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Homophobia is Not Wrong Because it is Natural

Fatihah
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1/4/2016 6:33:08 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
A gay man walks pass a heterosexual man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the cap out of him.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many homophobic people, he just becomes enraged and develops the sudden urge to beat him up.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?
DanneJeRusse
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1/4/2016 6:48:55 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 6:33:08 PM, Fatihah wrote:
A gay man walks pass a heterosexual man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the cap out of him.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many homophobic people, he just becomes enraged and develops the sudden urge to beat him up.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?

It is natural for people to develop mental disorders that cause them to become enraged and violent. Seeking professional help can sometimes remedy that situation. Do you need a referral?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
Fatihah
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1/4/2016 6:53:49 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 6:48:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

It is natural for people to develop mental disorders that cause them to become enraged and violent. Seeking professional help can sometimes remedy that situation. Do you need a referral?

Response: No, since it is natural. Just like it is natural for people to develop a mental disorder and seek to have sex with the same sex and for people to support the act. Seeking professional help can sometimes remedy the situation? Do you need a referral.
Harikrish
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1/4/2016 7:00:57 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 6:33:08 PM, Fatihah wrote:
A gay man walks pass a heterosexual man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the cap out of him.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many homophobic people, he just becomes enraged and develops the sudden urge to beat him up.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?

It will soon be natural to react the same way when a Muslim passes a free man. Donald Trump will even legalize and encourage violence against Muslims as a patriotic reaction.
Xaxyx
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1/4/2016 7:04:21 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
A heterosexual man walks past a woman. The man instantly feels the urge to throw the woman on the ground and have sex with her.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many heterosexual people, he just became aroused and developed the sudden urge to have sex with her.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?
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1/4/2016 7:06:04 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 6:53:49 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/4/2016 6:48:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:

It is natural for people to develop mental disorders that cause them to become enraged and violent. Seeking professional help can sometimes remedy that situation. Do you need a referral?

Response: No, since it is natural. Just like it is natural for people to develop a mental disorder and seek to have sex with the same sex and for people to support the act. Seeking professional help can sometimes remedy the situation? Do you need a referral.

Ouch
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1/4/2016 7:07:11 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 6:48:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 1/4/2016 6:33:08 PM, Fatihah wrote:
A gay man walks pass a heterosexual man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the cap out of him.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many homophobic people, he just becomes enraged and develops the sudden urge to beat him up.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?

It is natural for people to develop mental disorders that cause them to become enraged and violent. Seeking professional help can sometimes remedy that situation. Do you need a referral?

So being repulsed by homosexual behaviour is a mental disorder? Or the act of violence against homosexuals?
johnlubba
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1/4/2016 7:08:58 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 6:33:08 PM, Fatihah wrote:
A gay man walks pass a heterosexual man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the cap out of him.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many homophobic people, he just becomes enraged and develops the sudden urge to beat him up.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?

I don't think you can justify the act of violence in your analogy.

Try again
Harikrish
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1/4/2016 7:09:04 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:04:21 PM, Xaxyx wrote:
A heterosexual man walks past a woman. The man instantly feels the urge to throw the woman on the ground and have sex with her.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many heterosexual people, he just became aroused and developed the sudden urge to have sex with her.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?

It might be a natural urge but it is not legal anymore than the same man wanting to rape your mother or sister.
Xaxyx
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1/4/2016 7:12:23 PM
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It might be a natural urge but it is not legal anymore than the same man wanting to rape your mother or sister.

The question wasn't put forth whether or not an action was legal. The question was put forth as to whether or not an action was *wrong*. Is it wrong to commit rape? Is the fact that the urge to rape is supposedly "natural" -- as you just asserted -- a factor in determining whether or not rape is wrong?
Fatihah
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1/4/2016 7:12:27 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:00:57 PM, Harikrish wrote:

It will soon be natural to react the same way when a Muslim passes a free man. Donald Trump will even legalize and encourage violence against Muslims as a patriotic reaction.

Response: Law is not what makes nature. Yet he should also legalize bullying homosexuals as well since it is also natural.
Fatihah
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1/4/2016 7:14:54 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:04:21 PM, Xaxyx wrote:
A heterosexual man walks past a woman. The man instantly feels the urge to throw the woman on the ground and have sex with her.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many heterosexual people, he just became aroused and developed the sudden urge to have sex with her.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?

