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2/3/2016 12:06:36 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Bs"d

The fossil record shows that evolution never happened.

For the finer details look here: https://sites.google.com...

Evolution is dead, it is just the laymen, brainwashed with lies, who doesn't know it.
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2/3/2016 4:04:50 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 12:06:36 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

The fossil record shows that evolution never happened.

Your link is a cache of quote mining and your assertion is demonstably false.
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2/3/2016 4:10:30 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 12:06:36 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

The fossil record shows that evolution never happened.

For the finer details look here: https://sites.google.com...

Evolution is dead, it is just the laymen, brainwashed with lies, who doesn't know it.

The Nobel Prize awaits anyone who can prove this true. Unlike the religious community, the science community rewards "heresy" (if well supported) and rewards it handsomely!

But it does not reward Gish Gallop, which is all you have provided... *wah, wah*
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2/3/2016 4:16:52 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 12:06:36 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

The fossil record shows that evolution never happened.

For the finer details look here: https://sites.google.com...

Evolution is dead, it is just the laymen, brainwashed with lies, who doesn't know it.
And 99% of scientists. Go you good thing. hahahaha
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2/3/2016 4:30:27 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
How Evolution "science" actually works

Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus

http://www.amnh.org...

The Science of Ambulocetus Rodhocetus

http://youtu.be...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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2/3/2016 4:33:20 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 4:30:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
How Evolution "science" actually works

Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus

http://www.amnh.org...

The Science of Ambulocetus Rodhocetus

http://youtu.be...

Look........................over there.....................a thingy...............................you love them.
Which thingy is it?
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2/3/2016 4:41:36 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 4:33:20 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:30:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
How Evolution "science" actually works

Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus

http://www.amnh.org...

The Science of Ambulocetus Rodhocetus

http://youtu.be...

Look........................over there.....................a thingy...............................you love them.
Which thingy is it?

SQUIRREL!!
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2/3/2016 5:00:09 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 4:33:20 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:30:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
How Evolution "science" actually works

Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus

http://www.amnh.org...

The Science of Ambulocetus Rodhocetus

http://youtu.be...

Look........................over there.....................a thingy...............................you love them.
Which thingy is it?

It's the thingy that instead of watching and rebuttling, you overcompensate by mocking what

1)You do not understand

OR

2)Do not wish to hear or view because it contrasts your Atheistic view which if challenged in this particular way then leaves you in the same position as the Theist, believing in the unseen.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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2/3/2016 5:13:36 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 5:00:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:33:20 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:30:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
How Evolution "science" actually works

Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus

http://www.amnh.org...

The Science of Ambulocetus Rodhocetus

http://youtu.be...

Look........................over there.....................a thingy...............................you love them.
Which thingy is it?

It's the thingy that instead of watching and rebuttling, you overcompensate by mocking what

1)You do not understand

OR

2)Do not wish to hear or view because it contrasts your Atheistic view which if challenged in this particular way then leaves you in the same position as the Theist, believing in the unseen.

Says the guy who has slithered away with no comment two separate times when I've gone to the trouble to illustrate why his favorite argument (ie this one) fails.
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2/3/2016 5:33:12 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 4:04:50 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/3/2016 12:06:36 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

The fossil record shows that evolution never happened.

Your link is a cache of quote mining

Bs"d

Yes, but it still the truth.

and your assertion is demonstably false.

In that case I suggest that you show what is false and why.

Go ahead; you have the floor.
Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.
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2/3/2016 5:37:11 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Evolution is dead, it is just the laymen, brainwashed with lies, who doesn't know it.

The Nobel Prize awaits anyone who can prove this true. Unlike the religious community, the science community rewards "heresy" (if well supported) and rewards it handsomely!

Bs"d

You're joking, right?
New information in general is not awarded a warm welcome. We all want new information, we read newspapers, check out the news channels, everything for new information.

And when something really new pops up, then... then all hell breaks loose.

Why would that be? Excellent question. When you find out, please let me know.

About 300 years ago, Galileo by means of one of the first telescopes discovered that the earth is revolving around the sun, and not the other way around. New information. Did that bring him fame and admiration? Not really. He was put in jail until he retracted his statement about the earth revolving around the sun.

About 150 years ago women were dying by the scores because of the feared puerperal fever. A certain doctor, Semmelweis, discovered after long study that it was caused because doctors, after they did an autopsy, went on doing internal examinations in pregnant women, without first washing their hands. He discovered that washing hands after cutting up dead body's and before internal examinations in women, would save very many lives.

