terrorise, blow themselves up to kill others are clearly not human beings..

so why should the law protect their rights??

For someone who claims to be a christian you don't seem to comprehend forgiveness and turn the other cheek very well do you?

And of course you know how a perfect Christian behaves...lol

so when Jesus got angry with the sellers in the house of God, when, Jesus said "you brood of vipers" to the keepers of the law...

Did Jesus ever say just let people do what ever they want and that's ok??
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11/19/2015 9:34:56 AM
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At 11/19/2015 9:28:20 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/19/2015 9:22:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/19/2015 8:26:52 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/19/2015 4:19:49 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 11/18/2015 3:41:35 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

how do we have human rights for those who chose not to act like a human being...??

Whether you act like a human does not change that you are a human...

I beg to differ, surely human rights are rights for human beings, those who rape, murder, terrorise, blow themselves up to kill others are clearly not human beings..

so why should the law protect their rights??

For someone who claims to be a christian you don't seem to comprehend forgiveness and turn the other cheek very well do you?

And of course you know how a perfect Christian behaves...lol

So I point out how unchristian you are and you dismiss me because you're not perfect. Ha. You might as well say "I may be a moron but I'm not a genius so it's ok!"

Also yes I do know how a perfect Christian behaves, his name is Jesus - and you are far from him.

so when Jesus got angry with the sellers in the house of God, when, Jesus said "you brood of vipers" to the keepers of the law...

He did not declare that they were inhuman. You on the other do take that step. As if you are the judge of what is and isn't human.

Did Jesus ever say just let people do what ever they want and that's ok??

This has nothing to do with the issue at hand. We can agree to punish those who commit crime. But we do not stoop down to their level in doing so. You wish to become the monster you criticize.
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11/19/2015 10:11:13 AM
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At 11/19/2015 9:34:56 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/19/2015 9:28:20 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/19/2015 9:22:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/19/2015 8:26:52 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/19/2015 4:19:49 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 11/18/2015 3:41:35 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

how do we have human rights for those who chose not to act like a human being...??

Whether you act like a human does not change that you are a human...

I beg to differ, surely human rights are rights for human beings, those who rape, murder, terrorise, blow themselves up to kill others are clearly not human beings..

so why should the law protect their rights??

For someone who claims to be a christian you don't seem to comprehend forgiveness and turn the other cheek very well do you?

And of course you know how a perfect Christian behaves...lol

So I point out how unchristian you are and you dismiss me because you're not perfect. Ha. You might as well say "I may be a moron but I'm not a genius so it's ok!"

Also yes I do know how a perfect Christian behaves, his name is Jesus - and you are far from him.

so when Jesus got angry with the sellers in the house of God, when, Jesus said "you brood of vipers" to the keepers of the law...

He did not declare that they were inhuman. You on the other do take that step. As if you are the judge of what is and isn't human.

Did Jesus ever say just let people do what ever they want and that's ok??

This has nothing to do with the issue at hand. We can agree to punish those who commit crime. But we do not stoop down to their level in doing so. You wish to become the monster you criticize.

of course it has everything to do it Jesus did not tolerate anyone who did anything, if they needed correction he corrected them and told them the right way to behave..

there is no such thing as the perfect Christian by the way.. but I guess you know that as you clearly want to judge me...
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11/19/2015 10:25:53 AM
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At 11/19/2015 10:11:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:

of course it has everything to do it Jesus did not tolerate anyone who did anything, if they needed correction he corrected them and told them the right way to behave..

But he did not declare that they were no longer human that deserved as cruel a punishment as the crime. You want criminals to be treated like animals, with no chance of redemption. Where is the humanity in that? Where is your Jesus? Did he not come for the wicked?

there is no such thing as the perfect Christian by the way.. but I guess you know that as you clearly want to judge me...

Stop playing the victim. I corrected you and you wallow in the lesson instead of soaking it in.
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11/19/2015 10:38:59 AM
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At 11/19/2015 10:25:53 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/19/2015 10:11:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:

of course it has everything to do it Jesus did not tolerate anyone who did anything, if they needed correction he corrected them and told them the right way to behave..

But he did not declare that they were no longer human that deserved as cruel a punishment as the crime. You want criminals to be treated like animals, with no chance of redemption. Where is the humanity in that? Where is your Jesus? Did he not come for the wicked?

there is no such thing as the perfect Christian by the way.. but I guess you know that as you clearly want to judge me...

Stop playing the victim. I corrected you and you wallow in the lesson instead of soaking it in.

So by saying if you do not believe in me you go to a place of eternal torment is that not a punishment??

you have not corrected anything I have said, you have merely stated a different opinion..

you hasve also judged me for being unchristian...
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11/19/2015 10:52:36 AM
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At 11/19/2015 10:38:59 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/19/2015 10:25:53 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/19/2015 10:11:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:

of course it has everything to do it Jesus did not tolerate anyone who did anything, if they needed correction he corrected them and told them the right way to behave..

But he did not declare that they were no longer human that deserved as cruel a punishment as the crime. You want criminals to be treated like animals, with no chance of redemption. Where is the humanity in that? Where is your Jesus? Did he not come for the wicked?

there is no such thing as the perfect Christian by the way.. but I guess you know that as you clearly want to judge me...

Stop playing the victim. I corrected you and you wallow in the lesson instead of soaking it in.

So by saying if you do not believe in me you go to a place of eternal torment is that not a punishment??

The Jews believe Hell is not a punishment, it's a temporary place, where the sins of your soul are burned away so you may return to God pure. http://www.chabad.org...

The Hell you think of is a Renaissance fairy tale. Unless you think Dante's Inferno is accurate? Ha.

you have not corrected anything I have said, you have merely stated a different opinion..

You think denying people a chance at redemption aka salvation is a good idea? Are you a Christian?? You think becoming the monster you wish to destroy is morally acceptable? I have pointed out your hypocrisy via rhetorical questions that you haven't answered. The fact you can't answer my points directly as I'm doing shows how you sweep my points away in favor of your own opinion.

you hasve also judged me for being unchristian...

I call a spade a spade. And as atheist I believe that because neither God nor Jesus will judge you I must do my part in informing you of your theological inconsistency. It's no more a judgment than calling the sky blue. Christian hypocrites are nothing special or worthy of such a title as "judgment"
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11/19/2015 1:24:54 PM
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At 11/19/2015 8:26:52 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/19/2015 4:19:49 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 11/18/2015 3:41:35 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

how do we have human rights for those who chose not to act like a human being...??

Whether you act like a human does not change that you are a human...

I beg to differ, surely human rights are rights for human beings, those who rape, murder, terrorise, blow themselves up to kill others are clearly not human beings..

so why should the law protect their rights??

Because they are citizens of a country, their country has pledged to protect them.
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11/19/2015 1:57:37 PM
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At 11/19/2015 10:11:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/19/2015 9:34:56 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/19/2015 9:28:20 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/19/2015 9:22:54 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/19/2015 8:26:52 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/19/2015 4:19:49 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 11/18/2015 3:41:35 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

how do we have human rights for those who chose not to act like a human being...??

Whether you act like a human does not change that you are a human...

I beg to differ, surely human rights are rights for human beings, those who rape, murder, terrorise, blow themselves up to kill others are clearly not human beings..

so why should the law protect their rights??

For someone who claims to be a christian you don't seem to comprehend forgiveness and turn the other cheek very well do you?

And of course you know how a perfect Christian behaves...lol

So I point out how unchristian you are and you dismiss me because you're not perfect. Ha. You might as well say "I may be a moron but I'm not a genius so it's ok!"

Also yes I do know how a perfect Christian behaves, his name is Jesus - and you are far from him.

so when Jesus got angry with the sellers in the house of God, when, Jesus said "you brood of vipers" to the keepers of the law...

He did not declare that they were inhuman. You on the other do take that step. As if you are the judge of what is and isn't human.

Did Jesus ever say just let people do what ever they want and that's ok??

This has nothing to do with the issue at hand. We can agree to punish those who commit crime. But we do not stoop down to their level in doing so. You wish to become the monster you criticize.

of course it has everything to do it Jesus did not tolerate anyone who did anything, if they needed correction he corrected them and told them the right way to behave..

It is when we hear this from so-called Christians that we lose respect,

there is no such thing as the perfect Christian by the way.. but I guess you know that as you clearly want to judge me...

The perfect Christian is the one who keeps their beliefs behind closed doors where it belongs.
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11/19/2015 2:31:20 PM
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At 11/19/2015 4:18:37 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 11/18/2015 5:26:11 PM, dhardage wrote:
I don't respect beliefs I find to be baseless, particularly when they are so often contradicted by fact.

How can it contradict fact if it is fact?

It's not fact and has been demonstrated to be factually incorrect on numerous occasions. The fact is someone believes it. That does not make what they believe true when it does not comport with reality.
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11/19/2015 3:07:09 PM
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At 11/17/2015 1:40:10 AM, missmedic wrote:
How do we respect someone's religious beliefs, while also holding religion accountable for the damage those beliefs may cause?

The answer is to understand that religion didn't cause the bad effects. Religion was only being used to justify them. And had the bad actors not used religion to justify their bad behavior, they would have used something else, if they still wanted justification.

Religions don't create people; people create religions. Good people create good religions, and bad people create bad religions, because in both cases, that's what makes sense to them, and that's what they want religion to be.
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11/19/2015 4:10:30 PM
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At 11/19/2015 10:52:36 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/19/2015 10:38:59 AM, graceofgod wrote:
At 11/19/2015 10:25:53 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 11/19/2015 10:11:13 AM, graceofgod wrote:

of course it has everything to do it Jesus did not tolerate anyone who did anything, if they needed correction he corrected them and told them the right way to behave..

But he did not declare that they were no longer human that deserved as cruel a punishment as the crime. You want criminals to be treated like animals, with no chance of redemption. Where is the humanity in that? Where is your Jesus? Did he not come for the wicked?

there is no such thing as the perfect Christian by the way.. but I guess you know that as you clearly want to judge me...

Stop playing the victim. I corrected you and you wallow in the lesson instead of soaking it in.

So by saying if you do not believe in me you go to a place of eternal torment is that not a punishment??

The Jews believe Hell is not a punishment, it's a temporary place, where the sins of your soul are burned away so you may return to God pure. http://www.chabad.org...

The Hell you think of is a Renaissance fairy tale. Unless you think Dante's Inferno is accurate? Ha.

you have not corrected anything I have said, you have merely stated a different opinion..

You think denying people a chance at redemption aka salvation is a good idea? Are you a Christian?? You think becoming the monster you wish to destroy is morally acceptable? I have pointed out your hypocrisy via rhetorical questions that you haven't answered. The fact you can't answer my points directly as I'm doing shows how you sweep my points away in favor of your own opinion.

you hasve also judged me for being unchristian...

I call a spade a spade. And as atheist I believe that because neither God nor Jesus will judge you I must do my part in informing you of your theological inconsistency. It's no more a judgment than calling the sky blue. Christian hypocrites are nothing special or worthy of such a title as "judgment"

the bible is quite clear their is an eternity to be gained and lost.. that's good enough for me...

so as an atheist you judge the actions of Christians, that's very big of you...

i guess atheist hypocrites fall in to the same category...