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2/15/2016 5:19:51 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Here is a particular Atheist's view.

We are machines built by DNA whose purpose is to make more copies of the same DNA. ... This is exactly what we are for. We are machines for propagating DNA, and the propagation of DNA is a self-sustaining process. It is every living object's sole reason for living.
" Richard Dawkins
Royal Institution Christmas Lecture, 'The Ultraviolet Garden', (No. 4, 1991). Quoted in Vinoth Ramachandra, Subverting Global Myths: Theology and the Public Issues Shaping our World (2008), 187.

Do you agree with his view or do you agree with this view?

Jesus Christ

Mark 8:36
"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

Matthew 7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you,
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 5:19:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Here is a particular Atheist's view.

We are machines built by DNA whose purpose is to make more copies of the same DNA. ... This is exactly what we are for. We are machines for propagating DNA, and the propagation of DNA is a self-sustaining process. It is every living object's sole reason for living.
" Richard Dawkins
Royal Institution Christmas Lecture, 'The Ultraviolet Garden', (No. 4, 1991). Quoted in Vinoth Ramachandra, Subverting Global Myths: Theology and the Public Issues Shaping our World (2008), 187.

Richard Dawkins also says that humans have evolved a complex enough brain to be able to bypass Darwinian instinct, and thus give ourselves extrinsic, relativistic meaning outside of reproduction.

Do you agree with his view or do you agree with this view?

Jesus Christ

Mark 8:36
"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

What is a "soul"?
What evidence do you have for the existence of a "soul"?

Matthew 7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you,

The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".
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2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:19:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Here is a particular Atheist's view.

We are machines built by DNA whose purpose is to make more copies of the same DNA. ... This is exactly what we are for. We are machines for propagating DNA, and the propagation of DNA is a self-sustaining process. It is every living object's sole reason for living.
" Richard Dawkins
Royal Institution Christmas Lecture, 'The Ultraviolet Garden', (No. 4, 1991). Quoted in Vinoth Ramachandra, Subverting Global Myths: Theology and the Public Issues Shaping our World (2008), 187.

Richard Dawkins also says that humans have evolved a complex enough brain to be able to bypass Darwinian instinct, and thus give ourselves extrinsic, relativistic meaning outside of reproduction.

Do you agree with his view or do you agree with this view?

Jesus Christ

Mark 8:36
"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

What is a "soul"?
What evidence do you have for the existence of a "soul"?

Matthew 7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you,

The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".

That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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2/15/2016 5:50:35 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 5:19:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Here is a particular Atheist's view.

We are machines built by DNA whose purpose is to make more copies of the same DNA. ... This is exactly what we are for. We are machines for propagating DNA, and the propagation of DNA is a self-sustaining process. It is every living object's sole reason for living.
" Richard Dawkins
Royal Institution Christmas Lecture, 'The Ultraviolet Garden', (No. 4, 1991). Quoted in Vinoth Ramachandra, Subverting Global Myths: Theology and the Public Issues Shaping our World (2008), 187.

Do you agree with his view or do you agree with this view?

Jesus Christ

Mark 8:36
"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

Matthew 7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you,

Dawkins explanation of life makes sense to me. The stuff out of the bible doesn't but then none of it does to me.
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2/15/2016 5:51:07 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:19:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Here is a particular Atheist's view.

We are machines built by DNA whose purpose is to make more copies of the same DNA. ... This is exactly what we are for. We are machines for propagating DNA, and the propagation of DNA is a self-sustaining process. It is every living object's sole reason for living.
" Richard Dawkins
Royal Institution Christmas Lecture, 'The Ultraviolet Garden', (No. 4, 1991). Quoted in Vinoth Ramachandra, Subverting Global Myths: Theology and the Public Issues Shaping our World (2008), 187.

Richard Dawkins also says that humans have evolved a complex enough brain to be able to bypass Darwinian instinct, and thus give ourselves extrinsic, relativistic meaning outside of reproduction.

Do you agree with his view or do you agree with this view?

Jesus Christ

Mark 8:36
"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

What is a "soul"?
What evidence do you have for the existence of a "soul"?

Matthew 7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you,

The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".

That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?

Being told to be nice to others as a child by Christian parents does not make being nice a Christian value.
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2/15/2016 5:54:02 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Lots of dillahunry dodging today I see.
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2/15/2016 5:54:31 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 5:54:02 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Lots of dillahunry dodging today I see.

Dillahunty*
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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2/15/2016 5:55:15 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".
That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?
Christians have their own values?

Please identify them, Bronto, and explain why they are not also the values of Buddhists, Jainists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews or indeed... are not and cannot be derived from rational compassion even without religious belief.

As you do so, and in fairness, please could you also identify for us some moral values held by other groups, but never by Christians.

If you can't answer these questions, then how is your question meaningful and respectful? How is it not simply ignorant, self-important posturing?
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2/15/2016 6:02:02 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 5:55:15 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".
That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?
Christians have their own values?

Please identify them, Bronto, and explain why they are not also the values of Buddhists, Jainists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews or indeed... are not and cannot be derived from rational compassion even without religious belief.

As you do so, and in fairness, please could you also identify for us some moral values held by other groups, but never by Christians.

If you can't answer these questions, then how is your question meaningful and respectful? How is it not simply ignorant, self-important posturing?

Too many words for him. Expect a long pause while he looks for material to copy/paste.
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2/15/2016 6:13:35 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 5:55:15 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".
That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?
Christians have their own values?

Please identify them, Bronto, and explain why they are not also the values of Buddhists, Jainists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews or indeed... are not and cannot be derived from rational compassion even without religious belief.

As you do so, and in fairness, please could you also identify for us some moral values held by other groups, but never by Christians.

If you can't answer these questions, then how is your question meaningful and respectful? How is it not simply ignorant, self-important posturing?

Okay. A picture tells a thousand words.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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2/15/2016 6:14:33 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Islam: Little girl bride

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Hindu: Stoning festival

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Islam: Hand cut off, Sharia

http://youtu.be...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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2/15/2016 6:19:41 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Buddha snake rituals children

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"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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2/15/2016 6:23:22 PM
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Death rituals from other beliefs

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2/15/2016 6:25:29 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 5:55:15 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".
That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?
Christians have their own values?

Please identify them, Bronto, and explain why they are not also the values of Buddhists, Jainists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews or indeed... are not and cannot be derived from rational compassion even without religious belief.

As you do so, and in fairness, please could you also identify for us some moral values held by other groups, but never by Christians.

If you can't answer these questions, then how is your question meaningful and respectful? How is it not simply ignorant, self-important posturing?

Make a case for a better religion. I can pick apart the major ones. Go for it.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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2/15/2016 6:26:28 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
I am an atheist with values. They probably share overlap with Christian values. They probably share overlap with the values of many ideologies.
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2/15/2016 6:26:59 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 6:13:35 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:55:15 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".
That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?
Christians have their own values?

Please identify them, Bronto, and explain why they are not also the values of Buddhists, Jainists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews or indeed... are not and cannot be derived from rational compassion even without religious belief.

As you do so, and in fairness, please could you also identify for us some moral values held by other groups, but never by Christians.

If you can't answer these questions, then how is your question meaningful and respectful? How is it not simply ignorant, self-important posturing?

Okay. A picture tells a thousand words.

Actually, I have asked you to identify what values Christians have that cannot be found anywhere else.

You haven't done so. Please do so. Name the values, and explain why they're nowhere else.
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2/15/2016 6:28:15 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 6:02:02 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:55:15 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".
That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?
Christians have their own values?

Please identify them, Bronto, and explain why they are not also the values of Buddhists, Jainists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews or indeed... are not and cannot be derived from rational compassion even without religious belief.

As you do so, and in fairness, please could you also identify for us some moral values held by other groups, but never by Christians.

If you can't answer these questions, then how is your question meaningful and respectful? How is it not simply ignorant, self-important posturing?

Too many words for him. Expect a long pause while he looks for material to copy/paste.

You nailed that one.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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2/15/2016 6:30:05 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 6:25:29 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:55:15 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".
That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?
Christians have their own values?

Please identify them, Bronto, and explain why they are not also the values of Buddhists, Jainists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews or indeed... are not and cannot be derived from rational compassion even without religious belief.

As you do so, and in fairness, please could you also identify for us some moral values held by other groups, but never by Christians.

If you can't answer these questions, then how is your question meaningful and respectful? How is it not simply ignorant, self-important posturing?

Make a case for a better religion. I can pick apart the major ones. Go for it.

Perhaps, you're not getting the point, a religion is not required for morals and ethics.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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2/15/2016 6:30:45 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 6:02:02 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:55:15 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".
That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?
Christians have their own values?

Please identify them, Bronto, and explain why they are not also the values of Buddhists, Jainists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews or indeed... are not and cannot be derived from rational compassion even without religious belief.

As you do so, and in fairness, please could you also identify for us some moral values held by other groups, but never by Christians.

If you can't answer these questions, then how is your question meaningful and respectful? How is it not simply ignorant, self-important posturing?

Too many words for him. Expect a long pause while he looks for material to copy/paste.

Do you believe in cannabalism, 6 year old brides to older men are okay, hands should be chopped off for accused theft, apostates should die, homosexuals should die, live animal sacrifice, public stoning wars, etc? If you don't you got it from your Judaeo Christian influence.
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2/15/2016 6:32:25 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 6:30:05 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/15/2016 6:25:29 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:55:15 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".
That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?
Christians have their own values?

Please identify them, Bronto, and explain why they are not also the values of Buddhists, Jainists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews or indeed... are not and cannot be derived from rational compassion even without religious belief.

As you do so, and in fairness, please could you also identify for us some moral values held by other groups, but never by Christians.

If you can't answer these questions, then how is your question meaningful and respectful? How is it not simply ignorant, self-important posturing?

Make a case for a better religion. I can pick apart the major ones. Go for it.

Perhaps, you're not getting the point, a religion is not required for morals and ethics.

So which religion are you surrounded by that set the general path of your culture?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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2/15/2016 6:36:46 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 6:30:05 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/15/2016 6:25:29 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:55:15 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".
That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?
Christians have their own values?

Please identify them, Bronto, and explain why they are not also the values of Buddhists, Jainists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews or indeed... are not and cannot be derived from rational compassion even without religious belief.

As you do so, and in fairness, please could you also identify for us some moral values held by other groups, but never by Christians.

If you can't answer these questions, then how is your question meaningful and respectful? How is it not simply ignorant, self-important posturing?

Make a case for a better religion. I can pick apart the major ones. Go for it.

Perhaps, you're not getting the point, a religion is not required for morals and ethics.

You guys want Christianity to die, but typically being nontheologically based, Atheists don't think about the consequences.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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2/15/2016 6:37:10 PM
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In a text that is coursing about on social media, professional God-slayer Richard Dawkins begrudgingly admitted that Christianity may actually be our best defense against aberrant forms of religion that threaten the world.

"There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings," Dawkins said. "I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death."

In a rare moment of candor, Dawkins reluctantly accepted that the teachings of Jesus Christ do not lead to a world of terror, whereas followers of radical Islam perpetrate the very atrocities that he laments.

Because of this realization, Dawkins wondered aloud whether Christianity might indeed offer an antidote to protect western civilization against jihad.

"I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse," he said.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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2/15/2016 6:48:12 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 6:32:25 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 6:30:05 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/15/2016 6:25:29 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:55:15 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".
That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?
Christians have their own values?

Please identify them, Bronto, and explain why they are not also the values of Buddhists, Jainists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews or indeed... are not and cannot be derived from rational compassion even without religious belief.

As you do so, and in fairness, please could you also identify for us some moral values held by other groups, but never by Christians.

If you can't answer these questions, then how is your question meaningful and respectful? How is it not simply ignorant, self-important posturing?

Make a case for a better religion. I can pick apart the major ones. Go for it.

Perhaps, you're not getting the point, a religion is not required for morals and ethics.

So which religion are you surrounded by that set the general path of your culture?

We're surrounded by all kinds of religions, none of which have set a path for our culture.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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2/15/2016 6:49:31 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 6:36:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 6:30:05 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/15/2016 6:25:29 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:55:15 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:45:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/15/2016 5:36:04 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The Golden Rule is older than Christianity, and thus it isn't a "Christian value".
That wasn't the question. The question was, do you have Christian values? Did you learn your code of ethics from a Christian upbringing?
Christians have their own values?

Please identify them, Bronto, and explain why they are not also the values of Buddhists, Jainists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews or indeed... are not and cannot be derived from rational compassion even without religious belief.

As you do so, and in fairness, please could you also identify for us some moral values held by other groups, but never by Christians.

If you can't answer these questions, then how is your question meaningful and respectful? How is it not simply ignorant, self-important posturing?

Make a case for a better religion. I can pick apart the major ones. Go for it.

Perhaps, you're not getting the point, a religion is not required for morals and ethics.

You guys want Christianity to die, but typically being nontheologically based, Atheists don't think about the consequences.

And, what consequences would those be?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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2/15/2016 7:07:24 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
2040 - 1650 BC -Possibly the earliest affirmation of reciprocity reflecting the Ancient Egyptian goddess, Ma'at, who appears in the story of The Eloquent Peasant, which dates to the Middle Kingdom (c. 2040 " c. 1650 BC): "Now this is the command: Do to the doer to make him do."[10][11] This proverb embodies the do ut des principle.[12]

664 - 323 BC - A Late Period (c. 664 BC " 323 BC) papyrus contains an early negative affirmation of the Golden Rule: "That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another."[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Are you a Christian with Egyptian values?

500 BC -"Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." -Confucius
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Are you a Christian with Confucian values?

1,000,000 BC - The fictional Fred Flintstone helps a stranger who was robbed and left to die. He says "I'd want him to help me." Golden rule thinking is born!

http://www.harryhiker.com...

Are you a Christian with Flintstone's values?! (Lol)

The point being, the Golden rule predates Christianity by 1000's of years. It is not a "Christian value", i.e. - it didn't come from Christianity.
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2/15/2016 7:18:50 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 7:07:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
2040 - 1650 BC -Possibly the earliest affirmation of reciprocity reflecting the Ancient Egyptian goddess, Ma'at, who appears in the story of The Eloquent Peasant, which dates to the Middle Kingdom (c. 2040 " c. 1650 BC): "Now this is the command: Do to the doer to make him do."[10][11] This proverb embodies the do ut des principle.[12]

664 - 323 BC - A Late Period (c. 664 BC " 323 BC) papyrus contains an early negative affirmation of the Golden Rule: "That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another."[13]
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Are you a Christian with Egyptian values?

500 BC -"Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." -Confucius
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Are you a Christian with Confucian values?

1,000,000 BC - The fictional Fred Flintstone helps a stranger who was robbed and left to die. He says "I'd want him to help me." Golden rule thinking is born!

http://www.harryhiker.com...

Are you a Christian with Flintstone's values?! (Lol)

The point being, the Golden rule predates Christianity by 1000's of years. It is not a "Christian value", i.e. - it didn't come from Christianity.

Ancient concepts similar to christianity are of no concern to me. They simply get us closer to the original belief.

Jesus' teaching was a broad sense of ethics that ranwell further than the golden rule. He references the beliefs of the Jews who came out of Egypt. But the Egyptians did not say "love your enemy", "Pray for those who use you and speak poorly about you."
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2/15/2016 7:22:40 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 7:07:24 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
2040 - 1650 BC -Possibly the earliest affirmation of reciprocity reflecting the Ancient Egyptian goddess, Ma'at, who appears in the story of The Eloquent Peasant, which dates to the Middle Kingdom (c. 2040 " c. 1650 BC): "Now this is the command: Do to the doer to make him do."[10][11] This proverb embodies the do ut des principle.[12]

664 - 323 BC - A Late Period (c. 664 BC " 323 BC) papyrus contains an early negative affirmation of the Golden Rule: "That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another."[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Are you a Christian with Egyptian values?

500 BC -"Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." -Confucius
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Are you a Christian with Confucian values?

1,000,000 BC - The fictional Fred Flintstone helps a stranger who was robbed and left to die. He says "I'd want him to help me." Golden rule thinking is born!

http://www.harryhiker.com...

Are you a Christian with Flintstone's values?! (Lol)

The point being, the Golden rule predates Christianity by 1000's of years. It is not a "Christian value", i.e. - it didn't come from Christianity.

You quoted Egypt in 644 BC, so let's go back further.
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2/15/2016 7:23:05 PM
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Judaism:" 1300 BC," from the Old Testament, Leviticus 19:18-" "Thou shalt Love thy neighbor as thyself."
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2/15/2016 7:29:46 PM
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c. 1650 BC): "Now this is the command: Do to the doer to make him do."[10][11]

This doesn't look much like the golden rule to me. Quite the opposite actually.

Nevertheless, you did get your value system from the overall scope of the Christian concepts correct? I say this because if you were in Pakistan child brides would be moral, cutting hands off for alleged theft would be okay, stoning okay, if in India public stoning wars to appease the goddess okay...
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2/15/2016 7:31:07 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/15/2016 7:23:05 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Judaism:" 1300 BC," from the Old Testament, Leviticus 19:18-" "Thou shalt Love thy neighbor as thyself."

Actually, I listed an Egyptian reference to the Golden rule 700 years earlier than this. Also, Judaism is not Christianity. Christianity did not exists until Jesus died- approximately 33AD.

Basically, you are saying you're a Christian with Judaic values. Oops...
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