Did that discovery bring him fame and recognition?

Not really. His colleagues refused to believe that they were the cause of the high mortality on the maternity wards. Dr Semmelweis pushed the subject. He called doctors who refused to wash their hands "murderers', which they were of course, and strongly condemned the unhygienic practices of his colleagues. In stead of thanks for his discovery which only in his own clinic saved thousands of womens lives, what happened was that he was beaten with clubs, locked up in a mental assylum, where he died a few weeks later.

Also this new information didn't get a warm reception.

The person who discovered that Jacob-Kreutzfeld syndrome, "mad cow disease" was caused by "killer proteins", was made fun of and ridiculed.

Fortunately he could quickly come up with empiric proof for his discovery.

In 1982 the Israeli scientist Shechtman discovered "quasi-cristals", which appeared to be going against the laws of nature. People didn't take that too well. Publications by him about the subject were refused by publishers, he lost his job, was kicked out of his research team, and was wandering in the scientific waste lands for almost 10 years.

In 2011 he got the Nobel price for his discovery.

Also this bringer of new information had a rough time.

Dr Velikovsky, a jack of all trades, or more accurately worded: a master of all trades, had studied medicine and psychology, and worked for some time as a psychiatrist. Besides that he also studied physics, biology, history, and law. He delved into archeology and cosmology, and came up with a lot of new theories.

He didn't exactly reap fame and admiration thanks to his new ideas.

In 1950 most historians and astronomers saw Velikovsky's predictions and conclusions as nonsense. But while most aspiring scientists are accorded the right to propose theories even when the scientific community is not convinced of their veracity, this is not what happened to Velikovsky. His book; "Worlds in Collision", became the target of a fierce attack, even before it rolled of the printing presses. The attack was led by Dr. Harlow Shapley, a famous astronomer who then served as director of the Harvard University Observatory. Velikovsky met with Shapley in the spring of 1946 and described the ramifications of his extended, exhaustive study of the ancient writings. He asked whether Shapley would agree to read his manuscript, which had been in the preparatory stages for six years, and carry out certain experiments to verify the theory. Shapley, who was highly pressured at the time, turned down Velikovsky. However, he stipulated that if the manuscript would be read and approved by a well known scholar he knew, then he would find the time to read it, and he or a colleague would carry out the experiments in question.

Dr. Horace Kallen, a well-known scholar and co-founder of the New School for Social Research in New York, read Velikovsky's work. Deeply impressed, he wrote to Shapley and urged him to carry out the experiments, saying that if the theory should prove valid, "not only astronomy but history and a good many of the anthropological and social sciences would need to be reconsidered both for their content and explanation."

Shapley, when he heard that the work cast doubt on the stability of the solar system, sufficed with the following reply: "If Velikovsky is right, the rest of us are crazy."

Not only that, a short time after the book appeared in print, a university student asked Shapley whether she could base her research paper on the book. He answered her in the negative, saying Velikovsky was a liar and a forger. As for her question whether he read the book, Shapley provided the following scientific answer: "I didn't read it and I don't plan on reading it, because he is a liar and a forger." It was as simple as that. When it came to Velikovsky, the famous American "benefit of the doubt" had for some reason disappeared. At the onset of 1950, when the Macmillan publication company announced its intentions to publish Velikovsky's "Worlds in Collision", Shapley tried to prevent the book from going to press. He threatened to "sever his ties" with the company, which relied on textbook sales for a substantial part of its profits. In what seemed to be an organized boycott, a long line of letters arrive in the Macmillan offices, all written by scientists, authors, and professors who used Macmillan textbooks for their courses. The letters warned the company to abandon its plan of publishing Velikovsky's books. At that point Macmillan had already begun the printing process. Faced with a though dilemma, the company announced that it would agree to a last minute critique of the book by three well known scientists. When two out of the three approved publication, Macmillan went ahead with the printing and the book appeared on the shelves in April of that year.

Thats when the storm broke.

To be continued bs"d
Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.
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2/3/2016 5:37:48 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Bs"d

Thats when the storm broke.

Many saw the logic in Velikovsky's ideas and supported his right to express them. Gordon A. Atwater, curator or the Hayden Planetarium in New York's Museum of Natural History, is quoted at the beginning of Hulton Urstler's column in Readers Digest as saying that "the theories presented by Dr. Velikovsky are unique and should be presented to the world of science in order that the underpinnings of modern science be re-examined.

