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12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.
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12/15/2015 3:39:15 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

the rules of nature, evolution, natural biological laws and natural laws itself are the creation process that are provided by God.
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12/15/2015 3:54:13 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 3:39:15 AM, uncung wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

the rules of nature, evolution, natural biological laws and natural laws itself are the creation process that are provided by God.

That would make god outside of nature, and that is impossibe.
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12/15/2015 4:09:38 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 3:54:13 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:39:15 AM, uncung wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

the rules of nature, evolution, natural biological laws and natural laws itself are the creation process that are provided by God.

That would make god outside of nature, and that is impossibe.

Why is it impossible?
janesix
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12/15/2015 4:38:11 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 4:09:38 AM, uncung wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:54:13 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:39:15 AM, uncung wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

the rules of nature, evolution, natural biological laws and natural laws itself are the creation process that are provided by God.

That would make god outside of nature, and that is impossibe.

Why is it impossible?

Because everything has to follow the rules and laws of nature. Nothing can exist outside of nature.
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12/15/2015 4:44:31 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 4:38:11 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 4:09:38 AM, uncung wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:54:13 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:39:15 AM, uncung wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

the rules of nature, evolution, natural biological laws and natural laws itself are the creation process that are provided by God.

That would make god outside of nature, and that is impossibe.

Why is it impossible?

Because everything has to follow the rules and laws of nature. Nothing can exist outside of nature.
God the One who provides the rules and the laws of nature. Do you think nature provides its own rules? How can they do that? it is nonsense scientifically.
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12/15/2015 4:56:02 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 4:44:31 AM, uncung wrote:
At 12/15/2015 4:38:11 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 4:09:38 AM, uncung wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:54:13 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:39:15 AM, uncung wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

the rules of nature, evolution, natural biological laws and natural laws itself are the creation process that are provided by God.

That would make god outside of nature, and that is impossibe.

Why is it impossible?

Because everything has to follow the rules and laws of nature. Nothing can exist outside of nature.
God the One who provides the rules and the laws of nature. Do you think nature provides its own rules? How can they do that? it is nonsense scientifically.

Nature exists the way it does because there is no other way for it to exist. Can a triangle have more than three sides? Can there be more than three spacial dientions? It wouldnt work any other way.
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12/15/2015 7:10:24 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
God the One who provides the rules and the laws of nature. Do you think nature provides its own rules? How can they do that? it is nonsense scientifically.

Nature exists the way it does because there is no other way for it to exist. Can a triangle have more than three sides? Can there be more than three spacial dientions? It wouldnt work any other way.

You try to say the bird nest does exist the way it does by skipping the bird work.
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12/15/2015 12:31:50 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

I think I see where you are going with this and I agree, half way.

First let me say this, terms such as "supernatural, spiritual, paranormal, heavenly, transcendental, invisible, miraculous"ect... these are just words to describe events or beings that are of the spiritual dimension (realm).
The spiritual realm encompasses our physical world, we exists inside of it but our material bodies are limited in their form to what we can see and do, whereas in the "spiritual" realm those material restrictions do not exist and this is where the differences come into play, however as you pointed out the spiritual still operates within natural/spiritual laws, but the potential within the two worlds greatly differ IF you inhabit an earthly body.

Lets say for example when we leave this body we still remain conscious and thinking and in a "body/form" more akin to say pure energy, now imagine what you know your mind and consciousness could do without flesh and bones! you could do ALOT more stuff lol, when your spirit releases into the spiritual realm where you are a conscious being in a sea of energetic bliss your potential and options GREATLY increase.
God is an Entity without flesh and bones, He is unrestricted by the limitations of an earthly vessel, which means both that God does operate outside of physical laws, but also operates inside "laws" but the laws God exists in are far more complex than what we are naturally aware of and of greater dimension.
When God creates many people think God just poofs things into existence, but God uses intelligence and construction, like a mad scientist God knows the elements and how to manipulate them obviously, I mean look how God fixes it to where our very own stars seed our universe, that is brilliant. Think about how everything in the universe moves and spins violently yet controlled and calculated, that is brilliant.

Really the only reason the terms exist is because the operation of the spiritual dimension does not currently exist in scientific inquiry/discovery so we label spiritual phenomena with the "supernatural", but as you are pointing out, once/if it is discovered then the labels can be removed and it will no longer be considered "paranormal".
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12/15/2015 1:43:09 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 12:31:50 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
but also operates inside "laws" but the laws God exists in are far more complex than what we are naturally aware of and of greater dimension.
Who or what created these laws that your god is subject to?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/15/2015 2:14:54 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 3:39:15 AM, uncung wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

the rules of nature, evolution, natural biological laws and natural laws itself are the creation process that are provided by God.

You have NO evidence to support that statement!
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12/15/2015 7:39:12 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 12:31:50 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

I think I see where you are going with this and I agree, half way.

First let me say this, terms such as "supernatural, spiritual, paranormal, heavenly, transcendental, invisible, miraculous"ect... these are just words to describe events or beings that are of the spiritual dimension (realm).
The spiritual realm encompasses our physical world, we exists inside of it but our material bodies are limited in their form to what we can see and do, whereas in the "spiritual" realm those material restrictions do not exist and this is where the differences come into play, however as you pointed out the spiritual still operates within natural/spiritual laws, but the potential within the two worlds greatly differ IF you inhabit an earthly body.

Lets say for example when we leave this body we still remain conscious and thinking and in a "body/form" more akin to say pure energy, now imagine what you know your mind and consciousness could do without flesh and bones! you could do ALOT more stuff lol, when your spirit releases into the spiritual realm where you are a conscious being in a sea of energetic bliss your potential and options GREATLY increase.
God is an Entity without flesh and bones, He is unrestricted by the limitations of an earthly vessel, which means both that God does operate outside of physical laws, but also operates inside "laws" but the laws God exists in are far more complex than what we are naturally aware of and of greater dimension.
When God creates many people think God just poofs things into existence, but God uses intelligence and construction, like a mad scientist God knows the elements and how to manipulate them obviously, I mean look how God fixes it to where our very own stars seed our universe, that is brilliant. Think about how everything in the universe moves and spins violently yet controlled and calculated, that is brilliant.

Really the only reason the terms exist is because the operation of the spiritual dimension does not currently exist in scientific inquiry/discovery so we label spiritual phenomena with the "supernatural", but as you are pointing out, once/if it is discovered then the labels can be removed and it will no longer be considered "paranormal".

What evidence do you have of a supernatural realm?
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12/15/2015 9:21:12 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 7:39:12 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 12:31:50 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

I think I see where you are going with this and I agree, half way.

First let me say this, terms such as "supernatural, spiritual, paranormal, heavenly, transcendental, invisible, miraculous"ect... these are just words to describe events or beings that are of the spiritual dimension (realm).
The spiritual realm encompasses our physical world, we exists inside of it but our material bodies are limited in their form to what we can see and do, whereas in the "spiritual" realm those material restrictions do not exist and this is where the differences come into play, however as you pointed out the spiritual still operates within natural/spiritual laws, but the potential within the two worlds greatly differ IF you inhabit an earthly body.

Lets say for example when we leave this body we still remain conscious and thinking and in a "body/form" more akin to say pure energy, now imagine what you know your mind and consciousness could do without flesh and bones! you could do ALOT more stuff lol, when your spirit releases into the spiritual realm where you are a conscious being in a sea of energetic bliss your potential and options GREATLY increase.
God is an Entity without flesh and bones, He is unrestricted by the limitations of an earthly vessel, which means both that God does operate outside of physical laws, but also operates inside "laws" but the laws God exists in are far more complex than what we are naturally aware of and of greater dimension.
When God creates many people think God just poofs things into existence, but God uses intelligence and construction, like a mad scientist God knows the elements and how to manipulate them obviously, I mean look how God fixes it to where our very own stars seed our universe, that is brilliant. Think about how everything in the universe moves and spins violently yet controlled and calculated, that is brilliant.

Really the only reason the terms exist is because the operation of the spiritual dimension does not currently exist in scientific inquiry/discovery so we label spiritual phenomena with the "supernatural", but as you are pointing out, once/if it is discovered then the labels can be removed and it will no longer be considered "paranormal".

What evidence do you have of a supernatural realm?

My own observations, scripture and testimonial witness. All I need to believe it is see it (which I have), all I need to verify it is through scripture and application (spiritual source, and which I have) and to have many witnesses (eye witness support) means to have continuity, "evidence" is overwhelming.
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12/15/2015 9:23:26 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 1:43:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/15/2015 12:31:50 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
but also operates inside "laws" but the laws God exists in are far more complex than what we are naturally aware of and of greater dimension.
Who or what created these laws that your god is subject to?

Some things exist because they must, others because God fixed them. Some things are just are because there is no other way around them.
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12/15/2015 9:25:51 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 9:21:12 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 7:39:12 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 12:31:50 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

I think I see where you are going with this and I agree, half way.

First let me say this, terms such as "supernatural, spiritual, paranormal, heavenly, transcendental, invisible, miraculous"ect... these are just words to describe events or beings that are of the spiritual dimension (realm).
The spiritual realm encompasses our physical world, we exists inside of it but our material bodies are limited in their form to what we can see and do, whereas in the "spiritual" realm those material restrictions do not exist and this is where the differences come into play, however as you pointed out the spiritual still operates within natural/spiritual laws, but the potential within the two worlds greatly differ IF you inhabit an earthly body.

Lets say for example when we leave this body we still remain conscious and thinking and in a "body/form" more akin to say pure energy, now imagine what you know your mind and consciousness could do without flesh and bones! you could do ALOT more stuff lol, when your spirit releases into the spiritual realm where you are a conscious being in a sea of energetic bliss your potential and options GREATLY increase.
God is an Entity without flesh and bones, He is unrestricted by the limitations of an earthly vessel, which means both that God does operate outside of physical laws, but also operates inside "laws" but the laws God exists in are far more complex than what we are naturally aware of and of greater dimension.
When God creates many people think God just poofs things into existence, but God uses intelligence and construction, like a mad scientist God knows the elements and how to manipulate them obviously, I mean look how God fixes it to where our very own stars seed our universe, that is brilliant. Think about how everything in the universe moves and spins violently yet controlled and calculated, that is brilliant.

Really the only reason the terms exist is because the operation of the spiritual dimension does not currently exist in scientific inquiry/discovery so we label spiritual phenomena with the "supernatural", but as you are pointing out, once/if it is discovered then the labels can be removed and it will no longer be considered "paranormal".

What evidence do you have of a supernatural realm?

My own observations, scripture and testimonial witness. All I need to believe it is see it (which I have), all I need to verify it is through scripture and application (spiritual source, and which I have) and to have many witnesses (eye witness support) means to have continuity, "evidence" is overwhelming.

What makes you think it is supernatural rather than natural?
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12/15/2015 9:27:13 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 9:23:26 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 1:43:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/15/2015 12:31:50 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
but also operates inside "laws" but the laws God exists in are far more complex than what we are naturally aware of and of greater dimension.
Who or what created these laws that your god is subject to?

Some things exist because they must, others because God fixed them. Some things are just are because there is no other way around them.

I often ask the question bulproof put to you.

Who decided how/why some things do/be/act "as they must?"
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12/15/2015 9:27:18 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 9:25:51 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:21:12 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 7:39:12 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 12:31:50 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

I think I see where you are going with this and I agree, half way.

First let me say this, terms such as "supernatural, spiritual, paranormal, heavenly, transcendental, invisible, miraculous"ect... these are just words to describe events or beings that are of the spiritual dimension (realm).
The spiritual realm encompasses our physical world, we exists inside of it but our material bodies are limited in their form to what we can see and do, whereas in the "spiritual" realm those material restrictions do not exist and this is where the differences come into play, however as you pointed out the spiritual still operates within natural/spiritual laws, but the potential within the two worlds greatly differ IF you inhabit an earthly body.

Lets say for example when we leave this body we still remain conscious and thinking and in a "body/form" more akin to say pure energy, now imagine what you know your mind and consciousness could do without flesh and bones! you could do ALOT more stuff lol, when your spirit releases into the spiritual realm where you are a conscious being in a sea of energetic bliss your potential and options GREATLY increase.
God is an Entity without flesh and bones, He is unrestricted by the limitations of an earthly vessel, which means both that God does operate outside of physical laws, but also operates inside "laws" but the laws God exists in are far more complex than what we are naturally aware of and of greater dimension.
When God creates many people think God just poofs things into existence, but God uses intelligence and construction, like a mad scientist God knows the elements and how to manipulate them obviously, I mean look how God fixes it to where our very own stars seed our universe, that is brilliant. Think about how everything in the universe moves and spins violently yet controlled and calculated, that is brilliant.

Really the only reason the terms exist is because the operation of the spiritual dimension does not currently exist in scientific inquiry/discovery so we label spiritual phenomena with the "supernatural", but as you are pointing out, once/if it is discovered then the labels can be removed and it will no longer be considered "paranormal".

What evidence do you have of a supernatural realm?

My own observations, scripture and testimonial witness. All I need to believe it is see it (which I have), all I need to verify it is through scripture and application (spiritual source, and which I have) and to have many witnesses (eye witness support) means to have continuity, "evidence" is overwhelming.

What makes you think it is supernatural rather than natural?

I don't, did you even read my OP lol??? wow that is just ridiculous and a waste of typing!
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12/15/2015 9:30:33 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 9:27:13 PM, Pollux wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:23:26 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 1:43:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/15/2015 12:31:50 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
but also operates inside "laws" but the laws God exists in are far more complex than what we are naturally aware of and of greater dimension.
Who or what created these laws that your god is subject to?

Some things exist because they must, others because God fixed them. Some things are just are because there is no other way around them.

I often ask the question bulproof put to you.

Answered.

Who decided how/why some things do/be/act "as they must?"

Why must they not (do/be/act) as they must? do you not understand basic physics/chemistry?
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12/15/2015 9:40:28 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
I don't have any problem with the laws of physics.

I'm asking who you think set the laws of physics.
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12/15/2015 9:42:47 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 9:40:28 PM, Pollux wrote:
I don't have any problem with the laws of physics.

I'm asking who you think set the laws of physics.

Before you ask anything you need to learn how to form your sentences and how to reply to someones post, then I can answer.
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12/15/2015 9:43:47 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 9:27:18 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:25:51 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:21:12 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 7:39:12 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 12:31:50 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

I think I see where you are going with this and I agree, half way.

First let me say this, terms such as "supernatural, spiritual, paranormal, heavenly, transcendental, invisible, miraculous"ect... these are just words to describe events or beings that are of the spiritual dimension (realm).
The spiritual realm encompasses our physical world, we exists inside of it but our material bodies are limited in their form to what we can see and do, whereas in the "spiritual" realm those material restrictions do not exist and this is where the differences come into play, however as you pointed out the spiritual still operates within natural/spiritual laws, but the potential within the two worlds greatly differ IF you inhabit an earthly body.

Lets say for example when we leave this body we still remain conscious and thinking and in a "body/form" more akin to say pure energy, now imagine what you know your mind and consciousness could do without flesh and bones! you could do ALOT more stuff lol, when your spirit releases into the spiritual realm where you are a conscious being in a sea of energetic bliss your potential and options GREATLY increase.
God is an Entity without flesh and bones, He is unrestricted by the limitations of an earthly vessel, which means both that God does operate outside of physical laws, but also operates inside "laws" but the laws God exists in are far more complex than what we are naturally aware of and of greater dimension.
When God creates many people think God just poofs things into existence, but God uses intelligence and construction, like a mad scientist God knows the elements and how to manipulate them obviously, I mean look how God fixes it to where our very own stars seed our universe, that is brilliant. Think about how everything in the universe moves and spins violently yet controlled and calculated, that is brilliant.

Really the only reason the terms exist is because the operation of the spiritual dimension does not currently exist in scientific inquiry/discovery so we label spiritual phenomena with the "supernatural", but as you are pointing out, once/if it is discovered then the labels can be removed and it will no longer be considered "paranormal".

What evidence do you have of a supernatural realm?

My own observations, scripture and testimonial witness. All I need to believe it is see it (which I have), all I need to verify it is through scripture and application (spiritual source, and which I have) and to have many witnesses (eye witness support) means to have continuity, "evidence" is overwhelming.

What makes you think it is supernatural rather than natural?

I don't, did you even read my OP lol??? wow that is just ridiculous and a waste of typing!

I apologize, i must have missed something you wrote. Im reading this from my phone so its easy to miss things.i will go through this post later when i can get on my computer.
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12/15/2015 9:48:51 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 9:43:47 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:27:18 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:25:51 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:21:12 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 7:39:12 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/15/2015 12:31:50 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural. If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature, just as human creators must follow the rules of nature. Evolution must follow natural biological laws. We dont know what those biological laws are yet, although if we keep searching we will evetually figure it out. Then scientists will see that evolution follows a predetermined path by natural law.

I think I see where you are going with this and I agree, half way.

First let me say this, terms such as "supernatural, spiritual, paranormal, heavenly, transcendental, invisible, miraculous"ect... these are just words to describe events or beings that are of the spiritual dimension (realm).
The spiritual realm encompasses our physical world, we exists inside of it but our material bodies are limited in their form to what we can see and do, whereas in the "spiritual" realm those material restrictions do not exist and this is where the differences come into play, however as you pointed out the spiritual still operates within natural/spiritual laws, but the potential within the two worlds greatly differ IF you inhabit an earthly body.

Lets say for example when we leave this body we still remain conscious and thinking and in a "body/form" more akin to say pure energy, now imagine what you know your mind and consciousness could do without flesh and bones! you could do ALOT more stuff lol, when your spirit releases into the spiritual realm where you are a conscious being in a sea of energetic bliss your potential and options GREATLY increase.
God is an Entity without flesh and bones, He is unrestricted by the limitations of an earthly vessel, which means both that God does operate outside of physical laws, but also operates inside "laws" but the laws God exists in are far more complex than what we are naturally aware of and of greater dimension.
When God creates many people think God just poofs things into existence, but God uses intelligence and construction, like a mad scientist God knows the elements and how to manipulate them obviously, I mean look how God fixes it to where our very own stars seed our universe, that is brilliant. Think about how everything in the universe moves and spins violently yet controlled and calculated, that is brilliant.

Really the only reason the terms exist is because the operation of the spiritual dimension does not currently exist in scientific inquiry/discovery so we label spiritual phenomena with the "supernatural", but as you are pointing out, once/if it is discovered then the labels can be removed and it will no longer be considered "paranormal".

What evidence do you have of a supernatural realm?

My own observations, scripture and testimonial witness. All I need to believe it is see it (which I have), all I need to verify it is through scripture and application (spiritual source, and which I have) and to have many witnesses (eye witness support) means to have continuity, "evidence" is overwhelming.

What makes you think it is supernatural rather than natural?

I don't, did you even read my OP lol??? wow that is just ridiculous and a waste of typing!

I apologize, i must have missed something you wrote. Im reading this from my phone so its easy to miss things.i will go through this post later when i can get on my computer.

K.
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12/15/2015 9:56:47 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural.
How can we tell whether an event defies the way nature works, or reveals more clearly how it works?

If we cannot tell, what use then is the term 'supernatural'?

If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature
What distinguishes a god from a non-divine supernatural agency? How could we discern the difference?

If we cannot discern how a supernatural effect differs from a natural effect, and cannot distinguish gods from other supernatural agencies, what use then is the term 'god'?
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12/15/2015 9:59:02 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 9:40:28 PM, Pollux wrote:
I don't have any problem with the laws of physics.

I'm asking who you think set the laws of physics.

What exactly did you not understand in my posts?
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12/15/2015 10:19:22 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 9:56:47 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 12/15/2015 3:17:03 AM, janesix wrote:
Nothing that exists is or can be supernatural.
How can we tell whether an event defies the way nature works, or reveals more clearly how it works?

If we cannot tell, what use then is the term 'supernatural'?

If there is a god it must follow the rules of nature
What distinguishes a god from a non-divine supernatural agency? How could we discern the difference?

If we cannot discern how a supernatural effect differs from a natural effect, and cannot distinguish gods from other supernatural agencies, what use then is the term 'god'?

To me god is an archetype, or an organizing principle of the life force.
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12/15/2015 10:20:28 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 9:59:02 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:40:28 PM, Pollux wrote:
I don't have any problem with the laws of physics.

I'm asking who you think set the laws of physics.

What exactly did you not understand in my posts?

So, you're refusing to opine on who or what set the laws of physics.
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12/15/2015 10:21:37 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 10:20:28 PM, Pollux wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:59:02 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:40:28 PM, Pollux wrote:
I don't have any problem with the laws of physics.

I'm asking who you think set the laws of physics.

What exactly did you not understand in my posts?

So, you're refusing to opine on who or what set the laws of physics.

No, where did you get that from?? Go back and read what I wrote.
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12/15/2015 10:29:26 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 10:21:37 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 10:20:28 PM, Pollux wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:59:02 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:40:28 PM, Pollux wrote:
I don't have any problem with the laws of physics.

I'm asking who you think set the laws of physics.

What exactly did you not understand in my posts?

So, you're refusing to opine on who or what set the laws of physics.

No, where did you get that from?? Go back and read what I wrote.

What a boring, useless game you're playing. Goodbye
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12/15/2015 10:30:40 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/15/2015 10:29:26 PM, Pollux wrote:
At 12/15/2015 10:21:37 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 10:20:28 PM, Pollux wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:59:02 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 12/15/2015 9:40:28 PM, Pollux wrote:
I don't have any problem with the laws of physics.

I'm asking who you think set the laws of physics.

What exactly did you not understand in my posts?

So, you're refusing to opine on who or what set the laws of physics.

No, where did you get that from?? Go back and read what I wrote.

What a boring, useless game you're playing. Goodbye

I wrote what you asked already, if you would like to elaborate go ahead, but you are making zero sense I mind you....
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12/16/2015 4:57:43 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
the rules of nature, evolution, natural biological laws and natural laws itself are the creation process that are provided by God.

You have NO evidence to support that statement!

the evidence are: the rules of nature, evolution, natural biological laws and natural laws.