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12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.
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12/5/2015 10:00:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
So you read a verse in a book that some guy wrote 2,000 years ago saying something you interpreted as "believe me or you're going to suffer after you die" and your conclusion is that you will suffer if you don't believe him. Does that sum it up?
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12/5/2015 10:01:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.

You know when some ones opening is believe or go to hell then later on wants to imply how "rational" their belief is, this doesn't give on confidence the person isn't just another person deluded by religious zealotry.

So no im not going to "google" it, how about you tell us what you think the best argument is for the "God" you believe in and we will tell you why we don't accept it.

Or you can sit their telling yourself about how right you are and how people who don't believe as you do are going to hell.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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12/5/2015 10:09:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 10:01:14 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.

You know when some ones opening is believe or go to hell then later on wants to imply how "rational" their belief is, this doesn't give on confidence the person isn't just another person deluded by religious zealotry.

So no im not going to "google" it, how about you tell us what you think the best argument is for the "God" you believe in and we will tell you why we don't accept it.

Or you can sit their telling yourself about how right you are and how people who don't believe as you do are going to hell.

Okay. The argument from consciousness. Consciousness is immaterial though based on the brain and Chemistry does not explain the presence of consciousness in the human brain.
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12/5/2015 10:14:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 10:09:18 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 12/5/2015 10:01:14 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.

You know when some ones opening is believe or go to hell then later on wants to imply how "rational" their belief is, this doesn't give on confidence the person isn't just another person deluded by religious zealotry.

So no im not going to "google" it, how about you tell us what you think the best argument is for the "God" you believe in and we will tell you why we don't accept it.

Or you can sit their telling yourself about how right you are and how people who don't believe as you do are going to hell.

Okay. The argument from consciousness. Consciousness is immaterial though based on the brain and Chemistry does not explain the presence of consciousness in the human brain.

Lack of an answer or explanation doesn't justify God (what ever God you believe in) as the answer anymore than it does the wizard of OZ or Gary the inter dimensional alien.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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12/5/2015 10:25:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.

So I looked up 3 reasons...............

"No one would believe such an explanation. A mobile phone is clearly something that was put together in an organised way, so it would be rational to believe that it must have an organiser. In the same way, when we see the order in the universe, isn't it rational to say that the universe has an organiser?"

If you honestly believe this line of argument you are right, you have wasted 6 years arguing with atheists.................cause you havn't learn a damm thing.

This is just another "Paleys watch" argument................it takes a human made thing "watch/phone" then "reasons" of that we should infer an intelligent design of some aspect of the natural world.

https://en.wikipedia.org...
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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12/5/2015 11:12:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 10:14:14 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/5/2015 10:09:18 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 12/5/2015 10:01:14 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.

You know when some ones opening is believe or go to hell then later on wants to imply how "rational" their belief is, this doesn't give on confidence the person isn't just another person deluded by religious zealotry.

So no im not going to "google" it, how about you tell us what you think the best argument is for the "God" you believe in and we will tell you why we don't accept it.

Or you can sit their telling yourself about how right you are and how people who don't believe as you do are going to hell.

Okay. The argument from consciousness. Consciousness is immaterial though based on the brain and Chemistry does not explain the presence of consciousness in the human brain.

Lack of an answer or explanation doesn't justify God (what ever God you believe in) as the answer anymore than it does the wizard of OZ or Gary the inter dimensional alien.

Aliens and wizards can exist. The laws for that haven't been established yet.
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12/5/2015 11:30:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.

Okay. Let's say I choose to "let go of my ignorance" and use my skills of reasoning to "infer god from nature". So I choose to become a theist. Now, the question is, of the millions of gods out there, which one should I believe in? Also, I find it quite off putting that god would damn unbelievers to hell, all because they didn't see any evidence/reason to believing in god. Like Bertrand Russell said, if he were one day confronted by god and made to give an account for his unbelief, he would say "Sir, why did you take such pains to hide yourself?"
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12/5/2015 11:32:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 10:09:18 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 12/5/2015 10:01:14 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.

You know when some ones opening is believe or go to hell then later on wants to imply how "rational" their belief is, this doesn't give on confidence the person isn't just another person deluded by religious zealotry.

