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1/31/2016 12:44:34 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Bs"d

What is going on in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9?

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Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.
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1/31/2016 1:48:30 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/31/2016 12:44:34 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

What is going on in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9?

Read the answer here: https://sites.google.com...

The 70 weeks of Daniel are over, Daniel 9 has been fulfilled exactly on time. They ran out with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, which was the desolation foretold.

Everything that was supposed to happen, happened.
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1/31/2016 2:46:06 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/31/2016 1:48:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 12:44:34 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

What is going on in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9?

Read the answer here: https://sites.google.com...

The 70 weeks of Daniel are over, Daniel 9 has been fulfilled exactly on time. They ran out with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, which was the desolation foretold.

Everything that was supposed to happen, happened.
So Danny boy died after Mick? I never knew that.
In fact a long time after, wow.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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1/31/2016 6:52:21 PM
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The vast majority of Bible scholars would say that Daniel's so-called 'prophecies' fit with actual events so well only because Daniel was written after they happened, not before. The alternative view - that they are actual magical foretellings of the future - tends to be held principally by televangelists and religous writers, (ie not many theology professors.)

Specfically, the academic consensus is that while Daniel is set in the 7th century BC, it was actually written some 500 years later.

In fact, if you start with the wikipedia article it begins to go into the reasons why someone in 200BC would forge a story from 500 years before. There are reasons why the OT was written down and developed as it did - but telling honest truth wasn't one of them. For example the story of Exodus (another thread) was part of a deliberately and consciously created pseudo-history of the Jews largely composed during the Babylonian exile... its interesting stuff because the OT is less about history than psychology and the power of propaganda.
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1/31/2016 10:29:23 PM
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At 1/31/2016 6:52:21 PM, keithprosser wrote:
The vast majority of Bible scholars would say that Daniel's so-called 'prophecies' fit with actual events so well only because Daniel was written after they happened, not before. The alternative view - that they are actual magical foretellings of the future - tends to be held principally by televangelists and religous writers, (ie not many theology professors.)

Specfically, the academic consensus is that while Daniel is set in the 7th century BC, it was actually written some 500 years later.

In fact, if you start with the wikipedia article it begins to go into the reasons why someone in 200BC would forge a story from 500 years before. There are reasons why the OT was written down and developed as it did - but telling honest truth wasn't one of them. For example the story of Exodus (another thread) was part of a deliberately and consciously created pseudo-history of the Jews largely composed during the Babylonian exile... its interesting stuff because the OT is less about history than psychology and the power of propaganda.

Of course, those who do not wish to believe it will refuse to, however Christ quoted from Daniel 9.
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1/31/2016 10:30:32 PM
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At 1/31/2016 2:46:06 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 1:48:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 12:44:34 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

What is going on in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9?

Read the answer here: https://sites.google.com...

The 70 weeks of Daniel are over, Daniel 9 has been fulfilled exactly on time. They ran out with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, which was the desolation foretold.

Everything that was supposed to happen, happened.
So Danny boy died after Mick? I never knew that.
In fact a long time after, wow.

No, he didn't, Daniel was dead long before Christ walked the earth. That is why Christ was able to quote from Daniel 9.
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1/31/2016 11:26:55 PM
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At 1/31/2016 6:52:21 PM, keithprosser wrote:
The vast majority of Bible scholars would say that Daniel's so-called 'prophecies' fit with actual events so well only because Daniel was written after they happened, not before. The alternative view - that they are actual magical foretellings of the future - tends to be held principally by televangelists and religous writers, (ie not many theology professors.)

Specfically, the academic consensus is that while Daniel is set in the 7th century BC, it was actually written some 500 years later.

We need to see some sort of proof of that last statement.
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2/1/2016 2:56:36 AM
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At 1/31/2016 6:52:21 PM, keithprosser wrote:
The vast majority of Bible scholars would say that Daniel's so-called 'prophecies' fit with actual events so well only because Daniel was written after they happened, not before. The alternative view - that they are actual magical foretellings of the future - tends to be held principally by televangelists and religous writers, (ie not many theology professors.)

Specfically, the academic consensus is that while Daniel is set in the 7th century BC, it was actually written some 500 years later.

In fact, if you start with the wikipedia article it begins to go into the reasons why someone in 200BC would forge a story from 500 years before. There are reasons why the OT was written down and developed as it did - but telling honest truth wasn't one of them. For example the story of Exodus (another thread) was part of a deliberately and consciously created pseudo-history of the Jews largely composed during the Babylonian exile... its interesting stuff because the OT is less about history than psychology and the power of propaganda.

