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MTGandP
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10/4/2010 4:37:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Has there ever been a sociopathic philosopher? I'd be interested to know what a sociopath would have to say about ethics. Since philosophical ethics are often very different from traditional ethics, it may be likewise for a sociopathic philosopher.
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10/4/2010 4:42:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 4:37:51 PM, MTGandP wrote:
Has there ever been a sociopathic philosopher? I'd be interested to know what a sociopath would have to say about ethics. Since philosophical ethics are often very different from traditional ethics, it may be likewise for a sociopathic philosopher.

Well, you can't meet me in person, but I will answer you anything you wish to know about me.
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10/4/2010 4:53:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 4:37:51 PM, MTGandP wrote:
Has there ever been a sociopathic philosopher?
With the amount of humans in the world, I would have to cast my vote for yes.
Perhaps not widely known, but I am sure of it.
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10/4/2010 4:58:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 4:37:51 PM, MTGandP wrote:
Has there ever been a sociopathic philosopher? I'd be interested to know what a sociopath would have to say about ethics. Since philosophical ethics are often very different from traditional ethics, it may be likewise for a sociopathic philosopher.:

Possible. You have to consider that psychology, and the diagnosis of corresponding psychological disorders, are not all that old.

It's definitely possible, but I don't think we know of any empirically.
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10/4/2010 5:01:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 4:37:51 PM, MTGandP wrote:
Has there ever been a sociopathic philosopher? I'd be interested to know what a sociopath would have to say about ethics. Since philosophical ethics are often very different from traditional ethics, it may be likewise for a sociopathic philosopher.

Charles Manson is slightly sociopathic, yet is still a great philosopher.

His ethical theory is pretty well grounded, very similar to Objectivist ethics.
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10/4/2010 5:05:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 5:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/4/2010 4:37:51 PM, MTGandP wrote:
Has there ever been a sociopathic philosopher? I'd be interested to know what a sociopath would have to say about ethics. Since philosophical ethics are often very different from traditional ethics, it may be likewise for a sociopathic philosopher.

Charles Manson is slightly sociopathic, yet is still a great philosopher.

His ethical theory is pretty well grounded, very similar to Objectivist ethics.

He can't be that great of a philosopher then. ;)
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GeoLaureate8
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10/4/2010 5:14:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 5:05:38 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 10/4/2010 5:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Charles Manson is slightly sociopathic, yet is still a great philosopher.

His ethical theory is pretty well grounded, very similar to Objectivist ethics.

He can't be that great of a philosopher then. ;)

Honestly, I only say that it's similar because of his ATWA philosophy. I think I'd have to study his ethical system further to make an accurate description of it.
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10/4/2010 5:17:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 5:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/4/2010 4:37:51 PM, MTGandP wrote:
Has there ever been a sociopathic philosopher? I'd be interested to know what a sociopath would have to say about ethics. Since philosophical ethics are often very different from traditional ethics, it may be likewise for a sociopathic philosopher.

Charles Manson is slightly sociopathic, yet is still a great philosopher.

His ethical theory is pretty well grounded, very similar to Objectivist ethics.

In what sense? Because I'm pretty sure that's untrue.
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10/4/2010 5:17:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 5:05:38 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 10/4/2010 5:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/4/2010 4:37:51 PM, MTGandP wrote:
Has there ever been a sociopathic philosopher? I'd be interested to know what a sociopath would have to say about ethics. Since philosophical ethics are often very different from traditional ethics, it may be likewise for a sociopathic philosopher.

Charles Manson is slightly sociopathic, yet is still a great philosopher.

His ethical theory is pretty well grounded, very similar to Objectivist ethics.

He can't be that great of a philosopher then. ;)

Ha. Ha. Ha. Funny. :P
annhasle
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10/4/2010 5:21:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 5:14:07 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/4/2010 5:05:38 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 10/4/2010 5:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Charles Manson is slightly sociopathic, yet is still a great philosopher.

His ethical theory is pretty well grounded, very similar to Objectivist ethics.

He can't be that great of a philosopher then. ;)

Honestly, I only say that it's similar because of his ATWA philosophy. I think I'd have to study his ethical system further to make an accurate description of it.

From what I remember of him (albeit very little) is his passion for keeping individual rights and decreasing the government's sphere of influence. Didn't he deny his right to counsel and represent himself? Anyways, I could see how there might be some connections between Manson's philosophy and Objectivist ethics... He had the 'self-interest' part down, but I'm not entirely sure about the 'rational' part. ;)
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10/4/2010 5:22:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 5:17:19 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 10/4/2010 5:05:38 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 10/4/2010 5:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/4/2010 4:37:51 PM, MTGandP wrote:
Has there ever been a sociopathic philosopher? I'd be interested to know what a sociopath would have to say about ethics. Since philosophical ethics are often very different from traditional ethics, it may be likewise for a sociopathic philosopher.

Charles Manson is slightly sociopathic, yet is still a great philosopher.

His ethical theory is pretty well grounded, very similar to Objectivist ethics.

He can't be that great of a philosopher then. ;)

Ha. Ha. Ha. Funny. :P

I thought so! :D
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10/4/2010 5:49:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 5:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

Charles Manson is slightly sociopathic, yet is still a great philosopher.

His ethical theory is pretty well grounded, very similar to Objectivist ethics.
GeoLaureate8
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10/4/2010 5:51:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 5:49:10 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:

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10/4/2010 5:51:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 5:49:10 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 10/4/2010 5:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

Charles Manson is slightly sociopathic, yet is still a great philosopher.



His ethical theory is pretty well grounded, very similar to Objectivist ethics.

Mind. Blown. o.O
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10/4/2010 7:16:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 5:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/4/2010 4:37:51 PM, MTGandP wrote:
Has there ever been a sociopathic philosopher? I'd be interested to know what a sociopath would have to say about ethics. Since philosophical ethics are often very different from traditional ethics, it may be likewise for a sociopathic philosopher.

Charles Manson is slightly sociopathic, yet is still a great philosopher.

His ethical theory is pretty well grounded, very similar to Objectivist ethics.

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Puck
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10/5/2010 3:38:21 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 5:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
very similar to Objectivist ethics.

No a type of Libertarianism. Which makes its comparison to Objectivism about as useful as saying Christians are like Muslims which are like Hindus because they believe in God i.e. not at all.
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10/5/2010 3:49:44 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 5:49:10 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 10/4/2010 5:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

Charles Manson is slightly sociopathic, yet is still a great philosopher.



His ethical theory is pretty well grounded, very similar to Objectivist ethics.

ROFL!!
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10/5/2010 8:55:38 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/4/2010 5:05:38 PM, annhasle wrote:
His ethical theory is pretty well grounded, very similar to Objectivist ethics.

He can't be that great of a philosopher then. ;)

awesome :)
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10/5/2010 9:05:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I heard this very alarming statistic yesterday about up to 10% of people being sociopaths these days...?! Now, I don't believe it -- that figure seems way too high. Still someone noted that even if it wasn't *that* high, it's still super high (and up from what it was) which begs the question -- how much is society responsible for this? It seems pointing the finger solely at Mother Nature would be irresponsible given the sheer number of people who now actually qualify as sociopaths. That said, an increase in this number probably ---> an increase in sociopath philosophers, naturally. Then again would a sociopath care enough about the world or people in it to philosophize? ;)
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10/5/2010 9:30:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/5/2010 9:05:49 AM, theLwerd wrote:
I heard this very alarming statistic yesterday about up to 10% of people being sociopaths these days...?!

i think it might be that high for several reasons.
1. it is diagnosed more often than before(no one tested for sociopath several hundred years ago, but they still existed)
2. they might be including multiple levels of sociopath, its hard to define a condition like that because some people might fit many of the conditions but not all, or meet them to a certain extent but not full on. for example i took a psychological personality quiz and it said i was at least moderate for sociopath, schizoid, and paranoid(i was highest for schizoid anyway, not the other 2). but i do feel empathy and and do not fit all the conditions for these disorders. so they might have included people like me in the 10% even though we are not fullblown sociopaths.
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