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Benshapiro
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12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)
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12/17/2015 11:59:03 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

It's pretty unlikely that a god exists. So 80%.
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12/18/2015 1:58:31 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

I have been a hardcore atheist but ever since I started to read about religion, I almost have to go with the nr 1. It is not possible to fully denounce a religion or anything else for that matter. My opinion is now more that I don't like the notion of a creator in the religions I know of, especially the Abrahamic religions.

It is to me as logical that an eternal God created the existence as that the existence itself always have existed and thus also eternal.

Also, even if creationism is true, it doesn't make any religion more true nor more false. Nor does it necessarily mean that this god is even caring about humanity (deism).
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12/18/2015 2:13:33 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

It is hard to say what position I take. Definitely between 3-6. I don't think one can take position 7 (just like I don't think someone can say that God exists with 100% certainty).

I do think it is really unlikely that there is a god. Not close to a 50/50 chance, but not quite at a 100% chance.
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12/18/2015 2:17:40 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

But I do have to flip the question for you, which do you take?
(1) It's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) It's slightly more likely that a God exits (55%)
(3) It's pretty likely that a God exists (80%)
(4) It's very likely that a God exists (95%)
(5) It's extremely likely that a God exists (99%)
(6) There's an infinitesimally large chance, just below 100, that God exists (99.99999^10%)
(7) There's no chance that God doesn't exist (100%)
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12/18/2015 2:21:13 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 2:17:40 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

But I do have to flip the question for you, which do you take?
(1) It's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) It's slightly more likely that a God exits (55%)
(3) It's pretty likely that a God exists (80%)
(4) It's very likely that a God exists (95%)
(5) It's extremely likely that a God exists (99%)
(6) There's an infinitesimally large chance, just below 100, that God exists (99.99999^10%)
(7) There's no chance that God doesn't exist (100%)

4) It's very likely that a God exists (95%)
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12/18/2015 6:14:05 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 5:04:40 AM, Double_R wrote:
Define God.

He did.

Intelligent creator of the universe.
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12/18/2015 7:41:29 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

My confidence in atheism is 100%. FYI, my confidence in atheism is directly related to substantiation of the claims of God which is 0%.

It would be like trying to decide if you owned a Rolls Royce. It's possible you have a Rolls, but that doesn't make it probable. Imagine rating the existence of your Rolls according to the options above. I'm inclined to say there's no chance you have a Rolls until you prove it. I see no reason to give you the benefit of a doubt. If you have the evidence, then cough it up. Otherwise, my disbelief is justified. Is God any different?
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12/18/2015 10:16:09 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

depends how you define god.
if you say "this coffee cup is GOD" then i would believe that your god exists, although i don't see any reason to call it a god

if you said that your god created the universe and nothing else, then i would be a 1

if you said that your god has super human abilities, but none of the omin-qualities (like the hindu, norse, greek or roman gods) then i would be a 3

if you say your god is the same as the god in the bible or quran, then i would be a 7 because your god would be a contradiction

did i miss any?
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12/18/2015 2:35:35 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

If you cannot define God more specifically then I cannot even begin to give you a valid answer. I have as of yet seen no convincing evidence that such a being exists but that does not mean it does not. Until there is some way to actually test the hypothesis I will remain 100% confident in my conclusion based on the available evidence.
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12/18/2015 2:42:17 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:

(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
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12/18/2015 2:46:56 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

Towards this specific, generic definition, I cannot think of any factors by which any quantitative estimation can be formed. There is no reasonable evidence against or for its existence, since it doesn't necessarily interact with the world in order to provide any evidence. At its core, your definition encompasses deism, to which I have responded to in another thread. (http://www.debate.org...)
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12/18/2015 2:50:29 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)

All this is just one position, agnostic atheism, and leads to the same conclusion, because no matter what the percentage is (as if you could define it that way to begin with), there would still be an admittance that no one truly "knows" about the existence of an intelligent creator, but there is no reason to believe it without proof. That's pretty much the position of every atheist I know as well as my own, since to truly know whether a God exists, I'd probably have to be God.

(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

This is gnostic atheism, and is an incredibly hard position to defend though it can be done.

You should ask this question in a different way I think.

Whether:

a) you, as an atheist, live your life 100% as if there is no God
b) you, as an atheist, live your life with the belief you could be wrong.

This gets more at the core of the "confidence" question. People who choose a) are pretty darn sure of their atheism, even if they're agnostic atheists; people that choose b) however are a little less clear about their position and are more likely to be atheists who are, shall we say, not so committed.
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12/18/2015 3:17:10 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

I'm undecided between (2) and (3), but for now I ascribe to (2). Unless I'm convinced by theological non-cognitivism at some point.
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12/18/2015 6:35:26 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 6:14:05 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 12/18/2015 5:04:40 AM, Double_R wrote:
Define God.

He did.

Intelligent creator of the universe.

lol, I knew that.

Hey, it was 1am. Leave me alone.
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12/18/2015 6:41:10 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

So now that I know what God means...

My position is (1).

I get that by adding up all of the examples of universes confirmed to be the result of an intelligent creator (Zero), and I divide that by the number of examples we have (One). The result if a big fat ERROR message.
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12/18/2015 6:43:54 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 6:41:10 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

So now that I know what God means...

My position is (1).

I get that by adding up all of the examples of universes confirmed to be the result of an intelligent creator (Zero), and I divide that by the number of examples we have (One). The result if a big fat ERROR message.

Inference to the best explanation isn't feasible?
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12/18/2015 7:04:28 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/18/2015 6:43:54 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 12/18/2015 6:41:10 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

So now that I know what God means...

My position is (1).

I get that by adding up all of the examples of universes confirmed to be the result of an intelligent creator (Zero), and I divide that by the number of examples we have (One). The result if a big fat ERROR message.

Inference to the best explanation isn't feasible?

Inference requires prior examples. We have none.
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12/18/2015 7:10:54 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/17/2015 11:53:08 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'd like to know your degree of confidence in atheism. God defined as a intelligent creator of the universe

(1) it's not likely or unlikely whether God exists or not. I have no position. (N/A)
(2) it's slightly more unlikely that a God exists. (55%)
(3) it's pretty unlikely that a God exists. (80%)
(4) it's very unlikely that a God exists (95%)
(5) it's extremely unlikely that a God exists (99%)
(6) there's an infinitesmially small chance just above 0 that God exists. (99.99999^10 %)
(7) there's no chance that God exists. (100%)

When God is defined as an intelligent creator of the universe (Brahma), there is little confidence in the atheists position. In fact atheists are not that comfortable being atheists and have higher rates of suicides than believers.
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