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Evil Is Essential to One's Identity

s-anthony
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12/12/2015 5:15:09 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
The problem of evil is intrinsic to the very nature of consciousness, consciousness being one's capacity to evaluate stimuli, to make distinctions or conceptualize variables.

This capacity is neither distinct to the appraiser nor to that which is being appraised; it is the marriage of the subjective mind to the objective world, the value given to relativism, or the product of the observer and that which is being observed, namely, observation.

If all values were equal, meaning no distinction in values, being no distinction, nothing would stand alone; all things would be equivalent in meaning. It takes greater and lesser values, things we define as good and bad, relatively speaking, to create a world of distinct objects. In other words, values do not merely fall under the domain of religion; values are essential to separate identities.
RuvDraba
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12/12/2015 5:21:37 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 5:15:09 AM, s-anthony wrote:
The problem of evil is intrinsic to the very nature of consciousness, consciousness being one's capacity to evaluate stimuli, to make distinctions or conceptualize variables.

Could you please define evil in such a way that it does not depend on personal sympathies.
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12/12/2015 5:24:07 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Yes. Would you agree that we can only know a concept by also understanding and experiencing its opposite? You can only define love to the degree that you can explain hate, yes?
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12/12/2015 5:44:53 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 5:21:37 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:15:09 AM, s-anthony wrote:
The problem of evil is intrinsic to the very nature of consciousness, consciousness being one's capacity to evaluate stimuli, to make distinctions or conceptualize variables.

Could you please define evil in such a way that it does not depend on personal sympathies.

No.
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12/12/2015 5:47:15 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 5:24:07 AM, Pollux wrote:
Yes. Would you agree that we can only know a concept by also understanding and experiencing its opposite? You can only define love to the degree that you can explain hate, yes?

I agree.
RuvDraba
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12/12/2015 5:47:22 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 5:44:53 AM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:21:37 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:15:09 AM, s-anthony wrote:
The problem of evil is intrinsic to the very nature of consciousness, consciousness being one's capacity to evaluate stimuli, to make distinctions or conceptualize variables.

Could you please define evil in such a way that it does not depend on personal sympathies.

No.

So... this isn't about humanity in general then, just about your sensibilities? And you'd like to generalise it to humanity and make it universal because doing so normalises your feelings as respectable, acceptable, and beyond reproach?

Or is there a bit more diligence and accountability in this exposition?

If so, where?
s-anthony
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12/12/2015 6:01:57 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
So... this isn't about humanity in general then, just about your sensibilities?

No. It's about humanity and my sensibilities.

And you'd like to generalise it to humanity and make it universal because doing so normalises your feelings as respectable, acceptable, and beyond reproach?

No. Because, I don't exist in absolute isolation. The individual does not exist without the collective, and the collective does not exist without individuals.

Or is there a bit more diligence and accountability in this exposition?

Yes.

If so, where?

Here.
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12/12/2015 6:10:06 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 6:01:57 AM, s-anthony wrote:
So... this isn't about humanity in general then, just about your sensibilities?

No. It's about humanity and my sensibilities.

And you'd like to generalise it to humanity and make it universal because doing so normalises your feelings as respectable, acceptable, and beyond reproach?

No. Because, I don't exist in absolute isolation. The individual does not exist without the collective, and the collective does not exist without individuals.

Or is there a bit more diligence and accountability in this exposition?

Yes.

If so, where?

Here.
Shifted entirely to the responsibility of other members, perhaps. Yes, I can see how it might appear there.
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12/12/2015 7:00:31 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 5:24:07 AM, Pollux wrote:
Yes. Would you agree that we can only know a concept by also understanding and experiencing its opposite? You can only define love to the degree that you can explain hate, yes?
Hate is far from necessary to experience love, that is a ridiculous concept unsupported by human experience.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/12/2015 10:55:23 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
We can all bask in the knowledge that not one of us is as bad as the Biblical deity, LOL!
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12/12/2015 2:40:12 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Shifted entirely to the responsibility of other members, perhaps. Yes, I can see how it might appear there.

Not shifted entirely but proportionately.
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12/12/2015 2:44:09 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 7:00:31 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:24:07 AM, Pollux wrote:
Yes. Would you agree that we can only know a concept by also understanding and experiencing its opposite? You can only define love to the degree that you can explain hate, yes?
Hate is far from necessary to experience love, that is a ridiculous concept unsupported by human experience.

You mean to tell me you can experience something even if you've never experienced that which it is not?
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12/12/2015 3:14:46 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 2:40:12 PM, s-anthony wrote:
Shifted entirely to the responsibility of other members, perhaps. Yes, I can see how it might appear there.

Not shifted entirely but proportionately.

Yes, shifted proportional to the amount of personal sensibilities exposed to diligence and responsibility.
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12/12/2015 3:31:18 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 2:44:09 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/12/2015 7:00:31 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:24:07 AM, Pollux wrote:
Yes. Would you agree that we can only know a concept by also understanding and experiencing its opposite? You can only define love to the degree that you can explain hate, yes?
Hate is far from necessary to experience love, that is a ridiculous concept unsupported by human experience.

You mean to tell me you can experience something even if you've never experienced that which it is not?
Yes and I can guarantee that you already have.
Wanna play?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/12/2015 3:42:41 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 3:31:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 2:44:09 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/12/2015 7:00:31 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:24:07 AM, Pollux wrote:
Yes. Would you agree that we can only know a concept by also understanding and experiencing its opposite? You can only define love to the degree that you can explain hate, yes?
Hate is far from necessary to experience love, that is a ridiculous concept unsupported by human experience.

You mean to tell me you can experience something even if you've never experienced that which it is not?
Yes and I can guarantee that you already have.
Wanna play?

Whatever you call your intentions go ahead.
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12/12/2015 3:47:04 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 3:42:41 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/12/2015 3:31:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 2:44:09 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/12/2015 7:00:31 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:24:07 AM, Pollux wrote:
Yes. Would you agree that we can only know a concept by also understanding and experiencing its opposite? You can only define love to the degree that you can explain hate, yes?
Hate is far from necessary to experience love, that is a ridiculous concept unsupported by human experience.

You mean to tell me you can experience something even if you've never experienced that which it is not?
Yes and I can guarantee that you already have.
Wanna play?

Whatever you call your intentions go ahead.

You exist and as an infant you knew love without knowing hate.
Tada.
Equivocate now.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/12/2015 3:50:19 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Yes, shifted proportional to the amount of personal sensibilities exposed to diligence and responsibility.

Shifted, proportionately, to the significance given to the collective in relation to the individual.
s-anthony
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12/12/2015 3:55:12 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
You exist and as an infant you knew love without knowing hate.
Tada.
Equivocate now.

Then, why is it as an infant I preferred some things over others? Or, why did some things make me happy and others make me cry?
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12/12/2015 3:57:07 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 3:47:04 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 3:42:41 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/12/2015 3:31:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 2:44:09 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/12/2015 7:00:31 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:24:07 AM, Pollux wrote:
Yes. Would you agree that we can only know a concept by also understanding and experiencing its opposite? You can only define love to the degree that you can explain hate, yes?
Hate is far from necessary to experience love, that is a ridiculous concept unsupported by human experience.

You mean to tell me you can experience something even if you've never experienced that which it is not?
Yes and I can guarantee that you already have.
Wanna play?

Whatever you call your intentions go ahead.

You exist and as an infant you knew love without knowing hate.
Tada.
Equivocate now.

When you experience love without experiencing hate, you understand, to some degree, what it might be like to not have that love. If, you go on to experience the opposite, then you more fully understand that what you had was love by knowing its opposite. And when a baby is "loved," it is also experiencing a cessation of some lack or discomfort. Instead of feeling alone and perhaps hungry, when loved, it feels connected and fed.

I would agree that sometimes a person experiences a small "side" of the continuum first, but a better understanding arises when that person then experiences the opposite side.
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12/13/2015 2:01:22 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 3:55:12 PM, s-anthony wrote:
You exist and as an infant you knew love without knowing hate.
Tada.
Equivocate now.

Then, why is it as an infant I preferred some things over others? Or, why did some things make me happy and others make me cry?
Relate that to hate, yes I know you've made an unsupportable claim and will now equivocate to eternity rather than admit it.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/13/2015 6:03:46 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Relate that to hate, yes I know you've made an unsupportable claim and will now equivocate to eternity rather than admit it.

According to Wiktionary, hate is to dislike something with intensity. I do not believe babies love everything; in fact, I don't believe babies like everything. I think there are things babies dislike even to the point of tears.
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12/13/2015 7:02:43 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 6:03:46 AM, s-anthony wrote:
Relate that to hate, yes I know you've made an unsupportable claim and will now equivocate to eternity rather than admit it.

