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Is God to Blame for Our Suffering?

Joshua_Verum
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1/1/2016 12:19:13 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
The Bible emphatically answers no! Suffering was not part of Jehovah God's purpose for mankind. However, the first human couple rebelled against God's rulership, choosing to set their own standards of good and bad. They turned away from God and suffered the consequences.

Today we are experiencing the effects of their bad choice. But in no way did God originate human suffering.

The Bible says: "When under trial, let no one say: `I am being tried by God.' For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone." (James 1:13) Suffering can afflict anyone-even those who are favored by God.

The Bible reveals that Satan the Devil is a real person who, like a powerful criminal kingpin, sees to it that his will is accomplished through "lying signs" and "deception." In fact, he "keeps transforming himself into an angel of light," says the Bible. (2 Thessalonians 2:9, 10; 2 Corinthians 11:14) The Devil's existence can be perceived by the damage he causes.

However, the Devil is not responsible for all suffering. Why not? God created humans with the capacity to choose between doing good and doing bad. (Joshua 24:15) When we make poor choices, we reap bad consequences.-Galatians 6:7, 8.
(Matthew 24:14:) And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

The Kingdom message is reaching all corners of the globe. In 2010 alone, Jehovah"s Witnesses spent over 1.6 billion hours proclaiming this good news in 236 lands. Over the past decade, they have produced and distributed more than 20 billion items of literature.

https://www.jw.org...
Joshua_Verum
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1/1/2016 12:29:55 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 12:21:22 AM, janesix wrote:
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(Matthew 24:14:) And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

The Kingdom message is reaching all corners of the globe. In 2010 alone, Jehovah"s Witnesses spent over 1.6 billion hours proclaiming this good news in 236 lands. Over the past decade, they have produced and distributed more than 20 billion items of literature.

https://www.jw.org...
Skyangel
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1/1/2016 1:23:19 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 12:19:13 AM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
The Bible emphatically answers no! Suffering was not part of Jehovah God's purpose for mankind. However, the first human couple rebelled against God's rulership, choosing to set their own standards of good and bad. They turned away from God and suffered the consequences.

Yes God is to blame or credit for all he created. He created ALL things including suffering, consequences, pain, evil, chaos, and every opposite thing in existence. The God in the bible stories is the author and creator of all of it.
However, humans are free to place blame on whoever they wish to blame and deny the creator of all things created all things which humans judge as evil or good.

Today we are experiencing the effects of their bad choice. But in no way did God originate human suffering.

Of course he did. The character God in the story, created the people, gave them the ability to experience pain and suffering and then created consequences of pain and suffering for them to experience as well as creating a tree of good and evil, placing the temptation ( tree) in their way to cause them to choose between good and evil and its consequences.
If the God character wanted only good, or something neutral to exist, why create evil and a choice between good and evil in the first place?

The Bible says: "When under trial, let no one say: `I am being tried by God.' For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone." (James 1:13) Suffering can afflict anyone-even those who are favored by God.

If that is true, the tree of knowledge in the garden of Eden was not evil but good and not placed there to try Adam or Eve to see if they would obey or disobey but was there for a different reason. What might that different reason be? If someone needs to give you a choice to try your faithfulness or faith, they are trying you.
So please explain how the tree of knowledge placed in the garden was not a way to try Adam and Eve? Who placed it there? God or Satan? If Satan placed it there and it was not good for food, why did God not remove it and replace it with knowledge which was good for food?
Joshua_Verum
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1/1/2016 9:56:05 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Jehovah is not happy with any of this.. It pains him deeply. However in-order to create a paradise where all humans can live under his loving care without doubt / questioning of his abilities.

It's not God's fault. It's Satan's fault for questioning him.

In Jehovah's infinite wisdom he determined that rather than destroying Satan on the spot for questioning his rulership that the only course of action was to hand his rulership over to the accuser for a short period of time in-order to prove otherwise.

I lack the wisdom to understand such a move. Personally I would have desecrated him on the spot for even thinking such thoughts. However when you examine God's decision it makes perfect sense.

If you were a father sat at a table with your family. And one of your sons walked up to you in-front of everyone and questioned your ability / right to guide the family.. Would you simply kill the son in-front of everyone? Or would that just lead to questions such as: Maybe he was right, Is he trying to hide something? No.. The ultimately wise decision would be to allow the Son to try and guide the family.

Not to mention the fact that 1/3rd of the Angels joined Satan in the rebellion. So how could Jehovah have destroyed such ones before they even rebelled against him?

The 6000 year period that Jehovah allocated to Satan to rule is about to run out.. And as you can see his rulership has brought nothing but misery, chaos and pain.. Therefor showing that God is the rightful ruler.

And right now in this horrible world we can be tempted to say you should have just destroyed him and lived alone.. Who cares about living forever. Once Jehovah welcomes us all in paradise and wipes the tears from our face.. Grants us the desires of our hearts. We'll be glad he didn't :P
(Matthew 24:14:) And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

The Kingdom message is reaching all corners of the globe. In 2010 alone, Jehovah"s Witnesses spent over 1.6 billion hours proclaiming this good news in 236 lands. Over the past decade, they have produced and distributed more than 20 billion items of literature.

https://www.jw.org...
JJ50
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1/1/2016 11:05:38 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 9:56:05 AM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
Jehovah is not happy with any of this.. It pains him deeply. However in-order to create a paradise where all humans can live under his loving care without doubt / questioning of his abilities.

It's not God's fault. It's Satan's fault for questioning him.

In Jehovah's infinite wisdom he determined that rather than destroying Satan on the spot for questioning his rulership that the only course of action was to hand his rulership over to the accuser for a short period of time in-order to prove otherwise.

I lack the wisdom to understand such a move. Personally I would have desecrated him on the spot for even thinking such thoughts. However when you examine God's decision it makes perfect sense.

If you were a father sat at a table with your family. And one of your sons walked up to you in-front of everyone and questioned your ability / right to guide the family.. Would you simply kill the son in-front of everyone? Or would that just lead to questions such as: Maybe he was right, Is he trying to hide something? No.. The ultimately wise decision would be to allow the Son to try and guide the family.

Not to mention the fact that 1/3rd of the Angels joined Satan in the rebellion. So how could Jehovah have destroyed such ones before they even rebelled against him?

The 6000 year period that Jehovah allocated to Satan to rule is about to run out.. And as you can see his rulership has brought nothing but misery, chaos and pain.. Therefor showing that God is the rightful ruler.

And right now in this horrible world we can be tempted to say you should have just destroyed him and lived alone.. Who cares about living forever. Once Jehovah welcomes us all in paradise and wipes the tears from our face.. Grants us the desires of our hearts. We'll be glad he didn't :P

Even if the unpleasant deity exists, you don't know what it thinks!
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1/1/2016 12:31:09 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/1/2016 12:19:13 AM, Joshua_Verum wrote:
The Bible emphatically answers no! Suffering was not part of Jehovah God's purpose for mankind. However, the first human couple rebelled against God's rulership, choosing to set their own standards of good and bad. They turned away from God and suffered the consequences.

Today we are experiencing the effects of their bad choice. But in no way did God originate human suffering.

The Bible says: "When under trial, let no one say: `I am being tried by God.' For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone." (James 1:13) Suffering can afflict anyone-even those who are favored by God.

The Bible reveals that Satan the Devil is a real person who, like a powerful criminal kingpin, sees to it that his will is accomplished through "lying signs" and "deception." In fact, he "keeps transforming himself into an angel of light," says the Bible. (2 Thessalonians 2:9, 10; 2 Corinthians 11:14) The Devil's existence can be perceived by the damage he causes.

However, the Devil is not responsible for all suffering. Why not? God created humans with the capacity to choose between doing good and doing bad. (Joshua 24:15) When we make poor choices, we reap bad consequences.-Galatians 6:7, 8.

You are absolutely correct.

We reap what we sow.

People try to make the case that the True God is some sort of tyrant, but it is people who are tyrants, not God. God calls for us to do good to one another, even to our enemies.

That can be nearly impossible for man, but with God all things are possible.

Even Stephen when he was stoned to death, before he died he said:

Acts 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

Following the example of Jesus:

Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

God has always required mercy, unlike humanity as a large portion of history reveals,