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12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
For that matter what is "divine"?

In scripture, Jehovah is divine.

So is and was his only begotten son.

So were, and are, all the Angels.

In fact, so was and is Satan and his demons.

All are called, at some point in scripture, gods. (Please note the deliberate and significant use of the lower case "g").

Why?

Because all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings.

Being divine is simply an expression of their, for want of a better word, substance.

Jesus was a human, even after the spirit of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten son, was placed in his body and he became the Messiah.

The human body of Jesus was nothing more or less than a suitable vessel to be used by Jehovah's only begotten son to use for a ransom.

Therefore at no point was Jesus truly divine because only by being transformed into a spirit can any human become divine. But of course from that point on they are no longer human.

So the answer to my question is, no, he was never divine. ONly the one placed in his body was
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12/3/2015 12:21:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
For that matter what is "divine"?

In scripture, Jehovah is divine.

So is and was his only begotten son.

So were, and are, all the Angels.

In fact, so was and is Satan and his demons.

All are called, at some point in scripture, gods. (Please note the deliberate and significant use of the lower case "g").

Why?

Because all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings.

Being divine is simply an expression of their, for want of a better word, substance.

Jesus was a human, even after the spirit of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten son, was placed in his body and he became the Messiah.

The human body of Jesus was nothing more or less than a suitable vessel to be used by Jehovah's only begotten son to use for a ransom.

Therefore at no point was Jesus truly divine because only by being transformed into a spirit can any human become divine. But of course from that point on they are no longer human.

So the answer to my question is, no, he was never divine. ONly the one placed in his body was

Jesus was not michael...

michael was not the only begotten son of God.... he was an angel a created being...
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12/3/2015 12:26:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/3/2015 12:21:55 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
For that matter what is "divine"?

In scripture, Jehovah is divine.

So is and was his only begotten son.

So were, and are, all the Angels.

In fact, so was and is Satan and his demons.

All are called, at some point in scripture, gods. (Please note the deliberate and significant use of the lower case "g").

Why?

Because all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings.

Being divine is simply an expression of their, for want of a better word, substance.

Jesus was a human, even after the spirit of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten son, was placed in his body and he became the Messiah.

The human body of Jesus was nothing more or less than a suitable vessel to be used by Jehovah's only begotten son to use for a ransom.

Therefore at no point was Jesus truly divine because only by being transformed into a spirit can any human become divine. But of course from that point on they are no longer human.

So the answer to my question is, no, he was never divine. ONly the one placed in his body was

Jesus was not michael...

michael was not the only begotten son of God.... he was an angel a created being...

And your evidence for that statement is?
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12/3/2015 1:05:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/3/2015 12:26:42 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 12/3/2015 12:21:55 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
For that matter what is "divine"?

In scripture, Jehovah is divine.

So is and was his only begotten son.

So were, and are, all the Angels.

In fact, so was and is Satan and his demons.

All are called, at some point in scripture, gods. (Please note the deliberate and significant use of the lower case "g").

Why?

Because all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings.

Being divine is simply an expression of their, for want of a better word, substance.

Jesus was a human, even after the spirit of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten son, was placed in his body and he became the Messiah.

The human body of Jesus was nothing more or less than a suitable vessel to be used by Jehovah's only begotten son to use for a ransom.

Therefore at no point was Jesus truly divine because only by being transformed into a spirit can any human become divine. But of course from that point on they are no longer human.

So the answer to my question is, no, he was never divine. ONly the one placed in his body was

Jesus was not michael...

michael was not the only begotten son of God.... he was an angel a created being...

And your evidence for that statement is?

michael would be created not begotten...

scripture says Jesus has called no angel son ...

God says to worship Jesus,.. no angels are worshipped..

all things were created through Jesus , nothing is ever created through angels...

the term alpha and omega in rev is a reference used for Jesus,... it is also used for God, they are one in the same...

scripture never even hints at michael being Jesus...

no jw seems to know what happened to michael once Jesus took over, which is odd..
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12/3/2015 1:24:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Don't you love the FACT that christians can't even decide what their christ was?
Oh christianity is true, well one of them is or maybe none of them are, who can tell?
Certainly not any christian. LOL.
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12/3/2015 2:03:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
For that matter what is "divine"?