You got that right.
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2/1/2016 3:25:43 AM
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At 1/31/2016 10:30:32 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 2:46:06 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 1:48:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 12:44:34 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

What is going on in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9?

Read the answer here: https://sites.google.com...

The 70 weeks of Daniel are over, Daniel 9 has been fulfilled exactly on time. They ran out with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, which was the desolation foretold.

Everything that was supposed to happen, happened.
So Danny boy died after Mick? I never knew that.
In fact a long time after, wow.

No, he didn't, Daniel was dead long before Christ walked the earth. That is why Christ was able to quote from Daniel 9.
How do you figure that?
The temple was destroyed over 1700wks after Micks death and only 70wks after Danny's.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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2/1/2016 3:43:05 AM
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At 2/1/2016 3:25:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 10:30:32 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 2:46:06 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 1:48:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 12:44:34 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

What is going on in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9?

Read the answer here: https://sites.google.com...

The 70 weeks of Daniel are over, Daniel 9 has been fulfilled exactly on time. They ran out with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, which was the desolation foretold.

Everything that was supposed to happen, happened.
So Danny boy died after Mick? I never knew that.
In fact a long time after, wow.

No, he didn't, Daniel was dead long before Christ walked the earth. That is why Christ was able to quote from Daniel 9.
How do you figure that?
The temple was destroyed over 1700wks after Micks death and only 70wks after Danny's.
You're one of those people who are so pathetic you listen to other peoples conversations and pretend they're talking to you, don't you?
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2/1/2016 3:45:05 AM
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At 2/1/2016 3:43:05 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:25:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 10:30:32 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 2:46:06 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 1:48:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 12:44:34 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

What is going on in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9?

Read the answer here: https://sites.google.com...

The 70 weeks of Daniel are over, Daniel 9 has been fulfilled exactly on time. They ran out with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, which was the desolation foretold.

Everything that was supposed to happen, happened.
So Danny boy died after Mick? I never knew that.
In fact a long time after, wow.

No, he didn't, Daniel was dead long before Christ walked the earth. That is why Christ was able to quote from Daniel 9.
How do you figure that?
The temple was destroyed over 1700wks after Micks death and only 70wks after Danny's.
You're one of those people who are so pathetic you listen to other peoples conversations and pretend they're talking to you, don't you?
I see you have trouble understanding time as well, that's understandable.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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2/1/2016 3:45:38 AM
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At 1/31/2016 12:44:34 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

What is going on in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9?

Read the answer here: https://sites.google.com...
Too much semantics. Arguments as to what and how something should be considered a king or anointed or leader, therefore what constitutes a messiah, isn't very persuasive.
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2/1/2016 3:46:41 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/1/2016 3:45:05 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:43:05 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:25:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 10:30:32 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 2:46:06 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 1:48:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 12:44:34 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

What is going on in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9?

Read the answer here: https://sites.google.com...

The 70 weeks of Daniel are over, Daniel 9 has been fulfilled exactly on time. They ran out with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, which was the desolation foretold.

Everything that was supposed to happen, happened.
So Danny boy died after Mick? I never knew that.
In fact a long time after, wow.

No, he didn't, Daniel was dead long before Christ walked the earth. That is why Christ was able to quote from Daniel 9.
How do you figure that?
The temple was destroyed over 1700wks after Micks death and only 70wks after Danny's.
You're one of those people who are so pathetic you listen to other peoples conversations and pretend they're talking to you, don't you?
I see you have trouble understanding time as well, that's understandable.
Do tell, exactly what is time saying and what should I be understanding?
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2/1/2016 3:53:16 AM
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At 2/1/2016 3:46:41 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:45:05 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:43:05 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:25:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 10:30:32 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 2:46:06 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 1:48:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 12:44:34 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

What is going on in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9?

Read the answer here: https://sites.google.com...

The 70 weeks of Daniel are over, Daniel 9 has been fulfilled exactly on time. They ran out with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, which was the desolation foretold.

Everything that was supposed to happen, happened.
So Danny boy died after Mick? I never knew that.
In fact a long time after, wow.

No, he didn't, Daniel was dead long before Christ walked the earth. That is why Christ was able to quote from Daniel 9.
How do you figure that?
The temple was destroyed over 1700wks after Micks death and only 70wks after Danny's.
You're one of those people who are so pathetic you listen to other peoples conversations and pretend they're talking to you, don't you?
I see you have trouble understanding time as well, that's understandable.
Do tell, exactly what is time saying and what should I be understanding?
I see English doesn't appear on your list of things you understand either.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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2/1/2016 4:27:04 AM
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At 2/1/2016 3:53:16 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:46:41 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:45:05 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:43:05 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:25:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 10:30:32 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 2:46:06 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 1:48:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 12:44:34 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

What is going on in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9?

Read the answer here: https://sites.google.com...

The 70 weeks of Daniel are over, Daniel 9 has been fulfilled exactly on time. They ran out with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, which was the desolation foretold.

Everything that was supposed to happen, happened.
So Danny boy died after Mick? I never knew that.
In fact a long time after, wow.

No, he didn't, Daniel was dead long before Christ walked the earth. That is why Christ was able to quote from Daniel 9.
How do you figure that?
The temple was destroyed over 1700wks after Micks death and only 70wks after Danny's.
You're one of those people who are so pathetic you listen to other peoples conversations and pretend they're talking to you, don't you?
I see you have trouble understanding time as well, that's understandable.
Do tell, exactly what is time saying and what should I be understanding?
I see English doesn't appear on your list of things you understand either.
And yet you still aren't smart enough to refrain from communicating with me using it. Who's the one that has trouble understanding? Lol
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2/1/2016 5:11:53 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/1/2016 4:27:04 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:53:16 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:46:41 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:45:05 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:43:05 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:25:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 10:30:32 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 2:46:06 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 1:48:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 12:44:34 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

What is going on in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9?

Read the answer here: https://sites.google.com...

The 70 weeks of Daniel are over, Daniel 9 has been fulfilled exactly on time. They ran out with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, which was the desolation foretold.

Everything that was supposed to happen, happened.
So Danny boy died after Mick? I never knew that.
In fact a long time after, wow.

No, he didn't, Daniel was dead long before Christ walked the earth. That is why Christ was able to quote from Daniel 9.
How do you figure that?
The temple was destroyed over 1700wks after Micks death and only 70wks after Danny's.
You're one of those people who are so pathetic you listen to other peoples conversations and pretend they're talking to you, don't you?
I see you have trouble understanding time as well, that's understandable.
Do tell, exactly what is time saying and what should I be understanding?
I see English doesn't appear on your list of things you understand either.
And yet you still aren't smart enough to refrain from communicating with me using it. Who's the one that has trouble understanding? Lol
LMFAO. Thanks.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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2/1/2016 5:41:10 AM
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Specfically, the academic consensus is that while Daniel is set in the 7th century BC, it was actually written some 500 years later.


We need to see some sort of proof of that last statement.

I don't know how you could have avoided seeing some sort of proof of it if you'd done any research. There are plenty of sites that claim Daniel is truly ptophetic (often such sites try to sell you a book about it, usually along with one on the Bible code), but more academic works and encyclopedias are pretty much unanimous that Daniel was written long after the events it describes. It's not really all that contentious.
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2/1/2016 6:41:32 AM
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At 2/1/2016 5:41:10 AM, keithprosser wrote:
Specfically, the academic consensus is that while Daniel is set in the 7th century BC, it was actually written some 500 years later.


We need to see some sort of proof of that last statement.

I don't know how you could have avoided seeing some sort of proof of it if you'd done any research. There are plenty of sites that claim Daniel is truly ptophetic (often such sites try to sell you a book about it, usually along with one on the Bible code), but more academic works and encyclopedias are pretty much unanimous that Daniel was written long after the events it describes. It's not really all that contentious.

Thus far, I have seen zero proof that Daniel was written circa 200 BC. I've seen a lot of theories.
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2/1/2016 7:09:27 AM
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At 1/31/2016 6:52:21 PM, keithprosser wrote:
The vast majority of Bible scholars would say that Daniel's so-called 'prophecies' fit with actual events so well only because Daniel was written after they happened, not before. The alternative view - that they are actual magical foretellings of the future - tends to be held principally by televangelists and religous writers, (ie not many theology professors.)

Specfically, the academic consensus is that while Daniel is set in the 7th century BC, it was actually written some 500 years later.

In fact, if you start with the wikipedia article it begins to go into the reasons why someone in 200BC would forge a story from 500 years before. There are reasons why the OT was written down and developed as it did - but telling honest truth wasn't one of them. For example the story of Exodus (another thread) was part of a deliberately and consciously created pseudo-history of the Jews largely composed during the Babylonian exile... its interesting stuff because the OT is less about history than psychology and the power of propaganda.
You should rethink what you actually are claiming to know. Exodus has been up for scrutiny but has been given due investigation and archaeology has some questions and evidence that needs to be answered.
Google, Exodus-Evidence-that-demands--a-verdict.
Also consider the following.....
Firstly, the name Nebuchadnezzar contains a disguised reference to Antiochus to those acquainted with Hebrew numbering. The Babylonian king of 605 - 562 BCE was in fact called nabu-kuddurri-usur which should be transliterated into Hebrew script as NeuchadRezzar (as it is in eg. Jeremiah 46:2, 39:11). The change of that one letter gives this name the same numerical value in Hebrew (which had no separate numbers and so used letters to represent numbers) as the name Antiochus Epiphanes. This is too coincidental to be accidental and too contrived to be miraculous.

Secondly, the whole genre of Apocalyptic literature which Daniel represents only developed during the period of crisis and persecution under Antiochus. The few examples of Apocalyptic in the Old Testament are all late, and the popularity of Apocalyptic in the New Testament is indication that it was a relatively new and popular literary form around the time of Jesus.
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2/1/2016 7:14:20 AM
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There is no hard-and-fast rule as to what counts as proof. There are anachronisms and errors in Daniel which indicate it was written late. It is written in an apocalyptic style typical of the a period. There are no references to it prior to its appearance in the 2nd century. There is more evidence, but I'll let you find it!

Does all the evidence add up to an actual proof? For some people it doesn't because they are committed to the genuiness of Daniel (and of scrtipture in general). It may not convince you, but I sometimes wonder if a certain type of Christian has done any background reading and research at all before parroting the gee-wizz magical and propetic elements of scripture that are perhaps not as gee-wizz as they first appear.
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2/1/2016 9:06:17 AM
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At 2/1/2016 7:14:20 AM, keithprosser wrote:
There is no hard-and-fast rule as to what counts as proof. There are anachronisms and errors in Daniel which indicate it was written late. It is written in an apocalyptic style typical of the a period. There are no references to it prior to its appearance in the 2nd century. There is more evidence, but I'll let you find it!

Does all the evidence add up to an actual proof? For some people it doesn't because they are committed to the genuiness of Daniel (and of scrtipture in general). It may not convince you, but I sometimes wonder if a certain type of Christian has done any background reading and research at all before parroting the gee-wizz magical and propetic elements of scripture that are perhaps not as gee-wizz as they first appear.
Dead sea scrolls put the book of Daniel before 200 bc. So much for evidence.....
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2/1/2016 2:13:03 PM
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At 2/1/2016 7:14:20 AM, keithprosser wrote:
There is no hard-and-fast rule as to what counts as proof. There are anachronisms and errors in Daniel which indicate it was written late. It is written in an apocalyptic style typical of the a period. There are no references to it prior to its appearance in the 2nd century. There is more evidence, but I'll let you find it!

Does all the evidence add up to an actual proof? For some people it doesn't because they are committed to the genuiness of Daniel (and of scrtipture in general). It may not convince you, but I sometimes wonder if a certain type of Christian has done any background reading and research at all before parroting the gee-wizz magical and propetic elements of scripture that are perhaps not as gee-wizz as they first appear.

Well, name some of the anachronisms. You apparently have studied up on the matter, yet you speak in broad vagaries.
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2/1/2016 2:39:33 PM
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At 2/1/2016 9:06:17 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 7:14:20 AM, keithprosser wrote:
There is no hard-and-fast rule as to what counts as proof. There are anachronisms and errors in Daniel which indicate it was written late. It is written in an apocalyptic style typical of the a period. There are no references to it prior to its appearance in the 2nd century. There is more evidence, but I'll let you find it!

Does all the evidence add up to an actual proof? For some people it doesn't because they are committed to the genuiness of Daniel (and of scrtipture in general). It may not convince you, but I sometimes wonder if a certain type of Christian has done any background reading and research at all before parroting the gee-wizz magical and propetic elements of scripture that are perhaps not as gee-wizz as they first appear.
Dead sea scrolls put the book of Daniel before 200 bc. So much for evidence.....
Citations?
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2/1/2016 3:16:02 PM
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At 2/1/2016 9:06:17 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 7:14:20 AM, keithprosser wrote:
There is no hard-and-fast rule as to what counts as proof. There are anachronisms and errors in Daniel which indicate it was written late. It is written in an apocalyptic style typical of the a period. There are no references to it prior to its appearance in the 2nd century. There is more evidence, but I'll let you find it!

Does all the evidence add up to an actual proof? For some people it doesn't because they are committed to the genuiness of Daniel (and of scrtipture in general). It may not convince you, but I sometimes wonder if a certain type of Christian has done any background reading and research at all before parroting the gee-wizz magical and propetic elements of scripture that are perhaps not as gee-wizz as they first appear.
Dead sea scrolls put the book of Daniel before 200 bc. So much for evidence.....

Good point, but people will still believe what they want to.

I did a lot of background research before I accepted the JWs for at they truly are. I would not have joined them on their word alone as truth is too important to me, as it should be to all, but isn't.

The simple fact is that I see no point or benefit in believing something which cannot be supported by sufficient evidence, to make it better than just feasible.

There is little definitive proof in true religion, but there is enough, more than enough to justify extrapolating on from what we can prove absolutely.
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2/1/2016 3:19:00 PM
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At 2/1/2016 3:25:43 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 10:30:32 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 2:46:06 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 1/31/2016 1:48:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/31/2016 12:44:34 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

What is going on in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9?

Read the answer here: https://sites.google.com...

The 70 weeks of Daniel are over, Daniel 9 has been fulfilled exactly on time. They ran out with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, which was the desolation foretold.

Everything that was supposed to happen, happened.
So Danny boy died after Mick? I never knew that.
In fact a long time after, wow.

No, he didn't, Daniel was dead long before Christ walked the earth. That is why Christ was able to quote from Daniel 9.
How do you figure that?
The temple was destroyed over 1700wks after Micks death and only 70wks after Danny's.

Ah you are carefully ignoring the figurative use of such things as "weeks" and "days". I suppose I should have reaklised.
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2/1/2016 3:19:03 PM
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At 2/1/2016 3:16:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
extrapolating on from what we can prove absolutely.

WOW. He actually wrote that.
Yeah lets listen to him..........hahahaha.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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2/1/2016 3:22:20 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/1/2016 2:39:33 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/1/2016 9:06:17 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 7:14:20 AM, keithprosser wrote:
There is no hard-and-fast rule as to what counts as proof. There are anachronisms and errors in Daniel which indicate it was written late. It is written in an apocalyptic style typical of the a period. There are no references to it prior to its appearance in the 2nd century. There is more evidence, but I'll let you find it!

Does all the evidence add up to an actual proof? For some people it doesn't because they are committed to the genuiness of Daniel (and of scrtipture in general). It may not convince you, but I sometimes wonder if a certain type of Christian has done any background reading and research at all before parroting the gee-wizz magical and propetic elements of scripture that are perhaps not as gee-wizz as they first appear.
Dead sea scrolls put the book of Daniel before 200 bc. So much for evidence.....
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Cave 4 from Qumran.
Speak Tagalog....
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2/1/2016 3:26:41 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/1/2016 3:16:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 2/1/2016 9:06:17 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 7:14:20 AM, keithprosser wrote:
There is no hard-and-fast rule as to what counts as proof. There are anachronisms and errors in Daniel which indicate it was written late. It is written in an apocalyptic style typical of the a period. There are no references to it prior to its appearance in the 2nd century. There is more evidence, but I'll let you find it!

Does all the evidence add up to an actual proof? For some people it doesn't because they are committed to the genuiness of Daniel (and of scrtipture in general). It may not convince you, but I sometimes wonder if a certain type of Christian has done any background reading and research at all before parroting the gee-wizz magical and propetic elements of scripture that are perhaps not as gee-wizz as they first appear.
Dead sea scrolls put the book of Daniel before 200 bc. So much for evidence.....

Good point, but people will still believe what they want to.

I did a lot of background research before I accepted the JWs for at they truly are.

So did most other people. And we certainly accept them for exactly what they are.
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2/1/2016 5:56:13 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/1/2016 3:26:41 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:16:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 2/1/2016 9:06:17 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 2/1/2016 7:14:20 AM, keithprosser wrote:
There is no hard-and-fast rule as to what counts as proof. There are anachronisms and errors in Daniel which indicate it was written late. It is written in an apocalyptic style typical of the a period. There are no references to it prior to its appearance in the 2nd century. There is more evidence, but I'll let you find it!

Does all the evidence add up to an actual proof? For some people it doesn't because they are committed to the genuiness of Daniel (and of scrtipture in general). It may not convince you, but I sometimes wonder if a certain type of Christian has done any background reading and research at all before parroting the gee-wizz magical and propetic elements of scripture that are perhaps not as gee-wizz as they first appear.
Dead sea scrolls put the book of Daniel before 200 bc. So much for evidence.....

Good point, but people will still believe what they want to.

I did a lot of background research before I accepted the JWs for at they truly are.

So did most other people. And we certainly accept them for exactly what they are.

No Anna you do not, or you would be one.
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2/1/2016 5:56:52 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/1/2016 3:19:03 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/1/2016 3:16:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
extrapolating on from what we can prove absolutely.

WOW. He actually wrote that.
Yeah lets listen to him..........hahahaha.

Yup, all my own work, lol.