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Do rabbits make mistakes?

DPMartin
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1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.
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1/8/2016 4:08:11 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

You could always ask a rabbit?
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1/8/2016 4:54:11 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

Well a mistake is when an intentioned action does not come to fruition, or an oversight when assessing said intended action.
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1/8/2016 6:18:54 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:08:11 PM, be_diligent wrote:
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

You could always ask a rabbit?

Got a few of them running around here, none of them are saying much. I don't think that's an option.
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1/8/2016 6:27:45 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:54:11 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

Well a mistake is when an intentioned action does not come to fruition, or an oversight when assessing said intended action.

So, was the rabbit in error or fault in thought or action. Or is the way of the flesh always the same, relying on the senses given it. And if so, then how can that be an error? The rabbit could have done this day in day out, but this time the fox was waiting.
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1/8/2016 6:39:38 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 6:27:45 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:54:11 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

Well a mistake is when an intentioned action does not come to fruition, or an oversight when assessing said intended action.

So, was the rabbit in error or fault in thought or action. Or is the way of the flesh always the same, relying on the senses given it. And if so, then how can that be an error? The rabbit could have done this day in day out, but this time the fox was waiting.

Yes we rely on our senses and sometimes the senses can be wrong....... what point are you trying to make?
Deb-8-A-Bull
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1/8/2016 6:40:43 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

Rabbit did no wrong. The fox took advantage of this. His smarter If the rabbit gets away it may learn, but rabbits ain't the smartest of animals , apart from the fact that they breed quick and frequently, wich is smart. I thinks rabbits do know not to travel far from the Warren . That's why they live like that.
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1/8/2016 6:50:35 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 6:40:43 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

Rabbit did no wrong. The fox took advantage of this. His smarter If the rabbit gets away it may learn, but rabbits ain't the smartest of animals , apart from the fact that they breed quick and frequently, wich is smart. I thinks rabbits do know not to travel far from the Warren . That's why they live like that.

Whether the rabbit did any "wrong" can only be ascertained after the fact of being caught by Mr Fox. If the Fox wasn't hunting the rabbit that day the Rabbit would have survived, so in theory the Fox is the deciding factor in whether or not the rabbit is "wrong" for foraging out in the open.
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1/8/2016 7:04:45 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 6:50:35 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:40:43 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

Rabbit did no wrong. The fox took advantage of this. His smarter If the rabbit gets away it may learn, but rabbits ain't the smartest of animals , apart from the fact that they breed quick and frequently, wich is smart. I thinks rabbits do know not to travel far from the Warren . That's why they live like that.

Whether the rabbit did any "wrong" can only be ascertained after the fact of being caught by Mr Fox. If the Fox wasn't hunting the rabbit that day the Rabbit would have survived, so in theory the Fox is the deciding factor in whether or not the rabbit is "wrong" for foraging out in the open.

Old person goes to the shop for food but gets bashed and robbed on the way . That's a intentioned action not coming to fruition. That's not a mistake from the old person . That's getting taken advantage of.
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1/8/2016 7:11:46 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 7:04:45 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:50:35 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:40:43 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

Rabbit did no wrong. The fox took advantage of this. His smarter If the rabbit gets away it may learn, but rabbits ain't the smartest of animals , apart from the fact that they breed quick and frequently, wich is smart. I thinks rabbits do know not to travel far from the Warren . That's why they live like that.

Whether the rabbit did any "wrong" can only be ascertained after the fact of being caught by Mr Fox. If the Fox wasn't hunting the rabbit that day the Rabbit would have survived, so in theory the Fox is the deciding factor in whether or not the rabbit is "wrong" for foraging out in the open.


Old person goes to the shop for food but gets bashed and robbed on the way . That's a intentioned action not coming to fruition. That's not a mistake from the old person . That's getting taken advantage of.

Are you sure the old person didn't make a mistake? He assessed the situation as safe, the situation was not safe, surely that means he was mistaken in terms of his safety.
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1/8/2016 7:32:58 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 7:11:46 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 7:04:45 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:50:35 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:40:43 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

Rabbit did no wrong. The fox took advantage of this. His smarter If the rabbit gets away it may learn, but rabbits ain't the smartest of animals , apart from the fact that they breed quick and frequently, wich is smart. I thinks rabbits do know not to travel far from the Warren . That's why they live like that.

Whether the rabbit did any "wrong" can only be ascertained after the fact of being caught by Mr Fox. If the Fox wasn't hunting the rabbit that day the Rabbit would have survived, so in theory the Fox is the deciding factor in whether or not the rabbit is "wrong" for foraging out in the open.


Old person goes to the shop for food but gets bashed and robbed on the way . That's a intentioned action not coming to fruition. That's not a mistake from the old person . That's getting taken advantage of.

Are you sure the old person didn't make a mistake? He assessed the situation as safe, the situation was not safe, surely that means he was mistaken in terms of his safety.

The randomness of being takin advantage of and the fact it's unprovoked . Nothing can " prepare " you for that . Like someone driving through a intersection and killing you. Or asleep at home and a car crashes into your room killing you . Intentioned action . Going to bed and not coming to fruition. Dying. It's not a mistake.on your part It's just there is no preparation. Random . Someone else's mistake and mistakes can happen.
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1/8/2016 11:32:11 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 6:39:38 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:27:45 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:54:11 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

Well a mistake is when an intentioned action does not come to fruition, or an oversight when assessing said intended action.

So, was the rabbit in error or fault in thought or action. Or is the way of the flesh always the same, relying on the senses given it. And if so, then how can that be an error? The rabbit could have done this day in day out, but this time the fox was waiting.

Yes we rely on our senses and sometimes the senses can be wrong....... what point are you trying to make?

My point exactly, how can the rabbits senses be wrong? If his senses inform him there is nothing that they can sense that he should worry about, then how can they be wrong?
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1/8/2016 11:43:38 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 7:32:58 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 1/8/2016 7:11:46 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 7:04:45 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:50:35 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:40:43 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

Rabbit did no wrong. The fox took advantage of this. His smarter If the rabbit gets away it may learn, but rabbits ain't the smartest of animals , apart from the fact that they breed quick and frequently, wich is smart. I thinks rabbits do know not to travel far from the Warren . That's why they live like that.

Whether the rabbit did any "wrong" can only be ascertained after the fact of being caught by Mr Fox. If the Fox wasn't hunting the rabbit that day the Rabbit would have survived, so in theory the Fox is the deciding factor in whether or not the rabbit is "wrong" for foraging out in the open.


Old person goes to the shop for food but gets bashed and robbed on the way . That's a intentioned action not coming to fruition. That's not a mistake from the old person . That's getting taken advantage of.

Are you sure the old person didn't make a mistake? He assessed the situation as safe, the situation was not safe, surely that means he was mistaken in terms of his safety.

The randomness of being takin advantage of and the fact it's unprovoked . Nothing can " prepare " you for that . Like someone driving through a intersection and killing you. Or asleep at home and a car crashes into your room killing you . Intentioned action . Going to bed and not coming to fruition. Dying. It's not a mistake.on your part It's just there is no preparation. Random . Someone else's mistake and mistakes can happen.

So if this old man was an ex navy SEAL for example do you think he would have sensed someone with the intention to harm him was approaching and be able to avoid the impending attack? Now that is an extreme example, but the point I'm making is the old man in your scenario could have been walking to the shop's with loads of money hanging out his pockets whilst wearing headphones that would impair his hearing. In that scanario the old man has not taken sensible preventative measures to remain safe. One could call this a mistake.
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1/8/2016 11:45:42 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 11:32:11 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:39:38 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:27:45 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:54:11 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

Well a mistake is when an intentioned action does not come to fruition, or an oversight when assessing said intended action.

So, was the rabbit in error or fault in thought or action. Or is the way of the flesh always the same, relying on the senses given it. And if so, then how can that be an error? The rabbit could have done this day in day out, but this time the fox was waiting.

Yes we rely on our senses and sometimes the senses can be wrong....... what point are you trying to make?


My point exactly, how can the rabbits senses be wrong? If his senses inform him there is nothing that they can sense that he should worry about, then how can they be wrong?

You serious? You think your senses are always 100% accurate 100% of the time.
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1/9/2016 1:39:08 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 11:45:42 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 11:32:11 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:39:38 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:27:45 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:54:11 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

Well a mistake is when an intentioned action does not come to fruition, or an oversight when assessing said intended action.

So, was the rabbit in error or fault in thought or action. Or is the way of the flesh always the same, relying on the senses given it. And if so, then how can that be an error? The rabbit could have done this day in day out, but this time the fox was waiting.

Yes we rely on our senses and sometimes the senses can be wrong....... what point are you trying to make?


My point exactly, how can the rabbits senses be wrong? If his senses inform him there is nothing that they can sense that he should worry about, then how can they be wrong?

You serious? You think your senses are always 100% accurate 100% of the time.

Where did you get the idea that the rabbits sense malfunctioned?
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1/9/2016 2:10:35 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/9/2016 1:39:08 AM, DPMartin wrote:
At 1/8/2016 11:45:42 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 11:32:11 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:39:38 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 6:27:45 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:54:11 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 1/8/2016 3:43:54 PM, DPMartin wrote:
If a rabbit goes to the open to get food and a fox gets him, did the rabbit really make a mistake? If the rabbit relied on his senses and what instincts/experiences he had, then how is it that the rabbit made a mistake? If you think about it, it"s almost like the rabbit is right until proven wrong.

Well a mistake is when an intentioned action does not come to fruition, or an oversight when assessing said intended action.

So, was the rabbit in error or fault in thought or action. Or is the way of the flesh always the same, relying on the senses given it. And if so, then how can that be an error? The rabbit could have done this day in day out, but this time the fox was waiting.

Yes we rely on our senses and sometimes the senses can be wrong....... what point are you trying to make?


My point exactly, how can the rabbits senses be wrong? If his senses inform him there is nothing that they can sense that he should worry about, then how can they be wrong?

You serious? You think your senses are always 100% accurate 100% of the time.

Where did you get the idea that the rabbits sense malfunctioned?

Why don't you answer the question I put to you?

I did not say the rabbits senses malfunctioned. I said that it is possible for them to malfunction.