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1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.
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1/17/2016 1:07:51 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

The major volcanic explosion of Hekla 4 in Iceland, which spewed out massive amounts of larva, coupled with a close encounter with a passing comet and a Tunguska like fireball, are believed to have been major issues in the inundation of Island that is said to have been left waste for 30 odd years, and the devastating flood around the Mediterranean Sea, which was the known civilized world in the days of Noah around 2350 B.C, the time when this catastrophic event is said to have occurred.

Not that I believe that you would be interested in true science, but if I am wrong, then I would advise you to read the "Report on Second Cambridge Conference," an article by Mark Bailey Posted December 15 1997. Following, is a small excerpt from said article.

. Marie-Agnes Courty (CNRS, Grignon) presented new archaeological data concerning a catastrophe inferred to have occurred in the Middle East c.2350 BC. She emphasized the importance of high-time-resolution archaeological investigations in the assessment of natural catastrophes on societal collapse, the data in this case indicating the combination of a burnt surface horizon and air blast, consistent with a Tunguska-like fireball, but possibly also a major volcanic event.
The evidence for regional environmental change at about the same time was confirmed and extended by Mike Baillie (Queen"s University Belfast), whose tree-ring analyses of Irish bog oaks showed very significant narrowing of the rings around the year 2345 BC, associated with identified tephra from the Icelandic Hekla 4 volcano, dated to 2310 +/- 20 BC. This suggests a volcanic origin of the c. 2350 BC event identified by Courty, but the period in question is also associated with other events, including floods, the creation of new lakes and even the traditional start of Chinese history! In Baillie"s words, 2345 BC "is a classic marker date, i.e. a date which will show up on a regular basis in studies of various kinds".

According to the Turin papyrus list, Teti ruled for six months, and Pepi 1, began his rule after Teti, which according to some, was 33 years later, leaving a gap of 33 years between Teti and his successor Pepi, this would support the belief that some catastrophic event occurred about that time, where the evidence shows that Ireland was inundated, around the time of the eruption of Helka4 and is said to have remained desolate for 30 years. A flood of that magnitude would have surely been experienced around the Mediterranean, and perhaps Egypt was also desolate and without a king or countrymen for some thirty years also.

Do you think that the people of the pre-flood days knew that the circumference of the earth was almost 25,000 miles, or knew how many continents and islands there are on this earth? And if not, just how big do you think that their known world was?

According to the OT, it was some 400 year after the flood that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and the daughters of the righteous Lot, believed, that of every man in the world had been destroyed and only their father was the sole survivor.
And although the disgusting minds of some of those from the godless religion of atheism, would portray the actions of the girls in raping their Father after getting him intoxicated, as an act of debauchee, their intent was indeed righteous. According to their belief, their father was the sole surviving male on the planet, if they had not become pregnant by him, then in their minds, the human race would come have become extinct.

The animals that were taken into the ark, would have been those, which were chosen from the animals that had been forced to flee from the rising water to the higher ground upon which Noah would have presumably built the ark, which animals would have only been those of his known world, that was flooded around the year 2350 BC.
I believe that the flood that occurred in Noah" day, around 2,350 BC, was an event that would have been recorded and handed down by a witness of that era as a world-wide flood.
Many cultures from all across the globe report in their myths, a great flood or cataclysm which besieged the earth. The Miao flood account from China, which has 8 survivors, with Noa as their head, gives the wickedness of man as the reason for the flood, and says, "These did not God's will nor returned His affection. But fought with each other defying the Godhead. Their leaders shook fists in the face of the Mighty."

Some cultures have their ancestors surviving on giant reed beds. The Greek story has them surviving in a chest, Noah has the ark.

The survivors were often a single family. An Australian aboriginal account has Ngadgja, the Supreme One, who is the great Father, telling Gajara to take his wife, his sons, and his sons' wives.

The Masai account from East Africa has Tumbainot taking his two wives, his six sons, and their wives, the Masai like to double up.

A Hawaiian story has Nuu (Noah, Noa, Nuu.) taking his wife and three sons.

Noah took his wife, his three sons, and their wives.

Genesis describes Noah sending out birds to see if there was yet dry land.

In the Hopi account also, they sent out birds to find land.

An Australian aboriginal account has a cuckoo not returning because it found land.

The Masai account has Tumbainot sending out a dove, which returned because it had no place to rest.

The Masai account has four rainbows signifying that God's wrath was over.

A Hawaiian account has the god Kane leaving a rainbow as a perpetual sign of his forgiveness.

Genesis says that the rainbow would be a reminder that God would never again destroy the world "With a Flood."

The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 5350-6000 years ago, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, whose father "Terah" was the High Priest in the city of Ur, whose descendants have remained intact as a racial religion for some 5,000 years.
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1/17/2016 1:45:20 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

On basis of what the Bible tells, the absolute level of water didn"t have to rise, if it was the land that sunk.

In the beginning there was just one continent. When the flood came, the "fountains of great deep were burst open". That means, the continent was broken and the water below it, came flooding. And when the water escaped below the earth, the dry land sunk.

http://www.kolumbus.fi...

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

It is possible that there were for example on kind of bears and all modern different bears are offspring of those. That means, some kind of differentiation has happened after the flood. Same can be seen also in humans, from 8 people we have quite large variety of peoples nowadays.

Also it is possible that animals that went into the ark were not yet fully grown and so didn"t need as much food as adult animals.

So I don"t think it was impossible to have all needed animals into the ark.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

At that time there was just one continent and animals walk to the ark. Modern continents were formed during that flood event, when the original continents collapsed.

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

You should know that animals breed.

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

Humans reproduce quite fast even today. Why else would some try to prevent that?
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1/17/2016 2:08:23 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 1:45:20 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

On basis of what the Bible tells, the absolute level of water didn"t have to rise, if it was the land that sunk.

In the beginning there was just one continent. When the flood came, the "fountains of great deep were burst open". That means, the continent was broken and the water below it, came flooding. And when the water escaped below the earth, the dry land sunk.

http://www.kolumbus.fi...

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

It is possible that there were for example on kind of bears and all modern different bears are offspring of those. That means, some kind of differentiation has happened after the flood. Same can be seen also in humans, from 8 people we have quite large variety of peoples nowadays.

Also it is possible that animals that went into the ark were not yet fully grown and so didn"t need as much food as adult animals.

So I don"t think it was impossible to have all needed animals into the ark.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

At that time there was just one continent and animals walk to the ark. Modern continents were formed during that flood event, when the original continents collapsed.

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

You should know that animals breed.

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

Humans reproduce quite fast even today. Why else would some try to prevent that?

Not a credible explanation!

Much more credible is the story is a fairy tale.
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1/17/2016 3:26:39 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 1:07:51 PM, Gentorev wrote:

Do you think that the people of the pre-flood days knew that the circumference of the earth was almost 25,000 miles, or knew how many continents and islands there are on this earth? And if not, just how big do you think that their known world was?

That would be the very same world that God created, yes? So, why didn't God tell everyone about the rest of the world's continents and peoples? Why would God keep that a secret for the so many centuries? You would think that whatever God commanded the people of the known world to do, that would also be relevant to the rest of the unknown world, yes?

And, if there was a world flood, where did all those people in the unknown world come from?

As you can see, this amounts to evidence that the Bible was written by ignorant men.
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1/17/2016 4:43:40 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

None of these concerns serve as objective proof that there was no universal, catastrophic flood as summarized in Genesis (and many other ancient records).

There are huge assumptions inherent in your objections too, for example Genesis records that people lived for 800 even 900+ years at that time, people can generate pretty large families and clans when the live that long.
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1/17/2016 4:59:36 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 4:43:40 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

None of these concerns serve as objective proof that there was no universal, catastrophic flood as summarized in Genesis (and many other ancient records).

There is no objective proof a catastrophic flood as summarized in Genesis ever occurred, the burden of proof rests solely on those who believe such a fairy tale.

There are huge assumptions inherent in your objections too, for example Genesis records that people lived for 800 even 900+ years at that time, people can generate pretty large families and clans when the live that long.

That's just more evidence to show Genesis was written by mentally disordered men.
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1/17/2016 5:01:39 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 1:07:51 PM, Gentorev wrote:
According to the OT, it was some 400 year after the flood that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and the daughters of the righteous Lot, believed, that of every man in the world had been destroyed and only their father was the sole survivor.
And although the disgusting minds of some of those from the godless religion of atheism, would portray the actions of the girls in raping their Father after getting him intoxicated, as an act of debauchee, their intent was indeed righteous. According to their belief, their father was the sole surviving male on the planet, if they had not become pregnant by him, then in their minds, the human race would come have become extinct.
So you claim to have never been drunk? That explains your belief in that fairytale.
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1/17/2016 5:21:51 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
If your neighbor said God told him to build a boat in his backyard and save all the animals in the world, would you believe him?

Why believe the story in the first place to try to justify its validity?

How many other ancient books written by unknown authors would you believe without any evidence?

How would the animals diversify so greatly in 4000 years time? There are 8.7 million species in the world - many of which would not survive being submerged for 40 days.

The fact that the story of the flood exists all over the planet only supports the idea that the story came from pagan origins. All claims of evidence I have seen are blatant confirmation bias.

I find it disturbing that people that are otherwise intelligent and reasonable people would believe this.

There are reasons why scientists don't believe the story - no evidence. If you think you have evidence, try telling it to the scientific world and see what happens.
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1/17/2016 5:26:46 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 5:21:51 PM, matt8800 wrote:
If your neighbor said God told him to build a boat in his backyard and save all the animals in the world, would you believe him?

Why believe the story in the first place to try to justify its validity?

How many other ancient books written by unknown authors would you believe without any evidence?

How would the animals diversify so greatly in 4000 years time? There are 8.7 million species in the world - many of which would not survive being submerged for 40 days.

The fact that the story of the flood exists all over the planet only supports the idea that the story came from pagan origins. All claims of evidence I have seen are blatant confirmation bias.

I find it disturbing that people that are otherwise intelligent and reasonable people would believe this.

There are reasons why scientists don't believe the story - no evidence. If you think you have evidence, try telling it to the scientific world and see what happens.

Read The Genesis Flood written some years ago, one of the writers was a dam and waterways engineer.

The books a little dated but still full of fascinating technical geological facts hardly known to the skeptic.

http://www.amazon.com...
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1/17/2016 6:05:35 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 4:43:40 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

None of these concerns serve as objective proof that there was no universal, catastrophic flood as summarized in Genesis (and many other ancient records).

Assertions presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. A worldwide flood has been submitted without evidence - it can be dismissed on these grounds alone. If you wish to establish a worldwide flood actually happened, then you will need to substantiate the claims of the Bible. Furthermore, the OP has supported her claim that a worldwide flood per the Bible is false. If you wish to show a worldwide flood is possible, then you will need to address her points.

There are huge assumptions inherent in your objections too, for example Genesis records that people lived for 800 even 900+ years at that time, people can generate pretty large families and clans when the live that long.

The assumption that people could live to 800-900 years is yet another unsubstantiated assertion and provides no support for the original flood claim.
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1/17/2016 6:07:27 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

How did the penguins survive to make the journey and then walk their way back to Antarctica? They cannot survive warm temperatures.

Here are some other problems with the flood.
https://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com...
http://ncse.com...
http://www.talkorigins.org...
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1/17/2016 8:16:50 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

Twice I have pointed out your incredible ignorance, and twice you have refused to address that ignorance, instead hiding like a coward behind those atheists who have proven to be intelligent. I suspect that when I address this bit of ignorance, you will you once again hide from it, providing further evidence of your cowardice and stupidity.

A careful reading of the flood story shows that it was not global, which addresses all five of your erroneous points.

I addressed the issue some time ago, here: http://www.debate.org...
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1/18/2016 3:07:03 AM
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At 1/17/2016 1:20:32 PM, JJ50 wrote:
You don't have a credible explanation for the five questions I asked!

JJ50"..1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

Gentorev"""Granted, but we are talking about the witnesses KNOWN world.

JJ50"""2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

Gentorev"".. A cubit, is said to equal 48.0 to 57.6 cm, or 18.9 to 22.7 inches. Working on the lowest translation of a cubit, which is 18.9 inches, the ark would have been 472.5 feet in length.

JJ50""..3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

Gentorev""..Logic would tell us that Noah would have built his ark on the highest point of Ground in the district where he lived in order to avoid and sudden tidal surges when the fountains of the deep broke forth. All the animals of his KNOWN world, to escape the rising waters, would have migrated to the higher ground.

JJ50""".4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

Gentorev""I don"t think so matey, Noah would have needed to sacrifice only one young lamb which had been born of the ark, and a dove or two.

JJ50""".5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

Gentorev"".It was only after the flood that the age of man began to drop from near on a thousand years to just 140. Noah was 930 when his died, his second son Shem who was born before the flood, outlived Abraham who died at the age of 175, by 35 years. Most of the men had multiple wives, who each bore many children.

Genesis 6: 14; Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shall thou make in the ark and shall pitch it within and without with pitch.

Now then, just in case you don"t know what gopher wood is, let me explain before you ask.

The Hebrew letter for "K" is similar to a backward facing "C," while the Hebrew letter for "G" is also similar to a backward facing "C," with a small tail. It is easy to understand that the early scholars who translated the Hebrew to English, could mistakenly have translated, "Kopherwood" which is any wood that is covered with bitumen, as "Gopherwood."
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1/18/2016 4:04:28 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 8:16:50 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

Twice I have pointed out your incredible ignorance, and twice you have refused to address that ignorance, instead hiding like a coward behind those atheists who have proven to be intelligent. I suspect that when I address this bit of ignorance, you will you once again hide from it, providing further evidence of your cowardice and stupidity.

A careful reading of the flood story shows that it was not global, which addresses all five of your erroneous points.

I addressed the issue some time ago, here: http://www.debate.org...

According to the bible, it was global and wiped out every living thing not on the ark.

Genesis 7:20-24 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. 21 Every living thing that moved on land perished"birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark. 24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

1. It clearly says that the only animals on earth that survived were the ones on the boat.
2. This story is logistically impossible.
3. The original source of this story was from a pagan story. Even CS Lewis admitted this.
4. If the story was true, nobody would have to argue whether there was evidence or not. A near total extinction caused by a global flood that submerged the planet and all living creatures and vegetation for 150 days would have been easy to notice.
5. Nobody even knows who even started the original story! This is a pagan story telephone chain that spans thousands of years and nobody knows how it even got started.
6. The only proof that the bible is the word of god is that the bible says so. Does this make sense??

Really? You would see clearly how the scientologists stories are nuts but you have no problem believing this?
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1/18/2016 4:26:06 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/18/2016 4:04:28 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 1/17/2016 8:16:50 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

Twice I have pointed out your incredible ignorance, and twice you have refused to address that ignorance, instead hiding like a coward behind those atheists who have proven to be intelligent. I suspect that when I address this bit of ignorance, you will you once again hide from it, providing further evidence of your cowardice and stupidity.

A careful reading of the flood story shows that it was not global, which addresses all five of your erroneous points.

I addressed the issue some time ago, here: http://www.debate.org...

According to the bible, it was global and wiped out every living thing not on the ark.

Genesis 7:20-24 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. 21 Every living thing that moved on land perished"birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark. 24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

1. It clearly says that the only animals on earth that survived were the ones on the boat.
2. This story is logistically impossible.
3. The original source of this story was from a pagan story. Even CS Lewis admitted this.
4. If the story was true, nobody would have to argue whether there was evidence or not. A near total extinction caused by a global flood that submerged the planet and all living creatures and vegetation for 150 days would have been easy to notice.
5. Nobody even knows who even started the original story! This is a pagan story telephone chain that spans thousands of years and nobody knows how it even got started.
6. The only proof that the bible is the word of god is that the bible says so. Does this make sense??

Really? You would see clearly how the scientologists stories are nuts but you have no problem believing this?

You obviously didn't read what I had linked to.

Proof that C. S. Lewis attributed pagan origins to the Biblical flood please.

Proof that it has pagan origins please.

Where did I ever say anything about scientologist stories?

I never believed the Bible is true just because the Bible says so. In fact I have my share of problems with the Bible. I just don't dismiss it as easily many do.
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1/18/2016 6:54:07 AM
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At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

1. agree , but a localized flood around 10,000 B.C. is not only possible , but likely ...noah's whole world , biblical accounts are often from man's perspective .20' of rainfall , one of the largest monsoons in human history , but not enough to flood the planet , just noah's world

2.mesopotamia has around 600 mammals ...500'x90'x60' barge , not such a big deal .

3.animals often move to high ground during flooding , a huge dry cavern-like ark opening ...predators often ignore prey during natural disasters .

4. noah took 7 of each clean animal

5.not really , people die during flooding , yet new move in eventually .

I hope that helps , one love , God bless
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1/18/2016 7:15:48 AM
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At 1/17/2016 8:16:50 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

Twice I have pointed out your incredible ignorance, and twice you have refused to address that ignorance, instead hiding like a coward behind those atheists who have proven to be intelligent. I suspect that when I address this bit of ignorance, you will you once again hide from it, providing further evidence of your cowardice and stupidity.

A careful reading of the flood story shows that it was not global, which addresses all five of your erroneous points.

I addressed the issue some time ago, here: http://www.debate.org...

And Envisage supplied refutation (post #9) which went unchallenged by you:

http://www.debate.org...
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1/18/2016 7:16:07 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

What we know from the flood Myth is that , This phenomena happened across several places . So to think Noah was the only human on planet to survive is wrong .

A year ago there was a flood in Kashmir Valley . Water reached the height of 3 story buildings . People took shelter on Hill to survive .
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1/18/2016 7:23:33 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

ME: The bible tells of a swaddling band of water around the earth (First scientific of proof against the flat earth theory). this band of water made the earth a hot house, which ad tropical ferns and animals in the now arctic regions. The discoveries in the ice thaws shows that. The springs of the earth were released. There are great artesian and sub artesian basins of water under different parts of the earth now, and man has bee taking water form that source for hundreds of years. It is just starting to show depletion by the massive use and waste of resource., and of course there were already rivers and seas on the earth at that time.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures. ME: It was three floors, each the size of a football field, and only animals that couldn't survive the rise in water would be on board. A child once said of how they could all fit, and his answer was "They were all babies". He was close. There were very few animals of any great size at that time, or there were small ones of the different kinds as well as large ones..The large ones were left as God knew, even if Noah didn't, what could breed up the animal diversity of later days.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

Me: the kangaroo is a marsupial, did it have to be an actual kangaroo pair, of which there are many species. remember that God brought the animals to the Ark.

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out? ME: No remember when you re-read the story that there were seven clean animals to be taken on board, some of these were used as the sacrifice.

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population. ME: Yep, but in the act of duplication it does not take long to bonk up a mass of humans...2x2=4 4X4 =16 16 x 16 =32 then 64, then 128 and that is only one generation of the family or the first nine months.

You can take the increase in rabbits from the seven introduced animals into Australia by a pommie that wanted to have something to hunt. rabbits were introduced in 1778 and were in plague proportions by 1827, the conservative litter is 6 per rabbit but lets take that as the largest example of breeding, it would indicate that maybe animals bred faster than the humans which, sensibly would keep meat on the table. God allowed man to eat meat after the flood, before that there were no carnivorous. This is in that part of the Bible you read, as well. Go back and have another look.

Did you know that there are about 17 different ethnic tribes and races th t have a world flood story with 14 of the Biblical examples in those stories. even the Australian Aboriginal has a flood story.

http://creation.com...
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1/18/2016 7:33:22 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/18/2016 7:15:48 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/17/2016 8:16:50 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.

2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.

3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?

4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?

5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.

Twice I have pointed out your incredible ignorance, and twice you have refused to address that ignorance, instead hiding like a coward behind those atheists who have proven to be intelligent. I suspect that when I address this bit of ignorance, you will you once again hide from it, providing further evidence of your cowardice and stupidity.

A careful reading of the flood story shows that it was not global, which addresses all five of your erroneous points.

I addressed the issue some time ago, here: http://www.debate.org...

And Envisage supplied refutation (post #9) which went unchallenged by you:

http://www.debate.org...

He changed the argument to whether the flood was metaphorical and literal. The argument was about the flood being local according to the passages I presented, which could be applied in either a metaphorical or literal story. What, exactly, was his argument that I was supposed to challenge?
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1/18/2016 7:53:35 AM
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other problems with a world wide flood :
6. ocean currents , a barge leaving Mesopotamia lands in Mesopotamia ?

7. olive trees grow at limited elevation , arid tree (prone to die in extended soggy conditions)under water for that long , yet the dove retrieved a living twig ?or its a dead twig and means nothing .

8. kangaroos and koalas swim the shark infested African coastline and /or cross Africa right past the super predators to get on a boat in Mesopotamia
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1/18/2016 9:05:30 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/18/2016 7:53:35 AM, chucklehead wrote:
other problems with a world wide flood :
6. ocean currents , a barge leaving Mesopotamia lands in Mesopotamia ?

7. olive trees grow at limited elevation , arid tree (prone to die in extended soggy conditions)under water for that long , yet the dove retrieved a living twig ?or its a dead twig and means nothing .

8. kangaroos and koalas swim the shark infested African coastline and /or cross Africa right past the super predators to get on a boat in Mesopotamia

Did Noah round up 2 of every fish ? Where do think he might of kept them? However I have no doubt Russell Crowe could of quite easily done this in under a week, no wuckers. Box of grog . 4 maybe 5 days max. I mean , maybe , maybe . I'll give em the benefit of the doubt.
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1/18/2016 9:31:59 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 11:36:35 AM, JJ50 wrote:
I have been re-reading the Biblical flood fable and find it incredible that anyone could believe it to be literally true, it is total garbage. Here are five reasons why the story is crazy, I am sure others can come up with some more!

1. The flooding of a whole planet above mountain height is impossible, there is not enough water in the world to provide the precipitation necessary.
First point is completely wrong, when ground water is removed, this is actually observed, the land above becomes unstable and moves at alarming rates that are visible. If you take the flood story, assume one continent, add rain created by God and water from ground water, then with a years time the current surface of the earth above water is easily consistent with what would occur if a worldwide flood happens, since there are marine life fossils on Everest, it was under water before the flood and formed merely by the pressure of the flood itself then became above water as the ground water was replaced and God did whatever he seen fit to do with the water that wasn't needed in post flood earth.
2. Noah's Ark would have to have been an incredible size to house two of every creature on Earth and store the food for those creatures.
You misread the bible or haven't read it at all. The story specifically says that 7 pairs of each clean animal was taken and 1 pairs each of unclean animal "that had the breath of life in them". This is very important and consistent with the following passages as it means that only the animals God sent to Noah were to be on the arc as far as land animals. It also says later in verses that aNimals and people were killed via the flood. So every kind is not what the bible says.
3. How did Noah round up all the creatures, including animals like kangaroos which aren't native to the Middle East?
He didn't, God sent them there,
4. After the flood it is reported Noah sacrificed some of the animals, so presumably those species died out?
Who said he did it before they had babies? Even so, just means their kind were.
5. Noah and his family must have been incestuously bonking like rabbits for a long time to replace the world's population.
This is false reasoning.
Pop of world 7 billion
Pop of world 50 years ago 3.5 billion
Pop of world 100 years ago 1 billion
Pop of world 200 years ago 200 million
Pop of world 30o years ago 75 million
Pop of world 400 years ago 35 million
Pop of world 500 years ago 20 million
Pop 600 years ago 10 million
Pop of world 700 years ago 5 million
Pop of world 800 2 million
Pop 1000 years 500, thou
Pop of world 1100 260 thou
Pop 1200 125 thou
Pop 1300 yrs ago 60 thou
Pop of world 1400 years ago 30 thou
See where this is going....and these estimates are generous considering life span so many centuries ago. Btw, I made this up because people like you are boring,
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1/18/2016 9:37:23 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/18/2016 9:05:30 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 1/18/2016 7:53:35 AM, chucklehead wrote:
other problems with a world wide flood :
6. ocean currents , a barge leaving Mesopotamia lands in Mesopotamia ?

7. olive trees grow at limited elevation , arid tree (prone to die in extended soggy conditions)under water for that long , yet the dove retrieved a living twig ?or its a dead twig and means nothing .

8. kangaroos and koalas swim the shark infested African coastline and /or cross Africa right past the super predators to get on a boat in Mesopotamia

Did Noah round up 2 of every fish ? Where do think he might of kept them? However I have no doubt Russell Crowe could of quite easily done this in under a week, no wuckers. Box of grog . 4 maybe 5 days max. I mean , maybe , maybe . I'll give em the benefit of the doubt.
LOL...good point though , freshwater x saltwater x rainwater +silt . many fish wouldn't be able to cope .
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1/18/2016 12:51:12 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/17/2016 5:01:39 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/17/2016 1:07:51 PM, Gentorev wrote:
According to the OT, it was some 400 year after the flood that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and the daughters of the righteous Lot, believed, that of every man in the world had been destroyed and only their father was the sole survivor.
And although the disgusting minds of some of those from the godless religion of atheism, would portray the actions of the girls in raping their Father after getting him intoxicated, as an act of debauchee, their intent was indeed righteous. According to their belief, their father was the sole surviving male on the planet, if they had not become pregnant by him, then in their minds, the human race would come have become extinct.
So you claim to have never been drunk? That explains your belief in that fairytale.

Mate, I've been so drunk that I've woken up in the morning out on our front lawn. Obviously someone must have dropped me home, but who? I never had a clue.

The wife had to drive me around to all the different pubs that I generally frequented, in search of my car, because I couldn't remember where I had left it or even which were the last pubs that I had been drinking at.

If you haven't woken up after a big binge on the rum, with no memory of how you got home, then matey, you have never been "DRUNK."
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1/18/2016 1:23:48 PM
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I have never been drunk in my life, the idea fills me with horror and disgust. I enjoy alcohol but in very strict moderation.
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1/18/2016 1:30:12 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/18/2016 1:23:48 PM, JJ50 wrote:
I have never been drunk in my life, the idea fills me with horror and disgust. I enjoy alcohol but in very strict moderation.

Watch out for this Jentrv. Character Jj. His a 1st grade tosser. He speaks more shut the a bum factory.
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1/18/2016 1:33:52 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/18/2016 1:30:12 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 1/18/2016 1:23:48 PM, JJ50 wrote:
I have never been drunk in my life, the idea fills me with horror and disgust. I enjoy alcohol but in very strict moderation.

Watch out for this Jentrv. Character Jj. His a 1st grade tosser. He speaks more shut the a bum factory.

Anyone who boasts about being drunk and incapable has a serious mental health problem, imo!