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Jesus was a terrorist/freedom fighter?

smelisox
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3/6/2016 6:07:39 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
To clarify (and avoid semantics):

terrorism |G2;terəG6;rizəm|
noun
the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

terrorist |G2;terərist|
noun
a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

I have read a few passages from the Bible, and soon plan to read the whole thing. From the passages I've read, I've come to think of the tale of Jesus as one of a man leading the Jews in a rebellion against corrupt Jews and the opressive Romans, not at all one of the son of God. I put this question forward: Was Jesus a terrorist? (You can also call him a freedom fighter if you want, if what I've found is true I side with Jesus on rebelling against the Romans! But I'm still an Atheist. Ironically, I'd respect Jesus a lot more if he wasn't the son of God).

First of all, he was not peaceful. He did not want peace, nor was he meant to even enforce it. I don't understand people who say Jesus is "peace-loving":

"'Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth: it is not peace I have come to bring, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34 NJB)

Also, he clearly was not peaceful and was seen as a legitimate military threat to the Romans. They did not send 10 strong soldiers to escort Jesus out for a trial, they sent a small army of a "cohort", which is 500 men. They expected Jesus and his fellows to attack them.

Let's delve a bit more into the political climate of where the Jews lived at the time. There seem to have been quite wealthy Jews, who did not mind Roman occupation, and poor, starving, heavily taxed and opressed Jews. The latter are the ones who followed Jesus.

(I find it important and relevant now to note: Jesus was an Arabic Jew. Whoever his father was, and it was likely Joseph, through his mother he was an arab and Jewish. This means he was dark-skinned, ranging from at least olive-skinned to possibly black. Please stop portraying him as white.)

Now, a few revolutions occured at different points around Jesus' lifetime, mainly with people who thought the High Priest of the Jews, Herod, was corrupt and a Greco-Roman-lover (he was anointed by the Romans). One man who rebelled when Jesus was maybe about six was Judas (not to be confused with the other Judas a few years ago, who rebelled at Herod's death. Confusing stuff.) The Jews thought Judas was the messiah, and were proven wrong when God did not come to their aid: the Romans crushed them in Battle near Galilee. A young Jesus would probably have observed the battle and subsequent crucifixion from afar. A Jew, he would be surprised Yaweh himself did not intervene to help the Jews in the fight.

Galilee was not a very important place to the Romans, and Pontius Pilate had a tiny garrison there and barely visited it. Jesus, a full Jew, would probably have LOATHED the Romans and romanised Jews and wanted to wage war with them. This final quotes seems to suggest that:

"Many of the Jews who had come to visit Mary and had seen what he did believed in him but some of them went to tell the Pharisees what Jesus had done. Then the chief priests and Pharisees called a meeting. Here is this man working all these signs they said and what action are we taking? If we let him go on in this way everybody will believe in him and the Romans will come and destroy our Holy place and our nation..."
-John
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3/6/2016 6:52:52 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Was Jesus a terrorist?

Was He a terrorist as per the definition of a terrorist? The answer is no. Was He an all-loving individual just like the way most Christians portray Him as? The answer is also no? So what was He? The answer is that, He was a Messenger of God who was given Revelation in the midst of a Jewish population who were adamantly waiting their Beloved Messiah to come. So it would be understandable that Jesus had an offensive stance on things given the situation He was in and the Message He was given to share.
I know you're an atheist but imagine you're a Jew in a time like 20 AD and for your whole life, the Rabbi in the synagogue tells you and everyone else that you should be ready for the Coming of the Messiah and to prepare yourself and so on. The next afternoon, while walking around the village, a Man walks up to you and says that He is the Messiah that you and everybody else has been waiting for. So you've been a Jew your whole life in 20 AD, your family is Jewish, your children are Jewish, everything you see, do, touch, smell, hear, is Jewish. How would you react? Note, that the fact that we still have Jews in the world today is a testament to the ignorance of the Jews in a time like 20 AD.

I can also provide you with an abundance of verses that show a Jesus on the offence.
HardRockHallelujah
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3/6/2016 11:37:00 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/6/2016 6:07:39 PM, smelisox wrote:
To clarify (and avoid semantics):

terrorism |G2;terəG6;rizəm|
noun
the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

terrorist |G2;terərist|
noun
a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.


I have read a few passages from the Bible, and soon plan to read the whole thing. From the passages I've read, I've come to think of the tale of Jesus as one of a man leading the Jews in a rebellion against corrupt Jews and the opressive Romans, not at all one of the son of God. I put this question forward: Was Jesus a terrorist? (You can also call him a freedom fighter if you want, if what I've found is true I side with Jesus on rebelling against the Romans! But I'm still an Atheist. Ironically, I'd respect Jesus a lot more if he wasn't the son of God).

First of all, he was not peaceful. He did not want peace, nor was he meant to even enforce it. I don't understand people who say Jesus is "peace-loving":

"'Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth: it is not peace I have come to bring, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34 NJB)

Also, he clearly was not peaceful and was seen as a legitimate military threat to the Romans. They did not send 10 strong soldiers to escort Jesus out for a trial, they sent a small army of a "cohort", which is 500 men. They expected Jesus and his fellows to attack them.

Let's delve a bit more into the political climate of where the Jews lived at the time. There seem to have been quite wealthy Jews, who did not mind Roman occupation, and poor, starving, heavily taxed and opressed Jews. The latter are the ones who followed Jesus.

(I find it important and relevant now to note: Jesus was an Arabic Jew. Whoever his father was, and it was likely Joseph, through his mother he was an arab and Jewish. This means he was dark-skinned, ranging from at least olive-skinned to possibly black. Please stop portraying him as white.)

Now, a few revolutions occured at different points around Jesus' lifetime, mainly with people who thought the High Priest of the Jews, Herod, was corrupt and a Greco-Roman-lover (he was anointed by the Romans). One man who rebelled when Jesus was maybe about six was Judas (not to be confused with the other Judas a few years ago, who rebelled at Herod's death. Confusing stuff.) The Jews thought Judas was the messiah, and were proven wrong when God did not come to their aid: the Romans crushed them in Battle near Galilee. A young Jesus would probably have observed the battle and subsequent crucifixion from afar. A Jew, he would be surprised Yaweh himself did not intervene to help the Jews in the fight.

Galilee was not a very important place to the Romans, and Pontius Pilate had a tiny garrison there and barely visited it. Jesus, a full Jew, would probably have LOATHED the Romans and romanised Jews and wanted to wage war with them. This final quotes seems to suggest that:

"Many of the Jews who had come to visit Mary and had seen what he did believed in him but some of them went to tell the Pharisees what Jesus had done. Then the chief priests and Pharisees called a meeting. Here is this man working all these signs they said and what action are we taking? If we let him go on in this way everybody will believe in him and the Romans will come and destroy our Holy place and our nation..."
-John

The problem with your approach is you have taken Jesus' words in Matthew 10:34 out of context. When Jesus says he has come to bring a sword he isn't talking about a literal sword where he is slaying and slashing and cutting people's heads off like ISIS does. How do I know this? Well just read the verses that come after...

"For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it." (Matthew 10:35-39).

So what is Jesus' point? His point is that following Jesus is going to cause division among people. The message of salvation by Jesus is going to be offensive to disbelievers. Say for example you convert to Christianity but your family aren't Christians. They are probably going to take offense at you, maybe even feel like you have betrayed them.
Jesus is also making it clear that if you love your family more than Christ, you aren't worthy to be his follower.

That was Jesus' point in Matthew 10:34, he was speaking metaphorically, not literally.