In scripture, Jehovah is divine.

So is and was his only begotten son.

So were, and are, all the Angels.

In fact, so was and is Satan and his demons.

All are called, at some point in scripture, gods. (Please note the deliberate and significant use of the lower case "g").

Why?

Because all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings.

Being divine is simply an expression of their, for want of a better word, substance.

Jesus was a human, even after the spirit of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten son, was placed in his body and he became the Messiah.

What happened to the original Jesus? This is a clear violation of free will if the human identity was eaten by Michael.

The human body of Jesus was nothing more or less than a suitable vessel to be used by Jehovah's only begotten son to use for a ransom.

Therefore at no point was Jesus truly divine because only by being transformed into a spirit can any human become divine. But of course from that point on they are no longer human.

But you just said that the angels, Satan and his demons were "all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings". You have also said that humans (like Jesus) are not divine. Now you are saying that humans can transform to spirit (presumably upon death). I sense a contradiction. Even if you put a spirit into a human body, it remains human according to you. Therefore a human soul is not divine. How then does the death of a human result in the non-divine (not created from Jehovah's spirit) becoming divine?

So the answer to my question is, no, he was never divine. ONly the one placed in his body was.

The attack of the body snatchers!
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12/3/2015 4:02:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
For that matter what is "divine"?

In scripture, Jehovah is divine.

So is and was his only begotten son.

So were, and are, all the Angels.

In fact, so was and is Satan and his demons.

All are called, at some point in scripture, gods. (Please note the deliberate and significant use of the lower case "g").

Why?

Because all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings.

Being divine is simply an expression of their, for want of a better word, substance.

Jesus was a human, even after the spirit of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten son, was placed in his body and he became the Messiah.

So you are saying God's only begotten son was an angel because we know Michael was an angel. Then God must be an angel. If so then all the angels are His begotten children.
God did not put Michael in Jesus's body. He put Jesus in Mary's body and that was by conception.

The human body of Jesus was nothing more or less than a suitable vessel to be used by Jehovah's only begotten son to use for a ransom.

Ransom!!! You are implying God was involved in blackmail.

Therefore at no point was Jesus truly divine because only by being transformed into a spirit can any human become divine. But of course from that point on they are no longer human.


So the answer to my question is, no, he was never divine. ONly the one placed in his body was.
What medical process is that called, human angel transplant?

Is God making you stupid or you were already stupid which led to your disfellowshipped and shunning?
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12/4/2015 5:59:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
For that matter what is "divine"?

In scripture, Jehovah is divine.

So is and was his only begotten son.

So were, and are, all the Angels.

In fact, so was and is Satan and his demons.

All are called, at some point in scripture, gods. (Please note the deliberate and significant use of the lower case "g").

Why?

Because all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings.

Being divine is simply an expression of their, for want of a better word, substance.

Jesus was a human, even after the spirit of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten son, was placed in his body and he became the Messiah.

The human body of Jesus was nothing more or less than a suitable vessel to be used by Jehovah's only begotten son to use for a ransom.

Therefore at no point was Jesus truly divine because only by being transformed into a spirit can any human become divine. But of course from that point on they are no longer human.

So the answer to my question is, no, he was never divine. ONly the one placed in his body was

My simple answer is No jesus is divine because he is not real. Just another idol a Christian religion created for the masses aka Christ-mas.
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12/4/2015 8:03:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
'The Jesus of the Gospels is an artificial creation, a collective work of art who evolved through the combined consciousness of two generations of Christian worship.'

" A. N. Wilson (Paul, p144)

'Whether Jesus ever actually existed has long been debated. The argument (very well documented) is that there is absolutely no corroborating evidence of his existence in documents other than highly suspect Christian sources.'

" Riane Eisler (The Chalice & the Blade, p122)

(Source: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com...)
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12/4/2015 11:47:19 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/4/2015 8:03:49 AM, Composer wrote:
'The Jesus of the Gospels is an artificial creation, a collective work of art who evolved through the combined consciousness of two generations of Christian worship.'

