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1/20/2016 11:22:50 PM
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Here is another one fro the skeptics to nit pick. Could the walls of Jericho collapse as told in the Bible.
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1/21/2016 2:29:48 AM
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At 1/20/2016 11:22:50 PM, Peternosaint wrote:
Here is another one fro the skeptics to nit pick. Could the walls of Jericho collapse as told in the Bible.

Absolutely!
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1/21/2016 3:03:35 AM
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At 1/21/2016 2:29:48 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/20/2016 11:22:50 PM, Peternosaint wrote:
Here is another one for the skeptics to nit pick. Could the walls of Jericho collapse as told in the Bible.

Absolutely!

True. The science used in the walls of Jericho event would not have been known by mere man in those days, and I doubt t hat many would realize the science today.
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1/21/2016 3:29:48 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/21/2016 3:03:35 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 1/21/2016 2:29:48 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/20/2016 11:22:50 PM, Peternosaint wrote:
Here is another one for the skeptics to nit pick. Could the walls of Jericho collapse as told in the Bible.

Absolutely!

True. The science used in the walls of Jericho event would not have been known by mere man in those days, and I doubt t hat many would realize the science today.

And what science are you referring to?
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1/21/2016 4:10:42 AM
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Yeah never happened, read some archaeology. Funny story though.
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1/21/2016 5:05:16 AM
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At 1/21/2016 4:10:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
Yeah never happened, read some archaeology. Funny story though.

How are you going there bulpoof? Do you know what, I have read different subjects on archaeology, and found that the walls of Jericho came down in 1527 or 1529 BC, which is 40 years after the exodus when the Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years before crossing the Jordan and causing the walls of Jericho to collapse.
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1/21/2016 6:52:19 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/21/2016 5:05:16 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/21/2016 4:10:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
Yeah never happened, read some archaeology. Funny story though.

How are you going there bulpoof? Do you know what, I have read different subjects on archaeology, and found that the walls of Jericho came down in 1527 or 1529 BC, which is 40 years after the exodus when the Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years before crossing the Jordan and causing the walls of Jericho to collapse.
Well perhaps you should read factual archaeological books and realise that the Exodus is a myth, precisely because there is not a scrap of evidence to support it. Now the madman claims that god followed the millions around the desert with a giant hoover collecting all the evidence, does that sound right to you?
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1/21/2016 7:37:45 AM
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t 1/21/2016 4:10:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
Well perhaps you should read factual archaeological books and realise that the Exodus is a myth, precisely because there is not a scrap of evidence to support it.

I have already posted this in another thread, but it is also applicable here.

Although it is erroneously stated in Exodus 12: 40; that the Israelites had lived in Egypt for 430 years, in Galatians 3: 17; Paul makes it quite clear that they were in the land of Egypt for only 225 years.

Gal 3: 17; "God made a covenant with Abraham and promised to keep it. The Law (Given by Moses) that was given 430 years later, cannot break that covenant and cancel God"s promise."

And so, the reason why there are no records of the Exodus in the time period in which our historians have searched and which the bible student who believe the erroneous statement that the Israelites were in Egypt for 430 years and must therefore have departed somewhere in the time period of the 1300 B.C, is because the Exodus and the expulsion of the old Hyksos Kings in the 15TH century B.C, are one and the same event.

From the Encarta encyclopedia, "Hyksos (Egyptian for "foreign rulers"), Semitic invaders who conquered Egypt in the early part of the 17th century BC and founded the 15th Dynasty.

In the early part of the 17TH century B.C, Semetic invaders (Called Hyksos) swept into Egypt, most likely from Palestine and Syria. They would control Egypt for roughly two centuries." --- (225 years if we are to believe the Bible.) The establishment of a Hyksos dynasty in northern Egypt marked the beginning of the Second Intermediate period, a time of turmoil and disunity that lasted for more than 225 years.

According to the compilers of Young"s Analytical Concordance to the Bible, they date the exodus at somewhere around the year of 1500 BC about the period when the island of Santorini or Thira blew it"s top, when seismic waves flooded Egyptian croplands, causing a famine and other catastrophic events.

Abraham was 85 when God first made his covenant with him, Isaac was born 15 years after the covenant, when Abraham was 100. Isaac was 60 when his son Jacob was born and Jacob was 130 when he was reunited with his son Joseph in the land of Egypt. 15+60+130=205. So we see that there was a period of 205 years between the covenant and the entry of the family of Israel into Egypt, where they dwelt for 225 years before departing, and receiving the law from Moses, 430 years after God"s covenant was made with Abraham.

