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12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?

HAVE you ever noticed the way children ask questions? Many start asking as soon as they learn to speak. With wide, eager eyes, they look up at you and ask such things as: Why is the sky blue? What are the stars made of? Who taught the birds to sing? You may try hard to answer, but it is not always easy. Even your best answer may lead to yet another question: Why?

2 Children are not the only ones who ask questions. As we grow up, we keep asking. We do this in order to find our way, to learn of dangers that we need to avoid, or to satisfy our curiosity. But many people seem to stop asking questions, especially the most important ones. At least, they stop searching for the answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

3 Think about the question on the cover of this book, the questions raised in the preface, or those at the beginning of this chapter. These are some of the most important questions you can ask. Yet, many people have given up trying to find the answers. Why? Does the Bible have the answers? Some feel that its answers are too hard to understand. Others worry that asking questions could lead to shame or embarrassment. And some decide that such questions are best left to religious leaders and teachers. What about you?

4, 5. What are some of the most important questions we can ask in life, and why should we seek the answers?

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder: "What is the purpose of life? Is this life all there is? What is God really like?" It is good to ask such questions, and it is important that you do not give up until you find satisfying, reliable answers. The famous teacher Jesus Christ said: "Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you.""Matthew 7:7.

5 If you "keep on seeking" for answers to the important questions, you will find that the search can be very rewarding. (Proverbs 2:1-5) Despite what other people may have told you, there are answers, and you can find them"in the Bible. The answers are not too hard to understand. Better yet, they bring hope and joy. And they can help you to live a satisfying life right now. To begin, let us consider a question that has troubled many people.

IS GOD UNCARING AND HARDHEARTED?

6. Why do many people think that God is uncaring when it comes to human suffering?

6 Many people think that the answer to that question is yes. "If God cared," they reason, "would not the world be a very different place?" We look around and see a world full of war, hatred, and misery. And as individuals, we get sick, we suffer, we lose loved ones in death. Thus, many say, "If God cared about us and our problems, would he not prevent such things from happening?"

7. (a) How have religious teachers led many to think that God is hardhearted? (b) What does the Bible really teach about the trials we may suffer?

7 Worse yet, religious teachers sometimes lead people to think that God is hardhearted. How so? When tragedy strikes, they say that it is God"s will. In effect, such teachers blame God for the bad things that happen. Is that the truth about God? What does the Bible really teach? James 1:13 answers: "When under trial, let no one say: "I am being tried by God." For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone." So God is never the source of the wickedness you see in the world around you. (Read Job 34:10-12.) Granted, he does allow bad things to happen. But there is a big difference between allowing something to happen and causing it.

8, 9. (a) How might you illustrate the difference between allowing wickedness to exist and causing it? (b) Why would it be unfair for us to find fault with God"s decision to allow mankind to pursue a wayward course?

8 For example, think about a wise and loving father with a grown son who is still living at home with his parents. When the son becomes rebellious and decides to leave home, his father does not stop him. The son pursues a bad way of life and gets into trouble. Is the father the cause of his son"s problems? No. (Luke 15:11-13) Similarly, God has not stopped humans when they have chosen to pursue a bad course, but he is not the cause of the problems that have resulted. Surely, then, it would be unfair to blame God for all the troubles of mankind.

9 God has good reasons for allowing mankind to follow a bad course. As our wise and powerful Creator, he does not have to explain his reasons to us. Out of love, however, God does this. You will learn more about these reasons in Chapter 11. But rest assured that God is not responsible for the problems we face. On the contrary, he gives us the only hope for a solution!"Isaiah 33:2.

10. Why can we trust that God will undo all the effects of wickedness?

10 Furthermore, God is holy. (Isaiah 6:3) This means that he is pure and clean. There is no trace of badness in him. So we can trust him completely. That is more than we can say for humans, who sometimes become corrupt. Even the most honest human in authority often does not have the power to undo the damage that bad people do. But God is all-powerful. He can and will undo all the effects that wickedness has had on mankind. When God acts, he will do so in a way that will end evil forever!"Read Psalm 37:9-11.

HOW DOES GOD FEEL ABOUT INJUSTICES WE FACE?

11. (a) How does God feel about injustice? (b) How does God feel about your suffering?

11 In the meantime, how does God feel about what is going on in the world and in your life? Well, the Bible teaches that God "loves justice." (Psalm 37:28) So he cares deeply about what is right and what is wrong. He hates all kinds of injustice. The Bible says that God"s "heart was saddened" when badness filled the world in times past. (Genesis 6:5, 6) God has not changed. (Malachi 3:6) He still hates to see the suffering that is taking place worldwide. And God hates to see people suffer. "He cares for you," the Bible says."Read 1 Peter 5:7.

God"s creations: mountains, lake, fish, birds, and trees
The Bible teaches that Jehovah is the loving Creator of the universe

12, 13. (a) Why do we have good qualities such as love, and how does love affect our view of the world? (b) Why can you be sure that God will really do something about world problems?

12 How can we be sure that God hates to see suffering? Here is further proof. The Bible teaches that man was made in the image of God. (Genesis 1:26) We thus have good qualities because God has good qualities. For example, does it bother you to see innocent people suffer? If you care about such injustices, be assured that God feels even more strongly about them.

13 One of the best things about humans is our ability to love. That also reflects God. The Bible teaches that "God is love." (1 John 4:8) We love because God loves. Would love move you to end the suffering and the injustice you see in the world? If you had the power to do that, would you do it? Of course you would! You can be just as sure that God will end suffering and injustice. The promises mentioned in the preface of this book are not mere dreams or idle hopes. God"s promises are sure to come true! In order to put faith in such promises, though, you need to know more about the God who has made them.

https://www.jw.org...
(Matthew 24:14:) And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

The Kingdom message is reaching all corners of the globe. In 2010 alone, Jehovah"s Witnesses spent over 1.6 billion hours proclaiming this good news in 236 lands. Over the past decade, they have produced and distributed more than 20 billion items of literature.

https://www.jw.org...
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12/31/2015 2:37:36 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
None of them exist, gods are created by man. Live with it.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/31/2015 3:45:34 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Even if any deity does exists somewhere, I am of the opinion that all those worshipped by humans are created by them.
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12/31/2015 6:24:47 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?

HAVE you ever noticed the way children ask questions? Many start asking as soon as they learn to speak. With wide, eager eyes, they look up at you and ask such things as: Why is the sky blue? What are the stars made of? Who taught the birds to sing? You may try hard to answer, but it is not always easy. Even your best answer may lead to yet another question: Why?

2 Children are not the only ones who ask questions. As we grow up, we keep asking. We do this in order to find our way, to learn of dangers that we need to avoid, or to satisfy our curiosity. But many people seem to stop asking questions, especially the most important ones. At least, they stop searching for the answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

3 Think about the question on the cover of this book, the questions raised in the preface, or those at the beginning of this chapter. These are some of the most important questions you can ask. Yet, many people have given up trying to find the answers. Why? Does the Bible have the answers? Some feel that its answers are too hard to understand. Others worry that asking questions could lead to shame or embarrassment. And some decide that such questions are best left to religious leaders and teachers. What about you?

4, 5. What are some of the most important questions we can ask in life, and why should we seek the answers?

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder: "What is the purpose of life? Is this life all there is? What is God really like?" It is good to ask such questions, and it is important that you do not give up until you find satisfying, reliable answers. The famous teacher Jesus Christ said: "Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you.""Matthew 7:7.

5 If you "keep on seeking" for answers to the important questions, you will find that the search can be very rewarding. (Proverbs 2:1-5) Despite what other people may have told you, there are answers, and you can find them"in the Bible. The answers are not too hard to understand. Better yet, they bring hope and joy. And they can help you to live a satisfying life right now. To begin, let us consider a question that has troubled many people.

IS GOD UNCARING AND HARDHEARTED?

6. Why do many people think that God is uncaring when it comes to human suffering?

6 Many people think that the answer to that question is yes. "If God cared," they reason, "would not the world be a very different place?" We look around and see a world full of war, hatred, and misery. And as individuals, we get sick, we suffer, we lose loved ones in death. Thus, many say, "If God cared about us and our problems, would he not prevent such things from happening?"

7. (a) How have religious teachers led many to think that God is hardhearted? (b) What does the Bible really teach about the trials we may suffer?

7 Worse yet, religious teachers sometimes lead people to think that God is hardhearted. How so? When tragedy strikes, they say that it is God"s will. In effect, such teachers blame God for the bad things that happen. Is that the truth about God? What does the Bible really teach? James 1:13 answers: "When under trial, let no one say: "I am being tried by God." For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone." So God is never the source of the wickedness you see in the world around you. (Read Job 34:10-12.) Granted, he does allow bad things to happen. But there is a big difference between allowing something to happen and causing it.

8, 9. (a) How might you illustrate the difference between allowing wickedness to exist and causing it? (b) Why would it be unfair for us to find fault with God"s decision to allow mankind to pursue a wayward course?

8 For example, think about a wise and loving father with a grown son who is still living at home with his parents. When the son becomes rebellious and decides to leave home, his father does not stop him. The son pursues a bad way of life and gets into trouble. Is the father the cause of his son"s problems? No. (Luke 15:11-13) Similarly, God has not stopped humans when they have chosen to pursue a bad course, but he is not the cause of the problems that have resulted. Surely, then, it would be unfair to blame God for all the troubles of mankind.

9 God has good reasons for allowing mankind to follow a bad course. As our wise and powerful Creator, he does not have to explain his reasons to us. Out of love, however, God does this. You will learn more about these reasons in Chapter 11. But rest assured that God is not responsible for the problems we face. On the contrary, he gives us the only hope for a solution!"Isaiah 33:2.

10. Why can we trust that God will undo all the effects of wickedness?

10 Furthermore, God is holy. (Isaiah 6:3) This means that he is pure and clean. There is no trace of badness in him. So we can trust him completely. That is more than we can say for humans, who sometimes become corrupt. Even the most honest human in authority often does not have the power to undo the damage that bad people do. But God is all-powerful. He can and will undo all the effects that wickedness has had on mankind. When God acts, he will do so in a way that will end evil forever!"Read Psalm 37:9-11.

HOW DOES GOD FEEL ABOUT INJUSTICES WE FACE?

11. (a) How does God feel about injustice? (b) How does God feel about your suffering?

11 In the meantime, how does God feel about what is going on in the world and in your life? Well, the Bible teaches that God "loves justice." (Psalm 37:28) So he cares deeply about what is right and what is wrong. He hates all kinds of injustice. The Bible says that God"s "heart was saddened" when badness filled the world in times past. (Genesis 6:5, 6) God has not changed. (Malachi 3:6) He still hates to see the suffering that is taking place worldwide. And God hates to see people suffer. "He cares for you," the Bible says."Read 1 Peter 5:7.

God"s creations: mountains, lake, fish, birds, and trees
The Bible teaches that Jehovah is the loving Creator of the universe

12, 13. (a) Why do we have good qualities such as love, and how does love affect our view of the world? (b) Why can you be sure that God will really do something about world problems?


A copy and pasting from a JW site.
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12/31/2015 6:38:44 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/31/2015 6:24:47 PM, DPMartin wrote:

A copy and pasting from a JW site.
Yeah, it is almost like he put his source in the post.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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12/31/2015 11:46:56 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?
To get answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

Who says many stop trying? Have the JW's gathered a survey regarding people who stopped asking questions about things that matter the most to them? Where is the result of this survey? How many stop trying?
If no such survey has happened, the statement is based on pure speculation.

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder:
"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Is this life all there is?
No.
Your personal life is not all there is. There are many forms of life. There were many in the past and will also be many in the future.
There is the life which was in living things before we were born and there is the life which is to come through future generations which have not been born yet.

What is God really like?"

No different to Mother Nature or Father Time.
He/She/ It/ They are personification of natural forces, principles and concepts.

IS GOD UNCARING AND HARDHEARTED?

Many people think that the answer to that question is yes.

Worse yet, religious teachers sometimes lead people to think that God is hardhearted. How so? When tragedy strikes, they say that it is God"s will. In effect, such teachers blame God for the bad things that happen. Is that the truth about God? What does the Bible really teach? James 1:13 answers: "When under trial, let no one say: "I am being tried by God." For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone." So God is never the source of the wickedness you see in the world around you. (Read Job 34:10-12.) Granted, he does allow bad things to happen. But there is a big difference between allowing something to happen and causing it.

Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

It seems the JW's want to recieve good from the hand of God and not receive evil from the same hand or accept that evil is from the same source as good. They seem to speak as foolishly as Jobs wife.
ALL things come from God in the bible stories. ALL things include good and evil.

Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

To create something is to cause it to exist. The creator of something is the cause and source of its own creation.
The God of the bible admits to being the creator of darkness, evil and all other things. He does not blame someone else for creating darkness or evil.
Professing believers need to face that fact and accept the TRUTH which is obviously difficult for them to accept because it does not fit what they want to believe.

11. (a) How does God feel about injustice? (b) How does God feel about your suffering?

He feels the same about them as Mother Nature feels about them. Mythical characters are indifferent to real human feelings and experiences.

In the meantime, how does God feel about what is going on in the world and in your life? Well, the Bible teaches that God "loves justice." (Psalm 37:28) So he cares deeply about what is right and what is wrong. He hates all kinds of injustice. The Bible says that God"s "heart was saddened" when badness filled the world in times past. (Genesis 6:5, 6) God has not changed. (Malachi 3:6) He still hates to see the suffering that is taking place worldwide. And God hates to see people suffer. "He cares for you," the Bible says."Read 1 Peter 5:7.

Yet he sends suffering and causes people to suffer.
Ezek 5:16- 17 When I shall send upon them the evil arrows of famine, which shall be for their destruction, and which I will send to destroy you: and I will increase the famine upon you, and will break your staff of bread:So will I send upon you famine and evil beasts, and they shall bereave thee; and pestilence and blood shall pass through thee; and I will bring the sword upon thee. I the LORD have spoken it.

12, 13. (a) Why do we have good qualities such as love, and how does love affect our view of the world? (b) Why can you be sure that God will really do something about world problems?

The same as you can be sure that Mother Nature can and does renew what she destroys. She creates natural disasters like famines, droughts, earthquakes, etc and also eventually regenerates what she destroyed. It is a natural cycle of life. The old passes away and is constantly replaced with the new.
God and Mother Nature are the same force.

12 How can we be sure that God hates to see suffering? Here is further proof. The Bible teaches that man was made in the image of God. (Genesis 1:26) We thus have good qualities because God has good qualities. For example, does it bother you to see innocent people suffer? If you care about such injustices, be assured that God feels even more strongly about them.

We also have bad qualities because God (LIFE) has bad qualities. We have both because God (LIFE) has both.
We are a mixture of opposites because LIFE (God) is naturally a mixture of opposites.

13 One of the best things about humans is our ability to love. That also reflects God. The Bible teaches that "God is love." (1 John 4:8) We love because God loves. Would love move you to end the suffering and the injustice you see in the world? If you had the power to do that, would you do it? Of course you would! You can be just as sure that God will end suffering and injustice.

The only end to suffering and injustice is in the grave. Dead people don't fight or argue with anyone. They rest in perfect peace for ever.
Your day will come. The grim reaper will take you away on a day and hour which no one will ever be able to predict. Only Mother Nature ( God) knows what day that will be. It is a different day for every individual. That is why no one can predict "the end"
The end is always with us, as is the beginning. NOW is the end for many and also the beginning for many.
NOW is always the accepted time. NOW is the beginning and the end of time for all eternity.
2 Cor 6:2 For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
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1/1/2016 12:19:43 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/31/2015 11:46:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?
To get answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

Who says many stop trying? Have the JW's gathered a survey regarding people who stopped asking questions about things that matter the most to them? Where is the result of this survey? How many stop trying?
If no such survey has happened, the statement is based on pure speculation.

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder:
"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Says who, you? Where did you come up with that purpose?

Is this life all there is?
No.
Your personal life is not all there is. There are many forms of life. There were many in the past and will also be many in the future.
There is the life which was in living things before we were born and there is the life which is to come through future generations which have not been born yet.


What is God really like?"

No different to Mother Nature or Father Time.
He/She/ It/ They are personification of natural forces, principles and concepts.


IS GOD UNCARING AND HARDHEARTED?

Many people think that the answer to that question is yes.

Worse yet, religious teachers sometimes lead people to think that God is hardhearted. How so? When tragedy strikes, they say that it is God"s will. In effect, such teachers blame God for the bad things that happen. Is that the truth about God? What does the Bible really teach? James 1:13 answers: "When under trial, let no one say: "I am being tried by God." For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone." So God is never the source of the wickedness you see in the world around you. (Read Job 34:10-12.) Granted, he does allow bad things to happen. But there is a big difference between allowing something to happen and causing it.

Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

It seems the JW's want to recieve good from the hand of God and not receive evil from the same hand or accept that evil is from the same source as good. They seem to speak as foolishly as Jobs wife.
ALL things come from God in the bible stories. ALL things include good and evil.

Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

To create something is to cause it to exist. The creator of something is the cause and source of its own creation.
The God of the bible admits to being the creator of darkness, evil and all other things. He does not blame someone else for creating darkness or evil.
Professing believers need to face that fact and accept the TRUTH which is obviously difficult for them to accept because it does not fit what they want to believe.


11. (a) How does God feel about injustice? (b) How does God feel about your suffering?

He feels the same about them as Mother Nature feels about them. Mythical characters are indifferent to real human feelings and experiences.

In the meantime, how does God feel about what is going on in the world and in your life? Well, the Bible teaches that God "loves justice." (Psalm 37:28) So he cares deeply about what is right and what is wrong. He hates all kinds of injustice. The Bible says that God"s "heart was saddened" when badness filled the world in times past. (Genesis 6:5, 6) God has not changed. (Malachi 3:6) He still hates to see the suffering that is taking place worldwide. And God hates to see people suffer. "He cares for you," the Bible says."Read 1 Peter 5:7.

Yet he sends suffering and causes people to suffer.
Ezek 5:16- 17 When I shall send upon them the evil arrows of famine, which shall be for their destruction, and which I will send to destroy you: and I will increase the famine upon you, and will break your staff of bread:So will I send upon you famine and evil beasts, and they shall bereave thee; and pestilence and blood shall pass through thee; and I will bring the sword upon thee. I the LORD have spoken it.

12, 13. (a) Why do we have good qualities such as love, and how does love affect our view of the world? (b) Why can you be sure that God will really do something about world problems?


The same as you can be sure that Mother Nature can and does renew what she destroys. She creates natural disasters like famines, droughts, earthquakes, etc and also eventually regenerates what she destroyed. It is a natural cycle of life. The old passes away and is constantly replaced with the new.
God and Mother Nature are the same force.


12 How can we be sure that God hates to see suffering? Here is further proof. The Bible teaches that man was made in the image of God. (Genesis 1:26) We thus have good qualities because God has good qualities. For example, does it bother you to see innocent people suffer? If you care about such injustices, be assured that God feels even more strongly about them.

We also have bad qualities because God (LIFE) has bad qualities. We have both because God (LIFE) has both.
We are a mixture of opposites because LIFE (God) is naturally a mixture of opposites.


13 One of the best things about humans is our ability to love. That also reflects God. The Bible teaches that "God is love." (1 John 4:8) We love because God loves. Would love move you to end the suffering and the injustice you see in the world? If you had the power to do that, would you do it? Of course you would! You can be just as sure that God will end suffering and injustice.

The only end to suffering and injustice is in the grave. Dead people don't fight or argue with anyone. They rest in perfect peace for ever.
Your day will come. The grim reaper will take you away on a day and hour which no one will ever be able to predict. Only Mother Nature ( God) knows what day that will be. It is a different day for every individual. That is why no one can predict "the end"
The end is always with us, as is the beginning. NOW is the end for many and also the beginning for many.
NOW is always the accepted time. NOW is the beginning and the end of time for all eternity.
2 Cor 6:2 For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
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1/1/2016 12:40:37 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 12:19:43 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/31/2015 11:46:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?
To get answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

Who says many stop trying? Have the JW's gathered a survey regarding people who stopped asking questions about things that matter the most to them? Where is the result of this survey? How many stop trying?
If no such survey has happened, the statement is based on pure speculation.

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder:
"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Says who, you? Where did you come up with that purpose?

Says me. I came up with it all by myself by thinking about it logically and objectively.
If the aim or purpose or goal of life is not to live, reproduce and die, why do so many life forms have a reproductive system and a process which results in death ?
Whether you like it and agree with it or not, it's my personal answer to the question and it makes perfect sense to me.

What is your personal answer to the question "What is the purpose of life?" Do you even have answer to it or haven't you figured out answer that makes sense to you yet?
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1/1/2016 12:44:07 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 12:40:37 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:19:43 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/31/2015 11:46:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?
To get answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

Who says many stop trying? Have the JW's gathered a survey regarding people who stopped asking questions about things that matter the most to them? Where is the result of this survey? How many stop trying?
If no such survey has happened, the statement is based on pure speculation.

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder:
"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Says who, you? Where did you come up with that purpose?

Says me. I came up with it all by myself by thinking about it logically and objectively.
If the aim or purpose or goal of life is not to live, reproduce and die, why do so many life forms have a reproductive system and a process which results in death ?
Whether you like it and agree with it or not, it's my personal answer to the question and it makes perfect sense to me.

What is your personal answer to the question "What is the purpose of life?" Do you even have answer to it or haven't you figured out answer that makes sense to you yet?

I think the purpose of life is to overcome our dark sides. To improve our morals.
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1/1/2016 1:02:46 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 12:44:07 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:40:37 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:19:43 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/31/2015 11:46:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?
To get answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

Who says many stop trying? Have the JW's gathered a survey regarding people who stopped asking questions about things that matter the most to them? Where is the result of this survey? How many stop trying?
If no such survey has happened, the statement is based on pure speculation.

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder:
"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Says who, you? Where did you come up with that purpose?

Says me. I came up with it all by myself by thinking about it logically and objectively.
If the aim or purpose or goal of life is not to live, reproduce and die, why do so many life forms have a reproductive system and a process which results in death ?
Whether you like it and agree with it or not, it's my personal answer to the question and it makes perfect sense to me.

What is your personal answer to the question "What is the purpose of life?" Do you even have answer to it or haven't you figured out answer that makes sense to you yet?

I think the purpose of life is to overcome our dark sides. To improve our morals.

That is an honourable personal goal.
However, it only applies to human life not to all life in general. It would be a good purpose or goal for those who need to "overcome their dark side" or "improve" their morals but if you already have high moral standards and live according to those standards, how can you improve on them? Only those who don't live up to their own moral standards would need to improve. Therefore your purpose would be a personal purpose relating only to humans who have not achieved the moral standards they hope to achieve. It is not a purpose which applies to all life forms.

Do all living things have a "dark side" or morals ?
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1/1/2016 1:09:33 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 1:02:46 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:44:07 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:40:37 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:19:43 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/31/2015 11:46:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?
To get answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

Who says many stop trying? Have the JW's gathered a survey regarding people who stopped asking questions about things that matter the most to them? Where is the result of this survey? How many stop trying?
If no such survey has happened, the statement is based on pure speculation.

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder:
"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Says who, you? Where did you come up with that purpose?

Says me. I came up with it all by myself by thinking about it logically and objectively.
If the aim or purpose or goal of life is not to live, reproduce and die, why do so many life forms have a reproductive system and a process which results in death ?
Whether you like it and agree with it or not, it's my personal answer to the question and it makes perfect sense to me.

What is your personal answer to the question "What is the purpose of life?" Do you even have answer to it or haven't you figured out answer that makes sense to you yet?

I think the purpose of life is to overcome our dark sides. To improve our morals.

That is an honourable personal goal.
However, it only applies to human life not to all life in general. It would be a good purpose or goal for those who need to "overcome their dark side" or "improve" their morals but if you already have high moral standards and live according to those standards, how can you improve on them? Only those who don't live up to their own moral standards would need to improve. Therefore your purpose would be a personal purpose relating only to humans who have not achieved the moral standards they hope to achieve. It is not a purpose which applies to all life forms.

Do all living things have a "dark side" or morals ?

No, just some. A dog has less ability to know right from wrong than a human, and so on.
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1/1/2016 1:11:32 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
This isn't debating - this is preaching.
This thread is like eavesdropping on a conversation in a mental asylum. - Bulproof

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What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
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1/1/2016 1:26:26 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 1:09:33 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:02:46 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:44:07 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:40:37 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:19:43 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/31/2015 11:46:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?
To get answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

Who says many stop trying? Have the JW's gathered a survey regarding people who stopped asking questions about things that matter the most to them? Where is the result of this survey? How many stop trying?
If no such survey has happened, the statement is based on pure speculation.

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder:
"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Says who, you? Where did you come up with that purpose?

Says me. I came up with it all by myself by thinking about it logically and objectively.
If the aim or purpose or goal of life is not to live, reproduce and die, why do so many life forms have a reproductive system and a process which results in death ?
Whether you like it and agree with it or not, it's my personal answer to the question and it makes perfect sense to me.

What is your personal answer to the question "What is the purpose of life?" Do you even have answer to it or haven't you figured out answer that makes sense to you yet?

I think the purpose of life is to overcome our dark sides. To improve our morals.

That is an honourable personal goal.
However, it only applies to human life not to all life in general. It would be a good purpose or goal for those who need to "overcome their dark side" or "improve" their morals but if you already have high moral standards and live according to those standards, how can you improve on them? Only those who don't live up to their own moral standards would need to improve. Therefore your purpose would be a personal purpose relating only to humans who have not achieved the moral standards they hope to achieve. It is not a purpose which applies to all life forms.

Do all living things have a "dark side" or morals ?

No, just some. A dog has less ability to know right from wrong than a human, and so on.

Which supports my statement regarding your purpose not being a purpose which applies to all life forms.
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1/1/2016 1:31:26 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 1:26:26 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:09:33 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:02:46 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:44:07 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:40:37 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:19:43 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/31/2015 11:46:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?
To get answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

Who says many stop trying? Have the JW's gathered a survey regarding people who stopped asking questions about things that matter the most to them? Where is the result of this survey? How many stop trying?
If no such survey has happened, the statement is based on pure speculation.

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder:
"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Says who, you? Where did you come up with that purpose?

Says me. I came up with it all by myself by thinking about it logically and objectively.
If the aim or purpose or goal of life is not to live, reproduce and die, why do so many life forms have a reproductive system and a process which results in death ?
Whether you like it and agree with it or not, it's my personal answer to the question and it makes perfect sense to me.

What is your personal answer to the question "What is the purpose of life?" Do you even have answer to it or haven't you figured out answer that makes sense to you yet?

I think the purpose of life is to overcome our dark sides. To improve our morals.

That is an honourable personal goal.
However, it only applies to human life not to all life in general. It would be a good purpose or goal for those who need to "overcome their dark side" or "improve" their morals but if you already have high moral standards and live according to those standards, how can you improve on them? Only those who don't live up to their own moral standards would need to improve. Therefore your purpose would be a personal purpose relating only to humans who have not achieved the moral standards they hope to achieve. It is not a purpose which applies to all life forms.

Do all living things have a "dark side" or morals ?

No, just some. A dog has less ability to know right from wrong than a human, and so on.

Which supports my statement regarding your purpose not being a purpose which applies to all life forms.

All life forms come from the same source of life. All life is one living organism. Evolution is just life growing, trying new experiences, to culminate as humans with the ability to grow morally. Humans can't exist without an ecosystem, can they?
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1/1/2016 1:34:36 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
There is no proof of God's existence, so I choose to go by the reasonable approach and be of disbelief. In the event that someone states "there is no proof that God isn't real" - you cannot argue a negative. That is a rule of logic.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

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Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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1/1/2016 1:46:57 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 1:31:26 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:26:26 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:09:33 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:02:46 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:44:07 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:40:37 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:19:43 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/31/2015 11:46:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?
To get answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

Who says many stop trying? Have the JW's gathered a survey regarding people who stopped asking questions about things that matter the most to them? Where is the result of this survey? How many stop trying?
If no such survey has happened, the statement is based on pure speculation.

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder:
"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Says who, you? Where did you come up with that purpose?

Says me. I came up with it all by myself by thinking about it logically and objectively.
If the aim or purpose or goal of life is not to live, reproduce and die, why do so many life forms have a reproductive system and a process which results in death ?
Whether you like it and agree with it or not, it's my personal answer to the question and it makes perfect sense to me.

What is your personal answer to the question "What is the purpose of life?" Do you even have answer to it or haven't you figured out answer that makes sense to you yet?

I think the purpose of life is to overcome our dark sides. To improve our morals.

That is an honourable personal goal.
However, it only applies to human life not to all life in general. It would be a good purpose or goal for those who need to "overcome their dark side" or "improve" their morals but if you already have high moral standards and live according to those standards, how can you improve on them? Only those who don't live up to their own moral standards would need to improve. Therefore your purpose would be a personal purpose relating only to humans who have not achieved the moral standards they hope to achieve. It is not a purpose which applies to all life forms.

Do all living things have a "dark side" or morals ?

No, just some. A dog has less ability to know right from wrong than a human, and so on.

Which supports my statement regarding your purpose not being a purpose which applies to all life forms.

All life forms come from the same source of life. All life is one living organism. Evolution is just life growing, trying new experiences, to culminate as humans with the ability to grow morally. Humans can't exist without an ecosystem, can they?

Life comes from life through lifes innumerable reproductive systems.
You could say it is one organism if you define one organism as one corporate body.
However different life forms are not all the same organism. You are a different organism to a plant or a frog for example.
All life on Earth exists within the ecosystem of Earth. However not all organisms in the system interact with all other organisms in the system.

Anyway, that is a different subject so if you wish to talk about life and evolution and ecosystems you best start a new thread in the science forum.
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1/1/2016 2:12:22 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 1:46:57 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:31:26 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:26:26 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:09:33 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:02:46 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:44:07 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:40:37 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:19:43 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/31/2015 11:46:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?
To get answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

Who says many stop trying? Have the JW's gathered a survey regarding people who stopped asking questions about things that matter the most to them? Where is the result of this survey? How many stop trying?
If no such survey has happened, the statement is based on pure speculation.

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder:
"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Says who, you? Where did you come up with that purpose?

Says me. I came up with it all by myself by thinking about it logically and objectively.
If the aim or purpose or goal of life is not to live, reproduce and die, why do so many life forms have a reproductive system and a process which results in death ?
Whether you like it and agree with it or not, it's my personal answer to the question and it makes perfect sense to me.

What is your personal answer to the question "What is the purpose of life?" Do you even have answer to it or haven't you figured out answer that makes sense to you yet?

I think the purpose of life is to overcome our dark sides. To improve our morals.

That is an honourable personal goal.
However, it only applies to human life not to all life in general. It would be a good purpose or goal for those who need to "overcome their dark side" or "improve" their morals but if you already have high moral standards and live according to those standards, how can you improve on them? Only those who don't live up to their own moral standards would need to improve. Therefore your purpose would be a personal purpose relating only to humans who have not achieved the moral standards they hope to achieve. It is not a purpose which applies to all life forms.

Do all living things have a "dark side" or morals ?

No, just some. A dog has less ability to know right from wrong than a human, and so on.

Which supports my statement regarding your purpose not being a purpose which applies to all life forms.

All life forms come from the same source of life. All life is one living organism. Evolution is just life growing, trying new experiences, to culminate as humans with the ability to grow morally. Humans can't exist without an ecosystem, can they?

Life comes from life through lifes innumerable reproductive systems.
You could say it is one organism if you define one organism as one corporate body.
However different life forms are not all the same organism. You are a different organism to a plant or a frog for example.
All life on Earth exists within the ecosystem of Earth. However not all organisms in the system interact with all other organisms in the system.

Anyway, that is a different subject so if you wish to talk about life and evolution and ecosystems you best start a new thread in the science forum.

What a hypocrite. Do you put your threads about energy in the science section?
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1/1/2016 3:45:05 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 2:12:22 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:46:57 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:31:26 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:26:26 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:09:33 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:02:46 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:44:07 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:40:37 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:19:43 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/31/2015 11:46:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?
To get answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

Who says many stop trying? Have the JW's gathered a survey regarding people who stopped asking questions about things that matter the most to them? Where is the result of this survey? How many stop trying?
If no such survey has happened, the statement is based on pure speculation.

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder:
"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Says who, you? Where did you come up with that purpose?

Says me. I came up with it all by myself by thinking about it logically and objectively.
If the aim or purpose or goal of life is not to live, reproduce and die, why do so many life forms have a reproductive system and a process which results in death ?
Whether you like it and agree with it or not, it's my personal answer to the question and it makes perfect sense to me.

What is your personal answer to the question "What is the purpose of life?" Do you even have answer to it or haven't you figured out answer that makes sense to you yet?

I think the purpose of life is to overcome our dark sides. To improve our morals.

That is an honourable personal goal.
However, it only applies to human life not to all life in general. It would be a good purpose or goal for those who need to "overcome their dark side" or "improve" their morals but if you already have high moral standards and live according to those standards, how can you improve on them? Only those who don't live up to their own moral standards would need to improve. Therefore your purpose would be a personal purpose relating only to humans who have not achieved the moral standards they hope to achieve. It is not a purpose which applies to all life forms.

Do all living things have a "dark side" or morals ?

No, just some. A dog has less ability to know right from wrong than a human, and so on.

Which supports my statement regarding your purpose not being a purpose which applies to all life forms.

All life forms come from the same source of life. All life is one living organism. Evolution is just life growing, trying new experiences, to culminate as humans with the ability to grow morally. Humans can't exist without an ecosystem, can they?

Life comes from life through lifes innumerable reproductive systems.
You could say it is one organism if you define one organism as one corporate body.
However different life forms are not all the same organism. You are a different organism to a plant or a frog for example.
All life on Earth exists within the ecosystem of Earth. However not all organisms in the system interact with all other organisms in the system.

Anyway, that is a different subject so if you wish to talk about life and evolution and ecosystems you best start a new thread in the science forum.

What a hypocrite. Do you put your threads about energy in the science section?

NO, because I am explaining how God can be perceived as a personification of energy, the same as Mother Nature is a personification of natural forces which are basically the energy of the universe. I doubt the science nerds want those kind of comparisons or explanations in the science forum.

How do evolution or ecosystems relate to the question... What is the truth about God? " or "what is the purpose of life" ?
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1/1/2016 3:52:16 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 3:45:05 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 2:12:22 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:46:57 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:31:26 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:26:26 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:09:33 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:02:46 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:44:07 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:40:37 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 12:19:43 AM, janesix wrote:
At 12/31/2015 11:46:56 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?
To get answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

Who says many stop trying? Have the JW's gathered a survey regarding people who stopped asking questions about things that matter the most to them? Where is the result of this survey? How many stop trying?
If no such survey has happened, the statement is based on pure speculation.

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder:
"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Says who, you? Where did you come up with that purpose?

Says me. I came up with it all by myself by thinking about it logically and objectively.
If the aim or purpose or goal of life is not to live, reproduce and die, why do so many life forms have a reproductive system and a process which results in death ?
Whether you like it and agree with it or not, it's my personal answer to the question and it makes perfect sense to me.

What is your personal answer to the question "What is the purpose of life?" Do you even have answer to it or haven't you figured out answer that makes sense to you yet?

I think the purpose of life is to overcome our dark sides. To improve our morals.

That is an honourable personal goal.
However, it only applies to human life not to all life in general. It would be a good purpose or goal for those who need to "overcome their dark side" or "improve" their morals but if you already have high moral standards and live according to those standards, how can you improve on them? Only those who don't live up to their own moral standards would need to improve. Therefore your purpose would be a personal purpose relating only to humans who have not achieved the moral standards they hope to achieve. It is not a purpose which applies to all life forms.

Do all living things have a "dark side" or morals ?

No, just some. A dog has less ability to know right from wrong than a human, and so on.

Which supports my statement regarding your purpose not being a purpose which applies to all life forms.

All life forms come from the same source of life. All life is one living organism. Evolution is just life growing, trying new experiences, to culminate as humans with the ability to grow morally. Humans can't exist without an ecosystem, can they?

Life comes from life through lifes innumerable reproductive systems.
You could say it is one organism if you define one organism as one corporate body.
However different life forms are not all the same organism. You are a different organism to a plant or a frog for example.
All life on Earth exists within the ecosystem of Earth. However not all organisms in the system interact with all other organisms in the system.

Anyway, that is a different subject so if you wish to talk about life and evolution and ecosystems you best start a new thread in the science forum.

What a hypocrite. Do you put your threads about energy in the science section?

NO, because I am explaining how God can be perceived as a personification of energy, the same as Mother Nature is a personification of natural forces which are basically the energy of the universe. I doubt the science nerds want those kind of comparisons or explanations in the science forum.

How do evolution or ecosystems relate to the question... What is the truth about God? " or "what is the purpose of life" ?

Because evolution and ecosystems are a main part of my theistic beliefs. God to me is the organism called the universe. It's not my fault no one thinks the same way theistically as I do.
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1/1/2016 4:00:46 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 3:52:16 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 3:45:05 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 2:12:22 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:46:57 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:31:26 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:26:26 AM, Skyangel wrote:

"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Says who, you? Where did you come up with that purpose?

Says me. I came up with it all by myself by thinking about it logically and objectively.
If the aim or purpose or goal of life is not to live, reproduce and die, why do so many life forms have a reproductive system and a process which results in death ?
Whether you like it and agree with it or not, it's my personal answer to the question and it makes perfect sense to me.

What is your personal answer to the question "What is the purpose of life?" Do you even have answer to it or haven't you figured out answer that makes sense to you yet?

I think the purpose of life is to overcome our dark sides. To improve our morals.

That is an honourable personal goal.
However, it only applies to human life not to all life in general. It would be a good purpose or goal for those who need to "overcome their dark side" or "improve" their morals but if you already have high moral standards and live according to those standards, how can you improve on them? Only those who don't live up to their own moral standards would need to improve. Therefore your purpose would be a personal purpose relating only to humans who have not achieved the moral standards they hope to achieve. It is not a purpose which applies to all life forms.

Do all living things have a "dark side" or morals ?

No, just some. A dog has less ability to know right from wrong than a human, and so on.

Which supports my statement regarding your purpose not being a purpose which applies to all life forms.

All life forms come from the same source of life. All life is one living organism. Evolution is just life growing, trying new experiences, to culminate as humans with the ability to grow morally. Humans can't exist without an ecosystem, can they?

Life comes from life through lifes innumerable reproductive systems.
You could say it is one organism if you define one organism as one corporate body.
However different life forms are not all the same organism. You are a different organism to a plant or a frog for example.
All life on Earth exists within the ecosystem of Earth. However not all organisms in the system interact with all other organisms in the system.

Anyway, that is a different subject so if you wish to talk about life and evolution and ecosystems you best start a new thread in the science forum.

What a hypocrite. Do you put your threads about energy in the science section?

NO, because I am explaining how God can be perceived as a personification of energy, the same as Mother Nature is a personification of natural forces which are basically the energy of the universe. I doubt the science nerds want those kind of comparisons or explanations in the science forum.

How do evolution or ecosystems relate to the question... What is the truth about God? " or "what is the purpose of life" ?

Because evolution and ecosystems are a main part of my theistic beliefs. God to me is the organism called the universe. It's not my fault no one thinks the same way theistically as I do.

Fair enough.
So just to make sure I am clear about your belief, am I correct to say your God is not an invisible supernatural character but a perfectly visible ecosystem and there is nothing supernatural about it ?
Do you pray to the ecosystem and hope it answers your prayers?
Do you think there is some supernatural intelligence outside of human intelligence?
What is the truth about that in your mind?
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1/1/2016 4:05:59 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 4:00:46 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 3:52:16 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 3:45:05 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 2:12:22 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:46:57 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:31:26 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 1:26:26 AM, Skyangel wrote:

"What is the purpose of life?

The purpose of life is to live, reproduce and die so that life can go on through future generations.

Says who, you? Where did you come up with that purpose?

Says me. I came up with it all by myself by thinking about it logically and objectively.
If the aim or purpose or goal of life is not to live, reproduce and die, why do so many life forms have a reproductive system and a process which results in death ?
Whether you like it and agree with it or not, it's my personal answer to the question and it makes perfect sense to me.

What is your personal answer to the question "What is the purpose of life?" Do you even have answer to it or haven't you figured out answer that makes sense to you yet?

I think the purpose of life is to overcome our dark sides. To improve our morals.

That is an honourable personal goal.
However, it only applies to human life not to all life in general. It would be a good purpose or goal for those who need to "overcome their dark side" or "improve" their morals but if you already have high moral standards and live according to those standards, how can you improve on them? Only those who don't live up to their own moral standards would need to improve. Therefore your purpose would be a personal purpose relating only to humans who have not achieved the moral standards they hope to achieve. It is not a purpose which applies to all life forms.

Do all living things have a "dark side" or morals ?

No, just some. A dog has less ability to know right from wrong than a human, and so on.

Which supports my statement regarding your purpose not being a purpose which applies to all life forms.

All life forms come from the same source of life. All life is one living organism. Evolution is just life growing, trying new experiences, to culminate as humans with the ability to grow morally. Humans can't exist without an ecosystem, can they?

Life comes from life through lifes innumerable reproductive systems.
You could say it is one organism if you define one organism as one corporate body.
However different life forms are not all the same organism. You are a different organism to a plant or a frog for example.
All life on Earth exists within the ecosystem of Earth. However not all organisms in the system interact with all other organisms in the system.

Anyway, that is a different subject so if you wish to talk about life and evolution and ecosystems you best start a new thread in the science forum.

What a hypocrite. Do you put your threads about energy in the science section?

NO, because I am explaining how God can be perceived as a personification of energy, the same as Mother Nature is a personification of natural forces which are basically the energy of the universe. I doubt the science nerds want those kind of comparisons or explanations in the science forum.

How do evolution or ecosystems relate to the question... What is the truth about God? " or "what is the purpose of life" ?

Because evolution and ecosystems are a main part of my theistic beliefs. God to me is the organism called the universe. It's not my fault no one thinks the same way theistically as I do.

Fair enough.
So just to make sure I am clear about your belief, am I correct to say your God is not an invisible supernatural character but a perfectly visible ecosystem and there is nothing supernatural about it ?
correct
Do you pray to the ecosystem and hope it answers your prayers?
no
Do you think there is some supernatural intelligence outside of human intelligence?
no. there is nothing supernatural. Everything is natural. Although there is an intelligence greater than human intelligence. As we are only a small part of the greater intelligence that is the universe
What is the truth about that in your mind?
I don't think it is the "truth" as such. It is my best guess after studying religion, science, and human behavior,
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1/1/2016 4:16:14 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 4:05:59 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 4:00:46 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 3:52:16 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 3:45:05 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 2:12:22 AM, janesix wrote:

What a hypocrite. Do you put your threads about energy in the science section?

NO, because I am explaining how God can be perceived as a personification of energy, the same as Mother Nature is a personification of natural forces which are basically the energy of the universe. I doubt the science nerds want those kind of comparisons or explanations in the science forum.

How do evolution or ecosystems relate to the question... What is the truth about God? " or "what is the purpose of life" ?

Because evolution and ecosystems are a main part of my theistic beliefs. God to me is the organism called the universe. It's not my fault no one thinks the same way theistically as I do.

Fair enough.
So just to make sure I am clear about your belief, am I correct to say your God is not an invisible supernatural character but a perfectly visible ecosystem and there is nothing supernatural about it ?
correct

So do you agree with me that God is a personification of natural forces the same as Mother Nature?

Do you pray to the ecosystem and hope it answers your prayers?
no
Do you think there is some supernatural intelligence outside of human intelligence?
no. there is nothing supernatural. Everything is natural. Although there is an intelligence greater than human intelligence. As we are only a small part of the greater intelligence that is the universe

How do you conclude there is any intelligence greater than human intelligence? Where is any evidence of such a "greater intelligence"?
Where in the universe does this "greater intelligence" reside?
In humans intelligence seems to reside in the brain.
So what exactly is "the brain" or the "greater intelligence" of the universe and where in the universe does it reside? It must be something natural if you don't believe it is supernatural.

What is the truth about that in your mind?
I don't think it is the "truth" as such. It is my best guess after studying religion, science, and human behavior,

A best guess about a "greater intelligence" is no better than blind faith, especially when you have no tangible evidence to support it.
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1/1/2016 4:23:15 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 4:16:14 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 4:05:59 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 4:00:46 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 3:52:16 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 3:45:05 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 2:12:22 AM, janesix wrote:

What a hypocrite. Do you put your threads about energy in the science section?

NO, because I am explaining how God can be perceived as a personification of energy, the same as Mother Nature is a personification of natural forces which are basically the energy of the universe. I doubt the science nerds want those kind of comparisons or explanations in the science forum.

How do evolution or ecosystems relate to the question... What is the truth about God? " or "what is the purpose of life" ?

Because evolution and ecosystems are a main part of my theistic beliefs. God to me is the organism called the universe. It's not my fault no one thinks the same way theistically as I do.

Fair enough.
So just to make sure I am clear about your belief, am I correct to say your God is not an invisible supernatural character but a perfectly visible ecosystem and there is nothing supernatural about it ?
correct

So do you agree with me that God is a personification of natural forces the same as Mother Nature?
No. God is a real living intelligence,and includes both me and you

Do you pray to the ecosystem and hope it answers your prayers?
no
Do you think there is some supernatural intelligence outside of human intelligence?
no. there is nothing supernatural. Everything is natural. Although there is an intelligence greater than human intelligence. As we are only a small part of the greater intelligence that is the universe

How do you conclude there is any intelligence greater than human intelligence?
This is mostly from personal contact and experience.
Where is any evidence of such a "greater intelligence"?
I have no evidence, but I am also not out to prove anything to anyone.
Where in the universe does this "greater intelligence" reside?
Everywhere. It is the entire universe. Nothing is separate from it.
In humans intelligence seems to reside in the brain.
So what exactly is "the brain" or the "greater intelligence" of the universe and where in the universe does it reside? It must be something natural if you don't believe it is supernatural.

Consciousness doesn't require a brain


What is the truth about that in your mind?
I don't think it is the "truth" as such. It is my best guess after studying religion, science, and human behavior,

A best guess about a "greater intelligence" is no better than blind faith, especially when you have no tangible evidence to support it. That's fine with me,as I'm not trying to convert you or anyone else to my views.
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1/1/2016 4:47:27 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 4:23:15 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 4:16:14 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 4:05:59 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 4:00:46 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 3:52:16 AM, janesix wrote:

Because evolution and ecosystems are a main part of my theistic beliefs. God to me is the organism called the universe. It's not my fault no one thinks the same way theistically as I do.

Fair enough.
So just to make sure I am clear about your belief, am I correct to say your God is not an invisible supernatural character but a perfectly visible ecosystem and there is nothing supernatural about it ?
correct

So do you agree with me that God is a personification of natural forces the same as Mother Nature?
No. God is a real living intelligence,and includes both me and you

You could say exactly the same about Mother Nature. Is she a real living intelligence as well since she is a personification of the ecosystem?
As far as I am aware, intelligence is found only in living things which have a brain and even then it is debatable as to whether all things with a brain are intelligent.
Intelligence is defined as....." the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills."
"the ability to learn or understand things or to deal with new or difficult situations"

How exactly does the ecosystem acquire and apply knowledge and skills?
How does the ecosystem learn or understand things?
Does the ecosystem ever face new and difficult situations which it needs to decide how to deal with intelligently? If so please give an example of them.

Do you pray to the ecosystem and hope it answers your prayers?
no
Do you think there is some supernatural intelligence outside of human intelligence?
no. there is nothing supernatural. Everything is natural. Although there is an intelligence greater than human intelligence. As we are only a small part of the greater intelligence that is the universe

How do you conclude there is any intelligence greater than human intelligence?

This is mostly from personal contact and experience.
Where is any evidence of such a "greater intelligence"?
I have no evidence, but I am also not out to prove anything to anyone.

So you blindly accept it by faith the same as any theist accepts the supernatural invisible character named God by blind faith?
There is no physical evidence of any greater intelligence than human intelligence. Therefore no human has any logical reason to believe any such "greater intelligence" exists. However human intelligence obviously varies a lot in its range from idiots to genii.

Where in the universe does this "greater intelligence" reside?
Everywhere. It is the entire universe. Nothing is separate from it.

That is as illogical as claiming your own intelligence is all through your body. Is your toe intelligent? Is your hair intelligent or just your mind?
When people lose their mind, can their toe or finger or any other part of the body take over the job of thinking and reasoning which is essential to intelligence?

In humans intelligence seems to reside in the brain.
So what exactly is "the brain" or the "greater intelligence" of the universe and where in the universe does it reside? It must be something natural if you don't believe it is supernatural.

Consciousness doesn't require a brain.

Your evidence for that is ?

What is the truth about that in your mind?
I don't think it is the "truth" as such. It is my best guess after studying religion, science, and human behavior,

A best guess about a "greater intelligence" is no better than blind faith, especially when you have no tangible evidence to support it. That's fine with me,as I'm not trying to convert you or anyone else to my views.

Neither am I but I think it is important to have realistic and sensible views and not something based on blind faith. Don't you ?

Views based on blind faith are illogical fantasies.
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1/1/2016 4:57:16 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 4:47:27 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 4:23:15 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 4:16:14 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 4:05:59 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 4:00:46 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 3:52:16 AM, janesix wrote:

Because evolution and ecosystems are a main part of my theistic beliefs. God to me is the organism called the universe. It's not my fault no one thinks the same way theistically as I do.

Fair enough.
So just to make sure I am clear about your belief, am I correct to say your God is not an invisible supernatural character but a perfectly visible ecosystem and there is nothing supernatural about it ?
correct

So do you agree with me that God is a personification of natural forces the same as Mother Nature?
No. God is a real living intelligence,and includes both me and you

You could say exactly the same about Mother Nature. Is she a real living intelligence as well since she is a personification of the ecosystem?
As far as I am aware, intelligence is found only in living things which have a brain and even then it is debatable as to whether all things with a brain are intelligent.
Intelligence is defined as....." the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills."
"the ability to learn or understand things or to deal with new or difficult situations"

How exactly does the ecosystem acquire and apply knowledge and skills?
How does the ecosystem learn or understand things?
Does the ecosystem ever face new and difficult situations which it needs to decide how to deal with intelligently? If so please give an example of them.


Do you pray to the ecosystem and hope it answers your prayers?
no
Do you think there is some supernatural intelligence outside of human intelligence?
no. there is nothing supernatural. Everything is natural. Although there is an intelligence greater than human intelligence. As we are only a small part of the greater intelligence that is the universe

How do you conclude there is any intelligence greater than human intelligence?

This is mostly from personal contact and experience.
Where is any evidence of such a "greater intelligence"?
I have no evidence, but I am also not out to prove anything to anyone.

So you blindly accept it by faith the same as any theist accepts the supernatural invisible character named God by blind faith?
There is no physical evidence of any greater intelligence than human intelligence. Therefore no human has any logical reason to believe any such "greater intelligence" exists. However human intelligence obviously varies a lot in its range from idiots to genii.


Where in the universe does this "greater intelligence" reside?
Everywhere. It is the entire universe. Nothing is separate from it.

That is as illogical as claiming your own intelligence is all through your body. Is your toe intelligent? Is your hair intelligent or just your mind?
When people lose their mind, can their toe or finger or any other part of the body take over the job of thinking and reasoning which is essential to intelligence?

In humans intelligence seems to reside in the brain.
So what exactly is "the brain" or the "greater intelligence" of the universe and where in the universe does it reside? It must be something natural if you don't believe it is supernatural.

Consciousness doesn't require a brain.

Your evidence for that is ?


What is the truth about that in your mind?
I don't think it is the "truth" as such. It is my best guess after studying religion, science, and human behavior,

A best guess about a "greater intelligence" is no better than blind faith, especially when you have no tangible evidence to support it. That's fine with me,as I'm not trying to convert you or anyone else to my views.

Neither am I but I think it is important to have realistic and sensible views and not something based on blind faith. Don't you ?

Views based on blind faith are illogical fantasies.

Maybe you missed it, but I already explained to you I believe it due to personal experience. If you want to call that blind faith, go ahead. I call it personal proof. I can't give you evidence for that, nor do I expect you to believe me. I am just sharing what I know and what I've experienced,and the world-view I have because of that personal experience.

If you are interested in my world view, that's great I'm happy to share. If not, then that's too bad.
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1/1/2016 5:13:17 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/31/2015 6:24:47 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 12/31/2015 2:16:09 PM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
1, 2. Why is it often good to ask questions?

HAVE you ever noticed the way children ask questions? Many start asking as soon as they learn to speak. With wide, eager eyes, they look up at you and ask such things as: Why is the sky blue? What are the stars made of? Who taught the birds to sing? You may try hard to answer, but it is not always easy. Even your best answer may lead to yet another question: Why?

2 Children are not the only ones who ask questions. As we grow up, we keep asking. We do this in order to find our way, to learn of dangers that we need to avoid, or to satisfy our curiosity. But many people seem to stop asking questions, especially the most important ones. At least, they stop searching for the answers.

3. Why do many stop trying to find answers to the questions that matter most?

3 Think about the question on the cover of this book, the questions raised in the preface, or those at the beginning of this chapter. These are some of the most important questions you can ask. Yet, many people have given up trying to find the answers. Why? Does the Bible have the answers? Some feel that its answers are too hard to understand. Others worry that asking questions could lead to shame or embarrassment. And some decide that such questions are best left to religious leaders and teachers. What about you?

4, 5. What are some of the most important questions we can ask in life, and why should we seek the answers?

4 Very likely you are interested in getting answers to life"s big questions. No doubt you sometimes wonder: "What is the purpose of life? Is this life all there is? What is God really like?" It is good to ask such questions, and it is important that you do not give up until you find satisfying, reliable answers. The famous teacher Jesus Christ said: "Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you.""Matthew 7:7.

5 If you "keep on seeking" for answers to the important questions, you will find that the search can be very rewarding. (Proverbs 2:1-5) Despite what other people may have told you, there are answers, and you can find them"in the Bible. The answers are not too hard to understand. Better yet, they bring hope and joy. And they can help you to live a satisfying life right now. To begin, let us consider a question that has troubled many people.

IS GOD UNCARING AND HARDHEARTED?

6. Why do many people think that God is uncaring when it comes to human suffering?

6 Many people think that the answer to that question is yes. "If God cared," they reason, "would not the world be a very different place?" We look around and see a world full of war, hatred, and misery. And as individuals, we get sick, we suffer, we lose loved ones in death. Thus, many say, "If God cared about us and our problems, would he not prevent such things from happening?"

7. (a) How have religious teachers led many to think that God is hardhearted? (b) What does the Bible really teach about the trials we may suffer?

7 Worse yet, religious teachers sometimes lead people to think that God is hardhearted. How so? When tragedy strikes, they say that it is God"s will. In effect, such teachers blame God for the bad things that happen. Is that the truth about God? What does the Bible really teach? James 1:13 answers: "When under trial, let no one say: "I am being tried by God." For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone." So God is never the source of the wickedness you see in the world around you. (Read Job 34:10-12.) Granted, he does allow bad things to happen. But there is a big difference between allowing something to happen and causing it.

8, 9. (a) How might you illustrate the difference between allowing wickedness to exist and causing it? (b) Why would it be unfair for us to find fault with God"s decision to allow mankind to pursue a wayward course?

8 For example, think about a wise and loving father with a grown son who is still living at home with his parents. When the son becomes rebellious and decides to leave home, his father does not stop him. The son pursues a bad way of life and gets into trouble. Is the father the cause of his son"s problems? No. (Luke 15:11-13) Similarly, God has not stopped humans when they have chosen to pursue a bad course, but he is not the cause of the problems that have resulted. Surely, then, it would be unfair to blame God for all the troubles of mankind.

9 God has good reasons for allowing mankind to follow a bad course. As our wise and powerful Creator, he does not have to explain his reasons to us. Out of love, however, God does this. You will learn more about these reasons in Chapter 11. But rest assured that God is not responsible for the problems we face. On the contrary, he gives us the only hope for a solution!"Isaiah 33:2.

10. Why can we trust that God will undo all the effects of wickedness?

10 Furthermore, God is holy. (Isaiah 6:3) This means that he is pure and clean. There is no trace of badness in him. So we can trust him completely. That is more than we can say for humans, who sometimes become corrupt. Even the most honest human in authority often does not have the power to undo the damage that bad people do. But God is all-powerful. He can and will undo all the effects that wickedness has had on mankind. When God acts, he will do so in a way that will end evil forever!"Read Psalm 37:9-11.

HOW DOES GOD FEEL ABOUT INJUSTICES WE FACE?

11. (a) How does God feel about injustice? (b) How does God feel about your suffering?

11 In the meantime, how does God feel about what is going on in the world and in your life? Well, the Bible teaches that God "loves justice." (Psalm 37:28) So he cares deeply about what is right and what is wrong. He hates all kinds of injustice. The Bible says that God"s "heart was saddened" when badness filled the world in times past. (Genesis 6:5, 6) God has not changed. (Malachi 3:6) He still hates to see the suffering that is taking place worldwide. And God hates to see people suffer. "He cares for you," the Bible says."Read 1 Peter 5:7.

God"s creations: mountains, lake, fish, birds, and trees
The Bible teaches that Jehovah is the loving Creator of the universe

12, 13. (a) Why do we have good qualities such as love, and how does love affect our view of the world? (b) Why can you be sure that God will really do something about world problems?


A copy and pasting from a JW site.

Interesting
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1/1/2016 5:21:09 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 4:57:16 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 4:47:27 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/1/2016 4:23:15 AM, janesix wrote:
At 1/1/2016 4:16:14 AM, Skyangel wrote:

How do you conclude there is any intelligence greater than human intelligence?

This is mostly from personal contact and experience.
Where is any evidence of such a "greater intelligence"?
I have no evidence, but I am also not out to prove anything to anyone.

So you blindly accept it by faith the same as any theist accepts the supernatural invisible character named God by blind faith?
There is no physical evidence of any greater intelligence than human intelligence. Therefore no human has any logical reason to believe any such "greater intelligence" exists. However human intelligence obviously varies a lot in its range from idiots to genii.


Where in the universe does this "greater intelligence" reside?
Everywhere. It is the entire universe. Nothing is separate from it.

That is as illogical as claiming your own intelligence is all through your body. Is your toe intelligent? Is your hair intelligent or just your mind?
When people lose their mind, can their toe or finger or any other part of the body take over the job of thinking and reasoning which is essential to intelligence?

In humans intelligence seems to reside in the brain.
So what exactly is "the brain" or the "greater intelligence" of the universe and where in the universe does it reside? It must be something natural if you don't believe it is supernatural.

Consciousness doesn't require a brain.

Your evidence for that is ?


What is the truth about that in your mind?
I don't think it is the "truth" as such. It is my best guess after studying religion, science, and human behavior,

A best guess about a "greater intelligence" is no better than blind faith, especially when you have no tangible evidence to support it. That's fine with me,as I'm not trying to convert you or anyone else to my views.

Neither am I but I think it is important to have realistic and sensible views and not something based on blind faith. Don't you ?

Views based on blind faith are illogical fantasies.

Maybe you missed it, but I already explained to you I believe it due to personal experience. If you want to call that blind faith, go ahead. I call it personal proof. I can't give you evidence for that, nor do I expect you to believe me. I am just sharing what I know and what I've experienced,and the world-view I have because of that personal experience.

I don't expect evidence but I would like to understand what personal experiences caused you to conclude that a greater intelligence which does not require a brain exists in the ecosystem.
Can you describe what experiences led you to believe what you do?

If you are interested in my world view, that's great I'm happy to share. If not, then that's too bad.

If I was not interested I would not be asking any questions.