So no im not going to "google" it, how about you tell us what you think the best argument is for the "God" you believe in and we will tell you why we don't accept it.

Or you can sit their telling yourself about how right you are and how people who don't believe as you do are going to hell.

Okay. The argument from consciousness. Consciousness is immaterial though based on the brain and Chemistry does not explain the presence of consciousness in the human brain.

All because we don't understand consciousness doesn't mean god didn't. You merely using the argument "god of the gaps".
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12/5/2015 11:40:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I have tried being polite on this site. I have humbled , learnt and explored the atheist mindset but more importantly sought for the truth. New atheists aren't in search of truth, they are sure of their knowledge and that's a shame. I it best to end things here. Don't want to rile folks too much. Have a good night and expect to see more of my last poems and essays while I explored the atheist state of mind. Here's a preview:

F*ck God

And may the precious grace of God,
Be wasted not on my sinful soul,
The disgusting love of Jesus Christ,
And the cursed grace of the lowly Ghost,
Pass over my grave and rotten corpse,
Where I sleep to rise no more,

These are words you'll hear from me,
In every walk I'll undertake,
The part of me which screams for peace,
And talk the truth so man can think,

Thus allow me to spare some thoughts,
About a God thats man's worst luck,
Three cheers to all who faced their fears,
And damned the Geist which makes man fright,

The finger for the Lord Most Low,
Who killed His Son_ or self_and let us know,
Many a lass dies for her man,
Would bear all pains because love can,

Five fingers for a shame on Him,
So sexist he made man a woman's dream,
So shameless He made them nude at his whim,
For a batshit crazy God it's like a meme,

Fakest, foolish fiendish oaf,
Who makes us pray a daily loaf,
And let's souls die a choice less death,
For sin He let and made our debt,

Freedom for this Mind is slavery,
Grovelling at his feet for our delivery,
praising His name despite His foolery,
The best of His Word much contradictory,

And it must be picked with derision,
How saints hold on to religion,
How it twists their every perception,
So they knowledge that's the solution,

Scripture could call the likes of me fools,
But history shows its writers mules,
The worst sins which plague the world,
From the midst of saints unfurled,

Curse the church for that and more,
And the truth they know that they are whore,
Curse the Lord and do not die,
And you'll see the truth that he's a lie,

Curse life he made with so much woes,
And sweetness in it which draws His no's,
Curse the earth and universe,
And how life in it is shown much scarce,

Curse his son and curse his priests,
A group of unctuous, rapist thieves,
Curse faith and how it stifles mankind's fate,
Till God is dead and out of date.

- Uyi Iredia (21/3/2014)
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12/5/2015 11:42:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 11:32:32 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 12/5/2015 10:09:18 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 12/5/2015 10:01:14 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.

You know when some ones opening is believe or go to hell then later on wants to imply how "rational" their belief is, this doesn't give on confidence the person isn't just another person deluded by religious zealotry.

So no im not going to "google" it, how about you tell us what you think the best argument is for the "God" you believe in and we will tell you why we don't accept it.

Or you can sit their telling yourself about how right you are and how people who don't believe as you do are going to hell.

Okay. The argument from consciousness. Consciousness is immaterial though based on the brain and Chemistry does not explain the presence of consciousness in the human brain.

All because we don't understand consciousness doesn't mean god didn't. You merely using the argument "god of the gaps".

Dude, there will always be a gap. Knowledge, like numbers, is infinite.
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12/5/2015 11:47:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Sorry Iredia, no trumpets blowing here, just the sound of a lot of hot air.

Of course, the bigger and much more important issue is what religion does to people. I'm sure Iredia is not a violent person who wishes great harm to others, even though he/she created this thread telling those who don't follow the same religion that they will burn for an eternity. Surely, Iredia is not the kind of person as most people are compassionate and altruistic, which is our nature as humans. So, it is obviously the religion that makes Iredia do bad things and be a hateful person who threatens others with their hateful ideology.

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature.

It's impossible to infer God from Nature as Nature only shows us how it came about through the laws of physics. Once again, it is the religion that teaches Iredia to ignore or deny the answers Nature provides us in favor of an irrational, ignorant ideology.

The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness.

And, the human brain is the source of consciousness.

The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God.

Desperate measures call for desperate acts, which can be shown in Iredia's desperate attempt to demean and insult, as if that is going to him/her anywhere. If anything is too dumb, it is the compelling nature of the religion teaching Iredia to have in this manner.

I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

The waste of your life is the result of following your religion and nothing more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.
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12/5/2015 11:54:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 11:30:57 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
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for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.

Okay. Let's say I choose to "let go of my ignorance" and use my skills of reasoning to "infer god from nature". So I choose to become a theist. Now, the question is, of the millions of gods out there, which one should I believe in? Also, I find it quite off putting that god would damn unbelievers to hell, all because they didn't see any evidence/reason to believing in god. Like Bertrand Russell said, if he were one day confronted by god and made to give an account for his unbelief, he would say "Sir, why did you take such pains to hide yourself?"

Start with the deist God which is directly inferred from Nature and lacks religious frills. if I were God I would say that familiarity breeds contempt. The Bible in the OT shows how people disobeyed a very active God.
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12/6/2015 12:00:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 11:42:59 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 12/5/2015 11:32:32 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 12/5/2015 10:09:18 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 12/5/2015 10:01:14 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.

You know when some ones opening is believe or go to hell then later on wants to imply how "rational" their belief is, this doesn't give on confidence the person isn't just another person deluded by religious zealotry.

So no im not going to "google" it, how about you tell us what you think the best argument is for the "God" you believe in and we will tell you why we don't accept it.

Or you can sit their telling yourself about how right you are and how people who don't believe as you do are going to hell.

Okay. The argument from consciousness. Consciousness is immaterial though based on the brain and Chemistry does not explain the presence of consciousness in the human brain.

All because we don't understand consciousness doesn't mean god didn't. You merely using the argument "god of the gaps".

Dude, there will always be a gap. Knowledge, like numbers, is infinite.

1.) If there is a gap, you can't fill it by saying "god must have done it".

2.) To assert that knowledge is infinite implies that you know everything there is to know (otherwise how could you assert that knowledge is infinite?).
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12/6/2015 12:02:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 11:54:25 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 12/5/2015 11:30:57 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.

Okay. Let's say I choose to "let go of my ignorance" and use my skills of reasoning to "infer god from nature". So I choose to become a theist. Now, the question is, of the millions of gods out there, which one should I believe in? Also, I find it quite off putting that god would damn unbelievers to hell, all because they didn't see any evidence/reason to believing in god. Like Bertrand Russell said, if he were one day confronted by god and made to give an account for his unbelief, he would say "Sir, why did you take such pains to hide yourself?"

Start with the deist God which is directly inferred from Nature and lacks religious frills. if I were God I would say that familiarity breeds contempt. The Bible in the OT shows how people disobeyed a very active God.

Are you going to pose any arguments?
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12/6/2015 1:38:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

God is telling the Watchman to talk about what they learned in regards to good. To preach how to be a good human. This is telling us to all remember good. We should always have a person before us that taught us good so we have our path. It is also teaching the opposite. That if we teach evil than that is in our own hands. If we bring people down, if we tell others they are worthless, if we scare people and give them the vision of torture... the teacher is the one that is evil. The persons that were manipulated will be forgiven if they did not hear the sound of the trumpet and only the teachers words. In the big picture, the sound of the trumpet is internal as well as external. If one feels it and knows a path to be evil and ignores it (internal), same applies. If one can clearly see a path that people take to good and ignores it (external), same applies. Not only is the sound internal which is the watchman's word and feeling, it is also external... what the watchman can see of the world. Atheist are not bound by this; they are blessed by this. Not only are they internally going with what is right, they see what helps the world by helping to figure it out. They are also telling us to focus on the paradise we are in right now. They are also watchman. They are here to remind us that heaven is in front of us. In this regard, some theist are ignoring their trumpet. One of acceptance, accountability and freedom. Of course, there are people that go against the trumpet. When i say heaven is here, i mean it to the ones that see it and follow it. There are other watchman, prophets, etc that teach us of the evil here... but, those are different verses that teach us how to deal with them. The verse you used here is in regards to listening to the ones that take us in the path of heaven. Either the final destination or what we create here. You are failing to see the big picture of these words.
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12/6/2015 2:07:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.

Iredia, I thank you for your thoughts!! However, I'm concerned you may not realize you're in danger of Hell yourself. I realize you're warning us away from the Christian Hell, but what of the 'Hell' of other religions? I suppose you'll need to figure out how the Chinvat Peretu of Zorastrianism fits in to your afterlife journeys, and once your fate has been determined (heaven or Hell), there are many unfamiliar visions of the afterlife like the Viking Helheim (it's really cold), or Kasyrgan of Tengerism, and that completely overlooks the mundane hells of Islam or Judaism.

How did you pick which Hell to fear - Flipping a coin, rolling a die, or did you go with the ol' standby: what was accepted by your culture? I was thinking of going with the god who had the worst punishment in Hell. Kasyragan looks pretty bad. The Christian Hell is kind of bad, but not as bad as being boiled in tar! You may want to reconsider which god you accept, unless you're going for pretending you believe in them all. (good plan!!) At any rate, thanks for the warning, and good luck in the afterlife!! ;-)
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12/6/2015 6:04:20 AM
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I'm cool with that, I'll be in the very best of company.
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12/6/2015 8:31:27 AM
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At 12/5/2015 11:30:57 PM, Pase66 wrote:

Okay. Let's say I choose to "let go of my ignorance" and use my skills of reasoning to "infer god from nature". So I choose to become a theist. Now, the question is, of the millions of gods out there, which one should I believe in?

Mother Nature of course. She is in charge of all the powers of nature which she is constantly creating. You can observe her work every day as she creates new things and destroys old things.
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12/6/2015 3:22:30 PM
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At 12/6/2015 8:31:27 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/5/2015 11:30:57 PM, Pase66 wrote:

Okay. Let's say I choose to "let go of my ignorance" and use my skills of reasoning to "infer god from nature". So I choose to become a theist. Now, the question is, of the millions of gods out there, which one should I believe in?

Mother Nature of course. She is in charge of all the powers of nature which she is constantly creating. You can observe her work every day as she creates new things and destroys old things.

Metaphorically, sure, mother nature is a "godly" force. But in actuality, I really don't think "mother nature" is a being or anything. It's just different forces/ events acting in accordance with natural laws.
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12/6/2015 3:22:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 11:40:57 PM, Iredia wrote:
I have tried being polite on this site. I have humbled , learnt and explored the atheist mindset but more importantly sought for the truth. New atheists aren't in search of truth, they are sure of their knowledge and that's a shame.

First off, you haven't made any attempt to understand the atheist mindset. The fact that you start a thread telling us we are going to hell and then provide bible versus as your support for that claim makes that quite obvious.

Second, since you seem to think that you are better than atheists because apparently you are searching for truth and we are not let me ask you: How does one go about finding truth?

A) By using critical thinking skills to analyze observations made of the reality we inhabit
B) By reading a book some guys wrote 2,000 years ago
C) Other

Please enlighten us.
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12/7/2015 1:37:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/6/2015 3:22:30 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 12/6/2015 8:31:27 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/5/2015 11:30:57 PM, Pase66 wrote:

Okay. Let's say I choose to "let go of my ignorance" and use my skills of reasoning to "infer god from nature". So I choose to become a theist. Now, the question is, of the millions of gods out there, which one should I believe in?

Mother Nature of course. She is in charge of all the powers of nature which she is constantly creating. You can observe her work every day as she creates new things and destroys old things.

Metaphorically, sure, mother nature is a "godly" force. But in actuality, I really don't think "mother nature" is a being or anything. It's just different forces/ events acting in accordance with natural laws.

The same principle applies to God.

Even insurance companies call the forces of nature "acts of God" and many refuse too insure people against that kind of destruction since nature can wreak havock which is very expensive to repair.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Acts of God refer to forces of Nature. Therefore logically God is the same kind of metaphorical concept of Nature as is Mother Nature.
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12/7/2015 3:12:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.
Sorry; skipped them since literature has no authority over physics, metaphysics or morality.

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12/7/2015 5:55:35 PM
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At 12/5/2015 9:40:14 PM, Iredia wrote:
Read the following verses carefully.

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, "Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, <b>when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head.</b>He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person head among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but historically blood I will require at the watchman"s hand.' Ezekiel 33:1-6 NKJV

Your goodness amounts to nothing if you don't use your much-vaulted reason to infer God from Nature. The reason is simple, goodness finds its source from consciousness. The times we are in now are clearly dangerous and remember as in GOT valar morghulis ! Hell is akin to a flogging spot for those too stubborn (or too dumb) to humble themselves and admit there is a God. I have wasted 6 years of my life arguing with atheists. But no more.

Google the following topics by me:

Three Reasons For God's Existence
Challenging The Skeptics
Rationalizations For Christianity
Rationalizations For Christianity (Africa)

for more.

There are few select atheists who because of their actions in time or their past (and still extant in the astral realm) ancestor's prayers will never go to hell.

Grow up. Such tales are told to children to get them to behave. Mature individual have no need of such fantasy.
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12/7/2015 6:14:38 PM
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Newsflash dingus, you cant threaten Atheists with something they dont even believe in (Hell) and expect them to actually feel any fear....
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12/7/2015 6:37:42 PM
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At 12/7/2015 6:14:38 PM, imabench wrote:
Newsflash dingus, you cant threaten Atheists with something they dont even believe in (Hell) and expect them to actually feel any fear....

That's the only way they have to try and force those they cannot convince, since the burning of heretics and atheists was outlawed.
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12/7/2015 6:38:15 PM
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At 12/7/2015 6:14:38 PM, imabench wrote:
Newsflash dingus, you cant threaten Atheists with something they dont even believe in (Hell) and expect them to actually feel any fear....

Especially not since the idea originates from a book made by bronze age shepherds. To me, the threat of hell says like "Sure, claiming there was something like this must had been the most effective idea of keeping law and order on the time of their society, but now, nah".
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12/7/2015 6:44:09 PM
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At 12/7/2015 1:37:51 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/6/2015 3:22:30 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 12/6/2015 8:31:27 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/5/2015 11:30:57 PM, Pase66 wrote:

Okay. Let's say I choose to "let go of my ignorance" and use my skills of reasoning to "infer god from nature". So I choose to become a theist. Now, the question is, of the millions of gods out there, which one should I believe in?

Mother Nature of course. She is in charge of all the powers of nature which she is constantly creating. You can observe her work every day as she creates new things and destroys old things.

Metaphorically, sure, mother nature is a "godly" force. But in actuality, I really don't think "mother nature" is a being or anything. It's just different forces/ events acting in accordance with natural laws.

The same principle applies to God.

Even insurance companies call the forces of nature "acts of God" and many refuse too insure people against that kind of destruction since nature can wreak havock which is very expensive to repair.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Acts of God refer to forces of Nature. Therefore logically God is the same kind of metaphorical concept of Nature as is Mother Nature.

Ok. God is metaphorical for the laws of nature.
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12/7/2015 9:18:17 PM
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At 12/7/2015 6:44:09 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 12/7/2015 1:37:51 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/6/2015 3:22:30 PM, Pase66 wrote:
At 12/6/2015 8:31:27 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/5/2015 11:30:57 PM, Pase66 wrote:

Okay. Let's say I choose to "let go of my ignorance" and use my skills of reasoning to "infer god from nature". So I choose to become a theist. Now, the question is, of the millions of gods out there, which one should I believe in?

Mother Nature of course. She is in charge of all the powers of nature which she is constantly creating. You can observe her work every day as she creates new things and destroys old things.

Metaphorically, sure, mother nature is a "godly" force. But in actuality, I really don't think "mother nature" is a being or anything. It's just different forces/ events acting in accordance with natural laws.

The same principle applies to God.

Even insurance companies call the forces of nature "acts of God" and many refuse too insure people against that kind of destruction since nature can wreak havock which is very expensive to repair.

https://en.wikipedia.org...

Acts of God refer to forces of Nature. Therefore logically God is the same kind of metaphorical concept of Nature as is Mother Nature.

Ok. God is metaphorical for the laws of nature.

It is a shame that so many people on this planet do not seem to comprehend that fact.