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brontoraptor
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2/1/2016 8:27:21 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Assimilation

Muslims have highest claimed disability rates in the UK (24% of men, 21% of women)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

Pakistani Muslims in the UK are four times more likely to be unemployed than Hindus. Indian Muslims are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus.
http://www.webcitation.org...

Policy Exchange: 1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com...
http://www.civitas.org.uk...

Policy Exchange: 51% of British Muslims believe a woman cannot marry a non-Muslim
Only 51% believe a Muslim woman may marry without a guardian's consent
http://www.civitas.org.uk...

Policy Exchange: Up to 52% of British Muslims believe a Muslim man is entitled to up to four wives
http://www.civitas.org.uk...

Policy Exchange: 61% of British Muslims want homosexuality punished
http://www.civitas.org.uk...

NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech;
Only 3% adopt a "consistently pro-freedom of speech line"
http://www.cbsnews.com...
http://www.webcitation.org...

ICM Poll: 58% of British Muslims believe insulting Islam should result in criminal prosecution
http://www.danielpipes.org...

Pew Global (2006): Only 7% of British Muslims think of themselves as British first (81% say 'Muslim' rather than 'Briton')
http://pewglobal.org...

Policy Exchange (2006): 31% Muslims in Britain identify more with Muslims in other countries than with non-Muslim Brits.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk...

Die Welt (2012): 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de...

Ipsos MORI: Muslims are 3 times as likely as Christians to believe that their religion is the only way.
http://www.christiantoday.com...

Pew Research (2011): Muslim-Americans four times more likely to say that women should not work outside the home.
http://www.people-press.org...

Pew Research (2007): 26% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (43% support assimilation)
http://pewresearch.org...

Pew Research (2011): 20% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (56% support assimilation)
http://www.people-press.org...

Pew Research (2011): 49% of Muslim-Americans say they are "Muslim first" (26% American first)
http://www.people-press.org...

Pew Research (2011): 21% of Muslim-Americans say there is a fair to great amount of support for Islamic extremism in their community.
http://www.people-press.org...

ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for political ends acceptable
http://www.danielpipes.org...

Wenzel Strategies (2012): 58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.
http://www.andrewbostom.org...
http://www.answeringmuslims.com...

Pew Research (2013): "At least half' of Muslims surveyed believed polygamy is morally acceptable.
"Muslims in most countries surveyed say that a wife should always obey her husband." (including 93% in Indonesia and 65% in Turkey).
Only 32% of Muslims in Indonesia say a woman should have the right to divorce her husband (22% in Egypt, 26% in Pakistan and 60% in Russia).
http://www.pewforum.org...

Die Presse (2013): 1 in 3 Muslims in Austria say it is not possible to be a European and a Muslim." 22% oppose democracy
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com...

WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 45% of Muslims in Europe say Jews cannot be trusted.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org...

Vancouver Sun (2015): 42% of Canadian Muslims agree that Islam is "irreconcilable" with the West.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com...

Anti-Defamation League (2015): 55% of Muslims in Europe are anti-Semitic - approximately three times higher than Europeans in general.
http://www.algemeiner.com...#

Middle East Forum (2015): Muslims comprise less than 1% of the population in the United States but 9% of prison inmates.
http://www.meforum.org...

Middle East Forum (2015): Muslims in France comprise 12% of the population, but 70% of prisoners.
http://www.washingtonpost.com...

Middle East Forum (2015): Muslims in the Netherlands comprise 4% of the population but 20% of prisoners." Muslims in France comprise 10% of the population, but 70% of prisoners.
http://www.meforum.org...

2015 (BBC): 14.4% of UK prisoners in 2011 are Muslim (Muslims comprise about 3% of the total population)
http://www.bbc.com...

2016 (Sun News): Muslims comprise 5% of population in Britain but 20% of High Security inmates
http://www.thesun.co.uk...
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DPMartin
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2/1/2016 8:45:00 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
So tell us something we don't know.

The media is owned by stock holders that could be anybody, so why do you think the media and politicians are telling you otherwise?

Christian attackers don"t get it, Christians may go on about what is moral but its up to the nations they live in to do whatever. It"s just that Christians may not agree and live according to their beliefs. Muslims see that it is their right and duty as a Muslim to enforce their beliefs on the rest of the world no matter what the agreement or disagreement is. When the opportunity arises.
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2/1/2016 9:02:08 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/1/2016 8:45:00 PM, DPMartin wrote:
So tell us something we don't know.

The media is owned by stock holders that could be anybody, so why do you think the media and politicians are telling you otherwise?