From "The World Book Dictionary," (Hyksos) "A succession of six foreign rulers of Egypt"from about 1730 B.C. to about 1570 B.C; Shepherd Kings." --- And from the Encyclopedia Britannica, "Hyksos", invaders who were also called the Shepherd Kings, who in the time of "King Tutimaios" entered Egypt and took possession of it without striking a blow and it is said here that Josephus the historian, identifies them with the Israelites and that their reign ended in 1567B.C.

Joseph the first of the shepherd kings, was given all authority in Egypt, no one could lift a hand or a foot without Joseph"s permission; see genesis 41: 44.

During the 7 years of plenty he taxed the population a percentage of their grain crops, during the great 7 year drought that followed, he sold that grain back to them. When they ran out of money, he took their live-stock as payment, when their live-stock was all gone, they were forced to sign over their land as payment for the grain.

Joseph made slaves of the Egyptian population, without striking a blow.

Taking into account the many other variables to numerous to be bothered about here, and knowing that the records of the different historians, although very close to each other in the dates of the Hyksos dynasty in Egypt, are yet still in conflict with their contemporaries, I believe that the essence of what they are saying is in total harmony to the spirit of God"s Word, and that with a little more research they will prove to the world that the exodus occurred at the precise time as the expulsion of the Shepherd Kings.

It was 40 years after they left Egypt that they destroyed Jericho, the first of their conquest in the Land of Canaan, which was the legal inheritance of the descendants of Shem.

Kathleen Kenyon, a most respected archaeologist dug at Jericho over the seasons between 1952 to 1958, her results were confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (Plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%.

If, according to Josephus the historian, the exodus of the Shepherd Kings did occur in 1567 BC, and Jericho was destroyed 38 years after 1562 (minus 38 years) this would mean that Jericho fell in the year of 1529 BC, close enough to the 40 years after the Exodus that the bible states that Jericho was destroyed by the conquering Israelites.

Bulpoof wrote......Now the madman claims that god followed the millions around the desert with a giant hoover collecting all the evidence, does that sound right to you?

Gentorev responds....... I don't know who the madman was that told you that load of shyte. 3500 years ago, the Israelites wandered the desert for forty years, shifting their camp each time the cloud from the Santorina explosion, from which the manna would fall each night in the form of burning hail-stones, moved.

Now then what evidence of this event which occurred some 3,500 years ago, do you think the archaeologists of today would look for? Rusted soft drink tins? No! Baked bean and spaghetti tins? No! Broken pottery? No! Building foundations? No! The Israelites buried faeces which the dung beetles would have consumed? Nah!

Each time the Israelites packed up camp to move on, the only thing that they left behind was their faeces.

Now then, please tell us what the god of your madman had to clean up?
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1/21/2016 9:20:08 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/21/2016 3:03:35 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 1/21/2016 2:29:48 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/20/2016 11:22:50 PM, Peternosaint wrote:
Here is another one for the skeptics to nit pick. Could the walls of Jericho collapse as told in the Bible.

Absolutely!

True. The science used in the walls of Jericho event would not have been known by mere man in those days, and I doubt t hat many would realize the science today.

I will ask again, what science are you referring to?
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1/21/2016 2:08:16 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/21/2016 7:37:45 AM, Gentorev wrote:
t 1/21/2016 4:10:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
Well perhaps you should read factual archaeological books and realise that the Exodus is a myth, precisely because there is not a scrap of evidence to support it.

I have already posted this in another thread, but it is also applicable here.

Although it is erroneously stated in Exodus 12: 40; that the Israelites had lived in Egypt for 430 years,
God is lying in his word, I love how the delusional explain their delusions.

Gal 3: 17; "God made a covenant with Abraham and promised to keep it. The Law (Given by Moses) that was given 430 years later, cannot break that covenant and cancel God"s promise."
Can you supply any divine evidence of a covenent?
And so, the reason why there are no records of the Exodus in the time period in which our historians have searched and which the bible student who believe the erroneous statement that the Israelites were in Egypt for 430 years and must therefore have departed somewhere in the time period of the 1300 B.C, is because the Exodus and the expulsion of the old Hyksos Kings in the 15TH century B.C, are one and the same event.
There is not a mention in Egyptian history (very inclusive in all other aspects)
From the Encarta encyclopedia, "Hyksos (Egyptian for "foreign rulers"), Semitic invaders who conquered Egypt in the early part of the 17th century BC and founded the 15th Dynasty.
I love this argument, the rulers were actually slaves and were deported, it doesn't actually support the exodus story and in fact contradicts it.
In the early part of the 17TH century B.C, Semetic invaders (Called Hyksos) swept into Egypt, most likely from Palestine and Syria. They would control Egypt for roughly two centuries." --- (225 years if we are to believe the Bible.) The establishment of a Hyksos dynasty in northern Egypt marked the beginning of the Second Intermediate period, a time of turmoil and disunity that lasted for more than 225 years.
Once again claiming that rulers are slaves, are you completely brainless?
According to the compilers of Young"s Analytical Concordance to the Bible, they date the exodus at somewhere around the year of 1500 BC about the period when the island of Santorini or Thira blew it"s top, when seismic waves flooded Egyptian croplands, causing a famine and other catastrophic events.
I see you have no Egyptian records to support your claims and none of your claims support the exodus myth.
Abraham was 85 when God first made his covenant with him, Isaac was born 15 years after the covenant, when Abraham was 100. Isaac was 60 when his son Jacob was born and Jacob was 130 when he was reunited with his son Joseph in the land of Egypt. 15+60+130=205. So we see that there was a period of 205 years between the covenant and the entry of the family of Israel into Egypt, where they dwelt for 225 years before departing, and receiving the law from Moses, 430 years after God"s covenant was made with Abraham.
You understand that there is absolutely no evidence to support these claims, especially since the claims sourced from a book that has absolutely no archaeological evidence to support any of it's other claims.
From "The World Book Dictionary," (Hyksos) "A succession of six foreign rulers of Egypt"from about 1730 B.C. to about 1570 B.C; Shepherd Kings." --- And from the Encyclopedia Britannica, "Hyksos", invaders who were also called the Shepherd Kings, who in the time of "King Tutimaios" entered Egypt and took possession of it without striking a blow and it is said here that Josephus the historian, identifies them with the Israelites and that their reign ended in 1567B.C.
Why do you keep conflating rulers with slaves, are you really that stupid?
Joseph the first of the shepherd kings, was given all authority in Egypt, no one could lift a hand or a foot without Joseph"s permission; see genesis 41: 44.
See above.....................sheesh.
During the 7 years of plenty he taxed the population a percentage of their grain crops, during the great 7 year drought that followed, he sold that grain back to them. When they ran out of money, he took their live-stock as payment, when their live-stock was all gone, they were forced to sign over their land as payment for the grain.

Joseph made slaves of the Egyptian population, without striking a blow.
Well that proves the bible to be lies, well done.
Taking into account the many other variables to numerous to be bothered about here, and knowing that the records of the different historians, although very close to each other in the dates of the Hyksos dynasty in Egypt, are yet still in conflict with their contemporaries, I believe that the essence of what they are saying is in total harmony to the spirit of God"s Word, and that with a little more research they will prove to the world that the exodus occurred at the precise time as the expulsion of the Shepherd Kings.
Provide some archaeological evidence to support your nonsense.
It was 40 years after they left Egypt that they destroyed Jericho, the first of their conquest in the Land of Canaan, which was the legal inheritance of the descendants of Shem.
The Exodus is a myth and the Jericho story is proved to be the same.
Kathleen Kenyon, a most respected archaeologist dug at Jericho over the seasons between 1952 to 1958, her results were confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (Plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%.
K.Kenyon's nonsense was destroyed just about as soon as she produced it, it is crap and has been proved such for decades.
If, according to Josephus the historian, the exodus of the Shepherd Kings did occur in 1567 BC, and Jericho was destroyed 38 years after 1562 (minus 38 years) this would mean that Jericho fell in the year of 1529 BC, close enough to the 40 years after the Exodus that the bible states that Jericho was destroyed by the conquering Israelites.
Slaves or kings, your silly book says slaves.
Bulpoof wrote......Now the madman claims that god followed the millions around the desert with a giant hoover collecting all the evidence, does that sound right to you?