According to Wiktionary, hate is to dislike something with intensity. I do not believe babies love everything; in fact, I don't believe babies like everything. I think there are things babies dislike even to the point of tears.
According to christians hate is just not loving as much, yeah absolute crap like what you are trying desperately to equivocate.
I'm a prophet or didn't you notice, your equivocations are rock solid evidence of such.
Just give up, you keep proving me right with every equivocation you make.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/13/2015 7:04:21 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/12/2015 5:15:09 AM, s-anthony
I guess you don't have children?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/13/2015 1:18:26 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 7:02:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/13/2015 6:03:46 AM, s-anthony wrote:
Relate that to hate, yes I know you've made an unsupportable claim and will now equivocate to eternity rather than admit it.

According to Wiktionary, hate is to dislike something with intensity. I do not believe babies love everything; in fact, I don't believe babies like everything. I think there are things babies dislike even to the point of tears.
According to christians hate is just not loving as much, yeah absolute crap like what you are trying desperately to equivocate.
I'm a prophet or didn't you notice, your equivocations are rock solid evidence of such.
Just give up, you keep proving me right with every equivocation you make.

Ok.
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12/13/2015 1:24:36 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 7:04:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:15:09 AM, s-anthony
I guess you don't have children?

I was tempted to say the exact same thing about you, except I was going to say, "I guess you don't have children, never been around children, or have ever been a child, yourself."
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12/13/2015 1:31:19 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 1:24:36 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/13/2015 7:04:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:15:09 AM, s-anthony
I guess you don't have children?

I was tempted to say the exact same thing about you, except I was going to say, "I guess you don't have children, never been around children, or have ever been a child, yourself."
Well I got in first and I can guarantee that I have a far greater knowledge and understanding of children/babies than you do.
So do you have any children?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/13/2015 1:51:46 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 1:31:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/13/2015 1:24:36 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/13/2015 7:04:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:15:09 AM, s-anthony
I guess you don't have children?

I was tempted to say the exact same thing about you, except I was going to say, "I guess you don't have children, never been around children, or have ever been a child, yourself."
Well I got in first and I can guarantee that I have a far greater knowledge and understanding of children/babies than you do.
So do you have any children?

No. I don't have children, but last time I checked, children were human, too.
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12/13/2015 2:07:15 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 1:51:46 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/13/2015 1:31:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/13/2015 1:24:36 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/13/2015 7:04:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:15:09 AM, s-anthony
I guess you don't have children?

I was tempted to say the exact same thing about you, except I was going to say, "I guess you don't have children, never been around children, or have ever been a child, yourself."
Well I got in first and I can guarantee that I have a far greater knowledge and understanding of children/babies than you do.
So do you have any children?

No. I don't have children, but last time I checked, children were human, too.
Thank you. Now do you want to tell me about baby hate again? hahahahaha.
You have no idea, child.
Equivocation nation just for you, keep it up.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/13/2015 3:22:36 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 2:07:15 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/13/2015 1:51:46 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/13/2015 1:31:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/13/2015 1:24:36 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/13/2015 7:04:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:15:09 AM, s-anthony
I guess you don't have children?

I was tempted to say the exact same thing about you, except I was going to say, "I guess you don't have children, never been around children, or have ever been a child, yourself."
Well I got in first and I can guarantee that I have a far greater knowledge and understanding of children/babies than you do.
So do you have any children?

No. I don't have children, but last time I checked, children were human, too.
Thank you. Now do you want to tell me about baby hate again? hahahahaha.
You have no idea, child.
Equivocation nation just for you, keep it up.

Ok. I don't have a politician, but that doesn't prevent me from knowing most of them are corrupt. I don't have a fundamentalist Bible thumper, but that doesn't prevent me from knowing most of them are hypocrites.
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12/13/2015 3:41:34 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 3:22:36 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/13/2015 2:07:15 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/13/2015 1:51:46 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/13/2015 1:31:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/13/2015 1:24:36 PM, s-anthony wrote:
At 12/13/2015 7:04:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/12/2015 5:15:09 AM, s-anthony
I guess you don't have children?

I was tempted to say the exact same thing about you, except I was going to say, "I guess you don't have children, never been around children, or have ever been a child, yourself."
Well I got in first and I can guarantee that I have a far greater knowledge and understanding of children/babies than you do.
So do you have any children?

No. I don't have children, but last time I checked, children were human, too.
Thank you. Now do you want to tell me about baby hate again? hahahahaha.
You have no idea, child.
Equivocation nation just for you, keep it up.

Ok. I don't have a politician, but that doesn't prevent me from knowing most of them are corrupt. I don't have a fundamentalist Bible thumper, but that doesn't prevent me from knowing most of them are hypocrites.

What you do have is equivocation and that is all you have.
My prophecy is fulfilled.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin