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2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...
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2/18/2016 8:59:08 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Scroll down in your link....
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2/18/2016 9:10:10 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 8:59:08 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Scroll down in your link....

We should be teaming with life Ram, but notta.
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2/18/2016 9:12:53 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 9:10:10 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/18/2016 8:59:08 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Scroll down in your link....

We should be teaming with life Ram, but notta.

So you didn't scroll down, right?
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2/18/2016 9:30:48 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 9:12:53 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 2/18/2016 9:10:10 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/18/2016 8:59:08 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Scroll down in your link....

We should be teaming with life Ram, but notta.

So you didn't scroll down, right?

Unique to only Earth...sniff...sniff...
I smell ID...
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2/18/2016 9:33:01 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 9:30:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/18/2016 9:12:53 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 2/18/2016 9:10:10 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/18/2016 8:59:08 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Scroll down in your link....

We should be teaming with life Ram, but notta.

So you didn't scroll down, right?

Unique to only Earth...sniff...sniff...
I smell ID...

So you didn't scroll down....
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2/18/2016 9:36:52 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

I doubt the Earth is typical.
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2/18/2016 9:48:12 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 9:33:01 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 2/18/2016 9:30:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/18/2016 9:12:53 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 2/18/2016 9:10:10 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/18/2016 8:59:08 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Scroll down in your link....

We should be teaming with life Ram, but notta.

So you didn't scroll down, right?

Unique to only Earth...sniff...sniff...
I smell ID...

So you didn't scroll down....

I did scroll down. The explanations are we are not typical and we are unique. I asdumed as much. I need some aliens Ram. Show me the aliens.
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2/19/2016 12:08:00 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 9:48:12 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/18/2016 9:33:01 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 2/18/2016 9:30:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/18/2016 9:12:53 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 2/18/2016 9:10:10 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/18/2016 8:59:08 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Scroll down in your link....

We should be teaming with life Ram, but notta.

So you didn't scroll down, right?

Unique to only Earth...sniff...sniff...
I smell ID...

So you didn't scroll down....

I did scroll down. The explanations are we are not typical and we are unique. I asdumed as much. I need some aliens Ram. Show me the aliens.

Again, this reply indicates you read none of the responses, or have read them and are forced to lie about them in order to maintain your position. Few of them maintain that we are special, and none of them argue that we are special for any reason that necessitates intelligent design.
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2/19/2016 12:19:39 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

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2/19/2016 2:37:39 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
The galaxy is teaming with alien life. However, I have it on good authority that all attempts to make contact with us have been thwarted when the exploration (or invasion) parties were eaten by small dogs.
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2/19/2016 12:45:00 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

So, after making comparisons to Earth being completely average, and our current capabilities of barely extending a satellite past the immediate solar system, barely being able to put humans on the moon, and our radio signals only having slightly less than 100 years in which to radiate out, reaching a population of perhaps... 28 plants that we think could support life...

you are asking "why haven't we seen others, yet?"

This of course assumes that the event that wiped out the dinosaurs didn't happen to some hypothetical planet which might have been able to 'reply' to us, or develop interstellar travel.

Or that the rate of technological development is the same.

Or that said interstellar beings haven't whipped by Earth 5000 years ago and saw no reason to stop.

Or did see a reason to stop, descend out of the heavens on their chariots of fire, and leave some basic rules for living in the various cultures developing around earth, only to ascend back into the heavens on plumes of billowy smoke like wings.
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2/19/2016 1:03:24 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"


Some possibilities...........

1) God killed them, probably over gay alien marriage.

2) They are already here, shape shifting lizard people

3) We all live in the matrix and aliens are not part of the programming

4) We are the aliens..............TWIST.
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2/19/2016 1:55:56 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

What about those heavenly sons of God who forsook their own original habitat and came down in the days of Enoch's physical father "JARED," the name "JARED" means "DESCENDING?" Those heavenly observers/watchers, who were non-physical beings, who would possess the bodies of the men while they were with their wives and were somehow able to pass on their issue, and Giants were born of those unions.