Gentorev responds....... I don't know who the madman was that told you that load of shyte. 3500 years ago, the Israelites wandered the desert for forty years, shifting their camp each time the cloud from the Santorina explosion, from which the manna would fall each night in the form of burning hail-stones, moved.
So where is the archaeological evidence?
Now then what evidence of this event which occurred some 3,500 years ago, do you think the archaeologists of today would look for? Rusted soft drink tins? No! Baked bean and spaghetti tins? No! Broken pottery? No! Building foundations? No! The Israelites buried faeces which the dung beetles would have consumed? Nah!
Read some archaeological treatises and you still won't allow yourself to believe just how wrong your bible is. That's just biblicists.
Each time the Israelites packed up camp to move on, the only thing that they left behind was their faeces.
Yeah like every other group of people anywhere on the planet, unfortunately we have evidence of very small groups of people that they left behind and yet 4-5 million people left not a scrap for 40yrs in a handkerchief sized desert? You people can convince yourselves to believe anything.
Now then, please tell us what the god of your madman had to clean up?
Ask him.
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1/21/2016 3:39:38 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/21/2016 3:03:35 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 1/21/2016 2:29:48 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/20/2016 11:22:50 PM, Peternosaint wrote:
Here is another one for the skeptics to nit pick. Could the walls of Jericho collapse as told in the Bible.

Absolutely!

True. The science used in the walls of Jericho event would not have been known by mere man in those days, and I doubt t hat many would realize the science today.

It wouldn't beed to have been known by man. Jehovah created science when he created everything else.

Any good demolition expert could do the same thing today.
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1/21/2016 3:40:37 PM
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At 1/21/2016 4:10:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
Yeah never happened, read some archaeology. Funny story though.

That is real confirmation bias, especially since you obviously know little of holy land Archaeology yourself.
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1/21/2016 3:42:19 PM
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At 1/21/2016 6:52:19 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 5:05:16 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/21/2016 4:10:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
Yeah never happened, read some archaeology. Funny story though.

How are you going there bulpoof? Do you know what, I have read different subjects on archaeology, and found that the walls of Jericho came down in 1527 or 1529 BC, which is 40 years after the exodus when the Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years before crossing the Jordan and causing the walls of Jericho to collapse.
Well perhaps you should read factual archaeological books and realise that the Exodus is a myth, precisely because there is not a scrap of evidence to support it. Now the madman claims that god followed the millions around the desert with a giant hoover collecting all the evidence, does that sound right to you?

I do read them, but there is none more accurate than the Bible.

If you knew anything at all about what actually happened it would not be a surprise that no evidence can be found.

The only myths are in your mind.
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1/21/2016 3:47:03 PM
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At 1/21/2016 3:42:19 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/21/2016 6:52:19 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 5:05:16 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/21/2016 4:10:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
Yeah never happened, read some archaeology. Funny story though.

How are you going there bulpoof? Do you know what, I have read different subjects on archaeology, and found that the walls of Jericho came down in 1527 or 1529 BC, which is 40 years after the exodus when the Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years before crossing the Jordan and causing the walls of Jericho to collapse.
Well perhaps you should read factual archaeological books and realise that the Exodus is a myth, precisely because there is not a scrap of evidence to support it. Now the madman claims that god followed the millions around the desert with a giant hoover collecting all the evidence, does that sound right to you?

I do read them, but there is none more accurate than the Bible.

If you knew anything at all about what actually happened it would not be a surprise that no evidence can be found.

The only myths are in your mind.

I've asked you before mad, bring some evidence and you fail every time. Go back to your fantasyland and play with your insanity, there's a good little nutjob.
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1/21/2016 4:04:12 PM
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At 1/21/2016 7:37:45 AM, Gentorev wrote:
t 1/21/2016 4:10:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
Well perhaps you should read factual archaeological books and realise that the Exodus is a myth, precisely because there is not a scrap of evidence to support it.

I have already posted this in another thread, but it is also applicable here.

Although it is erroneously stated in Exodus 12: 40; that the Israelites had lived in Egypt for 430 years, in Galatians 3: 17; Paul makes it quite clear that they were in the land of Egypt for only 225 years.

Gal 3: 17; "God made a covenant with Abraham and promised to keep it. The Law (Given by Moses) that was given 430 years later, cannot break that covenant and cancel God"s promise."

And so, the reason why there are no records of the Exodus in the time period in which our historians have searched and which the bible student who believe the erroneous statement that the Israelites were in Egypt for 430 years and must therefore have departed somewhere in the time period of the 1300 B.C, is because the Exodus and the expulsion of the old Hyksos Kings in the 15TH century B.C, are one and the same event.

From the Encarta encyclopedia, "Hyksos (Egyptian for "foreign rulers"), Semitic invaders who conquered Egypt in the early part of the 17th century BC and founded the 15th Dynasty.

In the early part of the 17TH century B.C, Semetic invaders (Called Hyksos) swept into Egypt, most likely from Palestine and Syria. They would control Egypt for roughly two centuries." --- (225 years if we are to believe the Bible.) The establishment of a Hyksos dynasty in northern Egypt marked the beginning of the Second Intermediate period, a time of turmoil and disunity that lasted for more than 225 years.

According to the compilers of Young"s Analytical Concordance to the Bible, they date the exodus at somewhere around the year of 1500 BC about the period when the island of Santorini or Thira blew it"s top, when seismic waves flooded Egyptian croplands, causing a famine and other catastrophic events.

Abraham was 85 when God first made his covenant with him, Isaac was born 15 years after the covenant, when Abraham was 100. Isaac was 60 when his son Jacob was born and Jacob was 130 when he was reunited with his son Joseph in the land of Egypt. 15+60+130=205. So we see that there was a period of 205 years between the covenant and the entry of the family of Israel into Egypt, where they dwelt for 225 years before departing, and receiving the law from Moses, 430 years after God"s covenant was made with Abraham.

From "The World Book Dictionary," (Hyksos) "A succession of six foreign rulers of Egypt"from about 1730 B.C. to about 1570 B.C; Shepherd Kings." --- And from the Encyclopedia Britannica, "Hyksos", invaders who were also called the Shepherd Kings, who in the time of "King Tutimaios" entered Egypt and took possession of it without striking a blow and it is said here that Josephus the historian, identifies them with the Israelites and that their reign ended in 1567B.C.

Joseph the first of the shepherd kings, was given all authority in Egypt, no one could lift a hand or a foot without Joseph"s permission; see genesis 41: 44.

During the 7 years of plenty he taxed the population a percentage of their grain crops, during the great 7 year drought that followed, he sold that grain back to them. When they ran out of money, he took their live-stock as payment, when their live-stock was all gone, they were forced to sign over their land as payment for the grain.

Joseph made slaves of the Egyptian population, without striking a blow.

Taking into account the many other variables to numerous to be bothered about here, and knowing that the records of the different historians, although very close to each other in the dates of the Hyksos dynasty in Egypt, are yet still in conflict with their contemporaries, I believe that the essence of what they are saying is in total harmony to the spirit of God"s Word, and that with a little more research they will prove to the world that the exodus occurred at the precise time as the expulsion of the Shepherd Kings.

It was 40 years after they left Egypt that they destroyed Jericho, the first of their conquest in the Land of Canaan, which was the legal inheritance of the descendants of Shem.

Kathleen Kenyon, a most respected archaeologist dug at Jericho over the seasons between 1952 to 1958, her results were confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (Plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%.

Strange that you would use Kathleen Kenyon's research which actually debunks the biblical claims Jeruco was destroyed in 1400BC.

"In 1868 Charles Warren identified Tell es-Sultan as the site of Jericho. In 1930"36 John Garstang conducted excavations there and discovered the remains of a network of collapsed walls which he dated to about 1400 BCE, the accepted biblical date of the conquest." Wiki.

"Kathleen Kenyon found much of the same evidence"collapsed walls, stores of grain and an ash layer from a massive conflagration. However, she reached a completely different conclusion. Rather than supporting the Biblical account, her finds at Jericho, she said, disproved the Biblical story. Why? She dated the city"s destruction to around 1550 BC, meaning the site had been abandoned and therefore there was no city for the Israelites to capture at the time of the conquest."

If, according to Josephus the historian, the exodus of the Shepherd Kings did occur in 1567 BC, and Jericho was destroyed 38 years after 1562 (minus 38 years) this would mean that Jericho fell in the year of 1529 BC, close enough to the 40 years after the Exodus that the bible states that Jericho was destroyed by the conquering Israelites.

Even here you have not reported the facts. Josephus was wrong about the exodus of Hyksos and translating it as the 'Shepherd Kings'

"Josephus provides the earliest recorded instance of the much-repeated false etymology of the term Hyksos, as a Hellenised form of the Egyptian phrase Hekw Shasu meaning Shepherd Kings. Scholars have only recently shown that the term derives from heqa-khase, a phrase meaning "rulers of foreign lands".[27]". Wiki.

"In Joshua chapter 6, the Bible records the defeat of the city of Jericho by the children of Israel, led by Joshua. Traditional biblical chronology places this event ca. 1407 B.C.

The archaeological remains at Tell-es-Sultan correspond to the biblical Jericho. This is undisputed by mainstream scholarship, whether conservative or liberal.

John Garstang conducted excavations at Jericho from 1930 to 1936. He found a destruction layer corresponding to the termination of City IV, and dated it to ca. 1400 B.C. This worked out well for traditional biblical chronology.

However, in the 1950's, Kathleen Kenyon conducted further excavations at Jericho and concluded that the destruction of Garstang's City IV should be dated ca. 1550 B.C., not ca. 1400 B.C. In fact, Kenyon found no evidence at all of occupation of Jericho ca. 1407 B.C."

Bulpoof wrote......Now the madman claims that god followed the millions around the desert with a giant hoover collecting all the evidence, does that sound right to you?

Gentorev responds....... I don't know who the madman was that told you that load of shyte. 3500 years ago, the Israelites wandered the desert for forty years, shifting their camp each time the cloud from the Santorina explosion, from which the manna would fall each night in the form of burning hail-stones, moved.


Try reading and researching the sources before you quote them. You are either profoundly stupid or lack intellectual integrity.
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I think it was a miracle through and through. Science can't explain it.
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1/21/2016 9:13:13 PM
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At 1/21/2016 3:47:03 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 3:42:19 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/21/2016 6:52:19 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 5:05:16 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/21/2016 4:10:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
Yeah never happened, read some archaeology. Funny story though.

How are you going there bulpoof? Do you know what, I have read different subjects on archaeology, and found that the walls of Jericho came down in 1527 or 1529 BC, which is 40 years after the exodus when the Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years before crossing the Jordan and causing the walls of Jericho to collapse.
Well perhaps you should read factual archaeological books and realise that the Exodus is a myth, precisely because there is not a scrap of evidence to support it. Now the madman claims that god followed the millions around the desert with a giant hoover collecting all the evidence, does that sound right to you?

I do read them, but there is none more accurate than the Bible.

If you knew anything at all about what actually happened it would not be a surprise that no evidence can be found.

The only myths are in your mind.

I've asked you before mad, bring some evidence and you fail every time. Go back to your fantasyland and play with your insanity, there's a good little nutjob.

You advised me to ask your madman mate what his God had to clean up some 3,500 years after the Israelites packed up their tents and moved on to another camp site. I see now that you must have been referring to MCB. Well I'm sorry mate, but I don't respond to idiots like him and the late Bornofgod. So you can take as a compliment, the fact that I still respond to your rubbish.
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1/21/2016 9:19:34 PM
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At 1/21/2016 8:04:15 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I think it was a miracle through and through. Science can't explain it.

Science can't explain it, because it never happened.
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1/21/2016 10:14:05 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/21/2016 9:19:34 PM, desmac wrote:
At 1/21/2016 8:04:15 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I think it was a miracle through and through. Science can't explain it.

Science can't explain it, because it never happened.

Maybe you can't prove it scientifically but you can prove it archeology.

http://www.biblearchaeology.org...
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1/21/2016 11:34:19 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/21/2016 9:20:08 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/21/2016 3:03:35 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 1/21/2016 2:29:48 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/20/2016 11:22:50 PM, Peternosaint wrote:
Here is another one for the skeptics to nit pick. Could the walls of Jericho collapse as told in the Bible.

Absolutely!

True. The science used in the walls of Jericho event would not have been known by mere man in those days, and I doubt t hat many would realize the science today.

I will ask again, what science are you referring to?

Jericho was build on sand, which is reasonably stable if constructed properly. Now the number of people that were told to march around the city walls was rather large adn the instructions would have been difficult for an unscientific mind to comprehend.

From JW.org.

Listen to what Jehovah tells Joshua: "You and your fighting men are to march around the city. March around it once each day for six days. Carry the ark of the covenant with you. Seven priests should walk ahead of it and blow their horns.

"On the seventh day you should march around the city seven times. Then give a long sound on the horns, and have everyone shout with a great war cry. And the walls will fall down flat!"


What is the science here, let's here some objective comment on how the above instructions would work.

Not playing games, just taking a new approach to debate.

No matter how much the detractors say NAY! there is enough evident to show that this even actually happened. The use of natural forces and technology that is only recently discovered by man is far beyond human minds of that time.
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1/21/2016 11:39:44 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/21/2016 10:14:05 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/21/2016 9:19:34 PM, desmac wrote:
At 1/21/2016 8:04:15 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I think it was a miracle through and through. Science can't explain it.

Science can't explain it, because it never happened.

Maybe you can't prove it scientifically but you can prove it archeology.

http://www.biblearchaeology.org...
That's the whole point the archaeological evidence proves it never happened. Stop reading apologetics sites and read real science.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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1/21/2016 11:40:11 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/21/2016 3:47:03 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 3:42:19 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/21/2016 6:52:19 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 5:05:16 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/21/2016 4:10:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
Yeah never happened, read some archaeology. Funny story though.

How are you going there bulpoof? Do you know what, I have read different subjects on archaeology, and found that the walls of Jericho came down in 1527 or 1529 BC, which is 40 years after the exodus when the Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years before crossing the Jordan and causing the walls of Jericho to collapse.
Well perhaps you should read factual archaeological books and realise that the Exodus is a myth, precisely because there is not a scrap of evidence to support it. Now the madman claims that god followed the millions around the desert with a giant hoover collecting all the evidence, does that sound right to you?

I do read them, but there is none more accurate than the Bible.

If you knew anything at all about what actually happened it would not be a surprise that no evidence can be found.

The only myths are in your mind.

I've asked you before mad, bring some evidence and you fail every time. Go back to your fantasyland and play with your insanity, there's a good little nutjob.

What a wonderful, intelligent and informative comment, but what more could one expect from this person who , it seems, is taking up the space of a decent human being Obviously they do not vet his mail, which he sends from the sanitarium...Pity!.
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1/21/2016 11:46:23 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/21/2016 11:40:11 PM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 1/21/2016 3:47:03 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 3:42:19 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/21/2016 6:52:19 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 5:05:16 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/21/2016 4:10:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
Yeah never happened, read some archaeology. Funny story though.

How are you going there bulpoof? Do you know what, I have read different subjects on archaeology, and found that the walls of Jericho came down in 1527 or 1529 BC, which is 40 years after the exodus when the Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years before crossing the Jordan and causing the walls of Jericho to collapse.
Well perhaps you should read factual archaeological books and realise that the Exodus is a myth, precisely because there is not a scrap of evidence to support it. Now the madman claims that god followed the millions around the desert with a giant hoover collecting all the evidence, does that sound right to you?

I do read them, but there is none more accurate than the Bible.

If you knew anything at all about what actually happened it would not be a surprise that no evidence can be found.

The only myths are in your mind.

I've asked you before mad, bring some evidence and you fail every time. Go back to your fantasyland and play with your insanity, there's a good little nutjob.

What a wonderful, intelligent and informative comment, but what more could one expect from this person who , it seems, is taking up the space of a decent human being Obviously they do not vet his mail, which he sends from the sanitarium...Pity!.
Tell nursey you need your meds, some extra morphine might help you find god, or not which is more likely.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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1/22/2016 12:16:42 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/21/2016 11:39:44 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 10:14:05 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/21/2016 9:19:34 PM, desmac wrote:
At 1/21/2016 8:04:15 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I think it was a miracle through and through. Science can't explain it.

Science can't explain it, because it never happened.

Maybe you can't prove it scientifically but you can prove it archeology.

http://www.biblearchaeology.org...
That's the whole point the archaeological evidence proves it never happened. Stop reading apologetics sites and read real science.

How does it disprove Jericho?
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

All those who are pro-death (abortion) is already born
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1/22/2016 12:22:03 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/22/2016 12:16:42 AM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/21/2016 11:39:44 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 10:14:05 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/21/2016 9:19:34 PM, desmac wrote:
At 1/21/2016 8:04:15 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I think it was a miracle through and through. Science can't explain it.

Science can't explain it, because it never happened.

Maybe you can't prove it scientifically but you can prove it archeology.

http://www.biblearchaeology.org...
That's the whole point the archaeological evidence proves it never happened. Stop reading apologetics sites and read real science.

How does it disprove Jericho?
Not a scrap of evidence supporting the exodus ergo no exodus. No exodus=no fable of jericho.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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1/22/2016 1:07:24 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/21/2016 11:46:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 11:40:11 PM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 1/21/2016 3:47:03 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 3:42:19 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/21/2016 6:52:19 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 5:05:16 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/21/2016 4:10:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
Yeah never happened, read some archaeology. Funny story though.

How are you going there bulpoof? Do you know what, I have read different subjects on archaeology, and found that the walls of Jericho came down in 1527 or 1529 BC, which is 40 years after the exodus when the Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years before crossing the Jordan and causing the walls of Jericho to collapse.
Well perhaps you should read factual archaeological books and realise that the Exodus is a myth, precisely because there is not a scrap of evidence to support it. Now the madman claims that god followed the millions around the desert with a giant hoover collecting all the evidence, does that sound right to you?

I do read them, but there is none more accurate than the Bible.

If you knew anything at all about what actually happened it would not be a surprise that no evidence can be found.

The only myths are in your mind.

I've asked you before mad, bring some evidence and you fail every time. Go back to your fantasyland and play with your insanity, there's a good little nutjob.

What a wonderful, intelligent and informative comment, but what more could one expect from this person who , it seems, is taking up the space of a decent human being Obviously they do not vet his mail, which he sends from the sanitarium...Pity!.
Tell nursey you need your meds, some extra morphine might help you find god, or not which is more likely.

No second prize Bulsh.t
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1/22/2016 1:47:24 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/22/2016 12:22:03 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/22/2016 12:16:42 AM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/21/2016 11:39:44 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/21/2016 10:14:05 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 1/21/2016 9:19:34 PM, desmac wrote:
At 1/21/2016 8:04:15 PM, Maccabee wrote:
I think it was a miracle through and through. Science can't explain it.

Science can't explain it, because it never happened.

Maybe you can't prove it scientifically but you can prove it archeology.

http://www.biblearchaeology.org...
That's the whole point the archaeological evidence proves it never happened. Stop reading apologetics sites and read real science.

How does it disprove Jericho?
Not a scrap of evidence supporting the exodus ergo no exodus. No exodus=no fable of jericho.

First place how does no exodus disprove Jericho? Second, I think there Is evidence of at least the Red Sea crossing in the right hand gulf.
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

All those who are pro-death (abortion) is already born
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1/22/2016 3:44:00 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
Here is how the walls of Jericho were made to collapse using the unknown science of todays world:

I offer this explanation from explanations I had a long time ago with some very clever science minded people. I had never heard of what they spoke of, but it can all be googled now.

The seven in the instructions from God was not a scientific number as such, but seven is the Biblical number of completion, this would give the men of Joshuah's army confidence that the instructions were coming from God.

Marching around the walls, built on sand, as they did would bring any subterranean water up to the surface sand. I know this does happen, and If you like to try it out, just drive a vehicle on the beach, close to the water line, and then drive back and forth a couple of times to see the result that I speak of. The foundations would be limited in construction, and not consist of the sand foundations of today, thus the walls would be unstable already.

Now the one note blast on the trumpets and the shouting. This is the goodie, look up sonic canons and the like. The sonic boom from the trumpets would have the effect of vibrating the mud brick walls of the city until a collapse started and then it would fall like a stack of cards, or maybe, the twin towers in the US.

Off you go, prove that it couldn't happen like that.
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1/22/2016 2:50:31 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/22/2016 3:44:00 AM, Peternosaint wrote:
Here is how the walls of Jericho were made to collapse using the unknown science of todays world:

I offer this explanation from explanations I had a long time ago with some very clever science minded people. I had never heard of what they spoke of, but it can all be googled now.

The seven in the instructions from God was not a scientific number as such, but seven is the Biblical number of completion, this would give the men of Joshuah's army confidence that the instructions were coming from God.

Marching around the walls, built on sand, as they did would bring any subterranean water up to the surface sand. I know this does happen, and If you like to try it out, just drive a vehicle on the beach, close to the water line, and then drive back and forth a couple of times to see the result that I speak of. The foundations would be limited in construction, and not consist of the sand foundations of today, thus the walls would be unstable already.

Now the one note blast on the trumpets and the shouting. This is the goodie, look up sonic canons and the like. The sonic boom from the trumpets would have the effect of vibrating the mud brick walls of the city until a collapse started and then it would fall like a stack of cards, or maybe, the twin towers in the US.

Off you go, prove that it couldn't happen like that.

It could not have happened and it has never happened since. The Jews have never used that technique to cause walls to crumble and is not an approved method in the Thorah/Talmud.
The only reason Jews would walk in a circle is when they are inspecting a piece of land for a new settlement. The Palestanians have protested to these inspections by using bricks and stones from the walls to throw at the Jews. That might cause a few walls to crumble. But never to the same scale as that of Jericho. Missiles and bombing are more effective at levelling walls and buildings and that is the preferred method today by Jews and Christians.
But the Jericho myth prevailed in Europe. Hitler made sure the Jews always walked in a straight line to counter the myth. There was method to his madness.
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1/22/2016 6:52:23 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/20/2016 11:22:50 PM, Peternosaint wrote:
Here is another one fro the skeptics to nit pick. Could the walls of Jericho collapse as told in the Bible.

Why not? If nothing else they were in the right place at the right time, by following the instructions they said they received of their God. How can you deny them that testimony? They were there, you weren"t.