Atwater was so taken by Velikovsky's ideas that he planned an exhibit in the planetarium depicting the theory of Worlds in Collision. In addition, he prepared a cover article for the weekly "This Week", enjoining readers to approach the book without prior suspicions or preconceptions.

The night before the weekly went to print, Atwater was asked to resign from his position at the museum.

A short time later, Macmillan fired James Putnam, the editor who had arranged the book contract. Pressure mounted on Macmillan to stop marketing "Worlds in Collision". Eight weeks after the book first appeared, Macmillan transferred rights to Doubleday, a company that specialized in non-academic publications. That was an unprecedented step in the history of book publishing, especially considering that at the time, "Worlds in Collision" was at the top of the New York Times bestseller list for works of non-fiction.

The initial opposition to Velikovsky's ideas was so violent that several commentators were reminded of Galileo's condemnation by the Inquisition.

He was called every possible derisive name: charlatan, trickster, forger, ignoramus, money hungry, manipulative, stupid, and who knows what else.

Several books have been written about only one subject, the treatment that Velikovsky got from the scientific establishment.

Science burning books.

All this tells us that the way that science reacts on a certain idea or discovery, is in no way an indicator for the veracity or importance of it.

You can very well be ridiculed and ignored by science, and still be right.
Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.
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2/3/2016 5:38:54 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 5:32:43 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
It is not possible for a fossil record to show evolution.

Bs"d

That's because there wasn't any.
Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.
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2/3/2016 5:40:25 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Charles Darwin stated, in his Origin of Species, "The geological record is extremely imperfect and this fact will to a large extent explain why we do not find intermediate varieties, connecting together all the extinct and existing forms of life by the finest graduated steps. He who rejects these views on the nature of the geological record, will rightly reject my whole theory."

Out of the millions of fossils in the world, not one transitional form has been found. All known species show up abruptly, or magically in the fossil record, without intermediate forms, thus contributing to the idea of creationism. Take a look at Archeopteryx, a fossil that some evolutionists claim to be transitional between reptile and bird.

Archeopteryx is discussed in evolutionist Francis Hitching's book, "The Neck of the Giraffe. Where Darwin Went Wrong."

If someone wants more insight here is a good read. Luther Sunderland's book, "Darwin's Enigma Fossils and Other Problems".
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2/3/2016 5:49:01 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 5:13:36 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/3/2016 5:00:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:33:20 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:30:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
How Evolution "science" actually works

Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus

http://www.amnh.org...

The Science of Ambulocetus Rodhocetus

http://youtu.be...

Look........................over there.....................a thingy...............................you love them.
Which thingy is it?

It's the thingy that instead of watching and rebuttling, you overcompensate by mocking what

1)You do not understand

OR

2)Do not wish to hear or view because it contrasts your Atheistic view which if challenged in this particular way then leaves you in the same position as the Theist, believing in the unseen.

Says the guy who has slithered away with no comment two separate times when I've gone to the trouble to illustrate why his favorite argument (ie this one) fails.

How can my argument "fail". This is an interview of the finder, the actual paleantologist, of rodhocetus. Is your contention that the paleantologists is "misquoted" in a video of he himself speaking? In the video is it not abundantly clear that the drawings of the evolutionary model of "whale evolution" presented to the museum were "guesses" which turned out to be false? Is it logical and reasonable to say that it is more than possible that if the person who asked the question hadn't pointed out that the skeleton find was inconsistant with the museum drawings, that the paleantologist would have never said anything and allowed the drawings to be perceived as reality?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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2/3/2016 5:50:56 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 5:33:12 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:04:50 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/3/2016 12:06:36 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

The fossil record shows that evolution never happened.

Your link is a cache of quote mining

Bs"d

Yes, but it still the truth.

and your assertion is demonstably false.

In that case I suggest that you show what is false and why.

Go ahead; you have the floor.

I be happy to rebut your case once you make one. An assertion and a cache of quotes likely taken out of context is not a case. It's your thread, you'll need to do a little leg work before I do.
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2/3/2016 5:53:25 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 5:13:36 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/3/2016 5:00:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:33:20 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:30:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
How Evolution "science" actually works

Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus

http://www.amnh.org...

The Science of Ambulocetus Rodhocetus

http://youtu.be...

Look........................over there.....................a thingy...............................you love them.
Which thingy is it?

It's the thingy that instead of watching and rebuttling, you overcompensate by mocking what

1)You do not understand

OR

2)Do not wish to hear or view because it contrasts your Atheistic view which if challenged in this particular way then leaves you in the same position as the Theist, believing in the unseen.

