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1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.
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1/26/2016 9:37:57 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.
Nah, poor old muhammad got a lot of what he thought he remembered of the Torah and bibles wrong though just the same.
I mean he thought that Mary was a part of the trinity he rejected, he wasn't the sharpest log in the woodpile/
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1/26/2016 10:07:07 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 9:37:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.
Nah, poor old muhammad got a lot of what he thought he remembered of the Torah and bibles wrong though just the same.
I mean he thought that Mary was a part of the trinity he rejected, he wasn't the sharpest log in the woodpile/

Firstly, Mohammed was not old, He was at 40 when he became the Messenger and He died at 63.

Secondly, He didn't know about Torah and Bible, because He lived in Mecca where there wasn't any Jew and Christian to learn Bible.

Thirdly, Islam doesn't accept Trinity, but Mary, the mother of Jesus has a respected place in Islam.
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1/26/2016 10:18:51 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 10:07:07 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:37:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.
Nah, poor old muhammad got a lot of what he thought he remembered of the Torah and bibles wrong though just the same.
I mean he thought that Mary was a part of the trinity he rejected, he wasn't the sharpest log in the woodpile/

Firstly, Mohammed was not old, He was at 40 when he became the Messenger and He died at 63.

Secondly, He didn't know about Torah and Bible, because He lived in Mecca where there wasn't any Jew and Christian to learn Bible.

Thirdly, Islam doesn't accept Trinity, but Mary, the mother of Jesus has a respected place in Islam.
All meaningless muslim propaganda, he was aware of the bible read your book, he tried unsuccessfully to plagiarize it. Read your book, there were christians and jews in Arabia.
Muhammad rejected the trinity of god, mary and jesus. Read your book.
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1/26/2016 12:40:22 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an, and promises unlimited orgies with 72 virgins. Not 50. Not 100. 72...

Only absirdities like "thighing 6 year old Aisha was okay because Muhammed had control of his "member" unlike any other man, he flew to Heaven on a pink unicorn, he wrote the Quran while being illiterate, he was demon posessed as a child-thought he got his "revelation" from a demon-decided to hurl himself off a cliff in a duicide attempt...and we should listen to him. He takes stories from the Bible then claims the Bible is false...

No. Nothing absurd there.
Only absurdities like it's okay to "thigh" a 6 year old Aisha, Muhammed was illiterate but wrote the Quran, Muhammed was demon posessed as a child then thought the one giving him his revelation was a demon, and he flew to Heaven on a pink unicorn...

If God decides to live in the flesh He can't. You don't thinkGod has any abilities it looks like. Can God not be what He want, how He wants, when He wants? Yes He can.
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1/26/2016 1:01:58 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
And of course the main difference is the Quran ripped off all its good ideas and stories from Judaism and Christianity. It's like me stealing the story of Brahma from Hiduism, then claiming Shiva and Kali don't work for me, then claiming Brahma loves me and not Hindus...
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1/26/2016 1:03:59 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
I sure hope they are different. I don't want the inciting of death and destructionand child molestation attached to me.
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1/27/2016 9:02:29 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 12:40:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an, and promises unlimited orgies with 72 virgins. Not 50. Not 100. 72...

Only absirdities like "thighing 6 year old Aisha was okay because Muhammed had control of his "member" unlike any other man, he flew to Heaven on a pink unicorn, he wrote the Quran while being illiterate, he was demon posessed as a child-thought he got his "revelation" from a demon-decided to hurl himself off a cliff in a duicide attempt...and we should listen to him. He takes stories from the Bible then claims the Bible is false...

No. Nothing absurd there.
Only absurdities like it's okay to "thigh" a 6 year old Aisha, Muhammed was illiterate but wrote the Quran, Muhammed was demon posessed as a child then thought the one giving him his revelation was a demon, and he flew to Heaven on a pink unicorn...

If God decides to live in the flesh He can't. You don't thinkGod has any abilities it looks like. Can God not be what He want, how He wants, when He wants? Yes He can.

Dear,
What you have written are not from the Qur'an, they are just fabricating and esotheric tellings.

God has created this universe and put scientific laws; I believe that He can do everything, He is mighty. But Jesus says himself He is a servant of God. If read the Bible's history, it is seen clearly that many adding things by men and these are illogic, esotheric things. Because the Bible has orally passed (not by recording in writing) from generation to generation.
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1/27/2016 9:34:08 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 10:18:51 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/26/2016 10:07:07 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:37:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.
Nah, poor old muhammad got a lot of what he thought he remembered of the Torah and bibles wrong though just the same.
I mean he thought that Mary was a part of the trinity he rejected, he wasn't the sharpest log in the woodpile/

Firstly, Mohammed was not old, He was at 40 when he became the Messenger and He died at 63.

Secondly, He didn't know about Torah and Bible, because He lived in Mecca where there wasn't any Jew and Christian to learn Bible.

Thirdly, Islam doesn't accept Trinity, but Mary, the mother of Jesus has a respected place in Islam.
All meaningless muslim propaganda, he was aware of the bible read your book, he tried unsuccessfully to plagiarize it. Read your book, there were christians and jews in Arabia.
Muhammad rejected the trinity of god, mary and jesus. Read your book.

Dear bulproof,
You are completely misinformed.
You don't know correctly about Qur'an but try to teach Qur'an my book to me!
You don't want to admit your false at all.

I said there were not christians and jews in MECCA not ARABIA, read correctly please!
And in the Qur'an, there is even a surah named 'Meryem' who is an honorable woman
and Jesus is one of the Messengers of God.
Where are taking so nonsense information?
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1/27/2016 1:46:15 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/27/2016 9:02:29 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/26/2016 12:40:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an, and promises unlimited orgies with 72 virgins. Not 50. Not 100. 72...

Only absirdities like "thighing 6 year old Aisha was okay because Muhammed had control of his "member" unlike any other man, he flew to Heaven on a pink unicorn, he wrote the Quran while being illiterate, he was demon posessed as a child-thought he got his "revelation" from a demon-decided to hurl himself off a cliff in a duicide attempt...and we should listen to him. He takes stories from the Bible then claims the Bible is false...

No. Nothing absurd there.
Only absurdities like it's okay to "thigh" a 6 year old Aisha, Muhammed was illiterate but wrote the Quran, Muhammed was demon posessed as a child then thought the one giving him his revelation was a demon, and he flew to Heaven on a pink unicorn...

If God decides to live in the flesh He can't. You don't thinkGod has any abilities it looks like. Can God not be what He want, how He wants, when He wants? Yes He can.

Dear,
What you have written are not from the Qur'an, they are just fabricating and esotheric tellings.

God has created this universe and put scientific laws; I believe that He can do everything, He is mighty. But Jesus says himself He is a servant of God. If read the Bible's history, it is seen clearly that many adding things by men and these are illogic, esotheric things. Because the Bible has orally passed (not by recording in writing) from generation to generation.

Then let's see what it does say
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1/27/2016 1:46:43 PM
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The Quran Dehumanizes Non-Muslims
and Says that They are Vile Animals

The Ayatollah Khomeini, who dedicated his entire life to studying Islam, said that non-Muslims" rank somewhere between "feces" and the "sweat of a camel that has consumed impure food."" Small wonder." The Quran dehumanizes non-Muslims, describing them as "animals" and beasts:
Those who disbelieve from among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)
Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to "panting dogs" with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness."

Verse 7:179 says they are like "cattle" only worse."

Verse 9:28 says the unbelievers are unclean."

Verse 6:111 says they are ignorant."

Verse 23:55 says they are helpers of the devil.

Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs." This is echoed by verses 7:166 and 2:65."

A hadith (Bukhari 54:524) says that Muhammad believed rats to be "mutated Jews" (also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).

Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than the demons who believe in Muhammad."

According to Islamic law, non-Muslims may be owned as property by Muslims, but - in keeping with Islam's supremacist message - a fellow Muslim should never be (unless they convert to Islam under enslavement)." Even Christians and Jews are not considered fully human in that the penalty for killing one of them is limited to one-third of the compensation due for unintentionally killing a Muslim.

The Quran Says that Allah does NOT Love Unbelievers

Christianity teaches that God loves all people, but hates sin." The Quran never says this." Instead it explicitly declares that Allah does not love those who do not believe in him:
He does not love the unbelievers (30:45)
Allah only loves those who obey Muhammad (at least according to Muhammad, who provided the "narration"):
"Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger": But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith. (3:32)
Instead of a god that loves the sinner, even while hating the sin, the wrath of Allah is placed squarely on the individual:
Surely Allah does not love any one who is unfaithful, ungrateful. (22:38)
Verses 11:118-199 say that Allah does not bestow mercy on everyone." For this reason, he chooses not to guide some people:
And Allah's is the direction of the way, and some (roads) go not straight. And had He willed He would have led you all aright. (16:9)
For those whom Allah does not love, there will be the most terrible of eternal torments, including eternal roasting:
Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. (4:56)
"Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers" (2:98) and, as we shall see, he hates them so much that he even leads them into sinning and actively prevents them from believing in him, thus ensuring their fate.

The Quran Says that Non-Muslims are
Destined for Eternal Torture in Hell

Although nowhere does the Quran say that Allah loves those who don"t believe Muhammad, there are over 400 verses that describe the torment that he has prepared for people of other religions (or no religion):
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)
The relative worth of non-Muslims is that they are but fuel for the fire of Hell:
(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire (3:10 Shakir: "firewood of hell")
As they are fueling the fire, unbelievers will be tormented by Allah"s angels on his command:
"O ye who believe! Ward off from yourselves and your families a Fire whereof the fuel is men and stones, over which are set angels strong, severe, who resist not Allah in that which He commandeth them, but do that which they are commanded." (66:6)
It doesn"t matter how many good deeds an unbeliever does, because they count for nothing with Allah:
The parable of those who reject their Lord is that their works are as ashes, on which the wind blows furiously on a tempestuous day: No power have they over aught that they have earned (14:18)
Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds?" Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works?" They are those who deny the Signs of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter): vain will be their works, nor shall We, on the Day of Judgment, give them any weight." That is their reward, Hell, because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and My Messengers by way of jest. (18:103-106)
Muhammad told his people that anyone who rejects his claim to be a prophet will go to Hell:
Surely those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and (those who) desire to make a distinction between Allah and His messengers and say: "We believe in some and disbelieve in others", and desire to take a course between (this and) that. These it is that are truly unbelievers, and We have prepared for the unbelievers a disgraceful chastisement. And those who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not make a distinction between any of them-- Allah will grant them their rewards (4:150-152)
In Christianity, punishment in the hereafter is directly tied to sin and "wickedness."" There is relatively little said about Hell, but the emphasis is on personal suffering for selfish or cruel deeds." In Islam, Hell is a punishment for merely not believing Muhammad"s personal claims about himself." In contrast to the Bible, every 12th verse of the Quran speaks of Hell and vividly describes Allah"s wrath on unbelievers:
But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning. (22:19-22)
No one could torture a person in this way without hating them intensely." Neither can Allah"s intense loathing for unbelievers help but affect the Muslim attitude toward those outside the faith."

The personal superiority of Muslims is confirmed by the contrasting picture painted in so many places in the Quran in which they are rewarded with the greatest of earthly comforts in heaven, while the unbelievers concurrently suffer horrible torment (see Sura 56:12 for just one example).

Allah Himself Prevents Non-Muslims from Understanding

It would make no sense if Allah gave the people that he hates an opportunity to avoid his wrath." The Quran says that Allah deliberately puts obstacles in the way of unbelievers to keep them from accepting the truth:

If Allah wished, he could provide guidance to every soul:
If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance (32:13)
But, instead he sets a veil over the hearts and coverings over their ears:
Verily We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over their ears, deafness, if thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance. (18:57) " See also 17:46 & 45:23
Allah even uses chains and barriers to prevent unbelievers from believing:
Certainly the word has proved true of most of them, so they do not believe." Surely We have placed chains on their necks, and these reach up to their chins, so they have their heads raised aloft. And We have made before them
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1/27/2016 1:53:35 PM
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Allah even uses chains and barriers to prevent unbelievers from believing:
Certainly the word has proved true of most of them, so they do not believe." Surely We have placed chains on their necks, and these reach up to their chins, so they have their heads raised aloft. And We have made before them a barrier and a barrier behind them, then We have covered them over so that they do not see. And it is alike to them whether you warn them or warn them not: they do not believe. (36:7-10)
For the same purpose, Allah also fills the hearts of unbelievers with doubt:
No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand (10:100)

Allah Actually Causes Non-Muslims to Sin

Not content with merely preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth (which is enough to condemn them to Hell) the Quran says that a hateful Allah also causes unbelievers to commit the very sin that he will later punish them for:
And if Allah please He would certainly make you a single nation, but He causes to err whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases; and most certainly you will be questioned as to what you did (16:93)
Although Satan tempts Muslims, it is Allah himself who causes unbelievers to err.
"and whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall not find a way for him. (4:143, see also 4:88 and 74:31)
Allah intentionally sends the people that he hates astray:
"and Allah sendeth him astray purposely, and sealeth up his hearing and his heart, and setteth on his sight a covering? Then who will lead him after Allah (hath condemned him)? Will ye not then heed? (45:23)
Allah even sends demons to inspire unbelievers to commit further bad deeds (that he can later hold against them):
See thou not that We have set the Evil Ones on against the unbelievers, to incite them with fury? (19:83)
According to verse 3:54, Allah plots and schemes against unbelievers using deceit (the literal meaning of makara, the word used)." Elsewhere, the Quran explains that Allah tricks unbelievers into thinking that they are doing good deeds, when, in fact, they are merely deepening their own eternal punishment with bad deeds:
As to those who do not believe in the hereafter, We have surely made their deeds fair-seeming to them, but they blindly wander on. (27:4)" See also 39:23, 6:39, 35:8, 13:27 & 14:4)
Allah recruits Satan to join Him into fooling unbelievers into thinking that they are doing good:
On the contrary their hearts became hardened, and Satan made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them. (6:43)
The joke is on non-Muslims, of course, who will protest on Judgment Day that they did everything they thought was right " but are sent to Hell anyway:
Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily Allah knows all that ye did; "So enter the gates of Hell, to dwell therein. (16:28-29)

The Quran Says that Non-Muslims Should Not be Taken as Friends

Given that Allah hates non-Muslims to the extent that he would prevent them from knowing the truth, cause them to err and then condemn them to eternal torture for their unbelief and misdeeds, it would make little sense if he intended Muslims to treat unbelievers by the same standards that they treat each other here on earth.

The Quran says that no true Muslim would ever love anyone who resists Islam, even if it is a family member:
Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. (58:22)
There are at least nine places in the Quran where believers are warned not to befriend non-Muslims:
O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves? (4:144)"
In fact, anyone who does take a non-Muslim as a friend could be accused of being an unbeliever as well:
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (5:51)
Note that Christians, accoNote that Christians, according to the Quran, are included in the ranks of "unbelievers":
They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary (5:17)
Muhammad said that unbelievers have it out for Muslims." They may appear harmless or friendly, but, in reality, they harbor corruption and evil intentions:
O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse (3:118)

For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies (4:101)

As for them, they are but plotting a scheme (86:15)
Those outside of Islam are really helpers of evil against Allah:
The Misbeliever is a helper (of Evil), against his own Lord! (25:55)
The Quran says that "hostility and hate" will exist between Muslims and infidels "for ever" until the latter "believe in Allah alone." (60:4)

Instead of befriending non-Muslims, the Quran encourages hostility." Muslims are ordered to fight unbelievers:
O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty. (9:123)
The Quran tells Muslims that they will spend eternity laughing at unbelievers (83:34) and mocking their suffering as they are tortured in Hell:
And the dwellers of the garden will call out to the inmates of the fire: Surely we have found what our Lord promised us to be true; have you too found what your Lord promised to be true? They will say: Yes. Then a crier will cry out among them that the curse of Allah is on the unjust. (7:44) " Muhammad got an early start on this by personally mocking his dead enemies following the Battle of Badr (Ibn Ishaq 454)
One does not befriend thosOne does not befriend those over whose suffering they will later rejoice, nor does it make any sense that Muslims would befriend those whom the Quran labels "enemies of Allah" by virtue of their unbelief."

The Quran Says that Other Religions are Cursed by Allah

Buddhists in Thailand, Jews in Israel, Christians in Indonesia, Hindus in India..." Why is Islam at war with every major world religion, when none of these religions are at war with each other?" Part of the reason is that the Quran is specific about the inferiority of other faiths (see 48:28) and the hatred that Allah harbors for their people.

Although religious Muslims typically become upset when someone "insults" their religion, here is what the Quran says about Jews and Christians:
The Jews call Ezra a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! (9:30) (See also Bukhari 8:427), one of the last things Muhammad ever said on his deathbed was "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians.")
The Quran specifically addresses Christians, Jews, Polytheists (Hindus) and atheists:

Christians are disbelievers (98:5-6) and blasphemers (5:17, <5:73) who have invented a lie about Allah (10:68-69) by ascribing partners to Allah (ie. the Trinity)." Inventing a lie about Allah is the worst of sins (7:37, 29:68) and for this reason Christians are condemned to Hell (10:70)." Although one (early Medinan) verse seems to say that righteous Christians will go to heaven, this is abrogated by later verses that make it very clear that Christians must cease being Christian (ie. reject the Trinity) or suffer eternal torment for their beliefs (5:72-73).

Jews are also cursed by Allah (5:13), in one of his final pronouncements." The Quran goes on to assure Musl
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1/27/2016 2:04:25 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

of course there isn't, the koran was just made up by a paedophile, mad man...
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1/27/2016 2:23:00 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 10:18:51 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/26/2016 10:07:07 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:37:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.
Nah, poor old muhammad got a lot of what he thought he remembered of the Torah and bibles wrong though just the same.
I mean he thought that Mary was a part of the trinity he rejected, he wasn't the sharpest log in the woodpile/

Firstly, Mohammed was not old, He was at 40 when he became the Messenger and He died at 63.

Secondly, He didn't know about Torah and Bible, because He lived in Mecca where there wasn't any Jew and Christian to learn Bible.

Thirdly, Islam doesn't accept Trinity, but Mary, the mother of Jesus has a respected place in Islam.
All meaningless muslim propaganda, he was aware of the bible read your book, he tried unsuccessfully to plagiarize it. Read your book, there were christians and jews in Arabia.
Muhammad rejected the trinity of god, mary and jesus. Read your book.

bulproof is correct, I recall watching a documentary that discussed some detail about Mohammad. He was in contact not only with Christians but with Jews.

I was trying to find a link to back it up, and came across this interesting site.

http://www.hope-of-israel.org...
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1/27/2016 4:38:35 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

Perhaps, but the Quran is filled with absurd expressions, just not the same ones as the Bible.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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1/27/2016 5:21:28 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/27/2016 9:34:08 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/26/2016 10:18:51 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/26/2016 10:07:07 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:37:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.
Nah, poor old muhammad got a lot of what he thought he remembered of the Torah and bibles wrong though just the same.
I mean he thought that Mary was a part of the trinity he rejected, he wasn't the sharpest log in the woodpile/

Firstly, Mohammed was not old, He was at 40 when he became the Messenger and He died at 63.

Secondly, He didn't know about Torah and Bible, because He lived in Mecca where there wasn't any Jew and Christian to learn Bible.

Thirdly, Islam doesn't accept Trinity, but Mary, the mother of Jesus has a respected place in Islam.
All meaningless muslim propaganda, he was aware of the bible read your book, he tried unsuccessfully to plagiarize it. Read your book, there were christians and jews in Arabia.
Muhammad rejected the trinity of god, mary and jesus. Read your book.

Dear bulproof,
You are completely misinformed.
You don't know correctly about Qur'an but try to teach Qur'an my book to me!
You don't want to admit your false at all.

I said there were not christians and jews in MECCA not ARABIA, read correctly please!
And in the Qur'an, there is even a surah named 'Meryem' who is an honorable woman
and Jesus is one of the Messengers of God.
Where are taking so nonsense information?

I have some standard questions for you. Don't be alarmed.

1)Did Muhammed thigh Aisha at age 6?

2)Was Muhammed eaccused of being demon posessed as achild?

3)Did Muhammed initially believe the "angel" who gave him his revelation was a demon?

4)why are nonmuslims not allowed into Mecca?
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1/27/2016 5:23:06 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
5)How many wives did Muhammed have?

6)How many times did Muhammed get divorced?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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1/28/2016 9:32:28 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/27/2016 5:21:28 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 1/27/2016 9:34:08 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/26/2016 10:18:51 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/26/2016 10:07:07 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:37:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.
Nah, poor old muhammad got a lot of what he thought he remembered of the Torah and bibles wrong though just the same.
I mean he thought that Mary was a part of the trinity he rejected, he wasn't the sharpest log in the woodpile/

Firstly, Mohammed was not old, He was at 40 when he became the Messenger and He died at 63.

Secondly, He didn't know about Torah and Bible, because He lived in Mecca where there wasn't any Jew and Christian to learn Bible.

Thirdly, Islam doesn't accept Trinity, but Mary, the mother of Jesus has a respected place in Islam.
All meaningless muslim propaganda, he was aware of the bible read your book, he tried unsuccessfully to plagiarize it. Read your book, there were christians and jews in Arabia.
Muhammad rejected the trinity of god, mary and jesus. Read your book.

Dear bulproof,
You are completely misinformed.
You don't know correctly about Qur'an but try to teach Qur'an my book to me!
You don't want to admit your false at all.

I said there were not christians and jews in MECCA not ARABIA, read correctly please!
And in the Qur'an, there is even a surah named 'Meryem' who is an honorable woman
and Jesus is one of the Messengers of God.
Where are taking so nonsense information?

I have some standard questions for you. Don't be alarmed.

1)Did Muhammed thigh Aisha at age 6?

2)Was Muhammed eaccused of being demon posessed as achild?

3)Did Muhammed initially believe the "angel" who gave him his revelation was a demon?

4)why are nonmuslims not allowed into Mecca?

I'll reply according to the Qur'an, because the just authentic source is it.

1) No. Because there was a marriageable age. Look Nisa 6:
'And test the orphans [in their abilities] until they reach marriageable age. Then if you perceive in them sound judgement, release their property to them...'

2) When? Today or at that era?!!!

3) No. He didn't. Because He made the revelation written down and spread right away.( This shows He has no doubt.)

4) It may be that there is a sentence of Mohammed 'nonmuslim are unclean' but this expression for enemy nonmuslims who were fighting at that period, not for today's nonmuslim, so according to me, everyone (Muslim or nonmuslim) can be allowed.
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1/28/2016 9:35:26 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/27/2016 4:38:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

Perhaps, but the Quran is filled with absurd expressions, just not the same ones as the Bible.

For example?
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1/28/2016 9:41:02 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/27/2016 2:04:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

of course there isn't, the koran was just made up by a paedophile, mad man...

A classic gossip.
I am sure you have never read the Qur'an.
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1/28/2016 11:05:49 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 9:35:26 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/27/2016 4:38:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

Perhaps, but the Quran is filled with absurd expressions, just not the same ones as the Bible.

For example?

https://www.youtube.com...
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1/28/2016 12:09:10 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 11:05:49 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 1/28/2016 9:35:26 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/27/2016 4:38:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

Perhaps, but the Quran is filled with absurd expressions, just not the same ones as the Bible.

For example?

https://www.youtube.com...

What a mockery that is....ridiculous.

https://www.youtube.com...
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1/28/2016 12:10:45 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 12:09:10 PM, be_diligent wrote:
At 1/28/2016 11:05:49 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 1/28/2016 9:35:26 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/27/2016 4:38:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

Perhaps, but the Quran is filled with absurd expressions, just not the same ones as the Bible.

For example?

https://www.youtube.com...

What a mockery that is....ridiculous.

https://www.youtube.com...

This explains their Borg box in Mecca.
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1/28/2016 12:41:18 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 12:10:45 PM, be_diligent wrote:
At 1/28/2016 12:09:10 PM, be_diligent wrote:
At 1/28/2016 11:05:49 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 1/28/2016 9:35:26 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/27/2016 4:38:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

Perhaps, but the Quran is filled with absurd expressions, just not the same ones as the Bible.

For example?

https://www.youtube.com...

What a mockery that is....ridiculous.

https://www.youtube.com...

This explains their Borg box in Mecca.

lol what i posted is a mockery right? yep making fun of God Almighty shaving hairs on poeples head and legs, pathetic cant see that the "bible" makes mockery of God in the strongest terms?
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1/28/2016 5:13:35 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 9:35:26 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/27/2016 4:38:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

Perhaps, but the Quran is filled with absurd expressions, just not the same ones as the Bible.

For example?

Sura 2:178 - RETALIATION IS PRESCRIBED FOR YOU IN CASES OF MURDER, FREE MAN FOR FREE MAN, SLAVE FOR SLAVE, FEMALE FOR FEMALE

Quran Surah 2: The Cow

Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 6
Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 10
A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 24
Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 39, 90
For disbelievers is a painful doom. 104
For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 114
Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 126
The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 162
They will not emerge from the Fire. 167
Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 174
How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 175
War is ordained by Allah. 216
Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 217
Disbelievers worship false gods. They will burn forever in the Fire. 257
Allah does not guide disbelievers. 264
"Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 286

Quran Surah 3: The Family Of 'Imran

Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4
Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10
Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 12
Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21
Theirs will be a painful doom. 77
All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 85
Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 91
Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 105-6
Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 116
The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 131
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 151
Theirs will be an awful doom. 176
Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 177
Disbelievers will have a shamful doom. 178
Disbelievers will go to Hell. 196

Quran Surah 4: Women

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 14
For the disbelievers, We have prepared a painful doom. 18
For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 37
Hell is sufficient for their burning. 55
Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 56
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 74
Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 76
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 89
Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 115
Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 137
For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 138
Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 140
The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 145
You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 150-151
For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 161
God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 168-169

Quran Surah 5: The Table Spread

Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 10
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 33 (Anyone who resist Islam is deemed to be making war with Allah) Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 36
Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 37
Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. Non-muslims are wrong doers. 45
Christians will be burned in the Fire. 72
Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 73
Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 86

Quran Surah 6: The Cattle

Many generations have been destroyed by Allah. 6
Allah will torment those who deny his revelations. 49
Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 70
When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 93
Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 125
Allah will send everyone the Fire, except those he chooses to deliver. 128

Quran Surah 7: The Heights

How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 4-5
Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 27
Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 30
Only believers go to heaven. 32
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 36
Entire nations have entered the Fire. Some get a double torment. 38
Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 40-41
Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 50
Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 177

Quran Surah 8: The Spoils of War

Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 12
Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 14
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 15-16
Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 35
Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 36
The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 50
The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 55
Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 65
A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 67

Surah 9: Repentance

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 3
Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 17
Give tiding of a painful doom to Christians and Jews. 34
If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 39
Disbelievers go to hell. 49
Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 60
Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 63
Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 68
Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 73
Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 74
For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 90
Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 113
Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 123

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1/28/2016 5:15:28 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 9:35:26 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/27/2016 4:38:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

Perhaps, but the Quran is filled with absurd expressions, just not the same ones as the Bible.

For example?
Quran Surah 10: Jonah

Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 4
Those who neglect Allah's revelations will make their home in the Fire. 7-8
Allah has destoyed entire generations. 13
Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 70
Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 73
Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 88

Quran Surah 11: Hud

Disbelievers wil1 end up in the Fire. 17
Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 18-19
Those in the Fire will suffer as long as the heavens and earth endure. 106-7
Allah will fill hell with humans and jinn. 119

Quran Surah 13: The Thunder

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 5
Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 14
Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 18
Disbelievers will be tormented in this life, and suffer even more pain in the Hereafter. 33-34
The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 35

Quran Surah 14: Abraham

Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2
Allah sends some people astray. 4
Those who are in hell will be forced to drink festering water which they can hardly swallow. They will want to die, but they will not be able to. Theirs is a harsh doom. 16-17 Allah sends wrong-doers astray. He does whatever he likes. 27
Those in hell will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces. 49-50

Quran Surah 15: The Rock

Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 2-3
Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 39-43
Allah's doom is a dolorous doom. 50

Quran Surah 16: The Bee

Allah could have led everyone to the truth, but he chose not to. 9
Those who don't believe in the Hearafter are proud. 22
Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 27-29
Disbelievers are liars. 39
Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 88
Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 94

Quran Surah 17: The Children of Israel

Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 8
Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 10
Allah destroyed entire towns. 16
How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17
Allah intends to burn people in hell. 18
Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 45-46
Allah will destroy every town before the Day of Resurrection. 58
Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 97-98

Quran Surah 18: The Cave

Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 29
Those who are condemned to the Fire know they will have no way to escape. 53
The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 57
There is an appointed time in which the doomed will find no escape. 58
Allah has destroyed many towns. 59
On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 100
Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 102
Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 106

Quran Surah 19: Mary

Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 69-70
Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 77-79
Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 83
Allah has destroyed many generations. 98

Quran Surah 20: Ta Ha

Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 127
Allah has destroyed many generations. 128

Quran Surah 21: The Prophets

Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 6
The people cried out for mercy, but Allah killed them anyway. 15
Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 39-40
Allah gave judgment and knowledge to Lot . He was a righteous man. (Genesis 19:7-38) 75
Every person alive at the time of the flood was evil. So Allah drowned them all. 77
The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 97-99

Surah 22: The Pilgrimage

The devil will guide some to the punishment of the Flame. 3-4
Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 9
Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 15
Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 19-22 Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 25
How many towns Allah has destroyed! 45
Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 51
Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 57
Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 72

Quran Surah 23: The Believers

Allah told Noah not to bother pleading for the people he was about to drown. 27
Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 74-77
When fire burns their faces, they will be glum. 104
Disbelievers will not be successful. 117

Surah 24: The Light

Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 2
Only adulterers can marry adulteresses. Believers are not to marry them. 3
Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. 26
Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 31 Disbelievers are miscreants. 55
Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 57
It's okay for believers to own slaves. 58
The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 62

Quran Surah 25: The Criterion

Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 11-13
Allah will force the evil-doers to taste great torment. 19
It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 26-27
Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 36
Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 37

Quran Surah 26: The Poets

Allah destroyed the people in Lot 's town with a dreadful rain. 172-3
Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 201
Those who believe in another god are doomed. 213

Quran Surah 27: The Ant

Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 4-5 "Allah destroyed them and their people, every one." 51
But he "saved those who believed." 53
Allah sent a dreadful rain on "those who stayed behind." 58
Whoever does something wrong will be thrown into the Fire. 90
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a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
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1/28/2016 5:16:32 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 9:35:26 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/27/2016 4:38:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

Perhaps, but the Quran is filled with absurd expressions, just not the same ones as the Bible.

For example?

Quran Surah 28: The Narrative

Allah has completely destroyed many communities. 58
Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 62-64
Allah caused the earth to swallow Korah. 79-81
Never help disbelievers. 86 (Can Muslims in countries ruled in by non-Muslims be loyal to their country?)

Quran Surah 29: The Spider

Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 23
Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 49
Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 52
The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 53-55

Quran Surah 30: The Romans

Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him. 13-14
Disbelievers will be brought to doom. 16
It's OK to own slaves. 28
Allah does not love disbelievers. 45
Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 59

Quran Surah 31: Luqman

Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 6-7
Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 23-24

Quran Surah 32: The Prostration

Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 13
Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 14
Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 20
The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 22

Quran Surah 33: The Clans

Don't obey disbelievers. 1 (Can Muslims in countries ruled in by non-Muslims be loyal to their country?) Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 19
Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 25-26
Allah gave Zeyd's wife, his own daughter in law to Muhammad in marriage. This was so that all Muslims would know that it's OK to marry your adopted son's ex-wife. 37
Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 48
It's OK to own slaves. 50
Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 50-51
It's OK to own slaves. 55
Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 57
Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 60-61
Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 64-65
The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 66-68

Quran Surah 34: Saba

Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 5
Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 8
But some of the jinn Allah burned with flaming Fire. 12
Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 38
Those who worshipped the jinn will taste the doom of the Fire. 41
Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 45
Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 51-52

Quran Surah 35: The Angels

Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 7
Allah sends whoever he wants astray. 8
Allah hates disbelievers. 26
Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 36-7 He who disbelieves, his disbelief will be on his own head. 39
Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don't bother warning them.

Quran Surah 36: Ya Sin

They will go to hell anyway. 8-10
Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 31
If Allah feels like it, he will drown everyone. 43
Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 63-4

Quran Surah 37: Those Who Set The Ranks
Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad's revelations will face a painful doom. 31-38
Those in hell must eat from a tree with the heads of devils, and then drink boiling water. After that they return to hell. 62-68
Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 82
Allah tells Abraham in a dream to sacrifice his son. (But is the son Ishmael or Isaac?) 102
Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 136
No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 162-3

Quran Surah 38: Sad

Allah has destroyed many generations. 3
Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 8
Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 14
Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 26
Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 27
The transgressors will roast in the Fire and be forced to drink boiling liquids followed by ice cold drinks. 55-9
Iblis asks Allah to let him hang around and mislead humans. Allah allows him to do so, and Iblis leads all humans to hell except for the single-minded slaves. Allah agrees, and plans to fill hell with Iblis and his followers. 79-85

Quran Surah 39: The Troops

Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 8
The losers will be those who lose themselves and their families on the Day of Resurrection. They will be surrounded by fire. 15-16
No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 19
Woe unto those who forget Allah. They are in plain error. 22
Allah sends some people astray. For them there is no guide. 23
The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 32
Allah sends some people astray. For them there is no guide. 36
Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 54-55
Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 60
Losers are those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah. 63
Those ascribe a partner to Allah (like the Christians) will be among the losers. 65
Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 71-72

Quran Surah 40: The Believer

Allah sent an awful punishment at the time of Noah. 5
Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 6
Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve. 10
When the doom comes, the hearts of the doomed will choke in their throats, and no one will help them. 18
Those who ignore Allah's "clear proofs" will be seized and punished severely. 22
Those that Allah sends astray will have no helper or guide. 33
Allah deceives those who doubt. 34
The prodigals will be owners of the Fire. 43
The doomed will be exposed to the Fire morning and evening. 46
Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire's torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 49-50
Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 56
Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 60
Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 63
Those who deny the Scripture and Allah's messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 70-72
Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my partners that you used to believe in? 73
Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 74
Those who scorn will go to hell. 76
When they see Allah's doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 84-85
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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1/28/2016 5:18:30 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 9:35:26 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/27/2016 4:38:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

Perhaps, but the Quran is filled with absurd expressions, just not the same ones as the Bible.

For example?

Quran Surah 42: The Counsel

While some lounge in the Garden, others will roast in the Flame. 7
Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 16
Allah sometimes kills people for misbehaving. 34
Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 44-46
Allah makes some people barren. (Whenever he feels like it.) 50

Quran Surah 43: Ornaments of God

When the Egyptians angered Allah, he drowned them all. 55
Those who argue and do wrong will have a painful doom that will come upon them suddenly. 65-66
The guilty are tormented forever in hell. Allah will not relax their punishment. 74-75

Quran Surah 44: Smoke

Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 11-16
Those in hell must eat from a tree like molten brass that burns their bellies. Then boiling water will be poured on their heads. 43-48

Quran Surah 45: Crouching

Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 7-8
Those who joke about Allah's revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be an awful doom. 9-10
Those who disbelieve in Allah's revelations will have a painful doom of wrath. 11
Allah sends some people astray, making it impossible for them to hear or see. 23
Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 31

Quran Surah 46: The Wind-Curved Sandals

Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 20
The guilty will face a wind with a painful torment. 25
Allah has destroyed entire towns. 27
Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved." 34

Quran Surah 47: Muhammad
Allah makes the works of disbelievers vain. 1
Those who disbelieve follow falsehood. 3
Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 4
Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 8-9
Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 12
Those in the Garden will drink delicious wine, while those in the Fire will drink boiling water that will tear apart their intestines. 15
Allah curses people by making them deaf and blind. 23
Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 27
Allah will make the actions those who disbelieve fruitless. 32
Those who disbelieve will never be pardoned by Allah. 34-35

Quran Surah 48: Victory

Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 6
Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 13
If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 16-17
But if you're willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty. 19-20
Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 25
Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 29

Quran Surah 49: The Private Apartments

Do not lift your voice when in Muhammad's presence. Those who subdue their voices are righteous and will receive an immense reward from Allah. 1-3

Quran Surah 50: Oaf

Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 36

Quran Surah 51: The Winnowing Winds
Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 10-14 Woe to the disbelievers. 60

Quran Surah 52: The Mount
Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 11-16
Those who disbelieve are trapped. 42

Quran Surah 54: The Moon

Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot's folk, killing all but Lot 's family. 34
The suffering in hell will be more wretched and bitter than anything experienced on earth. 46-48
Allah destroyed many people, but does anyone remember anymore? 51

Quran Surah 55: The Beneficent

The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 43-44

Quran Surah 56: The Event

But those on his left hand will face scorching wind, scalding water, and black smoke. 42-43
Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 51-54
Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 92-94

Quran Surah 57: Iron

The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey's end. 15
Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelations are the owners of the fire. 19

Quran Surah 58: She That Disputeth

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 4
For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 5
Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 14-15
Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 16-17
Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 20
On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 22

Quran Surah 59: Exile

Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 2-3
The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 11
The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 16-17
The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 20

Quran Surah 60: She That is to be Examined

Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 1
Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 9
Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies. 13

Quran Surah 61: The Ranks

Allah loves those who fight for him. 4
Allah leads some people astray. 5
The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. 7

Quran Surah 62: The Congregation

A hypocritical Jew looks like an a$$ carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 5

Quran Surah 63: The Hypocrites

Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 3
Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 4
Don't bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 6

Quran Surah 64: Mutual Disillusion

Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 5
Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 10

Quran Surah 66: Banning

Muhammad's wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones. 5
The fuel of the Fire is men and stones. 6
Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 9
The wives of Noah and Lot (who were both righteous) betrayed their husbands and are now in the Fire. 10

Quran Surah67: The Sovereignty

Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 6-7
Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 28

Quran Surah 69: The Reality

Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 30-35

Quran Surah 71: Noah

Those that Allah drowned in Noah's flood were then tortured forever in the Fire. 25
Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 26
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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1/28/2016 5:19:16 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 9:35:26 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/27/2016 4:38:35 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

Perhaps, but the Quran is filled with absurd expressions, just not the same ones as the Bible.

For example?

Quran Surah 72: The Jinn

The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 15-17
Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 23

Quran Surah 73: The Enshrouded One

Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 11-13

Quran Surah 74: The Cloaked One

The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 9-10
Those who are stubborn to Allah's revelations will face a fearful doom. 16-17
The fire of hell shrivels humans and spares nothing. 27-29
Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 31
Allah is the font of fear. 56

Quran Surah 76: "Time" or "Man"

Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 4
Don't obey disbelievers. 24

Quran Surah 77: The Emissaries

Allah destroyed "the former folk." 16
Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 19, 24, 28, 34, 40, 45, 49

Quran Surah 79: "Those Who Drag Forth"
Those who rebel will go to hell. 37-39

Quran Surah 80: "He Frowned"

Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 40-42

Quran Surah 82: The Cleaving

The wicked will burn in hell forever. 82

Quran Surah 84: The Sundering

Some folks will be thrown into a scorching fire. 11-12
Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 22-24

Quran Surah 87: The Most High

Those who are flung into the great Fire will neither live nor die. 12-13

Quran Surah 88: The Overwhelming

On that day many will be sad and weary. Scorched by the fire, drinking boiling water, with only bitter thorn-fruit to eat. 2-7
Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 23-24

Quran Surah 89: The Dawn

Allah poured on them the disaster of His punishment. 13

Quran Surah 90: The City

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 19-20

Quran Surah92: The Night

Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire. 14-16
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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1/28/2016 5:51:19 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 9:41:02 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 1/27/2016 2:04:25 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 1/26/2016 9:28:18 AM, frbnsn wrote:
There is no absurd expressions like 'God is Jesus (a man!)', trinity, triune, 'Eve is derived from Adam's rib', 'God went to rest'... in the Qur'an.

of course there isn't, the koran was just made up by a paedophile, mad man...

A classic gossip.
I am sure you have never read the Qur'an.

of course i have...

by gossip do you mean someone telling the truth but you don't like it...

did muhammered marry a five year old and have sex with her at nine...

i think that makes him a paedophile...