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janesix
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12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.
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12/28/2015 11:29:40 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Are you referring to the fact that God is all that exists and in all that exists; and that all that exists, which began to expand outward with the event that we call the Big Bang, has already began the process of condensing back to its beginning in Space-Time in the event that we call the Big Crunch, where all that exists is crushed into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot and infinitesimally small singularity of origin, from which a new universe will be born after the next Big Bang?

For God is calling all creation back to himself and the heavens and earth shall disappear, but he will create for us a new heavens and a new earth.
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12/28/2015 11:36:33 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 11:29:40 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Are you referring to the fact that God is all that exists and in all that exists; and that all that exists, which began to expand outward with the event that we call the Big Bang, has already began the process of condensing back to its beginning in Space-Time in the event that we call the Big Crunch, where all that exists is crushed into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot and infinitesimally small singularity of origin, from which a new universe will be born after the next Big Bang?:
I suspect it is more like a torus universe, eternally creating and destroying matter.

For God is calling all creation back to himself and the heavens and earth shall disappear, but he will create for us a new heavens and a new earth.
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12/29/2015 12:31:35 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 11:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/28/2015 11:29:40 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Are you referring to the fact that God is all that exists and in all that exists; and that all that exists, which began to expand outward with the event that we call the Big Bang, has already began the process of condensing back to its beginning in Space-Time in the event that we call the Big Crunch, where all that exists is crushed into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot and infinitesimally small singularity of origin, from which a new universe will be born after the next Big Bang?:
I suspect it is more like a torus universe, eternally creating and destroying matter.

For God is calling all creation back to himself and the heavens and earth shall disappear, but he will create for us a new heavens and a new earth.

The Hindus" conceive of a universe that eternally oscillates between a state of visibility and a state of invisibility, or rather, periods when there are no observers to the singularity that shines in the darkness and periods of activity in which observers see the cosmic cloud of vibrating and shimmering wave particles that is the mind that is God, as the visible universe.

The nights and days of Brahma are called Manvantara or the cycle of manifestation, "The Great Day" that is a period of universal activity, which is preceded, and also followed by "Pralaya," a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity.

Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence." ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

This view of an eternal oscillating universe is not only held by the Hindu and many from the scientific community, but it is also held by many, many Christians who see the six days of creation as six periods of universal activity and that those universal bodies were the generations of the universe as spoken of in Genesis 2: 4; in the evolutionary process that led to the universal body in which a mind capable of comprehending mind, had evolved.

Here we see a series of universes following one upon the other, each new world rising from the ashes of its predecessor, where each new universal body first brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbeded in it from the former, before itself evolves a little further, only to collapse into the great Abyss (Black Hole) where it is crushed back into the singularity from which it originated.
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12/29/2015 12:39:20 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 12:31:35 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/28/2015 11:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/28/2015 11:29:40 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Are you referring to the fact that God is all that exists and in all that exists; and that all that exists, which began to expand outward with the event that we call the Big Bang, has already began the process of condensing back to its beginning in Space-Time in the event that we call the Big Crunch, where all that exists is crushed into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot and infinitesimally small singularity of origin, from which a new universe will be born after the next Big Bang?:
I suspect it is more like a torus universe, eternally creating and destroying matter.

For God is calling all creation back to himself and the heavens and earth shall disappear, but he will create for us a new heavens and a new earth.

The Hindus" conceive of a universe that eternally oscillates between a state of visibility and a state of invisibility, or rather, periods when there are no observers to the singularity that shines in the darkness and periods of activity in which observers see the cosmic cloud of vibrating and shimmering wave particles that is the mind that is God, as the visible universe.

The nights and days of Brahma are called Manvantara or the cycle of manifestation, "The Great Day" that is a period of universal activity, which is preceded, and also followed by "Pralaya," a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity.

Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence." ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

This view of an eternal oscillating universe is not only held by the Hindu and many from the scientific community, but it is also held by many, many Christians who see the six days of creation as six periods of universal activity and that those universal bodies were the generations of the universe as spoken of in Genesis 2: 4; in the evolutionary process that led to the universal body in which a mind capable of comprehending mind, had evolved.

Here we see a series of universes following one upon the other, each new world rising from the ashes of its predecessor, where each new universal body first brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbeded in it from the former, before itself evolves a little further, only to collapse into the great Abyss (Black Hole) where it is crushed back into the singularity from which it originated.
thank you. yes, it seems Eastern religions know more about what's really going on.
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12/29/2015 1:19:35 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 12:39:20 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/29/2015 12:31:35 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/28/2015 11:36:33 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/28/2015 11:29:40 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Are you referring to the fact that God is all that exists and in all that exists; and that all that exists, which began to expand outward with the event that we call the Big Bang, has already began the process of condensing back to its beginning in Space-Time in the event that we call the Big Crunch, where all that exists is crushed into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot and infinitesimally small singularity of origin, from which a new universe will be born after the next Big Bang?:
I suspect it is more like a torus universe, eternally creating and destroying matter.

For God is calling all creation back to himself and the heavens and earth shall disappear, but he will create for us a new heavens and a new earth.

The Hindus" conceive of a universe that eternally oscillates between a state of visibility and a state of invisibility, or rather, periods when there are no observers to the singularity that shines in the darkness and periods of activity in which observers see the cosmic cloud of vibrating and shimmering wave particles that is the mind that is God, as the visible universe.

The nights and days of Brahma are called Manvantara or the cycle of manifestation, "The Great Day" that is a period of universal activity, which is preceded, and also followed by "Pralaya," a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity.

Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence." ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

This view of an eternal oscillating universe is not only held by the Hindu and many from the scientific community, but it is also held by many, many Christians who see the six days of creation as six periods of universal activity and that those universal bodies were the generations of the universe as spoken of in Genesis 2: 4; in the evolutionary process that led to the universal body in which a mind capable of comprehending mind, had evolved.

Here we see a series of universes following one upon the other, each new world rising from the ashes of its predecessor, where each new universal body first brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbeded in it from the former, before itself evolves a little further, only to collapse into the great Abyss (Black Hole) where it is crushed back into the singularity from which it originated.
thank you. yes, it seems Eastern religions know more about what's really going on.

Not really, you will find the same beliefs within the Bible, although they have been hidden from the idol worshipping Roman church who is the mother of the so called christian churches.

Brahman is the name of the evolving singularity, who is the essential divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates and to which all must return. Vishnu and Shiva make up the triad that is the God of the Hindus.

Vishnu is the saviour, while Shiva, who is also represented as a serpent, is the destroyer, who destroys the old in order to make way for the new. At the close of each universal period of activity, the collective mind of the "MOST HIGH" in the physical realm, enters into the invisible singularity (Brahman) as the supreme personality of Godhead.

Krishna=Christ, who is the eighth manifestation of Vishnu, is the one who will enter into the throne of Godhead at the close of this period of universal activity.
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12/29/2015 3:41:07 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Citations please
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12/29/2015 4:16:59 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 3:41:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Citations please

As an Atheist, do you believe that all that exists was once contained in an infinitesimally small singularity that was spatially separated with the event known as "The Big Bang?"
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12/29/2015 4:59:25 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 4:16:59 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/29/2015 3:41:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Citations please

As an Atheist, do you believe that all that exists was once contained in an infinitesimally small singularity that was spatially separated with the event known as "The Big Bang?"

I don't know enough about that to form a belief. I think there is some growing dissent against the Big Bang in the scientific community at the moment.

I assume you're a pantheist, and now I know where you got your theory. It's an interesting theory. Perhaps you can expand on it, so you can create a productive thread. I'm sure the conversation will be interesting
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12/29/2015 11:47:37 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 4:59:25 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/29/2015 4:16:59 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/29/2015 3:41:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Citations please

As an Atheist, do you believe that all that exists was once contained in an infinitesimally small singularity that was spatially separated with the event known as "The Big Bang?"

I don't know enough about that to form a belief. I think there is some growing dissent against the Big Bang in the scientific community at the moment.

I assume you're a pantheist, and now I know where you got your theory. It's an interesting theory. Perhaps you can expand on it, so you can create a productive thread. I'm sure the conversation will be interesting

As you admit that you don't know enough about the theory of an eternal oscillating universe, i have googled the following for you.

Another universe may have preceded ours, study finds. May 14th, 2006. Courtesy Penn State University and World Science staff.

Three physicists say they have done calculations suggesting that before the birth of our universe, which is expanding, there was an earlier universe that was shrinking.

The results stem from a theory that claims the fabric of space and time is made up of minuscule, indivisible bits, much as matter is.

Scientists believe our cosmos began in a sort of explosion called the Big Bang, when everything that exists---which had previously been packed into one infinitely dense point---burst outward.

The universe is still expanding according to this view, because it was born expanding.

According to some proposals, the Big Bang is a repeating cycle. Universes might expand, then shrink back to a point, then expand again. Thus the "Bang" would be really more like a bounce.

The idea is appealing in some ways, but scientists have found it far from easy to test. Einstein"s Theory of Relativity, a key basis for the Big Bang theory, is silent on what happened before that event.

"General relativity can be used to describe the universe back to a point at which matter becomes so dense that it"s equations don"t hold up," said Abhay Ashtekar, director of the Gravitational Physics and Geometry at Penn State University in University Park, Penn.

To go further, physicists must use tools Einstein didn"t have, he added. Ashtekar and two post-doctoral researchers developed such tools through a combination of Quantum physics- the science of subatomic particles"and general relativity, which describes the large-scale structure of space and time.

They found that before the Big Bang, there was a contracting universe. Other than the fact it was shrinking, they added, it was similar to ours in terms of the geometry of its space and time, or spacetime, as cosmologists call it since Einstein found the two are interwoven.

"In place of a classical Big Bang there is in fact a quantum bounce," said Ashtekar. "We were so surprised by the finding," he added, that the team repeated the calculations for months to include different possible values of some numbers representing the current universe. But the results kept pointing to a bounce.

The findings appear in the current issue of the research journal Physical Review Letters.

While the general idea of another, pre-Big Bang universe isn"t new, Ashtekar said, this is the first mathematical study that systematically establishes its existence and deduces properties of its spacetime geometry.

The notion that spacetime has a geometry involves the idea that it can be curved or flat. A "flat" spacetime is one in which geometry works as we normally expect; for example, parallel lines never meet. But Einstein found that material objects deform this flatness, introducing curvature.

To arrive at their pre-existing universe finding, Ashtekar"s group used loop quantum gravity, a theory that seeks to reconcile General relativity with quantum physics. These two seemingly fundamental theories are otherwise contradictory in some ways.

Loop quantum gravity, which was pioneered at Ashtekar"s institute, proposes that spacetime has a discrete "atomic" structure, as opposed to being a continuous sheet, as Einstein, along with most us, assumed.

In loop quantum gravity, space is thought of as woven from one-dimensional "threads." The continuum picture remains mostly valid as an approximation. But near the Big Bang, this fabric is violently torn so that it"s discrete, or quantum, nature becomes important. One outcome of this is that gravity becomes repulsive instead of attractive, Ashetkar argued; the result is the Big Bounce.

Paul Steinhardt of Princeton University, a cosmologist who has explored some related concepts, wrote in an email that the new research "Supports, in a general way, the idea that the Big Bang need not be the beginning of space and time."

The universe "may have undergone one or more bangs in its past history," he added.

Steinhardt and colleagues have also proposed a bounce of sorts, but it"s different. It could turn out that the two scenarios are equivalent at some deep level, but that"s not known, he added. Steinhardt"s scenario makes use of string theory, another attempt to reconcile General Relativity with quantum physics.

Some versions of string theory portray our visible universe as a three -dimensional space embedded in an invisible space having more dimensions. Our zone, called a braneworld-the word comes from its similarity to a sort of membrane-could periodically bounce into another, parallel braneworld.

Such an event might look to us, stuck in a few dimensions as we are, as a Big Bang. "I don"t know if Ashetkar"s case translates into a bounce between braneworlds like we are describing," Steinhardt wrote. But by his estimate, this cataclysm won"t take place for another roughly 300 billion years"so there is hopefully plenty of time to answer the question.


These big Crunch theories that are just beginning to emerge, are still in their infancy. I would rather a theory which states that there are many galactic clusters out there within the eternal and boundless cosmos, each cluster in its own position in Space-time, consisting of billions of Galaxies falling inward toward a Great Abyss, Black Hole, or Bottomless Pit, where, once torn to pieces molecule by molecule, atom by atom, sub-atomic particle by sub-atomic particle, and reconverted into the electromagnetic energy from which they were created, are then accelerated along the dark worm hole to speeds far, far in excess of the speed of light, where that liquid like Magnetic energy is spewed out in the trillions of degrees, somewhere far beyond the visible horizon of the boundless cosmos, where, from the cooling quantum of that electromagnetic energy a new universe is created, to which the light from its old position in space-time, would take billions upon billions of years to reach it.
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12/29/2015 11:52:59 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
I'm actually aware of everything you just wrote, good to have a refresher though. I was actually referring to the new theories that a Big Bang never occurred. The oscillating universe theory has been around a while. I was taught it in highschool science class, which was over two decades ago
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12/29/2015 12:37:13 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 11:29:40 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Are you referring to the fact that God is all that exists and in all that exists; and that all that exists, which began to expand outward with the event that we call the Big Bang, has already began the process of condensing back to its beginning in Space-Time in the event that we call the Big Crunch, where all that exists is crushed into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot and infinitesimally small singularity of origin, from which a new universe will be born after the next Big Bang?

For God is calling all creation back to himself and the heavens and earth shall disappear, but he will create for us a new heavens and a new earth.

What silly nonsense!
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12/29/2015 8:38:41 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 3:41:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Citations please
From common mythology
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12/29/2015 8:51:01 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 8:38:41 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/29/2015 3:41:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Citations please
From common mythology

Which mythology, specifically.
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12/29/2015 8:56:29 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 8:51:01 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/29/2015 8:38:41 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/29/2015 3:41:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Citations please
From common mythology

Which mythology, specifically.

Osiris, Persephone, innana, jesus, buddha
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12/29/2015 9:04:26 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 12:37:13 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 12/28/2015 11:29:40 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Are you referring to the fact that God is all that exists and in all that exists; and that all that exists, which began to expand outward with the event that we call the Big Bang, has already began the process of condensing back to its beginning in Space-Time in the event that we call the Big Crunch, where all that exists is crushed into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot and infinitesimally small singularity of origin, from which a new universe will be born after the next Big Bang?

For God is calling all creation back to himself and the heavens and earth shall disappear, but he will create for us a new heavens and a new earth.

What silly nonsense!

To the ignorant ones, all that is beyond their ability to comprehend, is nonsense.
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12/29/2015 9:06:54 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 8:56:29 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/29/2015 8:51:01 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/29/2015 8:38:41 PM, janesix wrote:
At 12/29/2015 3:41:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/28/2015 10:08:56 PM, janesix wrote:
The hero's journey is God descending into matter, and the road back to oneness. We are all pieces of God, who have forgotten who we are.

Citations please
From common mythology

Which mythology, specifically.

Osiris, Persephone, innana, jesus, buddha

Nope, none of them said that God disbanded himself and is coming back together