Both Enoch, whose spiritual father was Cain the shining one and Noah, were described as Giants. And it is written in the "Book of Enoch the Prophet" CVI: 1-6, "Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became pregnant by him and bore a son. And his body was as white as snow and as red as the blooming of a rose and the hair on his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness. And his father Lamech was afraid of him, (Just as Eve was terrified when she first saw Cain the shinning one and thought to kill him) and Lamech fled and ran to his father Methuselah. And he said to him: "I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different, and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious. And it seems that he is not sprung from me, but from the angels. And I fear that in his days, a wonder may be wrought on the earth.

Do we, the descendants of Noah, carry within us the genetics of the starmen?
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2/19/2016 2:20:45 PM
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At 2/19/2016 2:05:48 PM, rnjs wrote:
Obviously the ETs come to earth, leave patterns in our cornfields, and leave.

You're talking about those cereal killers, aren't you?
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2/19/2016 2:23:48 PM
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At 2/19/2016 1:55:56 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

What about those heavenly sons of God who forsook their own original habitat and came down in the days of Enoch's physical father "JARED," the name "JARED" means "DESCENDING?" Those heavenly observers/watchers, who were non-physical beings, who would possess the bodies of the men while they were with their wives and were somehow able to pass on their issue, and Giants were born of those unions.

Both Enoch, whose spiritual father was Cain the shining one and Noah, were described as Giants. And it is written in the "Book of Enoch the Prophet" CVI: 1-6, "Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became pregnant by him and bore a son. And his body was as white as snow and as red as the blooming of a rose and the hair on his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness. And his father Lamech was afraid of him, (Just as Eve was terrified when she first saw Cain the shinning one and thought to kill him) and Lamech fled and ran to his father Methuselah. And he said to him: "I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different, and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious. And it seems that he is not sprung from me, but from the angels. And I fear that in his days, a wonder may be wrought on the earth.

Do we, the descendants of Noah, carry within us the genetics of the starmen?

Noah is Superman's dad and Superman never had kids.
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2/19/2016 4:25:36 PM
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At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.
With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.
According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

I can't see why atheism and only atheism follows aliens taking contact with us, but here are some possible explanations:

* We happen to be the ones who have advanced the furthest (this would be a certainly good way of explaining it in a theist perspective, many religions actively or passively include extraterrestrial civilizations).
* It is in the nature of all civilizations to be self-destructive. We humans have been here in 200 000 years, whereas we exited the animalic caveman stage quite recently. In some years, or maybe even now, we could techincally have a world war wiping out the entire mankind. Thus, many civilizations must have wiped out themselves.
* There are, but maybe they can't see any points in contacting us? Where is it understood that extraterrestrials would think in the exact same ways as we are thinking?
* There are, but despite how intelligent they may be in many aspects, the concept of the universe hasn't struck them. Take into account how there technically could be civilizations on the cores of gas planets. Perhaps it wouldn't struck them that there is something beyond those layers of gas, now would it?
* They don't use radio signals for contacting, which is the only way we are trying to receive communication in right now.
* NASA has discovered alien life, but they don't acknowledge it for us, with the risk of humans going mad of having their worldview shattered.
* There are, but they are having us under watch/Our planet is isolated somehow on purpose.
* They are afraid of us.
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2/19/2016 4:46:00 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Maybe all the aliens are hiding, along with all the gods/goddesses for which there is also zilch evidence.
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2/19/2016 4:52:03 PM
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* There are, but they believe they would create a chaos if they showed themselves for us, which naturally would happen given billions of humans would have their worldview shattered.
* There are, but they do not consider us intelligent enough to even bother with.
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2/19/2016 4:55:58 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 4:46:00 PM, desmac wrote:
Maybe all the aliens are hiding, along with all the gods/goddesses for which there is also zilch evidence.

Sure there is.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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2/19/2016 4:56:41 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
"Does God Exist?"

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2/19/2016 5:23:33 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 5:04:37 PM, desmac wrote:
At 2/19/2016 4:56:41 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Does God Exist?"

http://www.debate.org...

No evidence of any gods or aliens there.

I'm assuming you did not go through any or most of it. I'm not interested in any aliens.

What I am interested in is what the book of Revelation says will happen.

We need a "false prophet", saying Jesus is not the Son of God. Muhammed declared "God has no son" in the Quran.

We need a "new god" Allah did not exist when the Bible was written.

We need the religion to be anti Jew and anti Christian. Islam is.

We need the religion's followers to persecute and specifically "behead" Christians. ISIS has done it and in mass.

We need Israel to continue to exist despite the monstrous odds against it. It miraculously has continued on and on and on....

We need a "mark" on this religions' people. Muslims have the mark of "in the name of Allah" which strangely resembles 666 in the original Greek.

We need the Gospel preached across the world. It is.

Egypt can never rule over another nation. It hasn't.

We need the ability of conseputulization of the Euphrates drying up. Turkey now has a dam on it and Iraq is angry because the Euphrates is "dried up".
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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2/19/2016 5:27:22 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 5:04:37 PM, desmac wrote:
At 2/19/2016 4:56:41 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Does God Exist?"

http://www.debate.org...

No evidence of any gods or aliens there.

Shall I continue or are proofs even not enough to get an Atheist brain in motion? Atheists say God needs to show something. Well, there it is.

Proof of God will not matter to the avid Atheist. The Atheist appears to not want God in their heart to the bitter end and to any end.
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2/19/2016 6:17:52 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
I think this a question for scientists rather than atheists, Bronto...

Just in case the difference isn't clear:

Scientists: professionals dedicated to studying our world and ourselves using best-practice empirical methods
Atheists: people who reject theological claims about gods

You're welcome. :)
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2/19/2016 6:25:02 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 5:23:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:04:37 PM, desmac wrote:
At 2/19/2016 4:56:41 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Does God Exist?"

http://www.debate.org...

No evidence of any gods or aliens there.

I'm assuming you did not go through any or most of it. I'm not interested in any aliens.
So why does the OP refer to Fermi's Paradox, which specifically relates to alien life?

What I am interested in is what the book of Revelation says will happen.

We need a "false prophet", saying Jesus is not the Son of God. Muhammed declared "God has no son" in the Quran.

We need a "new god" Allah did not exist when the Bible was written.

We need the religion to be anti Jew and anti Christian. Islam is.

We need the religion's followers to persecute and specifically "behead" Christians. ISIS has done it and in mass.

We need Israel to continue to exist despite the monstrous odds against it. It miraculously has continued on and on and on....

We need a "mark" on this religions' people. Muslims have the mark of "in the name of Allah" which strangely resembles 666 in the original Greek.

We need the Gospel preached across the world. It is.

Egypt can never rule over another nation. It hasn't.

We need the ability of conseputulization of the Euphrates drying up. Turkey now has a dam on it and Iraq is angry because the Euphrates is "dried up".

Any old tosh written in old books for the benefit of priest castes hardly counts as entertainment, never mind scientific proof.

Either come up with some evidence or pipe down.
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2/19/2016 7:00:47 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 8:53:18 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Fermi paradox or Fermi's paradox, named after Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations. The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901"1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:

The Drake equation is essentially a big multiplication of seven variables. And we don't know what most of the values of the variables are we can only speculate them. For example the fraction of habitable planets that exist, and the fraction of those that yield life and by extension, intelligent life. While we can speculate them, and make educated guesses which are better than shooting in the dark, any value currently given for these needs to be taken with a tablespoon... or more... of salt.

The Sun is a normal star and is in many respects typical, and there are billions of stars in the galaxy, including many billions of years older than Earth.

Actually the Sun is in the minority, most stars are red dwarfs. Anyway....

With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.

How did you compute that from the Drake equation? Where did you work out what the variables are?

Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.

How do you know that? How do you know that is practically possible even by a civilisation a million years ahead of our own? Interstellar travel is.... hard. Put mildly. The same challenges we know exist today for interstellar travel will exist for any advanced intelligence. Whether they are sensibly circumventible in principle is again, a matter of speculation.

According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, nor any signs of alien intelligence anywhere in the observable universe, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Don't know. If it exists I am doubtful we will find out about it anytime soon, due to the immense distances involved. But again, that is a matter of speculation.