Says the guy who has slithered away with no comment two separate times when I've gone to the trouble to illustrate why his favorite argument (ie this one) fails.

Slithered off? Is it your contention that you, as an Atheist, believe in mythological ideas such as talking snakes, seeing that I, who am communicating through typing, am able to slither(not a human quality)?
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2/3/2016 5:53:45 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 5:49:01 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/3/2016 5:13:36 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/3/2016 5:00:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:33:20 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:30:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
How Evolution "science" actually works

Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus

http://www.amnh.org...

The Science of Ambulocetus Rodhocetus

http://youtu.be...

Look........................over there.....................a thingy...............................you love them.
Which thingy is it?

It's the thingy that instead of watching and rebuttling, you overcompensate by mocking what

1)You do not understand

OR

2)Do not wish to hear or view because it contrasts your Atheistic view which if challenged in this particular way then leaves you in the same position as the Theist, believing in the unseen.

Says the guy who has slithered away with no comment two separate times when I've gone to the trouble to illustrate why his favorite argument (ie this one) fails.

How can my argument "fail". This is an interview of the finder, the actual paleantologist, of rodhocetus. Is your contention that the paleantologists is "misquoted" in a video of he himself speaking? In the video is it not abundantly clear that the drawings of the evolutionary model of "whale evolution" presented to the museum were "guesses" which turned out to be false? Is it logical and reasonable to say that it is more than possible that if the person who asked the question hadn't pointed out that the skeleton find was inconsistant with the museum drawings, that the paleantologist would have never said anything and allowed the drawings to be perceived as reality?

You already ignored my reply to this nonsense twice. Go look them up and respond to them, and then we can talk.
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2/3/2016 6:01:22 PM
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At 2/3/2016 5:53:45 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/3/2016 5:49:01 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/3/2016 5:13:36 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/3/2016 5:00:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:33:20 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:30:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
How Evolution "science" actually works

Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus

http://www.amnh.org...

The Science of Ambulocetus Rodhocetus

http://youtu.be...

Look........................over there.....................a thingy...............................you love them.
Which thingy is it?

It's the thingy that instead of watching and rebuttling, you overcompensate by mocking what

1)You do not understand

OR

2)Do not wish to hear or view because it contrasts your Atheistic view which if challenged in this particular way then leaves you in the same position as the Theist, believing in the unseen.

Says the guy who has slithered away with no comment two separate times when I've gone to the trouble to illustrate why his favorite argument (ie this one) fails.

How can my argument "fail". This is an interview of the finder, the actual paleantologist, of rodhocetus. Is your contention that the paleantologists is "misquoted" in a video of he himself speaking? In the video is it not abundantly clear that the drawings of the evolutionary model of "whale evolution" presented to the museum were "guesses" which turned out to be false? Is it logical and reasonable to say that it is more than possible that if the person who asked the question hadn't pointed out that the skeleton find was inconsistant with the museum drawings, that the paleantologist would have never said anything and allowed the drawings to be perceived as reality?

You already ignored my reply to this nonsense twice. Go look them up and respond to them, and then we can talk.

Ignoring doesn't seem to be one of my personality traits. If I have failed to rebuttal a position made against me it would be that it was lost in the monsoon of Atheist attacks and private messages I receive daily. I will asdume it was on a particular thread concerning evolution. Can you provide the name of the thread?
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2/3/2016 6:08:35 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 5:50:56 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/3/2016 5:33:12 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:04:50 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/3/2016 12:06:36 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

The fossil record shows that evolution never happened.

Your link is a cache of quote mining

Bs"d

Yes, but it still the truth.

and your assertion is demonstably false.

In that case I suggest that you show what is false and why.

Go ahead; you have the floor.

I be happy to rebut your case once you make one. An assertion and a cache of quotes likely taken out of context is not a case. It's your thread, you'll need to do a little leg work before I do.

Bs"d

So you cannot refute even a single quote.

Point taken.
Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.
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2/3/2016 6:08:53 PM
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https://books.google.com......

Stephen Jay Gould admitted: "The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution.."
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2/3/2016 6:10:58 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 4:16:52 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/3/2016 12:06:36 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

The fossil record shows that evolution never happened.

For the finer details look here: https://sites.google.com...

Evolution is dead, it is just the laymen, brainwashed with lies, who doesn't know it.
And 99% of scientists. Go you good thing. hahahaha
Archaeology proves that jews are just canaanites who fabricated stories to put their weights up.

Citation needed
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2/3/2016 6:11:14 PM
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At 2/3/2016 6:08:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
https://books.google.com......

Stephen Jay Gould admitted: "The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution.."

Bs"d

And that's why he made up the unlikely "punctuated equilibrium" theory, in order to explain the total lack of evidence.
Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.
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2/3/2016 6:16:12 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 6:08:35 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
At 2/3/2016 5:50:56 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/3/2016 5:33:12 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
At 2/3/2016 4:04:50 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/3/2016 12:06:36 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Bs"d

The fossil record shows that evolution never happened.

Your link is a cache of quote mining

Bs"d

Yes, but it still the truth.

and your assertion is demonstably false.

In that case I suggest that you show what is false and why.

Go ahead; you have the floor.

I be happy to rebut your case once you make one. An assertion and a cache of quotes likely taken out of context is not a case. It's your thread, you'll need to do a little leg work before I do.

Bs"d

So you cannot refute even a single quote.

The quotes do not substantiate your claims.

Point taken.

Point refuted.
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2/3/2016 6:18:29 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 6:16:12 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
So you cannot refute even a single quote.

The quotes do not substantiate your claims.

Bs"d

That's what you think.

Everybody with at least two working brain cells who reads them knows better.
Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.
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2/3/2016 6:25:25 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 6:18:29 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
At 2/3/2016 6:16:12 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
So you cannot refute even a single quote.

The quotes do not substantiate your claims.

Bs"d

That's what you think.

No, that's what the quotes reveal.

Everybody with at least two working brain cells who reads them knows better.

That may be your problem right there, not enough working brain cells.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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2/3/2016 6:33:10 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 6:25:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/3/2016 6:18:29 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
At 2/3/2016 6:16:12 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
So you cannot refute even a single quote.

The quotes do not substantiate your claims.

Bs"d

That's what you think.

No, that's what the quotes reveal.

Everybody with at least two working brain cells who reads them knows better.

That may be your problem right there, not enough working brain cells.

Bs"d

Just keep on believing in the frog who turned into a prince.
Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.
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2/3/2016 6:34:32 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 5:37:11 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
Evolution is dead, it is just the laymen, brainwashed with lies, who doesn't know it.

The Nobel Prize awaits anyone who can prove this true. Unlike the religious community, the science community rewards "heresy" (if well supported) and rewards it handsomely!

Bs"d

You're joking, right?

Partially, yes-- in that evolution is observed fact, a "scientist" attempting to overturn accepted facts would not receive a warm reception from scientists.

I accept fault for attempting to put in soundbite format a concept on which books could be, and probably are written. The MODERN scientific community does not suffer fools, charlatans, and dogmatists well. However, it has historically, especially in pre-modern times, ridiculed the brilliant and smiled upon the mistaken. Yet it has the general self awareness to admit that it has done this. Scientists are human, too. Some researchers are before their time or victims of bad timing, or victims of poor people skills-- which scientists are notorious for!

Thanks for your thoughtful reply:

New information in general is not awarded a warm welcome. We all want new information, we read newspapers, check out the news channels, everything for new information.

And when something really new pops up, then... then all hell breaks loose.

Why would that be? Excellent question. When you find out, please let me know.

About 300 years ago, Galileo by means of one of the first telescopes discovered that the earth is revolving around the sun, and not the other way around. New information. Did that bring him fame and admiration? Not really. He was put in jail until he retracted his statement about the earth revolving around the sun.

Galileo was mainly victimized by the religious establishment of the time, so this isn't a good counter example. The Bible fails to comport with or clearly explain astronomical reality, as history shows.

About 150 years ago women were dying by the scores because of the feared puerperal fever. A certain doctor, Semmelweis, discovered after long study that it was caused because doctors, after they did an autopsy, went on doing internal examinations in pregnant women, without first washing their hands. He discovered that washing hands after cutting up dead body's and before internal examinations in women, would save very many lives.

Did that discovery bring him fame and recognition?

Well, calling your peers "murderers" is hardly asking for a warm reception. Seems like he was a victim of bad timing, as his discovery predated germ theory and modern medicine, which put the "well supported" aspect of his findings in doubt.

Not really. His colleagues refused to believe that they were the cause of the high mortality on the maternity wards. Dr Semmelweis pushed the subject. He called doctors who refused to wash their hands "murderers', which they were of course, and strongly condemned the unhygienic practices of his colleagues. In stead of thanks for his discovery which only in his own clinic saved thousands of womens lives, what happened was that he was beaten with clubs, locked up in a mental assylum, where he died a few weeks later.

Also this new information didn't get a warm reception.

His positive place in history is assured, at least. Unfortunately, the Bible, while it does advise one not to dump where they live and eat, omitted the "why" and the importance of washing ones hands...

The person who discovered that Jacob-Kreutzfeld syndrome, "mad cow disease" was caused by "killer proteins", was made fun of and ridiculed.

Fortunately he could quickly come up with empiric proof for his discovery.

That is fortunate and consistent with contrary findings being "well supported."

In 1982 the Israeli scientist Shechtman discovered "quasi-cristals", which appeared to be going against the laws of nature. People didn't take that too well. Publications by him about the subject were refused by publishers, he lost his job, was kicked out of his research team, and was wandering in the scientific waste lands for almost 10 years.

In 2011 he got the Nobel price for his discovery.

Also this bringer of new information had a rough time.

Dr Velikovsky, a jack of all trades, or more accurately worded: a master of all trades, had studied medicine and psychology, and worked for some time as a psychiatrist. Besides that he also studied physics, biology, history, and law. He delved into archeology and cosmology, and came up with a lot of new theories.

He didn't exactly reap fame and admiration thanks to his new ideas.

In 1950 most historians and astronomers saw Velikovsky's predictions and conclusions as nonsense. But while most aspiring scientists are accorded the right to propose theories even when the scientific community is not convinced of their veracity, this is not what happened to Velikovsky. His book; "Worlds in Collision", became the target of a fierce attack, even before it rolled of the printing presses. The attack was led by Dr. Harlow Shapley, a famous astronomer who then served as director of the Harvard University Observatory. Velikovsky met with Shapley in the spring of 1946 and described the ramifications of his extended, exhaustive study of the ancient writings. He asked whether Shapley would agree to read his manuscript, which had been in the preparatory stages for six years, and carry out certain experiments to verify the theory. Shapley, who was highly pressured at the time, turned down Velikovsky. However, he stipulated that if the manuscript would be read and approved by a well known scholar he knew, then he would find the time to read it, and he or a colleague would carry out the experiments in question.

Dr. Horace Kallen, a well-known scholar and co-founder of the New School for Social Research in New York, read Velikovsky's work. Deeply impressed, he wrote to Shapley and urged him to carry out the experiments, saying that if the theory should prove valid, "not only astronomy but history and a good many of the anthropological and social sciences would need to be reconsidered both for their content and explanation."

Shapley, when he heard that the work cast doubt on the stability of the solar system, sufficed with the following reply: "If Velikovsky is right, the rest of us are crazy."

Not only that, a short time after the book appeared in print, a university student asked Shapley whether she could base her research paper on the book. He answered her in the negative, saying Velikovsky was a liar and a forger. As for her question whether he read the book, Shapley provided the following scientific answer: "I didn't read it and I don't plan on reading it, because he is a liar and a forger." It was as simple as that. When it came to Velikovsky, the famous American "benefit of the doubt" had for some reason disappeared. At the onset of 1950, when the Macmillan publication company announced its intentions to publish Velikovsky's "Worlds in Collision", Shapley tried to prevent the book from going to press. He threatened to "sever his ties" with the company, which relied on textbook sales for a substantial part of its profits. In what seemed to be an organized boycott, a long line of letters arrive in the Macmillan offices, all written by scientists, authors, and professors who used Macmillan textbooks for their courses. The letters warned the company to abandon its plan of publishing Velikovsky's books. At that point Macmillan had already begun the printing process. Faced with a though dilemma, the company announced that it would agree to a last minute critique of the book by three well known scientists. When two out of the three approved publication, Macmillan went ahead with the printing and the book appeared on the shelves in April of that year.

Thats when the storm broke.

To be continued
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2/3/2016 6:38:48 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/3/2016 6:33:10 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
At 2/3/2016 6:25:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/3/2016 6:18:29 PM, Eliyahu wrote:
At 2/3/2016 6:16:12 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
So you cannot refute even a single quote.

The quotes do not substantiate your claims.

Bs"d

That's what you think.

No, that's what the quotes reveal.

Everybody with at least two working brain cells who reads them knows better.

That may be your problem right there, not enough working brain cells.

Bs"d

Just keep on believing in the frog who turned into a prince.

Yes, I read your childish explanation of that. Are you trying out a stand up comedy routine?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth