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Jovian
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12/31/2015 5:13:21 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
KJV 1 Timothy 2:9

"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;"

How many Christian women follow these laws? How many Christian men forbid their daughters to buy that little cheap pearl bracelet when out shopping? Has braids EVER in the 1800s-2000s been factually seen as not okay? If so, is Pippi Longstocking with her twin braids forbidden in any Christian area?

About the costly array, sure, but that is out of economical reasons and not religious. No one tells their daughters "sorry you can't have that $2000 purse because God says it's not okay. Otherwise, I would gladly take a loan on the bank to give you that".

I have although read many explanations for this dress code.

* This dress code is not applicable today since this way of dressing was done solely by upper class women at that time, whereas it's no longer a matter of class today. So this should be interpreted as any kind of fashionable clothing, not specifically braids and jewellery.

* This dress code was/is only for women to use while praying.

My way of seeing this: If so, then it seems like this "wait you shouldn't read that literarily" card only should be done on some parts of the Bible. Whereas "homosexuality is an abomination" is something you absolutely not in any universe couldn't read from a historical perspective or ponder upon further, because those verses actually are to be taken literarily all of a sudden. If God has said something, then it ought to be binding forever until further notice of him. So all in all, these excuses at least doesn't make sense to me.

Finally, I should take into account that the New International Versions has modified it with:

" I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,"

I although guess the most popular Bible is the King James Version. But if this NIV verse is better, well then the issue about the pearls exist. One could also wonder, which sum of money is the limit for expensive clothes? And is there a limit of acceptable carat in gold jewellery, or is any carat of gold prohibited to wear?
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12/31/2015 5:46:13 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/31/2015 5:13:21 PM, Jovian wrote:
KJV 1 Timothy 2:9

"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;"

How many Christian women follow these laws? How many Christian men forbid their daughters to buy that little cheap pearl bracelet when out shopping? Has braids EVER in the 1800s-2000s been factually seen as not okay? If so, is Pippi Longstocking with her twin braids forbidden in any Christian area?

About the costly array, sure, but that is out of economical reasons and not religious. No one tells their daughters "sorry you can't have that $2000 purse because God says it's not okay. Otherwise, I would gladly take a loan on the bank to give you that".

I have although read many explanations for this dress code.

* This dress code is not applicable today since this way of dressing was done solely by upper class women at that time, whereas it's no longer a matter of class today. So this should be interpreted as any kind of fashionable clothing, not specifically braids and jewellery.

* This dress code was/is only for women to use while praying.

My way of seeing this: If so, then it seems like this "wait you shouldn't read that literarily" card only should be done on some parts of the Bible. Whereas "homosexuality is an abomination" is something you absolutely not in any universe couldn't read from a historical perspective or ponder upon further, because those verses actually are to be taken literarily all of a sudden. If God has said something, then it ought to be binding forever until further notice of him. So all in all, these excuses at least doesn't make sense to me.

Finally, I should take into account that the New International Versions has modified it with:

" I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,"

I although guess the most popular Bible is the King James Version. But if this NIV verse is better, well then the issue about the pearls exist. One could also wonder, which sum of money is the limit for expensive clothes? And is there a limit of acceptable carat in gold jewellery, or is any carat of gold prohibited to wear?

The Bible is sexist another reason for not taking it seriously!
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12/31/2015 6:57:00 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/31/2015 5:46:13 PM, JJ50 wrote:
At 12/31/2015 5:13:21 PM, Jovian wrote:
KJV 1 Timothy 2:9

"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;"

How many Christian women follow these laws? How many Christian men forbid their daughters to buy that little cheap pearl bracelet when out shopping? Has braids EVER in the 1800s-2000s been factually seen as not okay? If so, is Pippi Longstocking with her twin braids forbidden in any Christian area?

About the costly array, sure, but that is out of economical reasons and not religious. No one tells their daughters "sorry you can't have that $2000 purse because God says it's not okay. Otherwise, I would gladly take a loan on the bank to give you that".

I have although read many explanations for this dress code.

* This dress code is not applicable today since this way of dressing was done solely by upper class women at that time, whereas it's no longer a matter of class today. So this should be interpreted as any kind of fashionable clothing, not specifically braids and jewellery.

* This dress code was/is only for women to use while praying.

