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Humans are in God's image - yet gullible?

Jovian
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2/21/2016 11:18:57 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
It's in the Christian traditionh (and the rest of the Abrahamic too I guess) that humans are made in God's perfect image. However, I see many people here talking about humans as needing a religion for behaving. I.e, a religion is the buffer against people just behaving exactly how they want. Because otherwise, humans will be free to listen to whomever in order to have a set of rules for behaviour, or they wouldn't even have moral at all. Wouldn't this imply that humans are by nature that much gullible and bad?

How can people first say humans are in God's image, but then change themselves and say humans are just utterly stupid people who are gullible creatures, likewise empty machines free for anyone to program?
JJ50
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2/21/2016 11:27:07 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 11:18:57 AM, Jovian wrote:
It's in the Christian traditionh (and the rest of the Abrahamic too I guess) that humans are made in God's perfect image. However, I see many people here talking about humans as needing a religion for behaving. I.e, a religion is the buffer against people just behaving exactly how they want. Because otherwise, humans will be free to listen to whomever in order to have a set of rules for behaviour, or they wouldn't even have moral at all. Wouldn't this imply that humans are by nature that much gullible and bad?

How can people first say humans are in God's image, but then change themselves and say humans are just utterly stupid people who are gullible creatures, likewise empty machines free for anyone to program?

It is just another silly clich" some religious people come out with!
Dirty.Harry
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2/21/2016 2:31:36 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 11:18:57 AM, Jovian wrote:
It's in the Christian traditionh (and the rest of the Abrahamic too I guess) that humans are made in God's perfect image. However, I see many people here talking about humans as needing a religion for behaving. I.e, a religion is the buffer against people just behaving exactly how they want. Because otherwise, humans will be free to listen to whomever in order to have a set of rules for behaviour, or they wouldn't even have moral at all. Wouldn't this imply that humans are by nature that much gullible and bad?

How can people first say humans are in God's image, but then change themselves and say humans are just utterly stupid people who are gullible creatures, likewise empty machines free for anyone to program?

Genesis expresses God's intent - to reproduce his perfect character - that process is underway, don't assume the text means it was done in an instant in the past.
DanneJeRusse
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2/21/2016 3:10:49 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 2:31:36 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/21/2016 11:18:57 AM, Jovian wrote:
It's in the Christian traditionh (and the rest of the Abrahamic too I guess) that humans are made in God's perfect image. However, I see many people here talking about humans as needing a religion for behaving. I.e, a religion is the buffer against people just behaving exactly how they want. Because otherwise, humans will be free to listen to whomever in order to have a set of rules for behaviour, or they wouldn't even have moral at all. Wouldn't this imply that humans are by nature that much gullible and bad?

How can people first say humans are in God's image, but then change themselves and say humans are just utterly stupid people who are gullible creatures, likewise empty machines free for anyone to program?

Genesis expresses God's intent - to reproduce his perfect character - that process is underway, don't assume the text means it was done in an instant in the past.

Since God is an atheist, that would mean his intent was to create the perfect atheist, and that process is underway.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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2/21/2016 3:49:06 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 2:31:36 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/21/2016 11:18:57 AM, Jovian wrote:
It's in the Christian traditionh (and the rest of the Abrahamic too I guess) that humans are made in God's perfect image. However, I see many people here talking about humans as needing a religion for behaving. I.e, a religion is the buffer against people just behaving exactly how they want. Because otherwise, humans will be free to listen to whomever in order to have a set of rules for behaviour, or they wouldn't even have moral at all. Wouldn't this imply that humans are by nature that much gullible and bad?

How can people first say humans are in God's image, but then change themselves and say humans are just utterly stupid people who are gullible creatures, likewise empty machines free for anyone to program?

Genesis expresses God's intent - to reproduce his perfect character - that process is underway, don't assume the text means it was done in an instant in the past.
Genesis says that snakes talk.
Pass.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
Dirty.Harry
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2/21/2016 6:07:32 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 3:49:06 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/21/2016 2:31:36 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/21/2016 11:18:57 AM, Jovian wrote:
It's in the Christian traditionh (and the rest of the Abrahamic too I guess) that humans are made in God's perfect image. However, I see many people here talking about humans as needing a religion for behaving. I.e, a religion is the buffer against people just behaving exactly how they want. Because otherwise, humans will be free to listen to whomever in order to have a set of rules for behaviour, or they wouldn't even have moral at all. Wouldn't this imply that humans are by nature that much gullible and bad?

How can people first say humans are in God's image, but then change themselves and say humans are just utterly stupid people who are gullible creatures, likewise empty machines free for anyone to program?

Genesis expresses God's intent - to reproduce his perfect character - that process is underway, don't assume the text means it was done in an instant in the past.

Genesis says that snakes talk.
Pass.

It says no such thing actually, perhaps you should check facts before you commit your beliefs to a public forum?

This is all too common - criticism and rejection based on what one's heard rather than what one's actually taken the time to objectively research for oneself.

If critics of the Bible applied the same objective techniques that they demand of their opponents when lecturing us all about atheism then we'd possibly have less squabbling.

First the Hebrew (yes Genesis wasn't originally penned in Olde English - funny that eh) term translated to "serpent" is "נָחָשׁ" - pronounced "nachash" - this does not denote "snake".

The the Bible uses euphemisms is clear if one explores it even a little (particularly in the original languages) for example: John 1:29

The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Insisting John was describing a literal lamb (which you are free to do) is an option here of course but not the only option.

Selecting the option that most enables you to discredit the text indicates a motive not to seek after truth but to promote one's own agenda.

Harry.
DanneJeRusse
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2/21/2016 6:25:09 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 6:07:32 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/21/2016 3:49:06 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/21/2016 2:31:36 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/21/2016 11:18:57 AM, Jovian wrote:
It's in the Christian traditionh (and the rest of the Abrahamic too I guess) that humans are made in God's perfect image. However, I see many people here talking about humans as needing a religion for behaving. I.e, a religion is the buffer against people just behaving exactly how they want. Because otherwise, humans will be free to listen to whomever in order to have a set of rules for behaviour, or they wouldn't even have moral at all. Wouldn't this imply that humans are by nature that much gullible and bad?

How can people first say humans are in God's image, but then change themselves and say humans are just utterly stupid people who are gullible creatures, likewise empty machines free for anyone to program?

Genesis expresses God's intent - to reproduce his perfect character - that process is underway, don't assume the text means it was done in an instant in the past.

Genesis says that snakes talk.
Pass.

It says no such thing actually, perhaps you should check facts before you commit your beliefs to a public forum?

This is all too common - criticism and rejection based on what one's heard rather than what one's actually taken the time to objectively research for oneself.

If critics of the Bible applied the same objective techniques that they demand of their opponents when lecturing us all about atheism then we'd possibly have less squabbling.

First the Hebrew (yes Genesis wasn't originally penned in Olde English - funny that eh) term translated to "serpent" is "נָחָשׁ" - pronounced "nachash" - this does not denote "snake".

The the Bible uses euphemisms is clear if one explores it even a little (particularly in the original languages) for example: John 1:29

Can we then conclude the Bible is NOT the word of God?

The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Insisting John was describing a literal lamb (which you are free to do) is an option here of course but not the only option.

Selecting the option that most enables you to discredit the text indicates a motive not to seek after truth but to promote one's own agenda.

Harry.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
Dirty.Harry
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2/21/2016 6:44:28 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 6:25:09 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/21/2016 6:07:32 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/21/2016 3:49:06 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/21/2016 2:31:36 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/21/2016 11:18:57 AM, Jovian wrote:
It's in the Christian traditionh (and the rest of the Abrahamic too I guess) that humans are made in God's perfect image. However, I see many people here talking about humans as needing a religion for behaving. I.e, a religion is the buffer against people just behaving exactly how they want. Because otherwise, humans will be free to listen to whomever in order to have a set of rules for behaviour, or they wouldn't even have moral at all. Wouldn't this imply that humans are by nature that much gullible and bad?

How can people first say humans are in God's image, but then change themselves and say humans are just utterly stupid people who are gullible creatures, likewise empty machines free for anyone to program?

Genesis expresses God's intent - to reproduce his perfect character - that process is underway, don't assume the text means it was done in an instant in the past.

Genesis says that snakes talk.
Pass.

It says no such thing actually, perhaps you should check facts before you commit your beliefs to a public forum?

This is all too common - criticism and rejection based on what one's heard rather than what one's actually taken the time to objectively research for oneself.

If critics of the Bible applied the same objective techniques that they demand of their opponents when lecturing us all about atheism then we'd possibly have less squabbling.

First the Hebrew (yes Genesis wasn't originally penned in Olde English - funny that eh) term translated to "serpent" is "נָחָשׁ" - pronounced "nachash" - this does not denote "snake".

The the Bible uses euphemisms is clear if one explores it even a little (particularly in the original languages) for example: John 1:29

Can we then conclude the Bible is NOT the word of God?


Don't ask me, you decide for yourself.

The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Insisting John was describing a literal lamb (which you are free to do) is an option here of course but not the only option.

Selecting the option that most enables you to discredit the text indicates a motive not to seek after truth but to promote one's own agenda.

Harry.
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2/21/2016 6:46:18 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 2:31:36 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/21/2016 11:18:57 AM, Jovian wrote:
It's in the Christian traditionh (and the rest of the Abrahamic too I guess) that humans are made in God's perfect image. However, I see many people here talking about humans as needing a religion for behaving. I.e, a religion is the buffer against people just behaving exactly how they want. Because otherwise, humans will be free to listen to whomever in order to have a set of rules for behaviour, or they wouldn't even have moral at all. Wouldn't this imply that humans are by nature that much gullible and bad?

How can people first say humans are in God's image, but then change themselves and say humans are just utterly stupid people who are gullible creatures, likewise empty machines free for anyone to program?

Genesis expresses God's intent - to reproduce his perfect character - that process is underway, don't assume the text means it was done in an instant in the past.
Genesis says a serpent can and did talk.
hahaha
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
DanneJeRusse
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2/21/2016 7:11:23 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 6:44:28 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/21/2016 6:25:09 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/21/2016 6:07:32 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/21/2016 3:49:06 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 2/21/2016 2:31:36 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/21/2016 11:18:57 AM, Jovian wrote:
It's in the Christian traditionh (and the rest of the Abrahamic too I guess) that humans are made in God's perfect image. However, I see many people here talking about humans as needing a religion for behaving. I.e, a religion is the buffer against people just behaving exactly how they want. Because otherwise, humans will be free to listen to whomever in order to have a set of rules for behaviour, or they wouldn't even have moral at all. Wouldn't this imply that humans are by nature that much gullible and bad?

How can people first say humans are in God's image, but then change themselves and say humans are just utterly stupid people who are gullible creatures, likewise empty machines free for anyone to program?

Genesis expresses God's intent - to reproduce his perfect character - that process is underway, don't assume the text means it was done in an instant in the past.

Genesis says that snakes talk.
Pass.

It says no such thing actually, perhaps you should check facts before you commit your beliefs to a public forum?

This is all too common - criticism and rejection based on what one's heard rather than what one's actually taken the time to objectively research for oneself.

If critics of the Bible applied the same objective techniques that they demand of their opponents when lecturing us all about atheism then we'd possibly have less squabbling.

First the Hebrew (yes Genesis wasn't originally penned in Olde English - funny that eh) term translated to "serpent" is "נָחָשׁ" - pronounced "nachash" - this does not denote "snake".

The the Bible uses euphemisms is clear if one explores it even a little (particularly in the original languages) for example: John 1:29

Can we then conclude the Bible is NOT the word of God?


Don't ask me, you decide for yourself.

You made the claim, so obviously, you should know.

The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Insisting John was describing a literal lamb (which you are free to do) is an option here of course but not the only option.

Selecting the option that most enables you to discredit the text indicates a motive not to seek after truth but to promote one's own agenda.

Harry.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth