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Illegalcombatant
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12/27/2015 11:58:38 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Sam Harris points some things out like floods drowning children, diseases etc etc and within that context says....

""Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn"t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely."

https://www.google.com...
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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12/28/2015 1:19:16 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/27/2015 11:58:38 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
Sam Harris points some things out like floods drowning children, diseases etc etc and within that context says....

""Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn"t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely."

https://www.google.com...

God is as powerful as Mother Nature when it comes to causing suffering through natural disasters and is also as weak as Mother Nature when it comes to preventing those disasters.
God is the same type of character as Mother Nature.
Is she good, evil, impotent, powerful, or just imaginary?

I place Mother Nature and God in the mythical category due to both having exactly the same attributes.
Illegalcombatant
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12/28/2015 1:22:05 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 1:19:16 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/27/2015 11:58:38 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
Sam Harris points some things out like floods drowning children, diseases etc etc and within that context says....

""Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn"t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely."

https://www.google.com...

God is as powerful as Mother Nature when it comes to causing suffering through natural disasters and is also as weak as Mother Nature when it comes to preventing those disasters.
God is the same type of character as Mother Nature.
Is she good, evil, impotent, powerful, or just imaginary?

I place Mother Nature and God in the mythical category due to both having exactly the same attributes.

God is conceived here as some sort of person, as opposed to mother nature which is just naturalistic processes which is absent making decisions.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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12/28/2015 1:29:34 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 1:22:05 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:19:16 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/27/2015 11:58:38 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
Sam Harris points some things out like floods drowning children, diseases etc etc and within that context says....

""Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn"t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely."

https://www.google.com...

God is as powerful as Mother Nature when it comes to causing suffering through natural disasters and is also as weak as Mother Nature when it comes to preventing those disasters.
God is the same type of character as Mother Nature.
Is she good, evil, impotent, powerful, or just imaginary?

I place Mother Nature and God in the mythical category due to both having exactly the same attributes.

God is conceived here as some sort of person, as opposed to mother nature which is just naturalistic processes which is absent making decisions.

Why do you conceive of God as some sort of person and do not conceive Mother Nature as some sort of person ?

Both are "some sort of person" in the sense that both are a personified version of natural forces.

Can't you see that?
Illegalcombatant
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12/28/2015 1:45:34 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 1:29:34 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:22:05 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:19:16 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/27/2015 11:58:38 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
Sam Harris points some things out like floods drowning children, diseases etc etc and within that context says....

""Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn"t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely."

https://www.google.com...

God is as powerful as Mother Nature when it comes to causing suffering through natural disasters and is also as weak as Mother Nature when it comes to preventing those disasters.
God is the same type of character as Mother Nature.
Is she good, evil, impotent, powerful, or just imaginary?

I place Mother Nature and God in the mythical category due to both having exactly the same attributes.

God is conceived here as some sort of person, as opposed to mother nature which is just naturalistic processes which is absent making decisions.

Why do you conceive of God as some sort of person and do not conceive Mother Nature as some sort of person ?

The argument is against such a personal God.


Both are "some sort of person" in the sense that both are a personified version of natural forces.

Can't you see that?

When people talk about a personal God, they are being quite literal. They know what they mean.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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12/28/2015 2:03:11 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 1:45:34 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:29:34 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:22:05 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:19:16 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/27/2015 11:58:38 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
Sam Harris points some things out like floods drowning children, diseases etc etc and within that context says....

""Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn"t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely."

https://www.google.com...

God is as powerful as Mother Nature when it comes to causing suffering through natural disasters and is also as weak as Mother Nature when it comes to preventing those disasters.
God is the same type of character as Mother Nature.
Is she good, evil, impotent, powerful, or just imaginary?

I place Mother Nature and God in the mythical category due to both having exactly the same attributes.

God is conceived here as some sort of person, as opposed to mother nature which is just naturalistic processes which is absent making decisions.

Why do you conceive of God as some sort of person and do not conceive Mother Nature as some sort of person ?

The argument is against such a personal God.

That doesn't answer my question.
Why do you conceive of God as some sort of person and do not conceive Mother Nature as some sort of person ?

Both are "some sort of person" in the sense that both are a personified version of natural forces.

Can't you see that?

When people talk about a personal God, they are being quite literal. They know what they mean.

So do children who talk about their invisible friends. Do mature adults argue with them about their invisible friends existence or simply humour them because they understand childish fantasies?

How do you get a child to put aside their beliefs in imaginary friends?
Do you tell them the truth that those invisible people do not exist in reality? Do you simply wait for them to grow out of the fantasy? Do you ask them to provide proof of the invisible persons existence before you understand what's going on in the childs head and imagination?

Mother Nature is God when it comes to natural disasters and the suffering created by those things. God is the male version of Natural forces and Mother Nature is the female version of the same forces.

People who insist on arguing about the existence or nonexistence of invisible characters and personal friends, are no different to children who insist those invisible characters are real and other children asking them to prove it with whatever evidence they can muster up. Both sides need to grow a mature understanding of childish fantasies and anthropomorphism.
Illegalcombatant
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12/28/2015 2:16:53 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 2:03:11 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:45:34 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:29:34 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:22:05 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:19:16 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/27/2015 11:58:38 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
Sam Harris points some things out like floods drowning children, diseases etc etc and within that context says....

""Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn"t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely."

https://www.google.com...

God is as powerful as Mother Nature when it comes to causing suffering through natural disasters and is also as weak as Mother Nature when it comes to preventing those disasters.
God is the same type of character as Mother Nature.
Is she good, evil, impotent, powerful, or just imaginary?

I place Mother Nature and God in the mythical category due to both having exactly the same attributes.

God is conceived here as some sort of person, as opposed to mother nature which is just naturalistic processes which is absent making decisions.

Why do you conceive of God as some sort of person and do not conceive Mother Nature as some sort of person ?

The argument is against such a personal God.

That doesn't answer my question.
Why do you conceive of God as some sort of person and do not conceive Mother Nature as some sort of person ?

Cause thats the common "conception" at least when it comes to the conception of a personal God.

Its like asking what do you conceive of alien abductions as people not from earth...........cause thats the conception.


Both are "some sort of person" in the sense that both are a personified version of natural forces.

Can't you see that?

When people talk about a personal God, they are being quite literal. They know what they mean.

So do children who talk about their invisible friends. Do mature adults argue with them about their invisible friends existence or simply humour them because they understand childish fantasies?

How do you get a child to put aside their beliefs in imaginary friends?
Do you tell them the truth that those invisible people do not exist in reality? Do you simply wait for them to grow out of the fantasy? Do you ask them to provide proof of the invisible persons existence before you understand what's going on in the childs head and imagination?

Mother Nature is God when it comes to natural disasters and the suffering created by those things. God is the male version of Natural forces and Mother Nature is the female version of the same forces.

People who insist on arguing about the existence or nonexistence of invisible characters and personal friends, are no different to children who insist those invisible characters are real and other children asking them to prove it with whatever evidence they can muster up. Both sides need to grow a mature understanding of childish fantasies and anthropomorphism.

Unfortunately in the real world, the adults invisible friend and various beliefs that go with that invisible friend have said adults doing and supporting some harmful things they would not other wise support.

Also the invisible friend is often used as a thought terminator/trump card God says, ...........end of argument.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
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12/28/2015 4:14:36 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 2:16:53 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/28/2015 2:03:11 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:45:34 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:29:34 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:22:05 AM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 12/28/2015 1:19:16 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/27/2015 11:58:38 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
Sam Harris points some things out like floods drowning children, diseases etc etc and within that context says....

""Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn"t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely."

https://www.google.com...

God is as powerful as Mother Nature when it comes to causing suffering through natural disasters and is also as weak as Mother Nature when it comes to preventing those disasters.
God is the same type of character as Mother Nature.
Is she good, evil, impotent, powerful, or just imaginary?

I place Mother Nature and God in the mythical category due to both having exactly the same attributes.

God is conceived here as some sort of person, as opposed to mother nature which is just naturalistic processes which is absent making decisions.

Why do you conceive of God as some sort of person and do not conceive Mother Nature as some sort of person ?

The argument is against such a personal God.

That doesn't answer my question.
Why do you conceive of God as some sort of person and do not conceive Mother Nature as some sort of person ?

Cause thats the common "conception" at least when it comes to the conception of a personal God.

Its like asking what do you conceive of alien abductions as people not from earth...........cause thats the conception.


Both are "some sort of person" in the sense that both are a personified version of natural forces.

Can't you see that?

When people talk about a personal God, they are being quite literal. They know what they mean.

So do children who talk about their invisible friends. Do mature adults argue with them about their invisible friends existence or simply humour them because they understand childish fantasies?

How do you get a child to put aside their beliefs in imaginary friends?
Do you tell them the truth that those invisible people do not exist in reality? Do you simply wait for them to grow out of the fantasy? Do you ask them to provide proof of the invisible persons existence before you understand what's going on in the childs head and imagination?

Mother Nature is God when it comes to natural disasters and the suffering created by those things. God is the male version of Natural forces and Mother Nature is the female version of the same forces.

People who insist on arguing about the existence or nonexistence of invisible characters and personal friends, are no different to children who insist those invisible characters are real and other children asking them to prove it with whatever evidence they can muster up. Both sides need to grow a mature understanding of childish fantasies and anthropomorphism.

Unfortunately in the real world, the adults invisible friend and various beliefs that go with that invisible friend have said adults doing and supporting some harmful things they would not other wise support.

Also the invisible friend is often used as a thought terminator/trump card God says, ...........end of argument.

It's a crying shame that most of the adults in this world are mentally immature and superstitious and cling to popular common conceptions instead of trying to see concepts from different view points which make far more sense than the popularly accepted ones.