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12/29/2015 12:43:17 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

I'd probably just reformat the Sith Code to make more sense to the everyday person without so much of the social Darwinism that ultimately is useless without the powers of the force.
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12/29/2015 12:46:24 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

One in which the observer is its own higher power; that's a likely truth anyways.
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12/29/2015 12:47:34 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 12:46:24 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

One in which the observer is its own higher power; that's a likely truth anyways.

So basically a loose organisation of people who support each other's independence?
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12/29/2015 12:49:49 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 12:47:34 AM, MaxSterling wrote:
At 12/29/2015 12:46:24 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

One in which the observer is its own higher power; that's a likely truth anyways.

So basically a loose organisation of people who support each other's independence?

More like a platform (ie. earth/reality) that people choose to find their own independence in for their reason(s).
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12/29/2015 12:54:42 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 12:49:49 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 12/29/2015 12:47:34 AM, MaxSterling wrote:
At 12/29/2015 12:46:24 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

One in which the observer is its own higher power; that's a likely truth anyways.

So basically a loose organisation of people who support each other's independence?

More like a platform (ie. earth/reality) that people choose to find their own independence in for their reason(s).

I'm down, let's do it
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12/29/2015 12:57:13 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 12:54:42 AM, MaxSterling wrote:
At 12/29/2015 12:49:49 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 12/29/2015 12:47:34 AM, MaxSterling wrote:
At 12/29/2015 12:46:24 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

One in which the observer is its own higher power; that's a likely truth anyways.

So basically a loose organisation of people who support each other's independence?

More like a platform (ie. earth/reality) that people choose to find their own independence in for their reason(s).

I'm down, let's do it

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12/29/2015 3:43:39 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

It would simply be a way of life in honesty, caring for those in need. No worship of any characters would be necessary. It would be about teaching future generations survival skills, how to cope with natural disasters and simply how to get along with their fellow humans.
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12/29/2015 11:29:32 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 3:43:39 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

It would simply be a way of life in honesty, caring for those in need. No worship of any characters would be necessary. It would be about teaching future generations survival skills, how to cope with natural disasters and simply how to get along with their fellow humans.

Caring for those in need is perfect. If you did create a religion a good and helpful one. Do you think there would be members that would become just hell bent extreme on helping people. Like Giving all there time and possession away? . No way hey. You would have to create a god thingy , and the god thingy would have to have a special prize for you to collect when you die . Like Um eternity . Sleep in till when ya want, pokies and every press you get the feature , and a new years party every night, free breakfast lunch and tea , and Free drinks.limo transfers. And 70 virgin ..........................flights return for all ya friends.
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12/29/2015 10:00:18 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 11:29:32 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/29/2015 3:43:39 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

It would simply be a way of life in honesty, caring for those in need. No worship of any characters would be necessary. It would be about teaching future generations survival skills, how to cope with natural disasters and simply how to get along with their fellow humans.

Caring for those in need is perfect. If you did create a religion a good and helpful one. Do you think there would be members that would become just hell bent extreme on helping people. Like Giving all there time and possession away? . No way hey. You would have to create a god thingy , and the god thingy would have to have a special prize for you to collect when you die . Like Um eternity . Sleep in till when ya want, pokies and every press you get the feature , and a new years party every night, free breakfast lunch and tea , and Free drinks.limo transfers. And 70 virgin ..........................flights return for all ya friends.

It is unnecessary to give all your possessions away to help people. Think of all the volunteer workers on the planet already who love helping others. They give what they can and still have plenty for themselves.
Time is not something anyone can give away since we all have the same amount of it and spend it as we choose.

Why would you need to create a god thingy? What's the point of believing in fantasies?
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12/29/2015 10:05:24 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 12:43:17 AM, MaxSterling wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

I'd probably just reformat the Sith Code to make more sense to the everyday person without so much of the social Darwinism that ultimately is useless without the powers of the force.

Please do
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12/29/2015 10:20:22 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

Already did https://www.youtube.com...
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12/30/2015 9:16:45 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 10:00:18 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/29/2015 11:29:32 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/29/2015 3:43:39 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

It would simply be a way of life in honesty, caring for those in need. No worship of any characters would be necessary. It would be about teaching future generations survival skills, how to cope with natural disasters and simply how to get along with their fellow humans.

Caring for those in need is perfect. If you did create a religion a good and helpful one. Do you think there would be members that would become just hell bent extreme on helping people. Like Giving all there time and possession away? . No way hey. You would have to create a god thingy , and the god thingy would have to have a special prize for you to collect when you die . Like Um eternity . Sleep in till when ya want, pokies and every press you get the feature , and a new years party every night, free breakfast lunch and tea , and Free drinks.limo transfers. And 70 virgin ..........................flights return for all ya friends.

It is unnecessary to give all your possessions away to help people. Think of all the volunteer workers on the planet already who love helping others. They give what they can and still have plenty for themselves.
Time is not something anyone can give away since we all have the same amount of it and spend it as we choose.

Why would you need to create a god thingy? What's the point of believing in fantasies?

Well the god thingy we made up , will hold the keys to the gate , so to speak, He looks over us like a boss when your at work , and since we created the god thingy , we can give him a voice. So we will make up a bunch of grade A crap and we will put things in there to " GREATLY BENEFIT US " and our views on how we want people to live. TO BENEFIT US. Then we have to make him talk/appear to someone . any ideas. Mmmmm ok just go with me here. This is crazy but I'm drunk. Let's get him to talk / correspond through a burning bush. WTF WTF . To much . OK u got any ideas. Anyway ya have to do what he asks if you want to get in the special club . Right this crap down and hand it out. A beautiful helpful , book. With rules. Tomorrow night we will decide the order of our top 10 things we want.
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12/30/2015 11:27:56 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/30/2015 9:16:45 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:00:18 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/29/2015 11:29:32 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/29/2015 3:43:39 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

It would simply be a way of life in honesty, caring for those in need. No worship of any characters would be necessary. It would be about teaching future generations survival skills, how to cope with natural disasters and simply how to get along with their fellow humans.

Caring for those in need is perfect. If you did create a religion a good and helpful one. Do you think there would be members that would become just hell bent extreme on helping people. Like Giving all there time and possession away? . No way hey. You would have to create a god thingy , and the god thingy would have to have a special prize for you to collect when you die . Like Um eternity . Sleep in till when ya want, pokies and every press you get the feature , and a new years party every night, free breakfast lunch and tea , and Free drinks.limo transfers. And 70 virgin ..........................flights return for all ya friends.

It is unnecessary to give all your possessions away to help people. Think of all the volunteer workers on the planet already who love helping others. They give what they can and still have plenty for themselves.
Time is not something anyone can give away since we all have the same amount of it and spend it as we choose.

Why would you need to create a god thingy? What's the point of believing in fantasies?

Well the god thingy we made up , will hold the keys to the gate , so to speak, He looks over us like a boss when your at work , and since we created the god thingy , we can give him a voice. So we will make up a bunch of grade A crap and we will put things in there to " GREATLY BENEFIT US " and our views on how we want people to live. TO BENEFIT US. Then we have to make him talk/appear to someone . any ideas. Mmmmm ok just go with me here. This is crazy but I'm drunk. Let's get him to talk / correspond through a burning bush. WTF WTF . To much . OK u got any ideas. Anyway ya have to do what he asks if you want to get in the special club . Right this crap down and hand it out. A beautiful helpful , book. With rules. Tomorrow night we will decide the order of our top 10 things we want.

Your god thingy is about as much benefit to you as your alcohol. It dulls your senses.
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12/30/2015 12:00:36 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/30/2015 11:27:56 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/30/2015 9:16:45 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:00:18 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/29/2015 11:29:32 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/29/2015 3:43:39 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

It would simply be a way of life in honesty, caring for those in need. No worship of any characters would be necessary. It would be about teaching future generations survival skills, how to cope with natural disasters and simply how to get along with their fellow humans.

Caring for those in need is perfect. If you did create a religion a good and helpful one. Do you think there would be members that would become just hell bent extreme on helping people. Like Giving all there time and possession away? . No way hey. You would have to create a god thingy , and the god thingy would have to have a special prize for you to collect when you die . Like Um eternity . Sleep in till when ya want, pokies and every press you get the feature , and a new years party every night, free breakfast lunch and tea , and Free drinks.limo transfers. And 70 virgin ..........................flights return for all ya friends.

It is unnecessary to give all your possessions away to help people. Think of all the volunteer workers on the planet already who love helping others. They give what they can and still have plenty for themselves.
Time is not something anyone can give away since we all have the same amount of it and spend it as we choose.

Why would you need to create a god thingy? What's the point of believing in fantasies?

Well the god thingy we made up , will hold the keys to the gate , so to speak, He looks over us like a boss when your at work , and since we created the god thingy , we can give him a voice. So we will make up a bunch of grade A crap and we will put things in there to " GREATLY BENEFIT US " and our views on how we want people to live. TO BENEFIT US. Then we have to make him talk/appear to someone . any ideas. Mmmmm ok just go with me here. This is crazy but I'm drunk. Let's get him to talk / correspond through a burning bush. WTF WTF . To much . OK u got any ideas. Anyway ya have to do what he asks if you want to get in the special club . Right this crap down and hand it out. A beautiful helpful , book. With rules. Tomorrow night we will decide the order of our top 10 things we want.

Your god thingy is about as much benefit to you as your alcohol. It dulls your senses.

I don't drink . I was just guessing the people that wrote ya bible thing were . Actually to come up with a burning bush you might need to be on LSD.
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12/30/2015 12:05:57 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/30/2015 11:27:56 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/30/2015 9:16:45 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:00:18 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/29/2015 11:29:32 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/29/2015 3:43:39 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

It would simply be a way of life in honesty, caring for those in need. No worship of any characters would be necessary. It would be about teaching future generations survival skills, how to cope with natural disasters and simply how to get along with their fellow humans.

Caring for those in need is perfect. If you did create a religion a good and helpful one. Do you think there would be members that would become just hell bent extreme on helping people. Like Giving all there time and possession away? . No way hey. You would have to create a god thingy , and the god thingy would have to have a special prize for you to collect when you die . Like Um eternity . Sleep in till when ya want, pokies and every press you get the feature , and a new years party every night, free breakfast lunch and tea , and Free drinks.limo transfers. And 70 virgin ..........................flights return for all ya friends.

It is unnecessary to give all your possessions away to help people. Think of all the volunteer workers on the planet already who love helping others. They give what they can and still have plenty for themselves.
Time is not something anyone can give away since we all have the same amount of it and spend it as we choose.

Why would you need to create a god thingy? What's the point of believing in fantasies?

Well the god thingy we made up , will hold the keys to the gate , so to speak, He looks over us like a boss when your at work , and since we created the god thingy , we can give him a voice. So we will make up a bunch of grade A crap and we will put things in there to " GREATLY BENEFIT US " and our views on how we want people to live. TO BENEFIT US. Then we have to make him talk/appear to someone . any ideas. Mmmmm ok just go with me here. This is crazy but I'm drunk. Let's get him to talk / correspond through a burning bush. WTF WTF . To much . OK u got any ideas. Anyway ya have to do what he asks if you want to get in the special club . Right this crap down and hand it out. A beautiful helpful , book. With rules. Tomorrow night we will decide the order of our top 10 things we want.

Your god thingy is about as much benefit to you as your alcohol. It dulls your senses.

The post was if you could create your own religion. So I was creating my own religion. Sorry about that if something was lost in translation.
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12/30/2015 12:09:59 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

My personal creation of a deity has to listen to all my angst, but not answer back, LOL!
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12/30/2015 12:16:40 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/30/2015 12:00:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/30/2015 11:27:56 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/30/2015 9:16:45 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:00:18 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/29/2015 11:29:32 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/29/2015 3:43:39 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

It would simply be a way of life in honesty, caring for those in need. No worship of any characters would be necessary. It would be about teaching future generations survival skills, how to cope with natural disasters and simply how to get along with their fellow humans.

Caring for those in need is perfect. If you did create a religion a good and helpful one. Do you think there would be members that would become just hell bent extreme on helping people. Like Giving all there time and possession away? . No way hey. You would have to create a god thingy , and the god thingy would have to have a special prize for you to collect when you die . Like Um eternity . Sleep in till when ya want, pokies and every press you get the feature , and a new years party every night, free breakfast lunch and tea , and Free drinks.limo transfers. And 70 virgin ..........................flights return for all ya friends.

It is unnecessary to give all your possessions away to help people. Think of all the volunteer workers on the planet already who love helping others. They give what they can and still have plenty for themselves.
Time is not something anyone can give away since we all have the same amount of it and spend it as we choose.

Why would you need to create a god thingy? What's the point of believing in fantasies?

Well the god thingy we made up , will hold the keys to the gate , so to speak, He looks over us like a boss when your at work , and since we created the god thingy , we can give him a voice. So we will make up a bunch of grade A crap and we will put things in there to " GREATLY BENEFIT US " and our views on how we want people to live. TO BENEFIT US. Then we have to make him talk/appear to someone . any ideas. Mmmmm ok just go with me here. This is crazy but I'm drunk. Let's get him to talk / correspond through a burning bush. WTF WTF . To much . OK u got any ideas. Anyway ya have to do what he asks if you want to get in the special club . Right this crap down and hand it out. A beautiful helpful , book. With rules. Tomorrow night we will decide the order of our top 10 things we want.

Your god thingy is about as much benefit to you as your alcohol. It dulls your senses.

I don't drink . I was just guessing the people that wrote ya bible thing were . Actually to come up with a burning bush you might need to be on LSD.

Most likely sunstroke in the desert.
However, it's just a myth and ought not be taken literally. Voices do not literally speak out of fire and bushes which are on fire actually do burn. The one in the story was on fire and did not burn.
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12/30/2015 12:18:25 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/30/2015 12:16:40 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/30/2015 12:00:36 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/30/2015 11:27:56 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/30/2015 9:16:45 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/29/2015 10:00:18 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/29/2015 11:29:32 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 12/29/2015 3:43:39 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

It would simply be a way of life in honesty, caring for those in need. No worship of any characters would be necessary. It would be about teaching future generations survival skills, how to cope with natural disasters and simply how to get along with their fellow humans.

Caring for those in need is perfect. If you did create a religion a good and helpful one. Do you think there would be members that would become just hell bent extreme on helping people. Like Giving all there time and possession away? . No way hey. You would have to create a god thingy , and the god thingy would have to have a special prize for you to collect when you die . Like Um eternity . Sleep in till when ya want, pokies and every press you get the feature , and a new years party every night, free breakfast lunch and tea , and Free drinks.limo transfers. And 70 virgin ..........................flights return for all ya friends.

It is unnecessary to give all your possessions away to help people. Think of all the volunteer workers on the planet already who love helping others. They give what they can and still have plenty for themselves.
Time is not something anyone can give away since we all have the same amount of it and spend it as we choose.

Why would you need to create a god thingy? What's the point of believing in fantasies?

Well the god thingy we made up , will hold the keys to the gate , so to speak, He looks over us like a boss when your at work , and since we created the god thingy , we can give him a voice. So we will make up a bunch of grade A crap and we will put things in there to " GREATLY BENEFIT US " and our views on how we want people to live. TO BENEFIT US. Then we have to make him talk/appear to someone . any ideas. Mmmmm ok just go with me here. This is crazy but I'm drunk. Let's get him to talk / correspond through a burning bush. WTF WTF . To much . OK u got any ideas. Anyway ya have to do what he asks if you want to get in the special club . Right this crap down and hand it out. A beautiful helpful , book. With rules. Tomorrow night we will decide the order of our top 10 things we want.

Your god thingy is about as much benefit to you as your alcohol. It dulls your senses.

I don't drink . I was just guessing the people that wrote ya bible thing were . Actually to come up with a burning bush you might need to be on LSD.

Most likely sunstroke in the desert.
However, it's just a myth and ought not be taken literally. Voices do not literally speak out of fire and bushes which are on fire actually do burn. The one in the story was on fire and did not burn.

People don't raise from the dead either. Oh that's just a myth 2.
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12/30/2015 1:58:15 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

Well, you know, it's occurred to me lately that the strange camaraderie between the American left and Islam is because both are "roll your own" religions. Both are utopian - both aim to establish a heaven on earth. I could go on, but it's easy to find a lot of similarities if you can look past the radical differences in style.

So anyway, there's one answer: A homemade religion might look like modern liberalism.
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12/30/2015 2:47:23 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

All religions are man made so look at all of the examples now and in the past. We go from earth and sky spirits of primitives all the way to Xenu and the Thetans of Scientology, incidentally made up by a poor science fiction author. Take your pick.
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12/30/2015 6:33:52 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

I could make make myself high priestess of my own opinionated doctrines and impose those doctrines on everyone else and they will believe or burn for eternity, but I wouldn't. It makes life too complicated and causes too many problems between people. I personally wish that all religion would vanish, but alas, people want religion. It gives them value in a morbid way. It's really sad too... anyone can have value even in the absence of praise and damnation. Maybe it's necessary, but it isn't for me, so obviously it isn't necessary for everyone. We are all different I suppose. My thoughts... religion is a failed attempt to make logical sense of our lack of importance in a world where there a millions of others just like us.
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1/3/2016 5:38:50 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 12:46:24 AM, Outplayz wrote:
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

One in which the observer is its own higher power; that's a likely truth anyways.

"I AM" the MOST HIGH, "I AM" LIFES CENTRE

Of all the stars in heaven and the space that lies between
Its centre is the planet of my birth
Earth"s horizon stretches outward at equal distance from my throne
So I hold the central point upon this earth
As light and sound need time to carry all their messages to me
My senses tell me all has run its race
And every thing that happens has happened in my past
So I hold the highest point in time and space
A primitive concept some might say and a view that leads to sin
But perhaps we all were made this way to discover God within.
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1/3/2016 6:18:35 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
just one where I could bilk the gullible out of millions.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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1/3/2016 6:51:14 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/3/2016 6:18:35 AM, bulproof wrote:
just one where I could bilk the gullible out of millions.

I nominate myself as your first disciple.
The tongue, the sharp two edged sword that divides the spirit from the soul.
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1/5/2016 12:35:05 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 6:01:26 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
If you could create a religion, what would it be like?

A religion sans vanity and control
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