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10/21/2010 12:18:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I don't think we've ever had a thread on this before so I decided to make one.

If I had known about LaVeyan Satanism during my Capitalist days I certainly would have gone for it.

How many Satanists do we have here? And what is your opinion on it?
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10/21/2010 12:22:41 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
It is a rather empty religion... is it even a religion. It's tenets just seem to be,
1: You da man! Yea YOU!
2: Be good to yourself.
3: Sex is great.
4: Christians are hypocrites.
5: Now cast some spells.
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10/21/2010 12:48:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Well Dakota Spann, since you invited me here... lol!

Satanism basically comes down to three our four denomonations.

There's Laveyan Satanism. You already heard of that. Self righteouss goth blokes who like to toot their own horn. You don't need Satan to do that. And infact, Satan is probably the WORST entity to go too for that. You're probably looking for Asmodeous (lust), Mammon (greed), or maybe even Lucifer (pride). But Satan is the arch devil of wrath. Yes, I'm throwing a bit of Catholiscm in there. Most people think I'm into Santhania. Or however the hell you spell it. Basically "Catholic voodoo". I kid you not. It actually runs in my family, but my mother made sure to not expose me to it. She's Wiccan, which really is a whole lot worse if you ask me. Mostly because it's more contrived BULLCRAP...

Anyway... then there's theistic Satanism. These guys are weird. They're not all teenagers killing cats for rituals. But they are willing to form secret sex cults and molest children for mana. I met a head preist of a theistic Satanist group. And he went on and on about how not only was having sex with little boys exciting and pleasurable, but it gave him power and prestige. He got fine women, respect, money, etc. I'm sure he did, I'm sure there's something to it. But it goes against "the code". My Dexter Morgan like code... though I'm less offended by pedophilia then outright homosexuality. It has to do with that whole "consent" thing that really burns me up. I think "consent" is a big load. It's pretencious, and more evils are done in the name of consent then ever done out of coercion. Coercion does not test your character or put you into doubt.

Then there's Luciferians. These are the worst kind. These guys want a world that basically is as hendonistic and depraved as theistic Satanists are, but do not do it solely for the power and glory. And that makes them even more frightening. Is the fact that they are just so twisted and far gone, that they think this is how the world should be. A nihilistic hell hole, where there's nothing to look forward too. A dull and bleak world without love, passion, or triumph. They talk about a "higher self". But can they explain this higher self? Ofcourse they can't. There is no higher self. None other then the pursuit of being higher then the pricks around you that is. To gain power, to gain effection, to gain comfort, THAT is the higher self. But one must always stick to their principles. Without the principles, life just loses all meaning... I had to hit rock bottom before I realized that. I've been a slave, I've been a master, and I choose a third path. Which is how I believe "Satan" would have it...

My fourth "Satanism", tends to get alot of flack. Especially from Laveyans. Luciferians don't like the negative condontations of Satanism anyway, and theistic Satanists just don't care as they're engrossed in themselves and their own nefarious schemes. My idea of Satanism is basically Warhammer 40k come to life. "In the grimdarkness of the future... there is only war!" It's an agonostic, polytheistic view, that we are influenced by etetities not of matter, but of mind. Of concept. One must always have principles inorder to live... these principles manifest into physical beings. Pure thought forms, that we may or may not have had a part in creating. Perhaps they did create us, but we continue to mold and change them... It all gets really confusing and messy if I keep going. With alot of pardoxes. But then, thats the main point. Life is a paradox. It's a chaotic piece of donkey excretment. Involving pain, stryfe, struggle, and regret. It seems life can't seem to bother to be anything else but evil or weird, evil or weird. People are either too horrible to look at, or too dumb to live. And given that choice, I'll take irrational anyday... Maybe thats why we serve ridiculous gods that make no sense such as Jehova, Christ, Allah... because it's better to have a batshit crazy god then a cold and calculated one. We've seen the horrific ways gods acted in greek and roman times prior to the Christian revolution. We can say it was their culture, and the gods matched the culture. But what made the culture that way? What influenced the culture? And if you go before that, gods weren't much better...

Hell, to this day they still aren't better. You ever really listend to what a pagan prays too? It's a dystopian novel waiting to happen. And here I am, just saying do what you gotta' do to survive. I'm not so neurotic as to claim there isn't supernatural forces, when all evidence points to the contrary both in my personal life and other people's stories. We can't all just be hallucinating or mistakingly confusing everything we encounter with something perfectly rational. I'm sure the things we see, feel, experience do have some rationality. IE: "It's a ghost, and you just got ghost raped". Thats rational enough.

I just want the good people to have good stuff, and the bad people to have bad stuff. People that ban me from forums should die in fires or of lucemia. My friends should have hot women and lots of money. I want to see the good ones be happy and the bad ones suffer. And people worry about all the philosophical connundrums of what it all means. Is it hypocritical? Is it rational? Is it true?

All I think about is how can religion, science, and my personal worldview help me see more smiles on people I care about faces, and more tears from the ones I hate? So in some ways, I stay true to the core values of Laveyan Satanism. But in my religion, indulgence is not something to be proud of or condone. Sexual liberation is to be eradicated. I'd prefer people be completely asexual to be quite honest, and most importantly, everyone must have their own code. That is their power. Well... that a gun. But the code gives them a reason to use a gun, a muse to how they can change their life or the world with a gun. I think my core principles are my real gun. Maybe this is why everyone calls me a D&D paladin. "Lawful good doesn't mean lawful nice..." lol!
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10/21/2010 1:09:10 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/21/2010 12:48:18 AM, JimProfit wrote:
Well Dakota Spann, since you invited me here... lol!

Satanism basically comes down to three our four denomonations.

There's Laveyan Satanism. You already heard of that. Self righteouss goth blokes who like to toot their own horn. You don't need Satan to do that. And infact, Satan is probably the WORST entity to go too for that. You're probably looking for Asmodeous (lust), Mammon (greed), or maybe even Lucifer (pride). But Satan is the arch devil of wrath. Yes, I'm throwing a bit of Catholiscm in there. Most people think I'm into Santhania. Or however the hell you spell it. Basically "Catholic voodoo". I kid you not. It actually runs in my family, but my mother made sure to not expose me to it. She's Wiccan, which really is a whole lot worse if you ask me. Mostly because it's more contrived BULLCRAP...

Anyway... then there's theistic Satanism. These guys are weird. They're not all teenagers killing cats for rituals. But they are willing to form secret sex cults and molest children for mana. I met a head preist of a theistic Satanist group. And he went on and on about how not only was having sex with little boys exciting and pleasurable, but it gave him power and prestige. He got fine women, respect, money, etc. I'm sure he did, I'm sure there's something to it. But it goes against "the code". My Dexter Morgan like code... though I'm less offended by pedophilia then outright homosexuality. It has to do with that whole "consent" thing that really burns me up. I think "consent" is a big load. It's pretencious, and more evils are done in the name of consent then ever done out of coercion. Coercion does not test your character or put you into doubt.

Then there's Luciferians. These are the worst kind. These guys want a world that basically is as hendonistic and depraved as theistic Satanists are, but do not do it solely for the power and glory. And that makes them even more frightening. Is the fact that they are just so twisted and far gone, that they think this is how the world should be. A nihilistic hell hole, where there's nothing to look forward too. A dull and bleak world without love, passion, or triumph. They talk about a "higher self". But can they explain this higher self? Ofcourse they can't. There is no higher self. None other then the pursuit of being higher then the pricks around you that is. To gain power, to gain effection, to gain comfort, THAT is the higher self. But one must always stick to their principles. Without the principles, life just loses all meaning... I had to hit rock bottom before I realized that. I've been a slave, I've been a master, and I choose a third path. Which is how I believe "Satan" would have it...


My fourth "Satanism", tends to get alot of flack. Especially from Laveyans. Luciferians don't like the negative condontations of Satanism anyway, and theistic Satanists just don't care as they're engrossed in themselves and their own nefarious schemes. My idea of Satanism is basically Warhammer 40k come to life. "In the grimdarkness of the future... there is only war!" It's an agonostic, polytheistic view, that we are influenced by etetities not of matter, but of mind. Of concept. One must always have principles inorder to live... these principles manifest into physical beings. Pure thought forms, that we may or may not have had a part in creating. Perhaps they did create us, but we continue to mold and change them... It all gets really confusing and messy if I keep going. With alot of pardoxes. But then, thats the main point. Life is a paradox. It's a chaotic piece of donkey excretment. Involving pain, stryfe, struggle, and regret. It seems life can't seem to bother to be anything else but evil or weird, evil or weird. People are either too horrible to look at, or too dumb to live. And given that choice, I'll take irrational anyday... Maybe thats why we serve ridiculous gods that make no sense such as Jehova, Christ, Allah... because it's better to have a batshit crazy god then a cold and calculated one. We've seen the horrific ways gods acted in greek and roman times prior to the Christian revolution. We can say it was their culture, and the gods matched the culture. But what made the culture that way? What influenced the culture? And if you go before that, gods weren't much better...

Hell, to this day they still aren't better. You ever really listend to what a pagan prays too? It's a dystopian novel waiting to happen. And here I am, just saying do what you gotta' do to survive. I'm not so neurotic as to claim there isn't supernatural forces, when all evidence points to the contrary both in my personal life and other people's stories. We can't all just be hallucinating or mistakingly confusing everything we encounter with something perfectly rational. I'm sure the things we see, feel, experience do have some rationality. IE: "It's a ghost, and you just got ghost raped". Thats rational enough.


I just want the good people to have good stuff, and the bad people to have bad stuff. People that ban me from forums should die in fires or of lucemia. My friends should have hot women and lots of money. I want to see the good ones be happy and the bad ones suffer. And people worry about all the philosophical connundrums of what it all means. Is it hypocritical? Is it rational? Is it true?

All I think about is how can religion, science, and my personal worldview help me see more smiles on people I care about faces, and more tears from the ones I hate? So in some ways, I stay true to the core values of Laveyan Satanism. But in my religion, indulgence is not something to be proud of or condone. Sexual liberation is to be eradicated. I'd prefer people be completely asexual to be quite honest, and most importantly, everyone must have their own code. That is their power. Well... that a gun. But the code gives them a reason to use a gun, a muse to how they can change their life or the world with a gun. I think my core principles are my real gun. Maybe this is why everyone calls me a D&D paladin. "Lawful good doesn't mean lawful nice..." lol!



You're truly one of the most interesting people I've communicated with.
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10/21/2010 3:58:46 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Awesome post Jim.
I read the Satanic bible for a giggle once. I liked how it started by blatently saying the whole thing was made-up rubbish.
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10/21/2010 12:52:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/21/2010 3:58:46 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Awesome post Jim.
I read the Satanic bible for a giggle once. I liked how it started by blatently saying the whole thing was made-up rubbish.

Lol, that's so funny.
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10/21/2010 11:49:17 PM
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I base my life in some weird twist between LeVay Satanism, and Moderate Christianity. Basic principles. Your needs come first, then the needs of your family and friends, then come your wants, then theirs. Children and animals should NEVER be sacrificed, or harmed when it is not needed (for food, or looking out for their own long-term safety), you should give to others, care for the world, look out for fellow humans, and then also do what you want. Nothing wrong with porn, or going after making money, or trying to impress someone, nothing wrong with being gay, nothing wrong with wanting to eat more than you need, or wanting to look good, nothing wrong with learning, there is most likely no god or supernatural being, etc.

Most of those are Satanic principles, and a good protion go completely against what any christian would advertise. I also do believe in bringing familes closer together, turning the other cheek for small offenses, but getting revenge for major ones (as in if its just a slap no mark, just walk away. If they pick up a brick and try to hit you but miss, pick it back up and don't miss them)
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10/22/2010 12:50:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/21/2010 12:18:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:
I don't think we've ever had a thread on this before so I decided to make one.

If I had known about LaVeyan Satanism during my Capitalist days I certainly would have gone for it.

How many Satanists do we have here? And what is your opinion on it?

I pretty much consider myself a LaVeyan Satanist. My personal ideology lines up with it almost perfectly.
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10/22/2010 12:52:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/21/2010 12:48:18 AM, JimProfit wrote:
There's Laveyan Satanism. You already heard of that. Self righteouss goth blokes who like to toot their own horn. You don't need Satan to do that. And infact, Satan is probably the WORST entity to go too for that. You're probably looking for Asmodeous (lust), Mammon (greed), or maybe even Lucifer (pride). But Satan is the arch devil of wrath. Yes, I'm throwing a bit of Catholiscm in there. Most people think I'm into Santhania. Or however the hell you spell it. Basically "Catholic voodoo". I kid you not. It actually runs in my family, but my mother made sure to not expose me to it. She's Wiccan, which really is a whole lot worse if you ask me. Mostly because it's more contrived BULLCRAP...

Don't know much about LaVeyan Satanism, do ya?
When large numbers of otherwise-law abiding people break specific laws en masse, it's usually a fault that lies with the law. - Unknown
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10/22/2010 2:40:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/22/2010 12:52:00 AM, Korashk wrote:
At 10/21/2010 12:48:18 AM, JimProfit wrote:
There's Laveyan Satanism. You already heard of that. Self righteouss goth blokes who like to toot their own horn. You don't need Satan to do that. And infact, Satan is probably the WORST entity to go too for that. You're probably looking for Asmodeous (lust), Mammon (greed), or maybe even Lucifer (pride). But Satan is the arch devil of wrath. Yes, I'm throwing a bit of Catholiscm in there. Most people think I'm into Santhania. Or however the hell you spell it. Basically "Catholic voodoo". I kid you not. It actually runs in my family, but my mother made sure to not expose me to it. She's Wiccan, which really is a whole lot worse if you ask me. Mostly because it's more contrived BULLCRAP...

Don't know much about LaVeyan Satanism, do ya?

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10/22/2010 7:13:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/21/2010 11:49:17 PM, lovelife wrote:
I base my life in some weird twist between LeVay Satanism, and Moderate Christianity. Basic principles. Your needs come first, then the needs of your family and friends, then come your wants, then theirs. Children and animals should NEVER be sacrificed, or harmed when it is not needed (for food, or looking out for their own long-term safety), you should give to others, care for the world, look out for fellow humans, and then also do what you want. Nothing wrong with porn, or going after making money, or trying to impress someone, nothing wrong with being gay, nothing wrong with wanting to eat more than you need, or wanting to look good, nothing wrong with learning, there is most likely no god or supernatural being, etc.

Most of those are Satanic principles, and a good protion go completely against what any christian would advertise. I also do believe in bringing familes closer together, turning the other cheek for small offenses, but getting revenge for major ones (as in if its just a slap no mark, just walk away. If they pick up a brick and try to hit you but miss, pick it back up and don't miss them)
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10/22/2010 8:54:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/21/2010 12:48:18 AM, JimProfit wrote:

It has to do with that whole "consent" thing that really burns me up. I think "consent" is a big load. It's pretencious, and more evils are done in the name of consent then ever done out of coercion. Coercion does not test your character or put you into doubt.

this here I actually found to be kind of a profound thought. please elaborate.

Do you think Consent in itself is more evil and thats why more is done in consent, or is more evil done in consent because its easier to convince yourself that its okay most times if consent is involved?

I my opinion its the seconded. No one likes doing things knowing its wrong in some way and when you are oppressing another choice to get what you want its hard to get around that and call it good. But Consent in itself is a good thing and thats why it's sought after to make your actions seem good to you, make it the lone qualifier.

For me to make it simpler if something is the right thing to do instead of asking is it by consent or coercion, or even 'is it good or bad', I try asking Justin Lookadoo's question 'Is it Holy?' you eliminate the gray area's with asking this instead of is it good or bad. http://www.lookadoo.com...
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10/22/2010 9:11:43 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/22/2010 7:13:34 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 10/21/2010 11:49:17 PM, lovelife wrote:
I base my life in some weird twist between LeVay Satanism, and Moderate Christianity. Basic principles. Your needs come first, then the needs of your family and friends, then come your wants, then theirs. Children and animals should NEVER be sacrificed, or harmed when it is not needed (for food, or looking out for their own long-term safety), you should give to others, care for the world, look out for fellow humans, and then also do what you want. Nothing wrong with porn, or going after making money, or trying to impress someone, nothing wrong with being gay, nothing wrong with wanting to eat more than you need, or wanting to look good, nothing wrong with learning, there is most likely no god or supernatural being, etc.

Most of those are Satanic principles, and a good protion go completely against what any christian would advertise. I also do believe in bringing familes closer together, turning the other cheek for small offenses, but getting revenge for major ones (as in if its just a slap no mark, just walk away. If they pick up a brick and try to hit you but miss, pick it back up and don't miss them)



Damn. You got that song stuck in my head.
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10/22/2010 9:20:07 AM
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i found out that my strictly muslim aunt went through a satan worshipping phase in high school a few weeks ago
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10/22/2010 9:24:09 AM
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At 10/22/2010 9:11:43 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/22/2010 7:13:34 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 10/21/2010 11:49:17 PM, lovelife wrote:
I base my life in some weird twist between LeVay Satanism, and Moderate Christianity. Basic principles. Your needs come first, then the needs of your family and friends, then come your wants, then theirs. Children and animals should NEVER be sacrificed, or harmed when it is not needed (for food, or looking out for their own long-term safety), you should give to others, care for the world, look out for fellow humans, and then also do what you want. Nothing wrong with porn, or going after making money, or trying to impress someone, nothing wrong with being gay, nothing wrong with wanting to eat more than you need, or wanting to look good, nothing wrong with learning, there is most likely no god or supernatural being, etc.

Most of those are Satanic principles, and a good protion go completely against what any christian would advertise. I also do believe in bringing familes closer together, turning the other cheek for small offenses, but getting revenge for major ones (as in if its just a slap no mark, just walk away. If they pick up a brick and try to hit you but miss, pick it back up and don't miss them)



Damn. You got that song stuck in my head.

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: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.