" A. N. Wilson (Paul, p144)

'Whether Jesus ever actually existed has long been debated. The argument (very well documented) is that there is absolutely no corroborating evidence of his existence in documents other than highly suspect Christian sources.'

" Riane Eisler (The Chalice & the Blade, p122)


(Source: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com...)

And both examples completely in error.

Jesus existed, end of.

The Christ, the one who inhabited his body, still does.
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12/4/2015 11:55:54 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/4/2015 5:59:19 AM, question4u wrote:
At 12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
For that matter what is "divine"?

In scripture, Jehovah is divine.

So is and was his only begotten son.

So were, and are, all the Angels.

In fact, so was and is Satan and his demons.

All are called, at some point in scripture, gods. (Please note the deliberate and significant use of the lower case "g").

Why?

Because all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings.

Being divine is simply an expression of their, for want of a better word, substance.

Jesus was a human, even after the spirit of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten son, was placed in his body and he became the Messiah.

The human body of Jesus was nothing more or less than a suitable vessel to be used by Jehovah's only begotten son to use for a ransom.

Therefore at no point was Jesus truly divine because only by being transformed into a spirit can any human become divine. But of course from that point on they are no longer human.

So the answer to my question is, no, he was never divine. ONly the one placed in his body was

My simple answer is No jesus is divine because he is not real. Just another idol a Christian religion created for the masses aka Christ-mas.

Jesus was real.

Christ, who inhabited his body is real.

Christmas is however a completely pagan festival with no connection to Jesus, or to Christ or his father whatever.

In actuality Jesus and the Christ are two separate beings who for a while inhabited the same physical body, the body of Jesus.

The trick is to learn to isolate the physical from the spirit within.

We are not our bodies, and our bodies are not us, they are merely the shell we inhabit whilst alive.

In the resurrection we will inhabit much better human bodies, still physical and still only the shell we inhabit, nothing more.

It was exactly the same with Jehovah's only begotten son.

For a time he came to earth and occupied the physical body of Jesus, he thus became Jesus, and Jesus became the Christ.

On death the spirit of Jehovah's son left the body of Jesus behind never to return in physical form again other than as a materialised human body for 40 days.

The body he inhabited for those forty days was not his original body, and whilst it had all the characteristics that make a human, it was not truly human either.

People seem to find separating the physical and the spiritual so difficult.
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12/4/2015 12:16:02 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/3/2015 1:05:53 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 12/3/2015 12:26:42 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 12/3/2015 12:21:55 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
For that matter what is "divine"?

In scripture, Jehovah is divine.

So is and was his only begotten son.

So were, and are, all the Angels.

In fact, so was and is Satan and his demons.

All are called, at some point in scripture, gods. (Please note the deliberate and significant use of the lower case "g").

Why?

Because all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings.

Being divine is simply an expression of their, for want of a better word, substance.

Jesus was a human, even after the spirit of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten son, was placed in his body and he became the Messiah.

The human body of Jesus was nothing more or less than a suitable vessel to be used by Jehovah's only begotten son to use for a ransom.

Therefore at no point was Jesus truly divine because only by being transformed into a spirit can any human become divine. But of course from that point on they are no longer human.

So the answer to my question is, no, he was never divine. ONly the one placed in his body was

Jesus was not michael...

michael was not the only begotten son of God.... he was an angel a created being...

And your evidence for that statement is?

michael would be created not begotten...

Begotten in essence simply means produced. Only we human limit it's meaning in the case of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten, created, son.

In scripture, Michael and all the Angels, also Adam and Eve, were begotten by creation.

Do not limit your understandings to those imposed by men.


scripture says Jesus has called no angel son ...

No scripture does not say it. It simply doesn't say that he did. ommission not commission.

On the other hand there are a great many things scripture leaves us to figure out for ourselves, with the help of holy spirit.


God says to worship Jesus,.. no angels are worshipped..

On the contrary, it is simply that you restrict the word "worship" to fr fewer meanings than scripture uses it for.

Worship is not an absolute, it has many levels, and each level has it's place in our lives.


all things were created through Jesus , nothing is ever created through angels...

How do you know? Scripture does not say that they were used in creation. Nor does it say that they were not used in that way.

However you are confusing Jesus with the one who occupied his body for a time.

Nwhere does scripture actually say that Jesus created anything. Jesus did not exist at the tme creation occurred.

However the one who came to earth to occupy his body, Jehovah's only begotten son, Michael, did exist.

Also, Michael was not an Angel.

He was the Archangel, so much more than a mere angel.


the term alpha and omega in rev is a reference used for Jesus,... it is also used for God, they are one in the same...

No that is not so. It is true that it is used for both, but in very different contexts.

However nowhere is it used to apply to the man Jesus. It is however used to describe both Jehovah and his only begotten son Michael, who occupied the body of Jesus for a time.

The term "spirit being" also applies to both, but it applies in different ways and does nto make them the same.

They are not the same.

You have an awful lot of indoctrination to break free of.

First you need to separate Jesus from what he became after Michael occupied his body.


scripture never even hints at michael being Jesus...

Actually it does. Every time it calls him God's son it is calling him Michael.

Again you need to separate the physical from the spiritual, something you appear completely unable to do so far (1 Corinthians 2:14-16).

You are a "physical man" in more than mere physical nature. You think as a physical man, and thus cannot understand spiritual things.


no jw seems to know what happened to michael once Jesus took over, which is odd..

That is not odd. What is truly odd is you thinking that a mere human could take over a spirit being.

It was, as I have explained unendingly to you, the other way round.

Michael took over Jesus.

As always you are securely tied to the physical, break free and learn to understand.

Whatever else he became, Jesus was born a mere human being another Adam, lower than the Angels. Thus to take over the body of Jesus Michael, the Archangel, higher than the Angels, second only to his father, had to become lower than the angels in order to occupy a human body.

I thank you for, over all these posts, giving me such a good demonstration of how seriously indoctrinated Babylon the Great has her slaves, and how hard it is for you to break out of her corrupted mould.

I give you answers, but you cannot even understand the simplest of them, which is:

Jesus did not take over Michael, Michael tool over Jesus body.
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12/4/2015 12:17:40 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
There is nothing divine, that is the wishful thinking of cave men.
Grow up.
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12/4/2015 5:57:36 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/4/2015 12:16:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/3/2015 1:05:53 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 12/3/2015 12:26:42 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 12/3/2015 12:21:55 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
For that matter what is "divine"?

In scripture, Jehovah is divine.

So is and was his only begotten son.

So were, and are, all the Angels.

In fact, so was and is Satan and his demons.

All are called, at some point in scripture, gods. (Please note the deliberate and significant use of the lower case "g").

Why?

Because all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings.

Being divine is simply an expression of their, for want of a better word, substance.

Jesus was a human, even after the spirit of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten son, was placed in his body and he became the Messiah.

The human body of Jesus was nothing more or less than a suitable vessel to be used by Jehovah's only begotten son to use for a ransom.

Therefore at no point was Jesus truly divine because only by being transformed into a spirit can any human become divine. But of course from that point on they are no longer human.

So the answer to my question is, no, he was never divine. ONly the one placed in his body was

Jesus was not michael...

michael was not the only begotten son of God.... he was an angel a created being...

And your evidence for that statement is?

michael would be created not begotten...

Begotten in essence simply means produced. Only we human limit it's meaning in the case of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten, created, son.

In scripture, Michael and all the Angels, also Adam and Eve, were begotten by creation.

Do not limit your understandings to those imposed by men.


scripture says Jesus has called no angel son ...

No scripture does not say it. It simply doesn't say that he did. ommission not commission.

On the other hand there are a great many things scripture leaves us to figure out for ourselves, with the help of holy spirit.


God says to worship Jesus,.. no angels are worshipped..

On the contrary, it is simply that you restrict the word "worship" to fr fewer meanings than scripture uses it for.

Worship is not an absolute, it has many levels, and each level has it's place in our lives.


all things were created through Jesus , nothing is ever created through angels...

How do you know? Scripture does not say that they were used in creation. Nor does it say that they were not used in that way.

However you are confusing Jesus with the one who occupied his body for a time.

Nwhere does scripture actually say that Jesus created anything. Jesus did not exist at the tme creation occurred.

However the one who came to earth to occupy his body, Jehovah's only begotten son, Michael, did exist.

Also, Michael was not an Angel.

He was the Archangel, so much more than a mere angel.


the term alpha and omega in rev is a reference used for Jesus,... it is also used for God, they are one in the same...

No that is not so. It is true that it is used for both, but in very different contexts.

However nowhere is it used to apply to the man Jesus. It is however used to describe both Jehovah and his only begotten son Michael, who occupied the body of Jesus for a time.

The term "spirit being" also applies to both, but it applies in different ways and does nto make them the same.

They are not the same.

You have an awful lot of indoctrination to break free of.

First you need to separate Jesus from what he became after Michael occupied his body.


scripture never even hints at michael being Jesus...

Actually it does. Every time it calls him God's son it is calling him Michael.

Again you need to separate the physical from the spiritual, something you appear completely unable to do so far (1 Corinthians 2:14-16).

You are a "physical man" in more than mere physical nature. You think as a physical man, and thus cannot understand spiritual things.


no jw seems to know what happened to michael once Jesus took over, which is odd..

That is not odd. What is truly odd is you thinking that a mere human could take over a spirit being.

It was, as I have explained unendingly to you, the other way round.

Michael took over Jesus.

As always you are securely tied to the physical, break free and learn to understand.

Whatever else he became, Jesus was born a mere human being another Adam, lower than the Angels. Thus to take over the body of Jesus Michael, the Archangel, higher than the Angels, second only to his father, had to become lower than the angels in order to occupy a human body.

I thank you for, over all these posts, giving me such a good demonstration of how seriously indoctrinated Babylon the Great has her slaves, and how hard it is for you to break out of her corrupted mould.

I give you answers, but you cannot even understand the simplest of them, which is:


Jesus did not take over Michael, Michael tool over Jesus body.

no begotten is different to created, it always has been and always will be..

scripture does not even hint that michael is Jesus...

angels do not create anything, ever...

we again have the alpha and the omega..

and we still have the problem where michael went when Jesus took over...

so michael possessed Jesus?

what happened to michaels body...??
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12/4/2015 6:20:29 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/4/2015 11:47:19 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/4/2015 8:03:49 AM, Composer wrote:
'The Jesus of the Gospels is an artificial creation, a collective work of art who evolved through the combined consciousness of two generations of Christian worship.'

" A. N. Wilson (Paul, p144)

'Whether Jesus ever actually existed has long been debated. The argument (very well documented) is that there is absolutely no corroborating evidence of his existence in documents other than highly suspect Christian sources.'

" Riane Eisler (The Chalice & the Blade, p122)


(Source: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com...)


And both examples completely in error.

Jesus existed, end of.

The Christ, the one who inhabited his body, still does.

Are you saying Jesus was possessed from the beginning with someone else in his body?
Jesus said God was in him not the angel Michael.
John 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.
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12/5/2015 1:26:10 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
For that matter what is "divine"?

In scripture, Jehovah is divine.

So is and was his only begotten son.

So were, and are, all the Angels.

In fact, so was and is Satan and his demons.

All are called, at some point in scripture, gods. (Please note the deliberate and significant use of the lower case "g").

Why?

Because all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings.

Being divine is simply an expression of their, for want of a better word, substance.

Jesus was a human, even after the spirit of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten son, was placed in his body and he became the Messiah.

The human body of Jesus was nothing more or less than a suitable vessel to be used by Jehovah's only begotten son to use for a ransom.

Therefore at no point was Jesus truly divine because only by being transformed into a spirit can any human become divine. But of course from that point on they are no longer human.

So the answer to my question is, no, he was never divine. ONly the one placed in his body was :

Divine means "like the Most High", and you find this added only in the Catholic-Luciferian tainted New Testament, the Jews didn't allow them to alter God the Great "I Am" in their Old Testament. So obviously God IS the Most High, not 'like' the most High.

Divine:
1. of, from, or like God or a god.
"heroes with divine powers"
synonyms: godly, angelic, seraphic, saintly, beatific; More
heavenly, celestial, supernal, holy
"a divine being"
antonyms: mortal
"devoted to God; sacred.
"divine liturgy"
synonyms: religious, holy, sacred, sanctified, consecrated, blessed, devotional
"divine worship"
2. informaldated
excellent; delightful.

Men like Pharaohs, the Pope and anyone with great authority who is never to be questioned can be referred to as Divine, or "like the Most High", but the actual usage in the Catholic-Jesuit tainted New Testament the word Divine is specifically referred to "Lucifer", .. no other.

The Fall of Lucifer
12 "How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!

13 For you have said in your heart:
"I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High."
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.

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All the religions, including the Catholic-Jesuit-Christian Religions which includes their sister church Islam have been worshiping Lucifer the sun-god, another Jesus which the Bible clearly states as the antichrist, and not Jesus the Son of God. This is why no Christian can deny the Trinity, for doing so would deny Lucifer the sun-god who has that 'evil eye' watching everyone and accusing the Saints (not to be confused with the Catholic saints)

So no, Jesus is not Divine (demon), .. the anti-Christ Lucifer is, who through his servants the Trinitarian Diviners, or mediums who have graduated from Jesuit Trinity Colleges or Schools of Divinity, speaking the words from the Bible has deceived the nations, and now perverting everyone from toddlers to adults with the most powerful word 'Love', for God is Love, only Lucifer's version is lust, sex, Eros-desire.
There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
to one who is striking at the root. - Henry David Thoreau
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12/5/2015 1:55:54 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
Jesus was an expression of the Creator as are we all. He remembered his divinity as we all will in this life or another. All is one.
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12/5/2015 5:55:28 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/4/2015 8:03:49 AM, Composer wrote:
'The Jesus of the Gospels is an artificial creation, a collective work of art who evolved through the combined consciousness of two generations of Christian worship.'

" A. N. Wilson (Paul, p144)

'Whether Jesus ever actually existed has long been debated. The argument (very well documented) is that there is absolutely no corroborating evidence of his existence in documents other than highly suspect Christian sources.'

" Riane Eisler (The Chalice & the Blade, p122)


(Source: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com...)


At 12/4/2015 11:47:19 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
And both examples completely in error.

Jesus existed, end of.
Your assertion is unsupported by the evidence otherwise!

Better luck next times!
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12/5/2015 6:00:57 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/3/2015 12:21:55 PM, graceofgod wrote:
Jesus was not michael...

That's what the Botchtower's own gods opinion is -

Michael The Watchtower Reprints, November 11, 1879, p. 48 ""Let all the angels of God worship him"; (that must include Michael , the chief angel, hence Michael is not the Son of God)"

MCB is a dis/non-believer that preaches the very opposite according to his true Master his Devil! (1 John 3:8)

QED
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12/5/2015 6:19:14 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/4/2015 12:16:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/3/2015 1:05:53 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 12/3/2015 12:26:42 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 12/3/2015 12:21:55 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
For that matter what is "divine"?

In scripture, Jehovah is divine.

So is and was his only begotten son.

So were, and are, all the Angels.

In fact, so was and is Satan and his demons.

All are called, at some point in scripture, gods. (Please note the deliberate and significant use of the lower case "g").

Why?

Because all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings.

Being divine is simply an expression of their, for want of a better word, substance.

Jesus was a human, even after the spirit of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten son, was placed in his body and he became the Messiah.

The human body of Jesus was nothing more or less than a suitable vessel to be used by Jehovah's only begotten son to use for a ransom.

Therefore at no point was Jesus truly divine because only by being transformed into a spirit can any human become divine. But of course from that point on they are no longer human.

So the answer to my question is, no, he was never divine. ONly the one placed in his body was

Jesus was not michael...

michael was not the only begotten son of God.... he was an angel a created being...

And your evidence for that statement is?

michael would be created not begotten...

Begotten in essence simply means produced. Only we human limit it's meaning in the case of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten, created, son.

"Begotten", when used metaphorically and in reference to inanimate objects, means "produced" or "created."

Again, the definition from Merriam-Webster is as follows:

1. to cause (something) to happen or exist
2. to become the father of (someone)

http://www.merriam-webster.com...

You have in the past been remarkably consistent in totally ignoring the "something" (inanimate objects) and the "someone" (animate objects) up there. They fly right over your head. Then you finally denounced even the dictionary as the "work of apostates" and moved on.

Mark it: ONCE AGAIN, you won't accept the dictionary definitions as they are given up there. No way. If you did, you couldn't call Adam a begotten son of God.

Then you turned right around and said, "Yes, Jesus was the only begotten Son of God, but God had other begotten sons." Then you reasoned that "only begotten" must mean ... ummm ... the only one He created all by Himself, contrary once again to both grammar and any dictionary.

'Tis always fun to watch the JW's redefine common words for us.
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12/5/2015 9:07:51 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
No, as a muslim, I believe that Jesus is just a human and one of the messengers of God.
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12/5/2015 9:11:54 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
No, as a muslim, I believe that Jesus is just a human and one of the messengers of God.

Through history, esoteric narration of people has made him supernatural.
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12/5/2015 11:24:08 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/5/2015 6:19:14 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/4/2015 12:16:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

Begotten in essence simply means produced. Only we human limit it's meaning in the case of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten, created, son.

"Begotten", when used metaphorically and in reference to inanimate objects, means "produced" or "created."

Again, the definition from Merriam-Webster is as follows:

1. to cause (something) to happen or exist
2. to become the father of (someone)

And both of those sense apply to the creation of Jehovah's only begotten son.

Wriggle as you may Anna, there is actually no other way in which it is possible for the Word to be, as John 1:14 says, Jehovah's only begotten son.

There is absolutely no linguistic or Grammatical sense in which Jesus can be said t be Jehovah's only begotten son.

Especially because, as Matthew assures us, Jesus was begotten of holy spirit not of Jehovah.


http://www.merriam-webster.com...

You have in the past been remarkably consistent in totally ignoring the "something" (inanimate objects) and the "someone" (animate objects) up there. They fly right over your head. Then you finally denounced even the dictionary as the "work of apostates" and moved on.

I ignore nothing Anna, I accept what scripture says in the only way it can possibly apply.

It is you who restricts it to human terms. I do not.

Hence you appeal to the human, in this case Merriam Webster, whilst I appeal purely to the scriptural, as in John 1:14 and other similar verses, all of which describe Jehovah's only begotten son as his only solo creation, created without the cooperation of that son.


Mark it: ONCE AGAIN, you won't accept the dictionary definitions as they are given up there. No way. If you did, you couldn't call Adam a begotten son of God.


Of course I don't accept human definitions. I rely on Jehovah not on men.

Everything, animate or inanimate is begotten of God. Jehovah has no other way of begetting anything other than by creation.

You are blinkered and hindered by your ridiculous "Doctrine of impossibilities".

Then you turned right around and said, "Yes, Jesus was the only begotten Son of God, but God had other begotten sons." Then you reasoned that "only begotten" must mean ... ummm ... the only one He created all by Himself, contrary once again to both grammar and any dictionary.

There is nothing contrary to grammar or linguistic usage in what I teach.

In fact grammar and linguistic usage insists that "only begotten son" in John 1:14 can apply only to the Word, since Jesus is not even mentioned.

'Tis always fun to watch the JW's redefine common words for us.

I don;t redefine anything, the definition of the usage of every word in scripture is controlled by scripture.

I just don't go along with the restrictions imposed by mankind under Satan's guidance.

You like, and rely on the things of this world Anna. I do not.

You are tied to the physical.

I am not.

Maybe if you truly understood statements even as simple as 1 Corinthians 2:12-16, or 1 Corinthians 1:26-30, not to mention James 12:5-8, oh sorry I just mentioned it didn't I, you might gain a modicum of understanding of things spiritual.

The scriptural fact, outside your "Doctrine of scriptural and historical impossibilities" is that Jehovah only begotten son, the Word, Michael the Archangel, or chief of all Angels, was Jehovah's only begotten son, as John 1:14 says, in the only way Jehovah could have begotten him, by creating him from his own substance, as they later did with the Angels and everything else.

You criticise the JWs for making obvious errors.

Try correcting some of your own first, before you criticise others. Any others. Matthew 7:1-5.
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12/5/2015 11:44:49 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/5/2015 11:24:08 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/5/2015 6:19:14 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/4/2015 12:16:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

Begotten in essence simply means produced. Only we human limit it's meaning in the case of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten, created, son.

"Begotten", when used metaphorically and in reference to inanimate objects, means "produced" or "created."

Again, the definition from Merriam-Webster is as follows:

1. to cause (something) to happen or exist
2. to become the father of (someone)

And both of those sense apply to the creation of Jehovah's only begotten son.

Wriggle as you may Anna, there is actually no other way in which it is possible for the Word to be, as John 1:14 says, Jehovah's only begotten son.

There is absolutely no linguistic or Grammatical sense in which Jesus can be said t be Jehovah's only begotten son.

Especially because, as Matthew assures us, Jesus was begotten of holy spirit not of Jehovah.


http://www.merriam-webster.com...

You have in the past been remarkably consistent in totally ignoring the "something" (inanimate objects) and the "someone" (animate objects) up there. They fly right over your head. Then you finally denounced even the dictionary as the "work of apostates" and moved on.

I ignore nothing Anna, I accept what scripture says in the only way it can possibly apply.

It is you who restricts it to human terms. I do not.

Then quit trying to express the concept in human terms, i. e. quit using English. Speak in God's language.
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12/7/2015 7:37:06 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/5/2015 11:44:49 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/5/2015 11:24:08 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

It is you who restricts it to human terms. I do not.

Then quit trying to express the concept in human terms, i. e. quit using English. Speak in God's language.

But you see Anna that is my point, I use English in Jehovah's terms.

The language is unimportant. I use it as Jehovah directs through his son and through holy spirit.

Hence I understand that terms like "shortly" means something very different to a being for whom a thousand years feels like a day does to us than it does to us mere human's.

It takes a spiritual minded man like me to understand what a physical minded person like yourself cannot, precisely as 1 Corinthians 2:12-16.

You tie yourself too rigidly to the products of Satan's world. I tie myself only to Jehovah's holy spirit. Where that leads I shall always go.

That is why you desperately cling to your "Doctrine of impossible things" such as all the things from which the truth has set me free, including human thinking.

1 Corinthians (R06;1 occurrence) 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

To imitate Christ, as all who follow him must do, means taking on his way of thinking, his way of seeing and understanding things, which such as you refuse to put yourself in a position which would allow you to learn.
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12/7/2015 7:40:26 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/7/2015 7:37:06 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/5/2015 11:44:49 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 12/5/2015 11:24:08 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

It is you who restricts it to human terms. I do not.

Then quit trying to express the concept in human terms, i. e. quit using English. Speak in God's language.

But you see Anna that is my point, I use English in Jehovah's terms.

The language is unimportant. I use it as Jehovah directs through his son and through holy spirit.

Oh, that's right. I forgot that "holy spirit" personally and directly instructs you to employ words and phrases differently than they are found in any grammar or dictionary.
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12/7/2015 8:11:34 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
For that matter what is "divine"?

In scripture, Jehovah is divine.

So is and was his only begotten son.

So were, and are, all the Angels.

In fact, so was and is Satan and his demons.

All are called, at some point in scripture, gods. (Please note the deliberate and significant use of the lower case "g").

Why?

Because all were created from Jehovah's spirit and remain spirit beings.

Being divine is simply an expression of their, for want of a better word, substance.

Jesus was a human, even after the spirit of Michael, Jehovah's only begotten son, was placed in his body and he became the Messiah.

The human body of Jesus was nothing more or less than a suitable vessel to be used by Jehovah's only begotten son to use for a ransom.

Therefore at no point was Jesus truly divine because only by being transformed into a spirit can any human become divine. But of course from that point on they are no longer human.

So the answer to my question is, no, he was never divine. ONly the one placed in his body was

Since we and everything exists within the God mind, we are all divine. This is Jesus' true message, not the one Christianity feeds us.
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12/7/2015 10:47:06 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/3/2015 12:55:12 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 12/3/2015 11:20:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

Is Jesus divine?

Yes.

Are you also divine?