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janesix
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12/13/2015 4:43:17 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
There are plenty of mean people here, and i have some questions for you.

Where do your morals come from?
Are you mean in person, or just in the forums?
Do you feel guilty when you are mean to someone who doesnt deserve it?
Does it feel good to make someone feel bad?
Do you wish you were a nicer person?
Skyangel
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12/13/2015 8:52:15 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 4:43:17 AM, janesix wrote:
There are plenty of mean people here, and i have some questions for you.

Where do your morals come from?
Are you mean in person, or just in the forums?
Do you feel guilty when you are mean to someone who doesnt deserve it?
Does it feel good to make someone feel bad?
Do you wish you were a nicer person?

Maybe you ought to indicate what kind of words you interpret to be mean since I doubt anyone sees themselves as deliberately mean.
DanneJeRusse
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12/13/2015 3:31:02 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 4:43:17 AM, janesix wrote:
There are plenty of mean people here, and i have some questions for you.

Plenty? No doubt then, I must be part of that group of mean people. Are we the majority, btw?

I'll gladly take a mean stab at your questions, seeing as how the threads intention is clearly flame bait, and what better way to get mean than a thread that begs for it.

Where do your morals come from?

The same place as everyone else, the brain. We all decide our moral values from one moment to the next and it may vary from any given scenario requiring a moral choice.

Are you mean in person, or just in the forums?

Absolutely not, I'm way more bada$$ in person.

Do you feel guilty when you are mean to someone who doesnt deserve it?

Perhaps, this is a question best clarified before answering.

Most folks here who might be considered mean are merely being mean at the various religious ideologies and not the people who embrace them. That shouldn't be a problem, but unfortunately it is due to the fact theists take their religions very personally and consider their gods every bit a part of them as are their arms and legs. You assault their gods, you assault them. This is where the discussion usually starts to fall off the rails.

As to the question, no, I don't feel guilty assaulting someones god. I would expect that if a theist wishes to join a public forum, they should be fully prepared to understand they must separate themselves from their gods if any kind of discussion can take place.

Does it feel good to make someone feel bad?

Of course not. But, if it makes someone feel bad that I've considered their gods vindictive, corrupt megalomaniacs, should that be my problem? Am I at fault?

Do you wish you were a nicer person?

Absolutely. Here's how it works. I remember making some off hand comment to you at one time and would now like to take it back and apologize.
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slo1
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12/13/2015 4:24:33 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 3:31:02 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 12/13/2015 4:43:17 AM, janesix wrote:
There are plenty of mean people here, and i have some questions for you.

Plenty? No doubt then, I must be part of that group of mean people. Are we the majority, btw?

I'll gladly take a mean stab at your questions, seeing as how the threads intention is clearly flame bait, and what better way to get mean than a thread that begs for it.

Where do your morals come from?

The same place as everyone else, the brain. We all decide our moral values from one moment to the next and it may vary from any given scenario requiring a moral choice.

Are you mean in person, or just in the forums?

Absolutely not, I'm way more bada$$ in person.

Do you feel guilty when you are mean to someone who doesnt deserve it?

Perhaps, this is a question best clarified before answering.

Most folks here who might be considered mean are merely being mean at the various religious ideologies and not the people who embrace them. That shouldn't be a problem, but unfortunately it is due to the fact theists take their religions very personally and consider their gods every bit a part of them as are their arms and legs. You assault their gods, you assault them. This is where the discussion usually starts to fall off the rails.

As to the question, no, I don't feel guilty assaulting someones god. I would expect that if a theist wishes to join a public forum, they should be fully prepared to understand they must separate themselves from their gods if any kind of discussion can take place.

Does it feel good to make someone feel bad?

Of course not. But, if it makes someone feel bad that I've considered their gods vindictive, corrupt megalomaniacs, should that be my problem? Am I at fault?

Do you wish you were a nicer person?

Absolutely. Here's how it works. I remember making some off hand comment to you at one time and would now like to take it back and apologize.

Well played DJR. I would only expand upon the concept that morals are decisions. I think a persons moral base always begins with emotion and whether a person can and how much he empathizes, trusts, etc.

That sentiment can explain how millions of Christians can look at a population of people running from war in great need and justify pushing them aside due to fear that a few "bad" people will do some harm despite it going against the very morals their faith espouses.

I have a feeling that decisions are often founded upon the colored lens the individual operates in due to brain structure and functioning, IE: high empathy versus low empathy, high trusting versus low trusting, etc
Skepsikyma
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12/13/2015 7:45:37 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 4:43:17 AM, janesix wrote:
There are plenty of mean people here, and i have some questions for you.

Where do your morals come from?
Basic etiquette
Are you mean in person, or just in the forums?
I can be a bit of a snarky bitch in both.
Do you feel guilty when you are mean to someone who doesnt deserve it?
I'm only ever mean to people who deserve it, or to people who know that it's all in good fun.
Does it feel good to make someone feel bad?
Yes, if you mean a sense of accomplishment. Suffering helps people grow. Punishment helps modify problem behaviors. Humans aren't so fragile that someone being snarky on the internet will destroy them, and this touchy-feely trend of declawing all human interactions is downright pathological.
Do you wish you were a nicer person?
No. I'm at about the perfect niceness level right now.
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RuvDraba
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12/13/2015 9:07:06 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 4:43:17 AM, janesix wrote:
There are plenty of mean people here, and i have some questions for you.
I don't know whether I'm a mean person or not in your eyes, Jane, but the premise was so provocative that I decided to answer anyway.

Where do your morals come from?
Normally, from a deep, abiding, lifelong respect for my fellow man, a regard for evidence and reason, and a delight in the wonder of life itself. But when I wish to be mean, I consult Macchiavelli's The Prince, or read any novel by Thomas Harris.

Are you mean in person, or just in the forums?
I'm worse in person, because I have thick eyebrows, which I can use to good effect.

Do you feel guilty when you are mean to someone who doesn't deserve it?
If you'd be so kind to point out the lazy, cowardly, dishonest and malignant members who don't deserve to feel bad for their behaviour, I'll guarantee to try and feel guilty, should I ever again criticise them.

Does it feel good to make someone feel bad?
Absolutely! The ability to confront wrong and criticise bad thought is part of maintaining our ethics, dignity and self-esteem. If we couldn't exercise that ability, we'd be so disempowered, we'd all become passive-aggressive whiners.

Do you wish you were a nicer person?
I wish my eyebrows were thicker, Jane, like Oscar's from Sesame Street. I often feel robbed of greatness by eyebrows that, while impressive, in the end aren't quite thick enough.
DPMartin
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12/14/2015 8:24:45 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/13/2015 4:43:17 AM, janesix wrote:
There are plenty of mean people here, and i have some questions for you.

Where do your morals come from?
Are you mean in person, or just in the forums?
Do you feel guilty when you are mean to someone who doesnt deserve it?
Does it feel good to make someone feel bad?
Do you wish you were a nicer person?

Is there some reason why, people on this site are supposed to be what you think they ought to be? This is a "debate" site correct? Warm and fuzzy sites I do believe are some where else on the internet.

What some think is debating with another can be any way they can to get their opponent off point. And playing their emotions can be a part of that. Football players say anything that their opponent might care about to get their opponent across the line of scrimmage to make a mistake, its no different then that.