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shalal12
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12/29/2015 8:06:47 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
1. Enemies of Islam, spread rumors and make TV channels to cause discord between Shia and Sunni. Majority of Sunni Muslims have been deceived by rumors: Incomplete Quran, Karbala as Qiblah, Taqiyya as lie and....
Results:

-Iraq inner wars
-Conflict between Iranian Muslims and Saudi Muslims
-Thousands of Muslims are killed and millions are likely to be killed in wars. (Immense or probabilistic wars: Iran-Saudi war , Shia-Sunni war inside Iraq , Turkey-Iraq war and...)
-Minorities are suffering in different countries.
-Thousands of Syrians, Shia and Sunni, have been killed by radicals from both sides.
and... and... and...
-Ummah becomes vulnerable against enemies.(Muslims are being killed in Myanmar ,Palestine and Nigeria. Immense or probabilistic wars: Hizbullah-Israel war, Hamas Israel war and...)

2. Al-Azhar's anti-Shia activities.
Al-Azhar's anti-Shia essay competition: The spread of Shia Islam in Sunni society, its causes, dangers and how to combat it
Results:
- Shia Muslims lose their trust to Sunnis and regard them as the allies of enemies!
-Iraqi scholars show their objection by providing free Shia books to Sunnis!
-Iranian cleric calls out Egypt's Al-Azhar for anti-Shiite activities!
-Sunni minorities in Shia countries face problems.

3. The practice of Takfir in Sunni nations by some Sunni sects and the silence of other Sunni sects against them.
Results:
-Innocent Muslims heads on their chests!!!
-Fitna and Nifaq spread in Ummah
-Islam phobia in Western countires
and... and... and...
Yassine
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12/29/2015 10:53:30 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 8:06:47 PM, shalal12 wrote:
1. Enemies of Islam, spread rumors and make TV channels to cause discord between Shia and Sunni. Majority of Sunni Muslims have been deceived by rumors: Incomplete Quran, Karbala as Qiblah, Taqiyya as lie and....

- These rumours are enforced by well funded preachers from both sides, which is an even worse problem.

Results:

-Iraq inner wars
-Conflict between Iranian Muslims and Saudi Muslims
-Thousands of Muslims are killed and millions are likely to be killed in wars. (Immense or probabilistic wars: Iran-Saudi war , Shia-Sunni war inside Iraq , Turkey-Iraq war and...)
-Minorities are suffering in different countries.
-Thousands of Syrians, Shia and Sunni, have been killed by radicals from both sides.
and... and... and...
-Ummah becomes vulnerable against enemies.(Muslims are being killed in Myanmar ,Palestine and Nigeria. Immense or probabilistic wars: Hizbullah-Israel war, Hamas Israel war and...)

- You're probably being a little too dramatic about this, but it's not unforeseeable.

2. Al-Azhar's anti-Shia activities.
Al-Azhar's anti-Shia essay competition: The spread of Shia Islam in Sunni society, its causes, dangers and how to combat it

- Not just al-Azhar, every institution & government from Jordan to Morocco combats the spread of Shi'ism in their nations. The don't want a second Iraq in their midst. Iranians didn't respect the pact they made with the Scholars' Council & started building Huseiniat in Jordan & Egypt! That just creates Fitna.

Results:
- Shia Muslims lose their trust to Sunnis and regard them as the allies of enemies!

- No they don't. It's prohibited in the Four Madhahb to preach a sect to other peoples. You won't like it if we started building Mahdarat in your country either, will ya!

-Iraqi scholars show their objection by providing free Shia books to Sunnis!

- That just adds fuel to fire.

-Iranian cleric calls out Egypt's Al-Azhar for anti-Shiite activities!

- It's the Iranians that started it. When Sunnis agreed to open their door to Shi'a, they came & started building their Huseiniat, just like when Christians come & build their churches in vulnerable Muslim areas to attract the destitute;

-Sunni minorities in Shia countries face problems.

- Reconciliations & mutual respect of boundaries should be the goal, not proselytism.

3. The practice of Takfir in Sunni nations by some Sunni sects

- Some Shi'a sects (Akhbaris) do the same too.

and the silence of other Sunni sects against them.

- No one is being silent. Open your ears.

Results:
-Innocent Muslims heads on their chests!!!
-Fitna and Nifaq spread in Ummah
-Islam phobia in Western countires
and... and... and...

- That's just war mentality. When in peaceful times, none of that matters or occurs. War is an occasional state of affairs, not meant to be perpetual. Eventually the hostile parties are going to dissipate, & we can go back to being ordinary again.
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TBR
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12/29/2015 11:04:03 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
- That's just war mentality. When in peaceful times, none of that matters or occurs. War is an occasional state of affairs, not meant to be perpetual. Eventually the hostile parties are going to dissipate, & we can go back to being ordinary again.

Well, that is about the saddest thing I have read today. Back to "ordinary" till the next time. Just which one is the "ordinary" then?
Yassine
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12/29/2015 11:09:48 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 11:04:03 PM, TBR wrote:
- That's just war mentality. When in peaceful times, none of that matters or occurs. War is an occasional state of affairs, not meant to be perpetual. Eventually the hostile parties are going to dissipate, & we can go back to being ordinary again.

Well, that is about the saddest thing I have read today.

- It is indeed a sad part of the human condition.

Back to "ordinary" till the next time.

- There is no such thing as perpetual peace!

Just which one is the "ordinary" then?

- Well, if war times in a region are more frequent than peace times, then war in that region would be the more ordinary state of affairs. In this case, the opposite is true.
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shalal12
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12/30/2015 10:55:51 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/29/2015 10:53:30 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 12/29/2015 8:06:47 PM, shalal12 wrote:
1. Enemies of Islam, spread rumors and make TV channels to cause discord between Shia and Sunni. Majority of Sunni Muslims have been deceived by rumors: Incomplete Quran, Karbala as Qiblah, Taqiyya as lie and....

- These rumours are enforced by well funded preachers from both sides, which is an even worse problem.
So0 serious problem. USA banns our channels however there is a Shia channel still working and supported by USA. Those Munafiqs call themselves Shia and curse Aisha and Sahaba. They call Allah one time and Imams ten times. Sunni channels abuse those movies and records and spread rumors.=>Fadak as a Shia and Wisal al Haqq as a Sunni channel. Both founded with Westerns!! I just wonder how a secolar governments cares about Tashayyo and Sunnah!!
And I'm well aware that you know many other cases.

Results:

-Iraq inner wars
-Conflict between Iranian Muslims and Saudi Muslims
-Thousands of Muslims are killed and millions are likely to be killed in wars. (Immense or probabilistic wars: Iran-Saudi war , Shia-Sunni war inside Iraq , Turkey-Iraq war and...)
-Minorities are suffering in different countries.
-Thousands of Syrians, Shia and Sunni, have been killed by radicals from both sides.
and... and... and...
-Ummah becomes vulnerable against enemies.(Muslims are being killed in Myanmar ,Palestine and Nigeria. Immense or probabilistic wars: Hizbullah-Israel war, Hamas Israel war and...)

- You're probably being a little too dramatic about this, but it's not unforeseeable.
I 'm not sure what you are trying say.

2. Al-Azhar's anti-Shia activities.
Al-Azhar's anti-Shia essay competition: The spread of Shia Islam in Sunni society, its causes, dangers and how to combat it

- Not just al-Azhar, every institution & government from Jordan to Morocco combats the spread of Shi'ism in their nations.
Using the word combat is not really a suitable word.
So you think it's the solution?!! Let's imagine they need to combat Shi'ism, is it really the correct way?!!!
They do provoke Shia and their achievement in such idiotic essay competitions in compare to their losses, is nothing. Just watch what's going on between our scholars.

The don't want a second Iraq in their midst. Iranians didn't respect the pact they made with the Scholars' Council & started building Huseiniat in Jordan & Egypt! That just creates Fitna.
Husainiyya is not Fitnah!! We are all Muslims, I suppose you understand!
Husainiyya is required for Shias you cant prohibited it. If you prohibited building such places they will use mosques for Azadary and they will ban streets during Muharram.

Results:
- Shia Muslims lose their trust to Sunnis and regard them as the allies of enemies!

- No they don't. It's prohibited in the Four Madhahb to preach a sect to other peoples. You won't like it if we started building Mahdarat in your country either, will ya!
They do!
They do because I'm Shia.
They do because I live in Shia society. Husainiyya has nothing to do with preaching and I doubt it's because of building Husainiyya!!!

-Iraqi scholars show their objection by providing free Shia books to Sunnis!

- That just adds fuel to fire.
Yeah it does.
A foolish fire made by al-Azhar=essay competition!!! Such announcements ruin Wahdat and spread Nifaq.

-Iranian cleric calls out Egypt's Al-Azhar for anti-Shiite activities!

- It's the Iranians that started it. When Sunnis agreed to open their door to Shi'a, they came & started building their Huseiniat, just like when Christians come & build their churches in vulnerable Muslim areas to attract the destitute;
We are all Muslims, we need Wahdat in such a harsh situation.

-Sunni minorities in Shia countries face problems.

- Reconciliations & mutual respect of boundaries should be the goal, not proselytism.
Achieve the goal then. I doubt we can achieve it as it goes on likes this!

3. The practice of Takfir in Sunni nations by some Sunni sects

- Some Shi'a sects (Akhbaris) do the same too.
I'm not talking using old books. Where are Akhbari Shias now? Iranians? Iraqis? What's their recent activities?!
Takfir should be stopped. MUST be stopped. We need to deal with it. It's like a wood in the fire, this fire burns innocent Muslims.

and the silence of other Sunni sects against them.

- No one is being silent. Open your ears.
My ears are open. I see as well. Fighting with Tashayyo is the first priority rather than working on Wahdat.

Results:
-Innocent Muslims heads on their chests!!!
-Fitna and Nifaq spread in Ummah
-Islam phobia in Western countires
and... and... and...

- That's just war mentality. When in peaceful times, none of that matters or occurs. War is an occasional state of affairs, not meant to be perpetual. Eventually the hostile parties are going to dissipate, & we can go back to being ordinary again.
We have problem in peace periods. The main problem is in peace periods. Hatred and Nifaq have been gathered during peace and revealed during wars.

Listen brother, I'm not sure if you know what's going on in here, in the Middle East. Fitnah is serious here and Wahdat MUST be the goal. Comppare the Fatawa:

Ayatollah Khamenei:
You must care about Wahdat. Any insult to Ahl al-Sunnah is Haram. Any saying or work which damages Wahdat is Haram.

Ayatollah Sistani:
Dont say "Sunnis". Say "Our brother, Sunnis".

Ayatollah x.(I dont mention his name):
Shia MUST reveal facts no matter what the price is. and... so many other saying which ruin Wahdat.

Dominant Shia scholars ARE working on Wahdat. What al-Azhar is doing is just like what Ayatollah x. is doing.
There is so much hatred here. So much. People are screaming in Masajid, down with Takfiris, revenge, free Baqi, free Macca and...
Here, the people of one city may attack the people of another city(It has happened), Sunni cities are vulnerable. They even attack embassies when a country annoys Shias.
Scholars who are working on Wahdat, always say that Sunnis are different form Wahhabies and they are our allies. On the other hand, the news papers cover what al-Azhar is doing and make sure the Wahdat which has been built during a year is just ruined in less than a day.