Christian attackers don"t get it, Christians may go on about what is moral but its up to the nations they live in to do whatever. It"s just that Christians may not agree and live according to their beliefs. Muslims see that it is their right and duty as a Muslim to enforce their beliefs on the rest of the world no matter what the agreement or disagreement is. When the opportunity arises.

Do you think it is fair to call Islam Naziism with a god? Based off of:

1)Intollerance of outside groups

2)Desire to conquer Earth

3)Disallowance of anything contrary to the ideology.

4)Sharia based death to opposition or questioning of Islam
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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2/1/2016 9:05:57 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/1/2016 8:45:00 PM, DPMartin wrote:
So tell us something we don't know.

The media is owned by stock holders that could be anybody, so why do you think the media and politicians are telling you otherwise?

Christian attackers don"t get it, Christians may go on about what is moral but its up to the nations they live in to do whatever. It"s just that Christians may not agree and live according to their beliefs. Muslims see that it is their right and duty as a Muslim to enforce their beliefs on the rest of the world no matter what the agreement or disagreement is. When the opportunity arises.

Some have called me bigotted which is fine, but in fairness, I have an older thread where I put it out there the groups thst I do not judge such as homosexuals, Atheists, etc. I don't "hate Muslims" or "judge Muslims" But I do feel even as a nonjudgemental person, I have the right to look at an ideology and say it has nondemocratic ideas and is not based on its teaching, not ours, uncompatable with democracy.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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2/2/2016 1:24:59 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/2/2016 1:12:07 AM, uncung wrote:
What should muslims do now?

Assimilate, practice your religion in peace and in private like everyone else, respect the natives of European countries and join your countrymen in neutralizing radical Islam. Be good citizens. That is what is expected of any new immigrant group - nothing less
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2/2/2016 2:28:51 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/2/2016 1:24:59 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 2/2/2016 1:12:07 AM, uncung wrote:
What should muslims do now?

Assimilate, practice your religion in peace and in private like everyone else, respect the natives of European countries and join your countrymen in neutralizing radical Islam. Be good citizens. That is what is expected of any new immigrant group - nothing less

Thank you, we will obey you.
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2/2/2016 8:24:32 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/1/2016 9:02:08 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/1/2016 8:45:00 PM, DPMartin wrote:
So tell us something we don't know.

The media is owned by stock holders that could be anybody, so why do you think the media and politicians are telling you otherwise?

Christian attackers don"t get it, Christians may go on about what is moral but its up to the nations they live in to do whatever. It"s just that Christians may not agree and live according to their beliefs. Muslims see that it is their right and duty as a Muslim to enforce their beliefs on the rest of the world no matter what the agreement or disagreement is. When the opportunity arises.

Do you think it is fair to call Islam Naziism with a god? Based off of:

1)Intollerance of outside groups
Fasle!
If one studies the history of Islam carefully and without prejudice, will find out that Islam at the age of prophet(pbuh) did suggest tolerance towards outside groups.

2)Desire to conquer Earth
Quran 2:256
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion.
Of course, as prophesied by both Christ and Muhammad, peace be upon them, the whole Earth will be conquered by Christ(pbuh) once in the future.

3)Disallowance of anything contrary to the ideology.
Disallowance to who?!

4)Sharia based death to opposition or questioning of Islam
You will fail to prove what you have just claimed!
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2/2/2016 12:58:03 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Okay. Here we go.
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2/2/2016 12:58:26 PM
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The Quran Says that People of Other Religions are to be Violently Punished in This World

Allah himself fights against the unbelievers (9:30), so why should Muslims not fight in his cause rather than in the cause of evil (4:76)?" )?" About 19% of the Quran is devoted to the violent conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims:
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know (8:60)
Strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed. "(66:9, See also 9:73)
Muslims are to expect a reward in this life as well as the next (4:134), so it makes sense that unbelievers should be punished in this life as well:
"He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide. For them is a penalty in the life of this world, but harder, truly, is the penalty of the Hereafter" (13:33-34)
There are at least two places in the Quran where the violent death of non-Muslims is referred to as Allah's reward for unbelief (2:191, 9:26), as in "such is the reward for unbelievers."" Verse 3:56," bluntly states that "those who reject faith" will be "punished with terrible agony in this world" (a vow that Muhammad and his companions personally took it upon themselves to fulfill).

The Quran tells Muslims thate Quran tells Muslims that Allah uses them to violently punish others:
Fight them, them by your hands and bring them to disgrace... (9:14)
Allah could slay unbelievers himself, but he makes it a test for Muslims to prove their faith:
"If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, by means of others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost" 47:4)
One of the most violent chapters in the Quran charters Muhammad and his followers with making Islam "superior over all religions" (9:33).

In the end, All beings on heaven and earth will be forced to bow down to Allah, either willingly or by force:
And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly (13:15)
Muslims are told that Allah "loves those who fight in his way" to make Islam "victorious over all other religions, even though the disbelievers resist" (61:4-11). Those who do resist Islam will be humiliated:
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be among those most humiliated. (58:20 - The context for this verse is the eviction of the Jewish tribes of Medina and the confiscation of their wealth, land, and children by Muhammad).
Non-Muslims are to be fought until religion is only for Allah:
And fight them until there is no more ftna (unbelief, worshipping others beside Allah), and religion is all for Allah" (8:39 " Some translate the word "fitna" as "persecution", but in this context it means resistance to Islam " defined in the prior verse as an unwillingness to believe (see verse 38)." This passage was "revealed" following a battle that Muhammad deliberately provoked." Verse 2:193 essentially says the same thing and was also "revealed" at a time when the Muslims were not under physical attack).
Those with "diseased hearts" - which include Christians and Jews according to 5:52 - are to be "seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter" (33:60-62) al) along with "hypocrites" (Muslims who are judged not to be true believers by their associations with unbelievers or their unwillingness to engage in Jihad).
Non-Muslims are to be encroached on, pressured and punished by the Muslims:
See that we gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? (13:41 - See also 21:44)

We shall punish them gradually from directions they perceive not. (68:44)

And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things. (33:27, See also Bukhari 53:392)
Allah will grant Muslims authority and power over all other people:
Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion... (24:55)
(Muhammad's companions continued to self-fulfill this prophecy with an aggressive and senseless military expansion that left a trail of bodies from Spain to India).

Allah provides instructions to Muslims for dealing with unbelievers who are unwilling to accept Islamic rule:
Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (8:12-13)
Defeating non-Muslims should be easy for true believers because they are superior in intelligence and understanding:
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence (8:65)
Other verses of violence may be found here.

Remember that the Quran saRemember that the Quran says that not all men are equal according to Islam." This even applies to Muslims with regard to their aggressiveness toward unbelievers." Those who kill or are killed on behalf of Islam are more pleasing to Allah:
Not equal are those of the believers who sit at home... and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives" (4:95)
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2/2/2016 1:00:47 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
The Quran Dehumanizes Non-Muslims
and Says that They are Vile Animals

The Ayatollah Khomeini, who dedicated his entire life to studying Islam, said that non-Muslims" rank somewhere between "feces" and the "sweat of a camel that has consumed impure food."" Small wonder." The Quran dehumanizes non-Muslims, describing them as "animals" and beasts:
Those who disbelieve from among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)
Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to "panting dogs" with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness."

Verse 7:179 says they are like "cattle" only worse."

Verse 9:28 says the unbelievers are unclean."

Verse 6:111 says they are ignorant."

Verse 23:55 says they are helpers of the devil.

Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs." This is echoed by verses 7:166 and 2:65."

A hadith (Bukhari 54:524) says that Muhammad believed rats to be "mutated Jews" (also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).

Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than the demons who believe in Muhammad."

According to Islamic law, non-Muslims may be owned as property by Muslims, but - in keeping with Islam's supremacist message - a fellow Muslim should never be (unless they convert to Islam under enslavement)." Even Christians and Jews are not considered fully human in that the penalty for killing one of them is limited to one-third of the compensation due for unintentionally killing a Muslim.

The Quran Says that Allah does NOT Love Unbelievers

Christianity teaches that God loves all people, but hates sin." The Quran never says this." Instead it explicitly declares that Allah does not love those who do not believe in him:
He does not love the unbelievers (30:45)
Allah only loves those who obey Muhammad (at least according to Muhammad, who provided the "narration"):
"Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger": But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith. (3:32)
Instead of a god that loves the sinner, even while hating the sin, the wrath of Allah is placed squarely on the individual:
Surely Allah does not love any one who is unfaithful, ungrateful. (22:38)
Verses 11:118-199 say that Allah does not bestow mercy on everyone." For this reason, he chooses not to guide some people:
And Allah's is the direction of the way, and some (roads) go not straight. And had He willed He would have led you all aright. (16:9)
For those whom Allah does not love, there will be the most terrible of eternal torments, including eternal roasting:
Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. (4:56)
"Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers" (2:98) and, as we shall see, he hates them so much that he even leads them into sinning and actively prevents them from believing in him, thus ensuring their fate.

The Quran Says that Non-Muslims are
Destined for Eternal Torture in Hell

Although nowhere does the Quran say that Allah loves those who don"t believe Muhammad, there are over 400 verses that describe the torment that he has prepared for people of other religions (or no religion):
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)
The relative worth of non-Muslims is that they are but fuel for the fire of Hell:
(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire (3:10 Shakir: "firewood of hell")
As they are fueling the fire, unbelievers will be tormented by Allah"s angels on his command:
"O ye who believe! Ward off from yourselves and your families a Fire whereof the fuel is men and stones, over which are set angels strong, severe, who resist not Allah in that which He commandeth them, but do that which they are commanded." (66:6)
It doesn"t matter how many good deeds an unbeliever does, because they count for nothing with Allah:
The parable of those who reject their Lord is that their works are as ashes, on which the wind blows furiously on a tempestuous day: No power have they over aught that they have earned (14:18)
Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds?" Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works?" They are those who deny the Signs of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter): vain will be their works, nor shall We, on the Day of Judgment, give them any weight." That is their reward, Hell, because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and My Messengers by way of jest. (18:103-106)
Muhammad told his people that anyone who rejects his claim to be a prophet will go to Hell:
Surely those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and (those who) desire to make a distinction between Allah and His messengers and say: "We believe in some and disbelieve in others", and desire to take a course between (this and) that. These it is that are truly unbelievers, and We have prepared for the unbelievers a disgraceful chastisement. And those who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not make a distinction between any of them-- Allah will grant them their rewards (4:150-152)
In Christianity, punishment in the hereafter is directly tied to sin and "wickedness."" There is relatively little said about Hell, but the emphasis is on personal suffering for selfish or cruel deeds." In Islam, Hell is a punishment for merely not believing Muhammad"s personal claims about himself." In contrast to the Bible, every 12th verse of the Quran speaks of Hell and vividly describes Allah"s wrath on unbelievers:
But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning. (22:19-22)
No one could torture a person in this way without hating them intensely." Neither can Allah"s intense loathing for unbelievers help but affect the Muslim attitude toward those outside the faith."

The personal superiority of Muslims is confirmed by the contrasting picture painted in so many places in the Quran in which they are rewarded with the greatest of earthly comforts in heaven, while the unbelievers concurrently suffer horrible torment (see Sura 56:12 for just one example).
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2/2/2016 1:07:08 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
The Quran Distinguishes Muslims from Non-Muslims
and Establishes a Hierarchy of Relative Worth

The Quran makes it clear that Islam is not about universal brotherhood, but about the brotherhood of believers:
The Believers are but a single Brotherhood (49:10)
Not all men are equal under Islam." Slaves and the handicapped are not equal to healthy free men, for example (16:75-76)." The Quran introduces the "Law of Equality," which establishes different levels of human value when considering certain matters, such as restitution for murder (2:178).

Neither are Muslim believers equal to non-Muslims:
Are those who know equal to those who know not? (39:09)

Is the blind equal to the one who sees"" Or darkness equal to light? (13:16)

A believing slave is superior to an unbeliever (2:221)
The Quran plainly tells Muslims that they are a favored race, while those of other religions are "perverted transgressors":
Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)
As we shall see later, Allah condemns non-Muslims to Hell based merely on their unbelief, while believers are rewarded with the finest earthly comforts in the hereafter, including never-ending food, wine and sex (56:12-40)."

Much of the Quran is devoted to distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims and impugning the latter." Among other things, non-Muslims are said to be diseased (2:10), perverse (2:99), stupid (2:171) and deceitful (3:73).

The first sura of the Quran is a short prayer that is repeated by devout Muslims each day and ends with these words:
Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (1:6-7)
Muhammad was once asked if this pertained to Jews and Christians." His response was, "Whom else?" (Bukhari 56:662).Since Allah makes such a strong distinction between Muslims and those outside the faith, it is only natural that Muslims should incorporate disparate standards of treatment into their daily lives." The Quran tells Muslims to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel:
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are severe against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" (48:29)
The Arabic word used to describe the ideal treatment of non-Muslims (shin-dal-dal) is the same word used in over 25 places in the Quran to describe how painful Allah has made Hell for them.

Islamic law actually forbids formal Muslim charity (in the form of the zakat payment) from being used to meet the needs of non-believers.

Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over unbelievers:
And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall " "any way of success"] (4:141)
The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)
A common criticism of many Muslims is that they often behave arrogantly toward others." Now you know why.
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2/2/2016 4:02:14 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/2/2016 2:28:51 AM, uncung wrote:
At 2/2/2016 1:24:59 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 2/2/2016 1:12:07 AM, uncung wrote:
What should muslims do now?

Assimilate, practice your religion in peace and in private like everyone else, respect the natives of European countries and join your countrymen in neutralizing radical Islam. Be good citizens. That is what is expected of any new immigrant group - nothing less

Thank you, we will obey you.

It's a reasonable request. Muslim dominated countries don't allow too much dissenting attitudes. Western countries extend equal rights to Muslims. Muslims need for respect the countries they live in.
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2/3/2016 7:00:29 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/2/2016 4:02:14 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 2/2/2016 2:28:51 AM, uncung wrote:
At 2/2/2016 1:24:59 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 2/2/2016 1:12:07 AM, uncung wrote:
What should muslims do now?

Assimilate, practice your religion in peace and in private like everyone else, respect the natives of European countries and join your countrymen in neutralizing radical Islam. Be good citizens. That is what is expected of any new immigrant group - nothing less

Thank you, we will obey you.

It's a reasonable request. Muslim dominated countries don't allow too much dissenting attitudes. Western countries extend equal rights to Muslims. Muslims need for respect the countries they live in.

Next time when we dominate your country we will enforce oops.. I mean we will respect non muslims also.
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2/3/2016 10:40:15 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/2/2016 12:58:26 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Quran Says that People of Other Religions are to be Violently Punished in This World

Allah himself fights against the unbelievers (9:30), so why should Muslims not fight in his cause rather than in the cause of evil (4:76)?" )?" About 19% of the Quran is devoted to the violent conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims:
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know (8:60)
Strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed. "(66:9, See also 9:73)
Muslims are to expect a reward in this life as well as the next (4:134), so it makes sense that unbelievers should be punished in this life as well:
"He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide. For them is a penalty in the life of this world, but harder, truly, is the penalty of the Hereafter" (13:33-34)
There are at least two places in the Quran where the violent death of non-Muslims is referred to as Allah's reward for unbelief (2:191, 9:26), as in "such is the reward for unbelievers."" Verse 3:56," bluntly states that "those who reject faith" will be "punished with terrible agony in this world" (a vow that Muhammad and his companions personally took it upon themselves to fulfill).

The Quran tells Muslims thate Quran tells Muslims that Allah uses them to violently punish others:
Fight them, them by your hands and bring them to disgrace... (9:14)
Allah could slay unbelievers himself, but he makes it a test for Muslims to prove their faith:
"If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, by means of others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost" 47:4)
One of the most violent chapters in the Quran charters Muhammad and his followers with making Islam "superior over all religions" (9:33).

In the end, All beings on heaven and earth will be forced to bow down to Allah, either willingly or by force:
And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly (13:15)
Muslims are told that Allah "loves those who fight in his way" to make Islam "victorious over all other religions, even though the disbelievers resist" (61:4-11). Those who do resist Islam will be humiliated:
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be among those most humiliated. (58:20 - The context for this verse is the eviction of the Jewish tribes of Medina and the confiscation of their wealth, land, and children by Muhammad).
Non-Muslims are to be fought until religion is only for Allah:
And fight them until there is no more ftna (unbelief, worshipping others beside Allah), and religion is all for Allah" (8:39 " Some translate the word "fitna" as "persecution", but in this context it means resistance to Islam " defined in the prior verse as an unwillingness to believe (see verse 38)." This passage was "revealed" following a battle that Muhammad deliberately provoked." Verse 2:193 essentially says the same thing and was also "revealed" at a time when the Muslims were not under physical attack).
Those with "diseased hearts" - which include Christians and Jews according to 5:52 - are to be "seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter" (33:60-62) al) along with "hypocrites" (Muslims who are judged not to be true believers by their associations with unbelievers or their unwillingness to engage in Jihad).
Non-Muslims are to be encroached on, pressured and punished by the Muslims:
See that we gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? (13:41 - See also 21:44)

We shall punish them gradually from directions they perceive not. (68:44)

And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things. (33:27, See also Bukhari 53:392)
Allah will grant Muslims authority and power over all other people:
Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion... (24:55)
(Muhammad's companions continued to self-fulfill this prophecy with an aggressive and senseless military expansion that left a trail of bodies from Spain to India).

Allah provides instructions to Muslims for dealing with unbelievers who are unwilling to accept Islamic rule:
Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (8:12-13)
Defeating non-Muslims should be easy for true believers because they are superior in intelligence and understanding:
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence (8:65)
Other verses of violence may be found here.

Remember that the Quran saRemember that the Quran says that not all men are equal according to Islam." This even applies to Muslims with regard to their aggressiveness toward unbelievers." Those who kill or are killed on behalf of Islam are more pleasing to Allah:
Not equal are those of the believers who sit at home... and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives" (4:95)
I will not waste my time with "copy-paste" guys.
Let your brain talk for you not www.thereligionofpeace.com
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2/3/2016 10:45:57 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/2/2016 1:07:08 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Quran Distinguishes Muslims from Non-Muslims
and Establishes a Hierarchy of Relative Worth


Neither are Muslim believers equal to non-Muslims:
Are those who know equal to those who know not? (39:09)

Is the blind equal to the one who sees"" Or darkness equal to light? (13:16)

A believing slave is superior to an unbeliever (2:221)
The Quran plainly tells Muslims that they are a favored race, while those of other religions are "perverted transgressors":
Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)
As we shall see later, Allah condemns non-Muslims to Hell based merely on their unbelief, while believers are rewarded with the finest earthly comforts in the hereafter, including never-ending food, wine and sex (56:12-40)."

Much of the Quran is devoted to distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims and impugning the latter." Among other things, non-Muslims are said to be diseased (2:10), perverse (2:99), stupid (2:171) and deceitful (3:73).

The first sura of the Quran is a short prayer that is repeated by devout Muslims each day and ends with these words:
Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (1:6-7)
Muhammad was once asked if this pertained to Jews and Christians." His response was, "Whom else?" (Bukhari 56:662).Since Allah makes such a strong distinction between Muslims and those outside the faith, it is only natural that Muslims should incorporate disparate standards of treatment into their daily lives." The Quran tells Muslims to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel:
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are severe against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" (48:29)
The Arabic word used to describe the ideal treatment of non-Muslims (shin-dal-dal) is the same word used in over 25 places in the Quran to describe how painful Allah has made Hell for them.

Islamic law actually forbids formal Muslim charity (in the form of the zakat payment) from being used to meet the needs of non-believers.

Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over unbelievers:
And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall " "any way of success"] (4:141)
The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)
A common criticism of many Muslims is that they often behave arrogantly toward others." Now you know why.

Next time you copy from a site try to check out whether you are talking to a Sunni or Shi'a Muslim. We dont use Sahih Bukhari!!!
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2/3/2016 4:11:23 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 10:45:57 AM, shalal12 wrote:
At 2/2/2016 1:07:08 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Quran Distinguishes Muslims from Non-Muslims
and Establishes a Hierarchy of Relative Worth


Neither are Muslim believers equal to non-Muslims:
Are those who know equal to those who know not? (39:09)

Is the blind equal to the one who sees"" Or darkness equal to light? (13:16)

A believing slave is superior to an unbeliever (2:221)
The Quran plainly tells Muslims that they are a favored race, while those of other religions are "perverted transgressors":
Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)
As we shall see later, Allah condemns non-Muslims to Hell based merely on their unbelief, while believers are rewarded with the finest earthly comforts in the hereafter, including never-ending food, wine and sex (56:12-40)."

Much of the Quran is devoted to distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims and impugning the latter." Among other things, non-Muslims are said to be diseased (2:10), perverse (2:99), stupid (2:171) and deceitful (3:73).

The first sura of the Quran is a short prayer that is repeated by devout Muslims each day and ends with these words:
Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (1:6-7)
Muhammad was once asked if this pertained to Jews and Christians." His response was, "Whom else?" (Bukhari 56:662).Since Allah makes such a strong distinction between Muslims and those outside the faith, it is only natural that Muslims should incorporate disparate standards of treatment into their daily lives." The Quran tells Muslims to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel:
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are severe against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" (48:29)
The Arabic word used to describe the ideal treatment of non-Muslims (shin-dal-dal) is the same word used in over 25 places in the Quran to describe how painful Allah has made Hell for them.

Islamic law actually forbids formal Muslim charity (in the form of the zakat payment) from being used to meet the needs of non-believers.

Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over unbelievers:
And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall " "any way of success"] (4:141)
The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)
A common criticism of many Muslims is that they often behave arrogantly toward others." Now you know why.

Next time you copy from a site try to check out whether you are talking to a Sunni or Shi'a Muslim. We dont use Sahih Bukhari!!!

Let's check out what your book does say...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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2/3/2016 4:11:47 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Why is the Quran a fable?

The sun (according to the Quran) orbits the earth.(Quran 13:2)

Adam was a 90 foot giant. This is historically incorrect and scientifically impossible due to impossible bone density [Square-Cube Law] (hadith: Sahih Bukhari 4:55:543, :Sahih Muslim 40:6809 and Sahih Muslim 32:6325)

According to Muhammad, the embryo spends 40 days as a drop of sperm, 40 days as a clot, and then 40 days as a piece of flesh. In reality, by day 56 the fetus is essentially a complete, though tiny, human being with all organ systems in place, and all tissues developed. (Sahih Bukhari 4:54:430, See also: Sahih Bukhari 4:55:549, Sahih Bukhari 8:77:593, Sahih Bukhari 9:93:546, and Sahih Muslim 33:6390)
Gender is not determined until 80 days after conception. It is actually determined AT conception and the sex organs develop around the 6th week (as opposed to the 12th). Sahih Bukhari 8:77:594, See also: Sahih Bukhari 4:55:550, and Sahih Muslim 33:6397
Child inherits appearance from the parent that discharges first during sex Sahih Bukhari 4:55:546
Satan pees in your ears if you oversleep (Sahih Bukhari 2:21:245)
Non-Muslims eat in 7 intestines while Muslims eat in 1. (Sahih Muslim 23:5113
Noon heat is from hell-fire. (Sahih Bukhari 1:10:513)
Looking at the sky during prayer causes blindness (Sahih Bukhari 1:12:717). I can personally confirm this is false.
Fever is caused by the heat of hell (Sahih Bukhari 7:71:619, 1:3262)
Water from truffles cures eye diseases (Sahih Bukhari 7:71:609)
Black dogs (in general) are the devil. (Sahih Muslim 4:1032)
Crowing is caused by seeing angels, braying of donkeys is caused by seeing devils. (Sahih Bukhari 4:54:522)
Eating 7 dates cures poison (Sahih Bukhari 7:65:356)
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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2/3/2016 4:14:18 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 10:40:15 AM, shalal12 wrote:
At 2/2/2016 12:58:26 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Quran Says that People of Other Religions are to be Violently Punished in This World

Allah himself fights against the unbelievers (9:30), so why should Muslims not fight in his cause rather than in the cause of evil (4:76)?" )?" About 19% of the Quran is devoted to the violent conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims:
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know (8:60)
Strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed. "(66:9, See also 9:73)
Muslims are to expect a reward in this life as well as the next (4:134), so it makes sense that unbelievers should be punished in this life as well:
"He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide. For them is a penalty in the life of this world, but harder, truly, is the penalty of the Hereafter" (13:33-34)
There are at least two places in the Quran where the violent death of non-Muslims is referred to as Allah's reward for unbelief (2:191, 9:26), as in "such is the reward for unbelievers."" Verse 3:56," bluntly states that "those who reject faith" will be "punished with terrible agony in this world" (a vow that Muhammad and his companions personally took it upon themselves to fulfill).

The Quran tells Muslims thate Quran tells Muslims that Allah uses them to violently punish others:
Fight them, them by your hands and bring them to disgrace... (9:14)
Allah could slay unbelievers himself, but he makes it a test for Muslims to prove their faith:
"If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, by means of others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost" 47:4)
One of the most violent chapters in the Quran charters Muhammad and his followers with making Islam "superior over all religions" (9:33).

In the end, All beings on heaven and earth will be forced to bow down to Allah, either willingly or by force:
And unto Allah falleth prostrate whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly (13:15)
Muslims are told that Allah "loves those who fight in his way" to make Islam "victorious over all other religions, even though the disbelievers resist" (61:4-11). Those who do resist Islam will be humiliated:
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be among those most humiliated. (58:20 - The context for this verse is the eviction of the Jewish tribes of Medina and the confiscation of their wealth, land, and children by Muhammad).
Non-Muslims are to be fought until religion is only for Allah:
And fight them until there is no more ftna (unbelief, worshipping others beside Allah), and religion is all for Allah" (8:39 " Some translate the word "fitna" as "persecution", but in this context it means resistance to Islam " defined in the prior verse as an unwillingness to believe (see verse 38)." This passage was "revealed" following a battle that Muhammad deliberately provoked." Verse 2:193 essentially says the same thing and was also "revealed" at a time when the Muslims were not under physical attack).
Those with "diseased hearts" - which include Christians and Jews according to 5:52 - are to be "seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter" (33:60-62) al) along with "hypocrites" (Muslims who are judged not to be true believers by their associations with unbelievers or their unwillingness to engage in Jihad).
Non-Muslims are to be encroached on, pressured and punished by the Muslims:
See that we gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? (13:41 - See also 21:44)

We shall punish them gradually from directions they perceive not. (68:44)

And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things. (33:27, See also Bukhari 53:392)
Allah will grant Muslims authority and power over all other people:
Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion... (24:55)
(Muhammad's companions continued to self-fulfill this prophecy with an aggressive and senseless military expansion that left a trail of bodies from Spain to India).

Allah provides instructions to Muslims for dealing with unbelievers who are unwilling to accept Islamic rule:
Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (8:12-13)
Defeating non-Muslims should be easy for true believers because they are superior in intelligence and understanding:
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence (8:65)
Other verses of violence may be found here.

Remember that the Quran saRemember that the Quran says that not all men are equal according to Islam." This even applies to Muslims with regard to their aggressiveness toward unbelievers." Those who kill or are killed on behalf of Islam are more pleasing to Allah:
Not equal are those of the believers who sit at home... and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives" (4:95)
I will not waste my time with "copy-paste" guys.
Let your brain talk for you not www.thereligionofpeace.com

I've let your book do its own talking.
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2/3/2016 8:06:19 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/2/2016 2:28:51 AM, uncung wrote:
At 2/2/2016 1:24:59 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 2/2/2016 1:12:07 AM, uncung wrote:
What should muslims do now?

Assimilate, practice your religion in peace and in private like everyone else, respect the natives of European countries and join your countrymen in neutralizing radical Islam. Be good citizens. That is what is expected of any new immigrant group - nothing less

Thank you, we will obey you.

If a non-muslim moved to a muslim country, would you expect them to respect their neighbors and the laws? If a muslim moves to a western country, shouldn't their be mutual respect and adherence to the laws of the land they chose to move to?

If I didn't like the laws of a country, I wouldn't move there. That's a simple concept.
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2/3/2016 8:40:01 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/2/2016 1:07:08 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Quran Distinguishes Muslims from Non-Muslims
and Establishes a Hierarchy of Relative Worth

The Quran makes it clear that Islam is not about universal brotherhood, but about the brotherhood of believers:
The Believers are but a single Brotherhood (49:10)
Not all men are equal under Islam." Slaves and the handicapped are not equal to healthy free men, for example (16:75-76)." The Quran introduces the "Law of Equality," which establishes different levels of human value when considering certain matters, such as restitution for murder (2:178).

Neither are Muslim believers equal to non-Muslims:
Are those who know equal to those who know not? (39:09)

Is the blind equal to the one who sees"" Or darkness equal to light? (13:16)

A believing slave is superior to an unbeliever (2:221)
The Quran plainly tells Muslims that they are a favored race, while those of other religions are "perverted transgressors":
Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)
As we shall see later, Allah condemns non-Muslims to Hell based merely on their unbelief, while believers are rewarded with the finest earthly comforts in the hereafter, including never-ending food, wine and sex (56:12-40)."

Much of the Quran is devoted to distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims and impugning the latter." Among other things, non-Muslims are said to be diseased (2:10), perverse (2:99), stupid (2:171) and deceitful (3:73).

The first sura of the Quran is a short prayer that is repeated by devout Muslims each day and ends with these words:
Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (1:6-7)
Muhammad was once asked if this pertained to Jews and Christians." His response was, "Whom else?" (Bukhari 56:662).Since Allah makes such a strong distinction between Muslims and those outside the faith, it is only natural that Muslims should incorporate disparate standards of treatment into their daily lives." The Quran tells Muslims to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel:
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are severe against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" (48:29)
The Arabic word used to describe the ideal treatment of non-Muslims (shin-dal-dal) is the same word used in over 25 places in the Quran to describe how painful Allah has made Hell for them.

Islamic law actually forbids formal Muslim charity (in the form of the zakat payment) from being used to meet the needs of non-believers.

Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over unbelievers:
And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall " "any way of success"] (4:141)
The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)
A common criticism of many Muslims is that they often behave arrogantly toward others." Now you know why.

From going through your list, there is no excuse for anyone to remain an infidel especially if Islam is to remain a religion of peace. How can any Muslim be arrogant when he has to prostrate/kneel in public 5 times a day.
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2/3/2016 10:20:39 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 7:00:29 AM, uncung wrote:
At 2/2/2016 4:02:14 PM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 2/2/2016 2:28:51 AM, uncung wrote:
At 2/2/2016 1:24:59 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 2/2/2016 1:12:07 AM, uncung wrote:
What should muslims do now?

Assimilate, practice your religion in peace and in private like everyone else, respect the natives of European countries and join your countrymen in neutralizing radical Islam. Be good citizens. That is what is expected of any new immigrant group - nothing less

Thank you, we will obey you.

It's a reasonable request. Muslim dominated countries don't allow too much dissenting attitudes. Western countries extend equal rights to Muslims. Muslims need for respect the countries they live in.

Next time when we dominate your country we will enforce oops.. I mean we will respect non muslims also.

Firstly, you will never dominate my country. Secondly, as a human being, regardless of your religion, you are given equal rights with every other person. We don't discriminate, but you can't have rights based on your particular religion. that is how democracy and freedom works. You can make fun all you want, and that's ok because you appear to be ignorant of this.