Response: Exactly.
Burzmali
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1/4/2016 7:15:12 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 6:33:08 PM, Fatihah wrote:
A gay man walks pass a heterosexual man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the cap out of him.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many homophobic people, he just becomes enraged and develops the sudden urge to beat him up.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?

How did the straight guy know the other guy was gay?

Also, the "fight" response is triggered by perception of a threat. How, exactly, did the straight guy become an adult without having his masculine identity informed by society such that homosexuality has become a threat to him? Was he raised by wolves in a cave?
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1/4/2016 7:16:21 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 6:33:08 PM, Fatihah wrote:
A gay man walks pass a heterosexual man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the cap out of him.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many homophobic people, he just becomes enraged and develops the sudden urge to beat him up.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?

Hatred is not natural, it is taught to us by people we respect.
Most of your homophobic people just came from church or prison.
Fatihah
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1/4/2016 7:19:28 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:08:58 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 1/4/2016 6:33:08 PM, Fatihah wrote:
A gay man walks pass a heterosexual man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the cap out of him.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many homophobic people, he just becomes enraged and develops the sudden urge to beat him up.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?


I don't think you can justify the act of violence in your analogy.

Try again

Response: If it's natural, nature justified it.
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1/4/2016 7:21:47 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Response: Exactly.

Great! So let's keep going with the analogy:

- A straight man walks past another straight man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the crap out of him. Is this wrong?

- A Christian man walks past a Muslim man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the crap out of him. Is this wrong?

- A boy walks past another boy. The boy instantly feels the urge to beat him up and steal his lunch money. Is this wrong?
Fatihah
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1/4/2016 7:23:56 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:15:12 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 1/4/2016 6:33:08 PM, Fatihah wrote:
A gay man walks pass a heterosexual man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the cap out of him.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many homophobic people, he just becomes enraged and develops the sudden urge to beat him up.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?

How did the straight guy know the other guy was gay?

Also, the "fight" response is triggered by perception of a threat. How, exactly, did the straight guy become an adult without having his masculine identity informed by society such that homosexuality has become a threat to him? Was he raised by wolves in a cave?

Response: He was told he was gay or he was feminine. Knowing that, the urge to beat him up came over.

The fight is not triggered by a threat, since no one threatened him. Many homophobic men cannot bear the sight of seeing or being around a gay man. I don't see or know this to occur with lesbians.
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1/4/2016 7:24:02 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 6:33:08 PM, Fatihah wrote:
A gay man walks pass a heterosexual man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the cap out of him.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many homophobic people, he just becomes enraged and develops the sudden urge to beat him up.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?

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1/4/2016 7:27:23 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:19:28 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/4/2016 7:08:58 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 1/4/2016 6:33:08 PM, Fatihah wrote:
A gay man walks pass a heterosexual man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the cap out of him.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many homophobic people, he just becomes enraged and develops the sudden urge to beat him up.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?


I don't think you can justify the act of violence in your analogy.

Try again

Response: If it's natural, nature justified it.

It's natural to get angry and want to kill someone, but violence is in most cases never justified.

Try agin
Fatihah
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1/4/2016 7:30:14 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:16:21 PM, missmedic wrote:

Hatred is not natural, it is taught to us by people we respect.
Most of your homophobic people just came from church or prison.

Response: If it was not taught to him, then the hatred is natural. Where did they get it from?

A feminine or gay man can walk pass or sit next to a straight man right now and you can visibly see the man become enraged. No one taught him to be that way.
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1/4/2016 7:35:13 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:30:14 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/4/2016 7:16:21 PM, missmedic wrote:

Hatred is not natural, it is taught to us by people we respect.
Most of your homophobic people just came from church or prison.

Response: If it was not taught to him, then the hatred is natural. Where did they get it from?

A feminine or gay man can walk pass or sit next to a straight man right now and you can visibly see the man become enraged. No one taught him to be that way.

Men like you described are secretly homosexual and feel deep shame and confusion.
http://youreadygrandma.com...
Fatihah
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1/4/2016 7:37:51 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:27:23 PM, johnlubba wrote:

It's natural to get angry and want to kill someone, but violence is in most cases never justified.

Try agin

Response: And in some cases it is justified.

Try again.
Fatihah
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1/4/2016 7:39:30 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:35:13 PM, missmedic wrote:

Men like you described are secretly homosexual and feel deep shame and confusion.
http://youreadygrandma.com...

Response: They are heterosexuals reacting to nature.
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1/4/2016 7:40:16 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:12:27 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/4/2016 7:00:57 PM, Harikrish wrote:

It will soon be natural to react the same way when a Muslim passes a free man. Donald Trump will even legalize and encourage violence against Muslims as a patriotic reaction.

Response: Law is not what makes nature. Yet he should also legalize bullying homosexuals as well since it is also natural.

Gay rights are legal because it is natural. Violence against gays is illegal. But violence against Muslims will be soon be natural and legal when Trump is elected.
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1/4/2016 7:42:47 PM
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At 1/4/2016 7:40:16 PM, Harikrish wrote:

Gay rights are legal because it is natural. Violence against gays is illegal. But violence against Muslims will be soon be natural and legal when Trump is elected.

Response: Then beating up gays should also be legal because it is natural.
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1/4/2016 7:45:01 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:12:23 PM, Xaxyx wrote:
It might be a natural urge but it is not legal anymore than the same man wanting to rape your mother or sister.

The question wasn't put forth whether or not an action was legal. The question was put forth as to whether or not an action was *wrong*. Is it wrong to commit rape? Is the fact that the urge to rape is supposedly "natural" -- as you just asserted -- a factor in determining whether or not rape is wrong?

You should read your own post where you question what is wrong with rape if it is natural.

"At 1/4/2016 7:04:21 PM, Xaxyx wrote:
A heterosexual man walks past a woman. The man instantly feels the urge to throw the woman on the ground and have sex with her.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many heterosexual people, he just became aroused and developed the sudden urge to have sex with her.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?"
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1/4/2016 7:50:29 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:42:47 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/4/2016 7:40:16 PM, Harikrish wrote:

Gay rights are legal because it is natural. Violence against gays is illegal. But violence against Muslims will be soon be natural and legal when Trump is elected.

Response: Then beating up gays should also be legal because it is natural.
Beating up anyone is illegal nor is it natural because humans are social animals. But Muslims are anti-social, hide behind turbans and cover their faces and are taught 164 jihad verses against infidels. The reaction against Muslims are therefore natural and will be legal after Trump is elected.
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1/4/2016 7:57:48 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/4/2016 7:45:01 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 1/4/2016 7:12:23 PM, Xaxyx wrote:
It might be a natural urge but it is not legal anymore than the same man wanting to rape your mother or sister.

The question wasn't put forth whether or not an action was legal. The question was put forth as to whether or not an action was *wrong*. Is it wrong to commit rape? Is the fact that the urge to rape is supposedly "natural" -- as you just asserted -- a factor in determining whether or not rape is wrong?

You should read your own post where you question what is wrong with rape if it is natural.

I don't really need to read it again, since I wrote it. Do you have any answers to the questions? Or are you just going to re-post my post over and over again?
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1/4/2016 7:58:30 PM
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At 1/4/2016 7:37:51 PM, Fatihah wrote:
Response: And in some cases it is justified.
When is it not justified?
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1/4/2016 8:07:30 PM
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At 1/4/2016 7:07:11 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 1/4/2016 6:48:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 1/4/2016 6:33:08 PM, Fatihah wrote:
A gay man walks pass a heterosexual man. The man instantly feels the urge to punch him in the face and beat the cap out of him.

No one encouraged him to do so. Nor did he read a religious book telling him to do so. Like many homophobic people, he just becomes enraged and develops the sudden urge to beat him up.

Why is this wrong since it is natural?

It is natural for people to develop mental disorders that cause them to become enraged and violent. Seeking professional help can sometimes remedy that situation. Do you need a referral?

So being repulsed by homosexual behaviour is a mental disorder?

Perhaps, that very well could be a reason for being repulsed, there are probably others as well, all of which point to the origins of the problem as the one who is repulsed.

Or the act of violence against homosexuals?

Most certainly, any acts of violence can and have been diagnosed as being caused by mental disorders. There are probably other reasons, as well, none of which can be attributed to the fault of anyone other than the person committing the violence.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth