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12/28/2015 3:54:56 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 3:51:08 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Define the word "Atheist".
Already done.
Get an education.
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12/28/2015 4:00:17 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:51:08 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Define the word "Atheist".
Already done.
Get an education.

Already done. Be creative and define your own lack of beliefs instead of letting Webster do it for you.
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12/28/2015 4:02:15 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:00:17 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:51:08 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Define the word "Atheist".
Already done.
Get an education.

Already done. Be creative and define your own lack of beliefs instead of letting Webster do it for you.

What is it about theists that prevents them understanding the definitions of words, especially words as simply defined as atheist?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/28/2015 4:14:03 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:02:15 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:00:17 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:51:08 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Define the word "Atheist".
Already done.
Get an education.

Already done. Be creative and define your own lack of beliefs instead of letting Webster do it for you.

What is it about theists that prevents them understanding the definitions of words, especially words as simply defined as atheist?

What you are saying is all Atheists can be crammed into one dictionary definition box. That's wierd. The same cannot be said about all Theists. Now I know. According to you, Atheists all fall under one definition with no variance. I find it hard to understand how some do not understand the word "creative" which has a definition.
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12/28/2015 4:18:25 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:14:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:02:15 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:00:17 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:51:08 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Define the word "Atheist".
Already done.
Get an education.

Already done. Be creative and define your own lack of beliefs instead of letting Webster do it for you.

What is it about theists that prevents them understanding the definitions of words, especially words as simply defined as atheist?

What you are saying is all Atheists can be crammed into one dictionary definition box. That's wierd. The same cannot be said about all Theists. Now I know. According to you, Atheists all fall under one definition with no variance. I find it hard to understand how some do not understand the word "creative" which has a definition.
Yes the only requirement needed to be classified as an atheist is to lack a belief in god/gods. You're wrong about theists, the only requirement is that they believe in god/gods.
It's really simple.
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12/28/2015 4:26:47 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 3:51:08 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Define the word "Atheist".

Atheist - a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
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12/28/2015 4:34:26 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 3:51:08 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Define the word "Atheist".

Yea, this question has nothing to do with the "creativity" or "individuality" of atheists. It is nothing like being a Christian for example. Atheists simply lack a belief in the existence of a god.

Atheism just isn't anything like belonging to a religion. Like your thread "convert me to Atheism" - it just makes no scene. There is no doctrine, no dogma that we are trying to get you to agree with. Some religious people, you included, want to shove science into this, like we are carrying around copies of on the origin of species saying "have you herd the good news?"

You may never be able to accept this. You may insist that atheists are just like another religion. If, however, you just listen to the very clear words of anyone on these threads you will see it is not. It is as simple as - lacking a belief in the existence of a god".
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12/28/2015 4:42:11 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:00:17 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:

Already done. Be creative and define your own lack of beliefs instead of letting Webster do it for you.

Both of those terms (atheist and theist) only describe someone's state of belief towards one, very generically described issue of belief. No other information is contained within these labels that describes a person beyond the answer to that one question: do you believe that there exists a god or gods? There is no substance with which to be creative without arbitrarily adding things.
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12/28/2015 5:26:40 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 3:51:08 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Define the word "Atheist".

One who holds religions to be conclusions for which the facts of nature supply no major premises.

One who holds that any author of hemorrhoids is ultimately, unworthy of worship.

One who has conjectured a root cause of religious hatred, religious intolerance, religious oppression, religious persecution and religious wars, and dispensed with it.

One who insists that any moral superstructure needs a sound intellectual substructure.

One who holds that man is not a camel, and should not receive his burden kneeling.

(With some apologies to Ambrose Bierce. :D)
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12/28/2015 5:46:16 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:14:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:02:15 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:00:17 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:51:08 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Define the word "Atheist".
Already done.
Get an education.

Already done. Be creative and define your own lack of beliefs instead of letting Webster do it for you.

What is it about theists that prevents them understanding the definitions of words, especially words as simply defined as atheist?

What you are saying is all Atheists can be crammed into one dictionary definition box.

Yes. That's how definitions work.

That's wierd. The same cannot be said about all Theists.

Yes it gain. A theist is a person that believes in a god or gods.

Now I know. According to you, Atheists all fall under one definition with no variance.

No. That's not what he said. They fall under that definition, but certainly have variance. Firstly, definitions often have variances built into them (a word can have multiple meanings). Second, it only lumps atheists together by their atheism, and does not define, or require anything else to be the same about them, and we can vary in ways outside that definition.

I find it hard to understand how some do not understand the word "creative" which has a definition.
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12/29/2015 3:20:33 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:14:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
What you are saying is all Atheists can be crammed into one dictionary definition box. That's wierd.

No, it's not.

An atheist is a person who does not hold a belief in a God or gods.

The same cannot be said about all Theists.

Actually it can. If you believe in a God or gods, you are a theist. It's all one box.

According to you, Atheists all fall under one definition with no variance.

The definition "lack of belief" has no variance. This does not mean that atheists have no variance. The difference is that the parts which vary are not atheism. Much the say way that phones vary in all sorts of ways except one... they all make phone calls.
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12/29/2015 3:33:18 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:14:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:02:15 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:00:17 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:51:08 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Define the word "Atheist".
Already done.
Get an education.

Already done. Be creative and define your own lack of beliefs instead of letting Webster do it for you.

What is it about theists that prevents them understanding the definitions of words, especially words as simply defined as atheist?

What you are saying is all Atheists can be crammed into one dictionary definition box. That's wierd. The same cannot be said about all Theists. Now I know. According to you, Atheists all fall under one definition with no variance. I find it hard to understand how some do not understand the word "creative" which has a definition.

All Theists believe in the existence of a God: All Atheists deny the existence of a God, they believe that there is no God and that the word "GOD" or statements about a God are meaningless.

If they believe that there may be some possibility that a God just might exist, then they are not Atheists, but Agnostics.
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12/29/2015 9:29:53 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 3:33:18 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:14:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:02:15 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:00:17 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:51:08 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Define the word "Atheist".
Already done.
Get an education.

Already done. Be creative and define your own lack of beliefs instead of letting Webster do it for you.

What is it about theists that prevents them understanding the definitions of words, especially words as simply defined as atheist?

What you are saying is all Atheists can be crammed into one dictionary definition box. That's wierd. The same cannot be said about all Theists. Now I know. According to you, Atheists all fall under one definition with no variance. I find it hard to understand how some do not understand the word "creative" which has a definition.

All Theists believe in the existence of a God: All Atheists deny the existence of a God, they believe that there is no God and that the word "GOD" or statements about a God are meaningless.

If they believe that there may be some possibility that a God just might exist, then they are not Atheists, but Agnostics.

Is there anyone out there who claims to be a god believing Atheist?
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12/29/2015 10:02:21 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 3:33:18 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:14:03 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:02:15 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:00:17 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/28/2015 3:51:08 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Define the word "Atheist".
Already done.
Get an education.

Already done. Be creative and define your own lack of beliefs instead of letting Webster do it for you.

What is it about theists that prevents them understanding the definitions of words, especially words as simply defined as atheist?

What you are saying is all Atheists can be crammed into one dictionary definition box. That's wierd. The same cannot be said about all Theists. Now I know. According to you, Atheists all fall under one definition with no variance. I find it hard to understand how some do not understand the word "creative" which has a definition.

All Theists believe in the existence of a God: All Atheists deny the existence of a God, they believe that there is no God and that the word "GOD" or statements about a God are meaningless.

Atheists don't necessarily deny there is a god (although they might). They definitely don't accept claims of god though.

If they believe that there may be some possibility that a God just might exist, then they are not Atheists, but Agnostics.

'Agnostic' and atheist'/'theist' are not mutually exclusive terms. Theism/atheism is in regards to belief on the issue. Agnosticism/gnosticism is in regard to the knowledge.
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12/29/2015 10:05:28 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 9:40:20 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Someone who believes there is no God.

Not necessarily. Atheists disbelieve claims of god. They may (but not by definition) believe there are no gods.
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12/29/2015 10:19:07 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 3:51:08 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
Define the word "Atheist".
Why is it an issue? Why do some theist make the definition of atheist an issue? I find it bizarre.
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12/29/2015 10:22:51 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 10:05:28 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 9:40:20 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Someone who believes there is no God.

Not necessarily. Atheists disbelieve claims of god. They may (but not by definition) believe there are no gods.

Atheism isn't the negation of theism, it's the opposite. Agnosticism is the negation of theism (as it is the negation of atheism), and so it's fair to say that agnostics lack a belief in God. It's true that atheists also lack a belief in God, but atheists take it a step further than agnostics, and so it's more true to say that atheists believe there is no God.

That's not to say that atheists are irrational or dogmatic in their belief (on balance, they're probably less so than theists), but if you err on the side of no-God, then you believe there is no God.

If theism is 1, then agnosticism is 0 and atheism is -1, so to speak.
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12/29/2015 10:25:35 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 10:22:51 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:05:28 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 9:40:20 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Someone who believes there is no God.

Not necessarily. Atheists disbelieve claims of god. They may (but not by definition) believe there are no gods.

Atheism isn't the negation of theism, it's the opposite. Agnosticism is the negation of theism (as it is the negation of atheism), and so it's fair to say that agnostics lack a belief in God. It's true that atheists also lack a belief in God, but atheists take it a step further than agnostics, and so it's more true to say that atheists believe there is no God.

Wrong.

That's not to say that atheists are irrational or dogmatic in their belief (on balance, they're probably less so than theists), but if you err on the side of no-God, then you believe there is no God.

If theism is 1, then agnosticism is 0 and atheism is -1, so to speak.

Again, wrong.

'Agnostic' and atheist'/'theist' are not mutually exclusive terms. Theism/atheism is in regards to belief on the issue. Agnosticism/gnosticism is in regard to the knowledge.
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12/29/2015 10:26:29 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 10:05:28 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 9:40:20 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Someone who believes there is no God.

Not necessarily. Atheists disbelieve claims of god. They may (but not by definition) believe there are no gods.

Show to me a person who believes that a God may exist and yet claim that they are an Atheist, and I will show to you a person with a mixed up mind.
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12/29/2015 10:28:43 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 10:25:35 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:22:51 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:05:28 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 9:40:20 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Someone who believes there is no God.

Not necessarily. Atheists disbelieve claims of god. They may (but not by definition) believe there are no gods.

Atheism isn't the negation of theism, it's the opposite. Agnosticism is the negation of theism (as it is the negation of atheism), and so it's fair to say that agnostics lack a belief in God. It's true that atheists also lack a belief in God, but atheists take it a step further than agnostics, and so it's more true to say that atheists believe there is no God.

Wrong.

That's not to say that atheists are irrational or dogmatic in their belief (on balance, they're probably less so than theists), but if you err on the side of no-God, then you believe there is no God.

If theism is 1, then agnosticism is 0 and atheism is -1, so to speak.

Again, wrong.

'Agnostic' and atheist'/'theist' are not mutually exclusive terms. Theism/atheism is in regards to belief on the issue. Agnosticism/gnosticism is in regard to the knowledge.

Oh, okay. I thought I was right, but if you say otherwise I guess that proves I'm not.
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12/29/2015 10:31:58 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 10:28:43 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:25:35 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:22:51 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:05:28 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 9:40:20 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Someone who believes there is no God.

Not necessarily. Atheists disbelieve claims of god. They may (but not by definition) believe there are no gods.

Atheism isn't the negation of theism, it's the opposite. Agnosticism is the negation of theism (as it is the negation of atheism), and so it's fair to say that agnostics lack a belief in God. It's true that atheists also lack a belief in God, but atheists take it a step further than agnostics, and so it's more true to say that atheists believe there is no God.

Wrong.

That's not to say that atheists are irrational or dogmatic in their belief (on balance, they're probably less so than theists), but if you err on the side of no-God, then you believe there is no God.

If theism is 1, then agnosticism is 0 and atheism is -1, so to speak.

Again, wrong.

'Agnostic' and atheist'/'theist' are not mutually exclusive terms. Theism/atheism is in regards to belief on the issue. Agnosticism/gnosticism is in regard to the knowledge.

Oh, okay. I thought I was right, but if you say otherwise I guess that proves I'm not.

Knowledge and belief aren't on separate spectrums. Beliefs require knowledge, but a lack of perfect-knowledge. I believe the sun will rise tomorrow because I have knowledge of the sun always rising. I don't know what time specifically it will rise, because I lack perfect-knowledge.

When your opinion out-paces your knowledge, you say you believe it. When your opinion is within the confines of your knowledge, you say you know it. That's the only difference.
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12/29/2015 10:34:30 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 10:31:58 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:28:43 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:25:35 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:22:51 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:05:28 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 9:40:20 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Someone who believes there is no God.

Not necessarily. Atheists disbelieve claims of god. They may (but not by definition) believe there are no gods.

Atheism isn't the negation of theism, it's the opposite. Agnosticism is the negation of theism (as it is the negation of atheism), and so it's fair to say that agnostics lack a belief in God. It's true that atheists also lack a belief in God, but atheists take it a step further than agnostics, and so it's more true to say that atheists believe there is no God.

Wrong.

That's not to say that atheists are irrational or dogmatic in their belief (on balance, they're probably less so than theists), but if you err on the side of no-God, then you believe there is no God.

If theism is 1, then agnosticism is 0 and atheism is -1, so to speak.

Again, wrong.

'Agnostic' and atheist'/'theist' are not mutually exclusive terms. Theism/atheism is in regards to belief on the issue. Agnosticism/gnosticism is in regard to the knowledge.

Oh, okay. I thought I was right, but if you say otherwise I guess that proves I'm not.

Knowledge and belief aren't on separate spectrums. Beliefs require knowledge, but a lack of perfect-knowledge. I believe the sun will rise tomorrow because I have knowledge of the sun always rising. I don't know what time specifically it will rise, because I lack perfect-knowledge.

When your opinion out-paces your knowledge, you say you believe it. When your opinion is within the confines of your knowledge, you say you know it. That's the only difference.

I reject all current assertions of the existence of any god or gods but do not reject the possibility of such an entity existing, pending the presentation of viable, testable evidence. I lack belief but I do not actively disbelieve.
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12/29/2015 10:40:11 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 10:26:29 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:05:28 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 9:40:20 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Someone who believes there is no God.

Not necessarily. Atheists disbelieve claims of god. They may (but not by definition) believe there are no gods.

Show to me a person who believes that a God may exist and yet claim that they are an Atheist, and I will show to you a person with a mixed up mind.

Accepting the possibility of a god (not that it is likely) and disbelieving the lame claims of "God"/gods is consistent with atheism. Atheism and gnosticism are not the same thing.
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12/29/2015 10:59:57 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 10:31:58 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:28:43 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:25:35 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:22:51 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:05:28 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 9:40:20 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Someone who believes there is no God.

Not necessarily. Atheists disbelieve claims of god. They may (but not by definition) believe there are no gods.

Atheism isn't the negation of theism, it's the opposite. Agnosticism is the negation of theism (as it is the negation of atheism), and so it's fair to say that agnostics lack a belief in God. It's true that atheists also lack a belief in God, but atheists take it a step further than agnostics, and so it's more true to say that atheists believe there is no God.

Wrong.

That's not to say that atheists are irrational or dogmatic in their belief (on balance, they're probably less so than theists), but if you err on the side of no-God, then you believe there is no God.

If theism is 1, then agnosticism is 0 and atheism is -1, so to speak.

Again, wrong.

'Agnostic' and atheist'/'theist' are not mutually exclusive terms. Theism/atheism is in regards to belief on the issue. Agnosticism/gnosticism is in regard to the knowledge.

Oh, okay. I thought I was right, but if you say otherwise I guess that proves I'm not.

Knowledge and belief aren't on separate spectrums. Beliefs require knowledge, but a lack of perfect-knowledge. I believe the sun will rise tomorrow because I have knowledge of the sun always rising. I don't know what time specifically it will rise, because I lack perfect-knowledge.

When your opinion out-paces your knowledge, you say you believe it. When your opinion is within the confines of your knowledge, you say you know it. That's the only difference.

This doesn't negate anything I've said. Plus, there are only two possible positions when it comes to belief on any single claim:
1. Belief
2. Not belief

Agnostics generally don't believe (from my experience), and not believing is "atheism". (note - not all agnostics are atheists. Some believe there is a god(s) *theist*, but they also hold that they can't know for sure *agnostic*). You are confused if you think agnosticism is a position completely outside of theism or atheism.
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12/29/2015 11:07:30 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 10:22:51 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:05:28 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 9:40:20 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Someone who believes there is no God.

Not necessarily. Atheists disbelieve claims of god. They may (but not by definition) believe there are no gods.

Atheism isn't the negation of theism, it's the opposite. Agnosticism is the negation of theism (as it is the negation of atheism), and so it's fair to say that agnostics lack a belief in God. It's true that atheists also lack a belief in God, but atheists take it a step further than agnostics, and so it's more true to say that atheists believe there is no God.

That's not to say that atheists are irrational or dogmatic in their belief (on balance, they're probably less so than theists), but if you err on the side of no-God, then you believe there is no God.

If theism is 1, then agnosticism is 0 and atheism is -1, so to speak.

All in all, this is a semantics issue which can be alleviated by dropping the labels and just stating one's beliefs. As I see it, though:

Atheism : "Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods." [Oxford]
Agnostic : "A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God" [Oxford]

Atheism and theism pertain to personal states of belief regarding the matter of the existence of a god or gods. Agnosticism pertains to the ultimate availability of knowledge as a whole, rather than in a personal sense.

I also view atheism as the negation of theism for practicality. Consider these groups:

1. People who believe that a god exists.
2. People who believe that no god exists.
3. People who lack belief that any god exists.
4. People who have no exposure or knowledge whatsoever of the concept of god. (hypothetical)

Groups #2 and #3 will both live their lives as if god doesn't exist, and their lives would not be significantly more different that if they were totally oblivious to the concept of god, group #4. Group #1, on the other hand, will almost certainly live their lives drastically differently then those of group #4. Therefore, theistic belief is the part of the equation that deserves specific designation because groups #1 and #2 and very functionally similar in life.
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12/29/2015 11:10:57 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 10:31:58 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Knowledge and belief aren't on separate spectrums. Beliefs require knowledge, but a lack of perfect-knowledge. I believe the sun will rise tomorrow because I have knowledge of the sun always rising. I don't know what time specifically it will rise, because I lack perfect-knowledge.

When your opinion out-paces your knowledge, you say you believe it. When your opinion is within the confines of your knowledge, you say you know it. That's the only difference.

You contradict yourself. You don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow, you 'know' it will because you have knowledge of the sun.

You believe in God because you have no knowledge of God. That's the difference.
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12/29/2015 11:32:06 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 10:59:57 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:31:58 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:28:43 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:25:35 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:22:51 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:05:28 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/29/2015 9:40:20 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Someone who believes there is no God.

Not necessarily. Atheists disbelieve claims of god. They may (but not by definition) believe there are no gods.

Atheism isn't the negation of theism, it's the opposite. Agnosticism is the negation of theism (as it is the negation of atheism), and so it's fair to say that agnostics lack a belief in God. It's true that atheists also lack a belief in God, but atheists take it a step further than agnostics, and so it's more true to say that atheists believe there is no God.

Wrong.

That's not to say that atheists are irrational or dogmatic in their belief (on balance, they're probably less so than theists), but if you err on the side of no-God, then you believe there is no God.

If theism is 1, then agnosticism is 0 and atheism is -1, so to speak.

Again, wrong.

'Agnostic' and atheist'/'theist' are not mutually exclusive terms. Theism/atheism is in regards to belief on the issue. Agnosticism/gnosticism is in regard to the knowledge.

Oh, okay. I thought I was right, but if you say otherwise I guess that proves I'm not.

Knowledge and belief aren't on separate spectrums. Beliefs require knowledge, but a lack of perfect-knowledge. I believe the sun will rise tomorrow because I have knowledge of the sun always rising. I don't know what time specifically it will rise, because I lack perfect-knowledge.

When your opinion out-paces your knowledge, you say you believe it. When your opinion is within the confines of your knowledge, you say you know it. That's the only difference.

This doesn't negate anything I've said. Plus, there are only two possible positions when it comes to belief on any single claim:
1. Belief
2. Not belief

Agnostics generally don't believe (from my experience), and not believing is "atheism". (note - not all agnostics are atheists. Some believe there is a god(s) *theist*, but they also hold that they can't know for sure *agnostic*). You are confused if you think agnosticism is a position completely outside of theism or atheism.

Tell you what, shoot me a debate challenge, if you're so confident.
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12/29/2015 11:34:52 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Just an fyi, if I'm multiple posts into a discussion with someone else, and you decide to jump in, I won't respond to you, so don't be surprised if your posts go unanswered.
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