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2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM
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if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway
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2/23/2016 7:48:51 PM
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At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

Muslims pray towards an object with a rock that "fell from Heaven". Who fell from Heaven in to the Earth in the Bible? Satan.

In Isaiah 9:6 it tells us a child becomes a son, who is God.

If God wants to know us or empathise with us,how else should he go about it? If he wants to fairly judge us, how can he do it without having passed the test as one of us? He can't. If all you've done is sit in omnipotence over the Earth you're not qualified to judge mankind.

What part makes no sense? Can God not become a man? Is God limited in his abilities?
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2/23/2016 7:51:30 PM
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At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

Muslims believe Muhammed's words to be divine. How is it any different? Muslims bow to an image with pagan symbols on it. How is this not idolotry?
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2/23/2016 8:18:48 PM
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At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

You misunderstand the concept of divinity. The Hebrew, Greek, Latin and even modern day English define a god as anything or anyone that is attributed might or venerated. The Hebrew word el (god) comes from a root word meaning mighty.

In the Bible mortal men, such as Jesus, Moses, and the Judges of Israel (male and female) were all referred to as gods.

Also. The Greek word translated crucified doesn't necessarily mean hung upon a cross. It means fastened to something. Consider Prometheus, for example. Jesus didn't die on a cross, which is a Roman phallic symbol.
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2/23/2016 9:04:37 PM
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At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

How about we skip the "He is God" stuff and say that... He is the path to God, does that change your views at all?
Remember in Christianity it's more about application than theory or doctrine. When viewed in terms of application the dynamics change, for example...rather than getting hung up on whether Jesus is God or not, how about we apply what He taught?
Jesus said when you see the me you see the Father, so in essence it doesn't matter in terms of application, because the application is not debatable. Jesus says in one way or another that He is the way, the truth and the life, which means His teachings are the truth, the way and the life in God. Whether you embrace that Jesus is God or His teachings pave the way to God.... either way through application (and not doctrine) we get God.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

I'm getting the feeling you haven't been reading more of the Bible but listening to nonsense theories and doctrines, it sounds to me like you get most of your perceptions through atheists. Try actually reading the Gospels and epistles, then let me know what parts are baffling you.

Jesus was/did this...
Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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2/24/2016 1:49:58 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

This post right here demonstrates that you have no clue what we actually believe. If you really think that anything you said invalidates the Deity of Christ you have misunderstood our beliefs and is a good indication that you need to stop mindlessly spouting the things you get from Deedat as if you're actually (but not really) refuting our case.

Yes indeed Jesus did eat food, he did go to the bathroom, he was circumcised for one simple reason: he became the incarnate one (John 1:1, 1:14, 2 Corinthians 8:9, Philippians 2:5-11). As the incarnate one he would be subject to the things we are on a daily basis.

To make sense out of how the Bible portrays Jesus, you must read everything it says; not like some people do - pick and choose what they like and discard the rest.

Your objections are softballs against the Deity of Christ. Maybe once you get passed the Deedat stage of argumentation (which is pretty bad) then we could have a serious talk.
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2/24/2016 2:14:59 AM
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And as far as Jesus being put to death by the Jews (if by that you really think we Christians think men overpowered God)...

Jesus himself made it clear:

'No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father."'(John 10:18)

Man didn't overpower God - Jesus laid his life down for us because that was the main objective of his mission...to die for our sins (Mark 10:45, Matthew 20:28, John 1:29).
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2/24/2016 4:06:35 AM
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At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

Explain to me bowing in worship and prayer towards a rock.
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2/24/2016 4:35:02 AM
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At 2/23/2016 7:48:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

Muslims pray towards an object with a rock that "fell from Heaven". Who fell from Heaven in to the Earth in the Bible? Satan.

In Isaiah 9:6 it tells us a child becomes a son, who is God.

If God wants to know us or empathise with us,how else should he go about it? If he wants to fairly judge us, how can he do it without having passed the test as one of us? He can't. If all you've done is sit in omnipotence over the Earth you're not qualified to judge mankind.

So u say all the prophets before Jesus were failures? yeah God need to be come a man to judge u... what logic is that.


What part makes no sense? Can God not become a man? Is God limited in his abilities?

Yes God is limited in the sense he wont do irrational things. can God kill himself? or lie?
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2/24/2016 4:40:50 AM
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At 2/23/2016 8:18:48 PM, DavidHenson wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

You misunderstand the concept of divinity. The Hebrew, Greek, Latin and even modern day English define a god as anything or anyone that is attributed might or venerated. The Hebrew word el (god) comes from a root word meaning mighty.

In the Bible mortal men, such as Jesus, Moses, and the Judges of Israel (male and female) were all referred to as gods.

so they were humans not God. "god" is something else. i speak about God with capital G.

Also. The Greek word translated crucified doesn't necessarily mean hung upon a cross. It means fastened to something. Consider Prometheus, for example. Jesus didn't die on a cross, which is a Roman phallic symbol.

so r a muslim then? first time see somebody who isnt a muslim saying Jesus wasnt crucified.
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2/24/2016 4:43:56 AM
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At 2/24/2016 4:35:02 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:48:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

Muslims pray towards an object with a rock that "fell from Heaven". Who fell from Heaven in to the Earth in the Bible? Satan.

In Isaiah 9:6 it tells us a child becomes a son, who is God.

If God wants to know us or empathise with us,how else should he go about it? If he wants to fairly judge us, how can he do it without having passed the test as one of us? He can't. If all you've done is sit in omnipotence over the Earth you're not qualified to judge mankind.

So u say all the prophets before Jesus were failures? yeah God need to be come a man to judge u... what logic is that.


What part makes no sense? Can God not become a man? Is God limited in his abilities?

Yes God is limited in the sense he wont do irrational things. can God kill himself? or lie?

How can you judge someone when you've never been in their shoes?

You are still yet to answer why you bow to a cube with pagan symbols on it.
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2/24/2016 4:50:43 AM
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At 2/23/2016 9:04:37 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

How about we skip the "He is God" stuff and say that... He is the path to God, does that change your views at all?
Remember in Christianity it's more about application than theory or doctrine. When viewed in terms of application the dynamics change, for example...rather than getting hung up on whether Jesus is God or not, how about we apply what He taught?
Jesus said when you see the me you see the Father, so in essence it doesn't matter in terms of application, because the application is not debatable.

lol its not debatable? really? u have many divisions in christianity bcz everyone interpret differently and u say Jesus say it. did he? what modern scholarship says about it?

Jesus says in one way or another that He is the way, the truth and the life, which means His teachings are the truth, the way and the life in God. Whether you embrace that Jesus is God or His teachings pave the way to God.... either way through application (and not doctrine) we get God.

true every prophet was " is the way the truth and the life to God". Way doesnt mean the Goal/destination itself which is God.


the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway


I'm getting the feeling you haven't been reading more of the Bible but listening to nonsense theories and doctrines, it sounds to me like you get most of your perceptions through atheists. Try actually reading the Gospels and epistles, then let me know what parts are baffling you.

just mentioned what is my problem saying Jesus is God. he is human. God is God.


Jesus was/did this...
Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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2/24/2016 4:52:43 AM
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At 2/24/2016 4:43:56 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/24/2016 4:35:02 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:48:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

Muslims pray towards an object with a rock that "fell from Heaven". Who fell from Heaven in to the Earth in the Bible? Satan.

In Isaiah 9:6 it tells us a child becomes a son, who is God.

If God wants to know us or empathise with us,how else should he go about it? If he wants to fairly judge us, how can he do it without having passed the test as one of us? He can't. If all you've done is sit in omnipotence over the Earth you're not qualified to judge mankind.

So u say all the prophets before Jesus were failures? yeah God need to be come a man to judge u... what logic is that.


What part makes no sense? Can God not become a man? Is God limited in his abilities?

Yes God is limited in the sense he wont do irrational things. can God kill himself? or lie?

How can you judge someone when you've never been in their shoes?

You are still yet to answer why you bow to a cube with pagan symbols on it.

lol u questioning me that im "limiting" God but u say God cant judge ppl unless he becomes one of us.
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2/24/2016 4:54:01 AM
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At 2/24/2016 4:35:02 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:48:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

Muslims pray towards an object with a rock that "fell from Heaven". Who fell from Heaven in to the Earth in the Bible? Satan.

In Isaiah 9:6 it tells us a child becomes a son, who is God.

If God wants to know us or empathise with us,how else should he go about it? If he wants to fairly judge us, how can he do it without having passed the test as one of us? He can't. If all you've done is sit in omnipotence over the Earth you're not qualified to judge mankind.

So u say all the prophets before Jesus were failures? yeah God need to be come a man to judge u... what logic is that.


What part makes no sense? Can God not become a man? Is God limited in his abilities?

Yes God is limited in the sense he wont do irrational things. can God kill himself? or lie?

Your god can lie. Allah is the greatest of decievers. Heard of murana, kitman, taqiya? Of course you have.

God didn't die. A human body did. If God had died, Christ wouldn't have rison from the dead.
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2/24/2016 4:59:04 AM
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At 2/24/2016 4:52:43 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 2/24/2016 4:43:56 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/24/2016 4:35:02 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:48:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

Muslims pray towards an object with a rock that "fell from Heaven". Who fell from Heaven in to the Earth in the Bible? Satan.

In Isaiah 9:6 it tells us a child becomes a son, who is God.

If God wants to know us or empathise with us,how else should he go about it? If he wants to fairly judge us, how can he do it without having passed the test as one of us? He can't. If all you've done is sit in omnipotence over the Earth you're not qualified to judge mankind.

So u say all the prophets before Jesus were failures? yeah God need to be come a man to judge u... what logic is that.


What part makes no sense? Can God not become a man? Is God limited in his abilities?

Yes God is limited in the sense he wont do irrational things. can God kill himself? or lie?

How can you judge someone when you've never been in their shoes?

You are still yet to answer why you bow to a cube with pagan symbols on it.

lol u questioning me that im "limiting" God but u say God cant judge ppl unless he becomes one of us.

It has nothing to do with limiting God. The Bible tells us why he became flesh. To judge the dead in righteousness and fairness by equal weights and measures. He was "tried" and proven faultless, thus righteously able to judge humanity. If Christ never died, your sins are still on your head, not washed away, and you are unable to ever come into his presence or justify yourself. We were bought with a price.
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2/24/2016 5:00:31 AM
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At 2/24/2016 4:40:50 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
so they were humans not God. "god" is something else. i speak about God with capital G.

The capital G isn't relevant. What, for example, would you suggest the distinction would be? Consider Exodus 4:16: "And he must speak for you to the people; and it must occur that he will serve as a mouth to you, and you will serve as God to him."

The Creator, later known as Jehovah, existed before there were any other beings in existence, according to the Bible, so was Jehovah a God then? To whom would he have been God to? He was unknown to the people whom he would later establish himself as God, so how could he have been their God prior to that.

You are mistaking the meaning and application of the word as a name rather than a title. God is similar to the title Lord. Lord generally means someone who is granted authority over something. Landlord, for example.

Psalms 82:1, 6 / John 10:34, 35

Also. The Greek word translated crucified doesn't necessarily mean hung upon a cross. It means fastened to something. Consider Prometheus, for example. Jesus didn't die on a cross, which is a Roman phallic symbol.

so r a muslim then? first time see somebody who isnt a muslim saying Jesus wasnt crucified.

Well, in a sense he was crucified, because as I said the word, in the past, simply meant to be fastened to something. There were various forms of what we now know as a cross. X shaped, T shaped, t shaped, circular and a simple upright pole as the Hebrews used. There were also different words describing these tools. Some of them meant the same thing, but one of them which is applied in scripture only means an upright pole. So Jesus couldn't have been crucified on a t shaped cross.
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2/24/2016 5:01:25 AM
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At 2/24/2016 1:49:58 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

This post right here demonstrates that you have no clue what we actually believe. If you really think that anything you said invalidates the Deity of Christ you have misunderstood our beliefs and is a good indication that you need to stop mindlessly spouting the things you get from Deedat as if you're actually (but not really) refuting our case.

in what way i "misunderstood" your beliefs? u say he was God.


Yes indeed Jesus did eat food, he did go to the bathroom, he was circumcised for one simple reason: he became the incarnate one (John 1:1, 1:14, 2 Corinthians 8:9, Philippians 2:5-11). As the incarnate one he would be subject to the things we are on a daily basis.

To make sense out of how the Bible portrays Jesus, you must read everything it says; not like some people do - pick and choose what they like and discard the rest.

not that i picking and choosing... irrational to say some man was God Almighty on human level.


Your objections are softballs against the Deity of Christ. Maybe once you get passed the Deedat stage of argumentation (which is pretty bad) then we could have a serious talk.

its not about Deedat. its rational to believe someone was God? if a hindu tell u his cow is a God would u give him any chance to think "well he could be right""?
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2/24/2016 5:09:33 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 5:01:25 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
not that i picking and choosing... irrational to say some man was God Almighty on human level.

That is correct. There you make the distinction of God Almighty. In the Bible only Jehovah is referred to as God Almighty. Jesus is referred to only as a mighty god.

its not about Deedat. its rational to believe someone was God? if a hindu tell u his cow is a God would u give him any chance to think "well he could be right""?

He would be right. A god doesn't have to be supernatural, a god can be anything.
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2/24/2016 5:18:10 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 5:01:25 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 2/24/2016 1:49:58 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

This post right here demonstrates that you have no clue what we actually believe. If you really think that anything you said invalidates the Deity of Christ you have misunderstood our beliefs and is a good indication that you need to stop mindlessly spouting the things you get from Deedat as if you're actually (but not really) refuting our case.

in what way i "misunderstood" your beliefs? u say he was God.


Yes indeed Jesus did eat food, he did go to the bathroom, he was circumcised for one simple reason: he became the incarnate one (John 1:1, 1:14, 2 Corinthians 8:9, Philippians 2:5-11). As the incarnate one he would be subject to the things we are on a daily basis.

To make sense out of how the Bible portrays Jesus, you must read everything it says; not like some people do - pick and choose what they like and discard the rest.

not that i picking and choosing... irrational to say some man was God Almighty on human level.


Your objections are softballs against the Deity of Christ. Maybe once you get passed the Deedat stage of argumentation (which is pretty bad) then we could have a serious talk.

its not about Deedat. its rational to believe someone was God? if a hindu tell u his cow is a God would u give him any chance to think "well he could be right""?

Why is it irrational for God to become like us in order to relate to us or have a relationship with us?

Dodging Allah as a full blown liar I see. Your god resembles the Bible's Satan. He murders, destroys, lies, and enslaves. Just like Satan. Because Allah is Satan or Ishtar the moon goddess of the crescent moon and star. You pick.
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2/24/2016 7:55:38 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 5:01:25 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 2/24/2016 1:49:58 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

This post right here demonstrates that you have no clue what we actually believe. If you really think that anything you said invalidates the Deity of Christ you have misunderstood our beliefs and is a good indication that you need to stop mindlessly spouting the things you get from Deedat as if you're actually (but not really) refuting our case.

in what way i "misunderstood" your beliefs? u say he was God.

That wasn't my point. My point was you were pointing out the human characteristics of Christ as the incarnate one - which no Christian denies. We aren't docetics (those who deny that Jesus was a human but affirmed his Deity). Nor are we Arians (those who deny the Deity of Christ).

The standard Christian position according to the Bible is simple...Jesus at a point in time became the incarnate one (John 1:14, 2 Corinthians 8:9, Philippians 2:5-8).

To truly understand the nature of Christ's incarnation, read Philippians 2:5-11 where Paul basically tells us the purpose of his incarnation and why he was subject to what we humans are subject to.

Yes indeed Jesus did eat food, he did go to the bathroom, he was circumcised for one simple reason: he became the incarnate one (John 1:1, 1:14, 2 Corinthians 8:9, Philippians 2:5-11). As the incarnate one he would be subject to the things we are on a daily basis.

To make sense out of how the Bible portrays Jesus, you must read everything it says; not like some people do - pick and choose what they like and discard the rest.

not that i picking and choosing... irrational to say some man was God Almighty on human level.

This is again not representative of the standard Christian belief. We don't just say some old Joe down the street with no significance was God. We are saying Jesus was God. We haven't turned a mere man into God, but rather God himself took on human form. Jesus made some very radical claims about himself. Perhaps not as explicit as some demand but he nonetheless implicitly implied he was God the way he acted, talked, and responded to Jewish authorities. In vindication of those claims, he was crucified, buried, and rose bodily from the dead 3 days later. God is not going to raise a heretic from the dead, he definitely wouldn't raise Jesus from the dead if his claims were false. The fact that he rose from the dead AFTER making those radical claims was the biggest confirmation that what he said about himself was true.

Your objections are softballs against the Deity of Christ. Maybe once you get passed the Deedat stage of argumentation (which is pretty bad) then we could have a serious talk.

its not about Deedat. its rational to believe someone was God? if a hindu tell u his cow is a God would u give him any chance to think "well he could be right""?

This is a straw-man argument and irrelevant to my argument. What's the difference between Jesus and some old cow you might ask?

Like I said above, Jesus made radical claims about himself. Jesus said and did things that no mere prophet could say and do. Over and over again it is proven that the things Jesus does in all the Gospels is inconsistent with him being a mere prophet.

Now anyone could claim the things Jesus did, it doesn't make it right. But my point is in vindication of his claims, the Father raised him from the dead.

Cows don't claim the things that Jesus claimed, let alone rise from the dead after being killed.

Jesus made radical claims about himself, and rose from the dead after he died; conclusion, we have God's stamp of approval that everything Jesus claimed and said about himself is true and we are to listen to what he says.

No religious preacher in history ever made the sorts of claims Jesus made.

Prophets EVERYTIME they spoke accredited their words to God. In the Old Testament, when prophets issued commands they say 'Thus says the LORD God'. Jesus on the other hand whenever he gave commandments, he said something to the effect of 'You have heard it was said....but I TELL YOU'. No mere prophet can speak like this.

Buddha never made any Divine claims about himself. He basically encouraged people to seek truth while Jesus himself said 'I am the Truth'.

Muhammad never made any radical claims about himself. He basically said 'I am only a warner' and 'I am an apostle of God' while Jesus claimed that at the end of times, people's eternal fate rests on the way they respond to him and his claims. Jesus also claimed that he had the authority to give people eternal life. No mere prophet who is God-fearing could say these things.

Jesus' radical claims + Resurrection = Jesus' claims about himself vindicated

No human who has ever claimed to be Divine like Jesus ever rose from the dead - that is why I know they were lying.
Jesus made the claim and proved it by rising from the dead.
That is why I put my full trust and confidence in him.

Hope that answers your questions.
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2/24/2016 9:39:21 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 9:04:37 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

How about we skip the "He is God" stuff and say that... He is the path to God, does that change your views at all?
Remember in Christianity it's more about application than theory or doctrine. When viewed in terms of application the dynamics change, for example...rather than getting hung up on whether Jesus is God or not, how about we apply what He taught?
Jesus said when you see the me you see the Father, so in essence it doesn't matter in terms of application, because the application is not debatable. Jesus says in one way or another that He is the way, the truth and the life, which means His teachings are the truth, the way and the life in God. Whether you embrace that Jesus is God or His teachings pave the way to God.... either way through application (and not doctrine) we get God.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

I'm getting the feeling you haven't been reading more of the Bible but listening to nonsense theories and doctrines, it sounds to me like you get most of your perceptions through atheists. Try actually reading the Gospels and epistles, then let me know what parts are baffling you.

Jesus was/did this...
Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

And after all this exaltation the Jehovah's Witnesses tell us Jesus was archangel Michael. jesus was just another angel.
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2/24/2016 11:23:54 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 4:50:43 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 2/23/2016 9:04:37 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

How about we skip the "He is God" stuff and say that... He is the path to God, does that change your views at all?
Remember in Christianity it's more about application than theory or doctrine. When viewed in terms of application the dynamics change, for example...rather than getting hung up on whether Jesus is God or not, how about we apply what He taught?
Jesus said when you see the me you see the Father, so in essence it doesn't matter in terms of application, because the application is not debatable.

lol its not debatable? really? u have many divisions in christianity bcz everyone interpret differently and u say Jesus say it. did he? what modern scholarship says about it?

Maybe you don't know what application means, I said application not doctrine I was trying to give you a different outlook because not all of us are hung up on these confusions and misrepresentations. You need to get doctrines out of your brain, I waste too much time elaborating for you to not understand simple things.
Application is - the action of putting something into operation. the act of putting to a special use or purpose.
Doctrines are debatable sure but the principles and commands are not, they can be only applied one way.
The point of Christianity is not doctrines, but application. My advice to you would be to read the Gospels and epistles on your own without preconceived ideas, also recognizing the difference between teachings, illustrations, cultural ideas, commands, principles and opinions. We apply the parts that are applicable while doctrinal dispute being less a priority.

There's way too much emphasis on denominations and doctrines and not enough on the practicality in the teachings of Jesus. The focus was never about doctrines or religious sect, but about the quality and relation between the individual and the Spirit of God. What beautiful and unique thing and it is very unfortunate discussing Christianity has become a trip the the circus.


Jesus says in one way or another that He is the way, the truth and the life, which means His teachings are the truth, the way and the life in God. Whether you embrace that Jesus is God or His teachings pave the way to God.... either way through application (and not doctrine) we get God.

true every prophet was " is the way the truth and the life to God". Way doesnt mean the Goal/destination itself which is God.

I'm not supporting doctrines Poo, that is the point I'm making. If you want to know my positions on any doctrines you first have to ask me lol.... you should read that again, I said the teachings pave the way to God. I don't look at the scriptures in terms of doctrines rather application. So those doctrines do not have any impact on my spiritual life.


the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway


I'm getting the feeling you haven't been reading more of the Bible but listening to nonsense theories and doctrines, it sounds to me like you get most of your perceptions through atheists. Try actually reading the Gospels and epistles, then let me know what parts are baffling you.

just mentioned what is my problem saying Jesus is God. he is human. God is God.

So you're not confused about scripture but doctrines Churches have? clear that up please...

If it's the Bible that is baffling you then show me the passage, the chapter and vs. Until you do that simple thing we have nothing to discuss. Show me the passage that is baffling you, not the doctrine.


Jesus was/did this...
Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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2/24/2016 11:34:52 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 9:39:21 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/23/2016 9:04:37 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

How about we skip the "He is God" stuff and say that... He is the path to God, does that change your views at all?
Remember in Christianity it's more about application than theory or doctrine. When viewed in terms of application the dynamics change, for example...rather than getting hung up on whether Jesus is God or not, how about we apply what He taught?
Jesus said when you see the me you see the Father, so in essence it doesn't matter in terms of application, because the application is not debatable. Jesus says in one way or another that He is the way, the truth and the life, which means His teachings are the truth, the way and the life in God. Whether you embrace that Jesus is God or His teachings pave the way to God.... either way through application (and not doctrine) we get God.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

I'm getting the feeling you haven't been reading more of the Bible but listening to nonsense theories and doctrines, it sounds to me like you get most of your perceptions through atheists. Try actually reading the Gospels and epistles, then let me know what parts are baffling you.

Jesus was/did this...
Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

And after all this exaltation the Jehovah's Witnesses tell us Jesus was archangel Michael. jesus was just another angel.

Lol, I don't know what to tell you about that one, I haven't even had any JW's come to my door yet..... whoops...I don't want to jinx myself.
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2/25/2016 12:58:17 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

God had covenants (agreements) with the men that knew Him such as Adam Noah Abraham the children of Israel via the law by the hand of Moses, so on and so forth, and they could not by virtue of their human nature uphold their end of the bargain. Therefore the Lord that is the Word of God that these men had a agreement with and in. The Word of God became flesh and fulfilled the man"s end of the deal for their sake. He came into the world like any other son of man and left the world in the most humblest of fashions that the sons of men leave this world being the least of this world.

He didn"t have to for sure, Abraham met the Lord in the flesh when the Lord walked by Abraham"s dwelling on His way to examen the conditions in Sodom and Gomorrah. Jesus Christ is for the sake of those who would be with Lord their God, which is available now, to all until further notice. As in the Kingdom of God is at hand. (Meaning within one"s reach).
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2/25/2016 3:44:45 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

1) Jesus isn't GOD as in our Heavenly Father, he is the son of GOD.

2) Jesus had to go through all of that and more because his entire mission was to redeem us from our sins. How could he do that without experiencing every single aspect of life? Humiliation, anger, jealous, desperation, and much more. He had to experience all of that so when we experience it he can relate to us and help us through it.
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2/25/2016 7:49:07 AM
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1) Jesus isn't GOD as in our Heavenly Father, he is the son of GOD.

2) Jesus had to go through all of that and more because his entire mission was to redeem us from our sins. How could he do that without experiencing every single aspect of life? Humiliation, anger, jealous, desperation, and much more. He had to experience all of that so when we experience it he can relate to us and help us through it.

Jesus " about Himself

"" I came from God!"" (John 8:42)
"" He sent Me!" (John 8:42)
"" I have come down from Heaven, not to do My own will, but the Will of Him Who sent Me!" (John 6:38)
"" As the Father knows Me, I know the Father!" (John 10:15)
"I and the Father are one!" (John 10:30)
"The Father is in Me, and I am in the Father!" (John 10:38)
"" I declare to the world what I have heard from Him!" (John 8:26)
"I declare what I have seen in the Father"s presence!"" (John 8:38)
"The One who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone; for I always do what is pleasing to Him!" (John 8:29)
"I can do nothing on My own!" (John 5:30)
"" I love the Father!"" (John 14:31)
"Righteous Father!" I have known You!"" (John 17:25)
"I came to bring Fire to the Earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!" (Luke 12:49)
"I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me should not remain in the darkness!" (John 12:46)
"I am the Light of the world. Whoever follows Me will never walk in darkness!"" (John 8:12)
"I am the gate; whoever enters by Me will be saved!"" (John 10:9)
"I came that (you) may have life and have it abundantly!" (John 10:10)
"I am the good Shepherd. The good Shepherd lays down His life for the sheep!" (John 10:11)
"" I lay down My life for the sheep!" (John 10:15)
"My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow Me!" (John 10:27)
"" Learn from Me" and you will find rest!"" (Matt 11:29)
"I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life" If you have known Me, you would have known My Father also!"" (John 14:6-7)
"" I know from where I came and where I go"" (John 8:14)
"Where I go, you cannot come (now)" (John 8:21).
"For this reason the Father loves Me because I lay down My life in order to take it up again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have power to take it up again. I have received this command from My Father." (John 10:17-18)
"" Abide in My love. If you keep My commands, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father"s commands and abide in His love!" (John 15:9-10)
"Whoever is near Me is near the Fire, and whoever is far from Me is far from the Kingdom (of God)!" (The Gospel of Thomas, 82)
"Whoever loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me!"" (Matt 10:37)
"I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now!" (John 16:12)
"I go to the Father, because the Father is greater than I!" (John 14:28)

compilation source:
http://jesusteaching.swami-center.org...
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2/25/2016 8:33:59 AM
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At 2/23/2016 7:48:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Is God limited in his abilities?
According to godbotherers most definitely. He must abide by the human construct called logic.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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2/25/2016 1:13:33 PM
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At 2/24/2016 11:34:52 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 2/24/2016 9:39:21 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/23/2016 9:04:37 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

How about we skip the "He is God" stuff and say that... He is the path to God, does that change your views at all?
Remember in Christianity it's more about application than theory or doctrine. When viewed in terms of application the dynamics change, for example...rather than getting hung up on whether Jesus is God or not, how about we apply what He taught?
Jesus said when you see the me you see the Father, so in essence it doesn't matter in terms of application, because the application is not debatable. Jesus says in one way or another that He is the way, the truth and the life, which means His teachings are the truth, the way and the life in God. Whether you embrace that Jesus is God or His teachings pave the way to God.... either way through application (and not doctrine) we get God.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

I'm getting the feeling you haven't been reading more of the Bible but listening to nonsense theories and doctrines, it sounds to me like you get most of your perceptions through atheists. Try actually reading the Gospels and epistles, then let me know what parts are baffling you.

Jesus was/did this...
Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

And after all this exaltation the Jehovah's Witnesses tell us Jesus was archangel Michael. jesus was just another angel.

Lol, I don't know what to tell you about that one, I haven't even had any JW's come to my door yet..... whoops...I don't want to jinx myself.

Maybe you have been blacklisted. Why would they want to waste their time on trash?
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2/25/2016 1:31:44 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/25/2016 1:13:33 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/24/2016 11:34:52 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 2/24/2016 9:39:21 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/23/2016 9:04:37 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:35:17 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
if u say Jesus was God he had human qualities right? he used to eat food. so he defecated like all of us? not coming to insult but its really strange to say some guy was God. irrational.

How about we skip the "He is God" stuff and say that... He is the path to God, does that change your views at all?
Remember in Christianity it's more about application than theory or doctrine. When viewed in terms of application the dynamics change, for example...rather than getting hung up on whether Jesus is God or not, how about we apply what He taught?
Jesus said when you see the me you see the Father, so in essence it doesn't matter in terms of application, because the application is not debatable. Jesus says in one way or another that He is the way, the truth and the life, which means His teachings are the truth, the way and the life in God. Whether you embrace that Jesus is God or His teachings pave the way to God.... either way through application (and not doctrine) we get God.

the more u read the bible the more u get baffled.. so God was born out of a woman (dont need to say the..) circumcised on the 8 day according to the bible (really?! somebody hold his tool and cut it off? to God?), ate + defecated. lived as a baby sucking milk from his mother;s breasts? and lived 30+ and in the end some jews crucified him naked? God being naked on the cross... as a man we can excuse it but as a God Almight? how can u believe such a thing anyway

I'm getting the feeling you haven't been reading more of the Bible but listening to nonsense theories and doctrines, it sounds to me like you get most of your perceptions through atheists. Try actually reading the Gospels and epistles, then let me know what parts are baffling you.

Jesus was/did this...
Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

And after all this exaltation the Jehovah's Witnesses tell us Jesus was archangel Michael. jesus was just another angel.

Lol, I don't know what to tell you about that one, I haven't even had any JW's come to my door yet..... whoops...I don't want to jinx myself.

Maybe you have been blacklisted. Why would they want to waste their time on trash?

Because one mans trash is another mans treasure. Kinda how I feel about your spirituality, but I'm sure your mommy treasures you lol.