My way of seeing this: If so, then it seems like this "wait you shouldn't read that literarily" card only should be done on some parts of the Bible. Whereas "homosexuality is an abomination" is something you absolutely not in any universe couldn't read from a historical perspective or ponder upon further, because those verses actually are to be taken literarily all of a sudden. If God has said something, then it ought to be binding forever until further notice of him. So all in all, these excuses at least doesn't make sense to me.

Finally, I should take into account that the New International Versions has modified it with:

" I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,"

I although guess the most popular Bible is the King James Version. But if this NIV verse is better, well then the issue about the pearls exist. One could also wonder, which sum of money is the limit for expensive clothes? And is there a limit of acceptable carat in gold jewellery, or is any carat of gold prohibited to wear?

The Bible is sexist another reason for not taking it seriously!

Oh yes, modest dressing, otherwise some men could molest them because all men are savages who can't control their sexual drifts. An attitude which sadly exists in 2015.
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1/1/2016 7:36:19 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
It would be nice to have a debate on this one, since it's something I really can't wrap my head around.
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1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?
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1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes
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1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.
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1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems
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1/1/2016 8:31:12 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Yeah, but Amish + Mennonites make up like 0.5% of all Christians I guess.
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1/1/2016 8:33:08 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 8:31:12 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Yeah, but Amish + Mennonites make up like 0.5% of all Christians I guess.

My sister's cult probably doesn't bring that percentage up either, so good point
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1/1/2016 9:00:25 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 8:33:08 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:31:12 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Yeah, but Amish + Mennonites make up like 0.5% of all Christians I guess.

My sister's cult probably doesn't bring that percentage up either, so good point

Well, quite sensible way of dressing as a Christian if you ask me. Whereas most Christians and other religious people too seem to believe that God's words magically update themselves by time.
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1/1/2016 9:13:50 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Quakers and anabaptists. And nuns.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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1/1/2016 9:14:15 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 9:13:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Quakers and anabaptists. And nuns.

And lions and tigers and bears
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1/1/2016 9:17:03 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 9:14:15 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:13:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Quakers and anabaptists. And nuns.

And lions and tigers and bears

Dorothy braided her hair. What a whore.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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1/1/2016 9:18:45 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 9:17:03 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:14:15 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:13:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Quakers and anabaptists. And nuns.

And lions and tigers and bears

Dorothy braided her hair. What a whore.

I'm not here to judge. If she wants to spend an eternity in fire and brimstone that's her business, a slutt like that will probably enjoy the torture
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1/1/2016 9:21:02 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 9:18:45 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:17:03 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:14:15 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:13:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Quakers and anabaptists. And nuns.

And lions and tigers and bears

Dorothy braided her hair. What a whore.

I'm not here to judge. If she wants to spend an eternity in fire and brimstone that's her business, a slutt like that will probably enjoy the torture

You forgot 'bless her heart'.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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1/1/2016 9:22:38 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 9:21:02 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:18:45 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:17:03 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:14:15 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:13:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Quakers and anabaptists. And nuns.

And lions and tigers and bears

Dorothy braided her hair. What a whore.

I'm not here to judge. If she wants to spend an eternity in fire and brimstone that's her business, a slutt like that will probably enjoy the torture

You forgot 'bless her heart'.

I'll be saying my Hail Mary's to make up for it.
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1/1/2016 9:42:02 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 9:18:45 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:17:03 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:14:15 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:13:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Quakers and anabaptists. And nuns.

And lions and tigers and bears

Dorothy braided her hair. What a whore.

I'm not here to judge. If she wants to spend an eternity in fire and brimstone that's her business, a slutt like that will probably enjoy the torture

How many minutes of braid wearing should you have had in order to burn for an eternity? Is it ok to have some days back in your teens while you were young and foolish, or is any minute bad?
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1/1/2016 10:02:23 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 9:42:02 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:18:45 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:17:03 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:14:15 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:13:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Quakers and anabaptists. And nuns.

And lions and tigers and bears

Dorothy braided her hair. What a whore.

I'm not here to judge. If she wants to spend an eternity in fire and brimstone that's her business, a slutt like that will probably enjoy the torture

How many minutes of braid wearing should you have had in order to burn for an eternity? Is it ok to have some days back in your teens while you were young and foolish, or is any minute bad?

Well I guess God can forgive you if you donate the church enough money, but you should really try to avoid basically being a whore who is begging to get raped
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1/1/2016 10:06:53 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 10:02:23 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:42:02 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:18:45 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:17:03 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:14:15 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:13:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Quakers and anabaptists. And nuns.

And lions and tigers and bears

Dorothy braided her hair. What a whore.

I'm not here to judge. If she wants to spend an eternity in fire and brimstone that's her business, a slutt like that will probably enjoy the torture

How many minutes of braid wearing should you have had in order to burn for an eternity? Is it ok to have some days back in your teens while you were young and foolish, or is any minute bad?

Well I guess God can forgive you if you donate the church enough money, but you should really try to avoid basically being a whore who is begging to get raped

Wylted sits on my shoulder and smokes pot. He tries to tell me when I am in the wrong, but if I haven't been laid in a while, he shuts up because he hasn't been laid in a while either. He tries to get me to play with his tail. Silly rabbit.
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1/1/2016 10:09:13 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 10:02:23 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:42:02 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:18:45 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:17:03 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:14:15 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:13:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Quakers and anabaptists. And nuns.

And lions and tigers and bears

Dorothy braided her hair. What a whore.

I'm not here to judge. If she wants to spend an eternity in fire and brimstone that's her business, a slutt like that will probably enjoy the torture

How many minutes of braid wearing should you have had in order to burn for an eternity? Is it ok to have some days back in your teens while you were young and foolish, or is any minute bad?

Well I guess God can forgive you if you donate the church enough money, but you should really try to avoid basically being a whore who is begging to get raped

True that! Spin your hair around and let it fall, woah, that will turn the men into savages who impossibly could have any responsibility by that moment.
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1/1/2016 10:09:27 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 10:06:53 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 1/1/2016 10:02:23 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:42:02 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:18:45 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:17:03 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:14:15 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:13:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Quakers and anabaptists. And nuns.

And lions and tigers and bears

Dorothy braided her hair. What a whore.

I'm not here to judge. If she wants to spend an eternity in fire and brimstone that's her business, a slutt like that will probably enjoy the torture

How many minutes of braid wearing should you have had in order to burn for an eternity? Is it ok to have some days back in your teens while you were young and foolish, or is any minute bad?

Well I guess God can forgive you if you donate the church enough money, but you should really try to avoid basically being a whore who is begging to get raped

Wylted sits on my shoulder and smokes pot. He tries to tell me when I am in the wrong, but if I haven't been laid in a while, he shuts up because he hasn't been laid in a while either. He tries to get me to play with his tail. Silly rabbit.

Ok
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1/1/2016 10:11:03 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 10:06:53 PM, IntellectVsSpirit5000 wrote:
At 1/1/2016 10:02:23 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:42:02 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:18:45 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:17:03 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:14:15 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 9:13:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:29:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:27:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:24:49 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:23:26 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 1/1/2016 8:18:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
My sister is in a Christian cult and dresses like that

Even in the daily life?

Yes

Ah. Well it is as you said in a cult, thus often with a more dogmatic view on the Bible. It's although not often I hear that there is a wide spread thing in Christian families that if their daughters ask for that $3 pearl bracelet on a farmer's market, then she will hear a straight no.

Well the Amish are christian too, so are Mennonites, and they obey that, it seems

Quakers and anabaptists. And nuns.

And lions and tigers and bears

Dorothy braided her hair. What a whore.

I'm not here to judge. If she wants to spend an eternity in fire and brimstone that's her business, a slutt like that will probably enjoy the torture

How many minutes of braid wearing should you have had in order to burn for an eternity? Is it ok to have some days back in your teens while you were young and foolish, or is any minute bad?

Well I guess God can forgive you if you donate the church enough money, but you should really try to avoid basically being a whore who is begging to get raped

Wylted sits on my shoulder and smokes pot. He tries to tell me when I am in the wrong, but if I haven't been laid in a while, he shuts up because he hasn't been laid in a while either. He tries to get me to play with his tail. Silly rabbit.

How about discussing topic?
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1/3/2016 2:14:23 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
*cough* Mainstream Christians understand their mistake here and don't dare admitting it and thus avoid this post *cough cough COOOOOOOUGH*
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1/3/2016 6:54:15 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Jovian,
Thanks for posting a hard question, and genuinely challenging for an explanation.

This chapter (2) is an exhortation to the proper way to conduct a Christian life. If we take the approach that everything in the passage must be taken absolutely literally, entirely differently from the way every other message one encounters in life, it would lead to the conclusion that Christians must follow a very strict dress code. This would avoid the problems of interpreting everything not through the intention of the writer, but through the lens of what is convenient for the reader right now. There are a lot of Christians and claimed christians who are actively supporting homosexuality or all sorts of other things a plain reading of the Bible prohibits. Both are unreasonable extremes, and I can demonstrate by interpreting this passage (1 Timothy 2) absolutely literally, discounting any possibility of figures of speech, examples given to show a principal rather than exhaustively listing every possible breach of the rules, or sarcasm.

"Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness."

The first part is a general rule with no specific examples: modest, discreet, proper clothing. The second part is prohibitions like braids and pearls and costly garments.
The third part is what should be worn instead of costly clothes and jewelry: Good works. The whole point is not to be flashy and make the superficial the point, but what is on the inside the point. Paul already covered more specific clothing rules in the first part, (modesty) now he's making a comparison between ornamentation that is supposed to impress others based on the priciples of worldly, superficial beauty, and focusing on how we should really view people, what's on the inside.

If I'm dismissing the most literal interpretation inappropriately, then there should be rules given about what kind of jewelry (if any) is allowed, what specific hair styles are allowed, and a price for what are "costly" clothes. Four days wages? A month?

But this isn't the case. General rules are given, and then examples are only used just to contrast superficial beauty to inner beauty.

That's why this isn't a dress code like some super strict sects adhere to.
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1/3/2016 7:07:13 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/31/2015 5:13:21 PM, Jovian wrote:
KJV 1 Timothy 2:9

"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;"

How many Christian women follow these laws? How many Christian men forbid their daughters to buy that little cheap pearl bracelet when out shopping? Has braids EVER in the 1800s-2000s been factually seen as not okay? If so, is Pippi Longstocking with her twin braids forbidden in any Christian area?

About the costly array, sure, but that is out of economical reasons and not religious. No one tells their daughters "sorry you can't have that $2000 purse because God says it's not okay. Otherwise, I would gladly take a loan on the bank to give you that".

I have although read many explanations for this dress code.

* This dress code is not applicable today since this way of dressing was done solely by upper class women at that time, whereas it's no longer a matter of class today. So this should be interpreted as any kind of fashionable clothing, not specifically braids and jewellery.

* This dress code was/is only for women to use while praying.

My way of seeing this: If so, then it seems like this "wait you shouldn't read that literarily" card only should be done on some parts of the Bible. Whereas "homosexuality is an abomination" is something you absolutely not in any universe couldn't read from a historical perspective or ponder upon further, because those verses actually are to be taken literarily all of a sudden. If God has said something, then it ought to be binding forever until further notice of him. So all in all, these excuses at least doesn't make sense to me.

Finally, I should take into account that the New International Versions has modified it with:

" I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,"

I although guess the most popular Bible is the King James Version. But if this NIV verse is better, well then the issue about the pearls exist. One could also wonder, which sum of money is the limit for expensive clothes? And is there a limit of acceptable carat in gold jewellery, or is any carat of gold prohibited to wear?

The Bible was merely trying to curb fashion trends in order to boost their companies, just advertising...
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1/3/2016 7:14:32 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Even female dress codes around the house aren't followed. Females shouldn't wear shoes which stop them from getting closer to the sink.
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1/3/2016 8:50:06 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
The Christians I have asked about this said that the passage encourages modesty and discourages offensive decadence, but that decadence looks different today than it did when the Bible was written. Braids and gold wedding bands are no longer symbols of flashy conceit. People of almost all classes have them (in first world countries, anyway). So I guess "times have changed" is their answer. *shrug*

Hard to imagine a braid was ever seen as flashy conceit. What's the modern equivalent supposed to be, then? A rapper's bling? Fishnet hose?
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1/3/2016 8:59:32 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
I dress to please myself not my husband, usually in T shirts and trousers, very rarely do I wear a dress or skirt. If the deity, assuming it exists, doesn't like that then it can stick its dislike up its rear end!